[00:08] <acylus> Hello
[00:11] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys how can i remove an application from xfce-appfinder
[00:11] <Psil0Cybin> it sems to have added a command as an application like xscreensaver-command -activate
[00:12] <Unit193> Version I have you can Clear Custom Command History  in preferences.
[00:15] <Psil0Cybin> oh
[00:15] <Psil0Cybin> the version i have 12.04 all i can do is select an application
[00:15] <Psil0Cybin> no preferences
[00:17] <xubuntu173> Does xubuntu 13.10 use lightdm for the display manager? not xdm right?
[00:18] <Unit193> Right, lightdm.
[00:19] <Psil0Cybin> how do i open up xfce4-appfinder preferences?
[00:19] <Psil0Cybin> in order to remove an application from the list
[00:21] <xubuntu173> How do I reset lightdm to the defaults? sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm? I did that and still can't undo a resolution change I made in the settings editor. I just have a black screen.
[00:29] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i tried adding a lock screen button to the main menu setting in xfce4, and it added that "command" to the xfce4-appfinder list, i was wondering if there was a w auy to remove it manually in 12.04 i have deleted it in the main menu setting but it is still persistant within xfce4-appfinder
[00:29] <Psil0Cybin> i cannot locate the .desktop file
[00:31] <recon_lap1> xubuntu173: the info might be in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[00:33] <xubuntu527> what is the default display mgr under xubuntu?
[00:36] <xubuntu527> Im trying to get my display / driver back to the default.  Im not sure if the display mgr is the right place to start or xorg.config or what
[00:36] <recon_lap1> xubuntu173: have you tried to boot into a recovery session?
[00:37] <xubuntu527> yes, Iam in one now.  my normal screen looks like black and white tesselation.
[00:38] <xubuntu527> I can only get 640x480 in the recovery mode
[00:38] <xubuntu527> my monitor supports 1360x768
[00:40] <xubuntu527> I tried to run the nvidia drivers that come with the software installer and that did not work out well so I then changed back to the opensource one and it doesnt appear to have worked.
[00:41] <xubuntu527> Is there a way to reconfigure to the original settings?
[00:42] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: maybe sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but thats fomr 11.10
[00:42] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: what version you running?
[00:42] <xubuntu527> I have 13.10 I think.
[00:43] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: not sure I should be making suggestions though, I could make this much worse :)
[00:44] <xubuntu527> I have saucy, so 13.10.  I appreciate that.
[00:46] <xubuntu527> how do I tell what xwindow system is running?
[00:46] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: check if the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file exists on your system
[00:47] <xubuntu527> yes it did, but I have deleted it about 20 mins ago.
[00:48] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: did you run dpkg-reconfigure
[00:49] <xubuntu527> it says to specify a package to reconfigure
[00:51] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:51] <xubuntu527> ok, i just ran that and it just returns to cursor
[00:51] <xubuntu527> do I need to be in normal login session for that t work?
[00:52] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: you'll need to restart x, probably reboot
[00:52] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: as you're in recovery mode
[00:52] <xubuntu527> ok, I cant see my screen in a normal session its all messed up. is there a way to open a terminal window
[00:53] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: the F keys open TTY windows, but they will probably be messed up to.
[00:53] <xubuntu527> a key sequence to open a term windows
[00:54] <xubuntu527> function keys?
[00:54] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: you probably want to boot into a text mode and start x manually
[00:54] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i tried adding a lock screen button to the main menu setting in xfce4, and it added that "command" to the xfce4-appfinder list, i was wondering if there was a w auy to remove it manually in 12.04 i have deleted it in the main menu setting but it is still persistant within xfce4-appfinder
[00:55] <xubuntu527> how do i boot into text mode
[00:55] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: been a long time sine I had to do any of this, so very fuzzy on the details
[00:56] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: what exactly did you change to cause the problem? just the screen res?
[00:57] <xubuntu527> I went into settings mgr, and then additional drivers, changed it from opensource to nvidia driver and installed it, then rebooted.  ugh.
[00:58] <xubuntu527> so Im trying to get it back to what I had which worked but not perfect...
[01:02] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: ctrl - alt - f1 to get terminal when booting
[01:02] <installhang> duh hello
[01:02] <installhang>  
[01:02] <installhang> My Xubuntu install hangs
[01:03] <installhang> wtf
[01:03] <installhang> is anyone even nhere
[01:03] <junka> i am
[01:04] <installhang> can you help me
[01:04] <xubuntu527> ok recon im going to try that and see if I can get it working again. thanks.
[01:04] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: you'll not have IRC , come back if you get stuck
[01:05] <xubuntu527> ok, thanks.
[01:05] <junka> installhang, tells when your system angs
[01:05] <junka> hangs
[01:05] <junka> us
[01:05] <recon_lap1> xubuntu527: and check  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
[01:05] <installhang> im on xubuntu right now
[01:06] <installhang> its stuck on a step
[01:06] <installhang> i clicked the irc link in the setup window
[01:06] <junka> at which step
[01:06] <installhang> configuring bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:07] <installhang> broadcom wireless?
[01:07] <installhang> i have a broadcom card
[01:07] <recon_lap1> o joy, broadcom
[01:07] <installhang> yea its a pain
[01:08] <recon_lap1> installhang: you using a wired connection atm?
[01:08] <installhang> yea
[01:08] <installhang> the last step it was on was "xubuntu ubiquity: DKMS: install completed.
[01:08] <installhang> although nothing has happened
[01:08] <recon_lap1> installhang: can you skip the broadcom setup and try fix it later
[01:09] <recon_lap1> installhang: it should skip it eventually on it's own
[01:09] <installhang> i wish but the freakin skip button is greyed out
[01:11] <recon_lap1> installhang: ctr-c might skip it, might stop the install too :)
[01:11] <recon_lap1> installhang: maybe try esc and del first
[01:11] <installhang> thats exactly what i did
[01:11] <installhang> a minute ago
[01:11] <installhang> i did ctrl+c
[01:11] <installhang> and now it wont do anything
[01:11] <recon_lap1> anything happen?
[01:11] <installhang> when i type
[01:11] <installhang> nope it just says ^C
[01:12] <installhang> and i cant type anything in it now
[01:13] <recon_lap1> installhang: all I can suggest is reboot and see how far it got, and maybe start again
[01:13] <installhang> here is a pic
[01:13] <Psil0Cybin> Anyone know how to remove custom entries from xfce4-appfinder?? It seemed to have added applications I cannot delete!! I am looking for the .desktop files but they are everywhere!
[01:13] <Psil0Cybin> 4How can i manually edit what xfce4-appfinder displays
[01:13] <installhang> http://i.imgur.com/7k7Gnqz.jpg
[01:14] <installhang> Sorry for crap pic
[01:14] <installhang> anyway im gonna restart
[01:14] <installhang> hopefully it didn't ruin my windows partition
[01:14] <installhang> because i always have bad luck with this crap
[01:14] <installhang> anyway br
[01:14] <installhang> b
[01:19] <installhang> recon
[01:19] <installhang> Im back
[01:19] <installhang> but im not in the install
[01:19] <installhang> i got back in and went to "try" and everything is safe, so do you need any logs?
[01:21] <recon_lap1> installhang: how do you mean everything is safe? you mean it booted from the hdd into xubuntu?
[01:21] <installhang> no. my windows partitions are safe
[01:21] <installhang> i booted back into my usb
[01:21] <installhang> theres that uncompleted install sitting here
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> hmm i cannot
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> figure out how to remove this stupid application from the appfinder
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> list
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> what on earth!! why does xubuntu hide so many .desktop files god knows where!
[01:22] <recon_lap1> installhang: I'd just install again from the usb and over write the last one, you could black list the bcom driver on the install usb or just wait till it gives up trying to install it.
[01:24] <installhang> how do i get there again
[01:24] <recon_lap1> lol, people seem to leave just as i have suggestions for them
[01:24] <installhang> to blacklist the driver
[01:24] <installhang> lol
[01:25] <installhang> mdmcaf you're in colorado
[01:26] <recon_lap1> installhang: have a read of this http://www.winko-erades.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42:getting-broadcom-sta-to-work-on-ubuntu-studio-1304-or-xubuntu&catid=6:ubuntu&Itemid=7
[01:27] <recon_lap1> installhang: I had forgotten about modprobe :)
[01:28] <recon_lap1> installhang: you should be able to find the same files on the usb stick
[01:28] <installhang> i have bcm4318
[01:28] <installhang> according to lspci
[01:29] <installhang> hey recon can i drop down in xubuntu
[01:29] <installhang> like in mdm
[01:29] <installhang> ctrl+alt+f1 i think
[01:29] <installhang> oh cool
[01:29] <installhang> i guess you can
[01:29] <installhang> man xubuntu is so cool
[01:30] <installhang> just got into it
[01:30] <recon_lap1> installhang: well, try figure out what driver is was trying to load and black list it on the usb stick
[01:31] <installhang> wtf
[01:31] <recon_lap1> installhang: then try install again, my best guess anyway
[01:31] <installhang> it aint here
[01:31] <installhang> in modprobe.d
[01:31] <installhang> welp imma install
[01:31] <installhang> OH RECON
[01:32] <installhang> could it be cuz i checked download updates?
[01:32] <installhang> it says it will download wifi drivers
[01:33] <installhang> recon_lap1
[01:33] <recon_lap1> installhang: I'm still reading about bcom drivers :)
[01:34] <installhang> oh lol
[01:34] <recon_lap1> installhang: still, I'd try just installing again and just waiting till it times out on the bcom driver, might take a while but it should just skip it after a while
[01:35] <recon_lap1> installhang: I think ctr-c just stopped the install last time
[01:36] <installhang> yea probably
[01:37] <installhang> hey recon another question, what bootloader does xubuntu use? just grub like ubuntu?
[01:37] <recon_lap1> installhang: before you go, book mark this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160343
[01:38] <installhang> dont worry i can do install at same time
[01:38] <installhang> i just chose time zone
[01:38] <recon_lap1> installhang: think it's still grub
[01:38] <installhang> k
[01:38] <installhang> install just started
[01:39] <recon_lap1> installhang: you know the next LTS is out on the 21st
[01:40] <installhang> wtf is lts
[01:40] <moetunes> !lts
[01:40] <recon_lap1> installhang: sort of the reason I'm hanging out in here atm, what to get an idea what to expect when I jump to the next long term support version
[01:41] <installhang> hm
[01:41] <recon_lap1> installhang: I stick to LTS versions so I only have to upgrade every 2 years
[01:41] <installhang> i see
[01:41] <installhang> recon do you program?
[01:42] <recon_lap1> installhang: I normally do a full reinstall with every LTS to clean out the last 2 years of crud :)
[01:42] <installhang> lol
[01:42] <junka> :D
[01:43] <junka> fail
[01:43] <installhang> :OOOOo
[01:43] <installhang> back to bcmwl
[01:43] <installhang> omfg
[01:43] <installhang> are
[01:43] <installhang> you
[01:43] <recon_lap1> installhang: I program a bit
[01:43] <Artemis3> i have been upgrading since 2007
[01:43] <installhang> freaking kidding me
[01:43] <installhang> welp
[01:43] <Artemis3> hehehe
[01:43] <installhang> it freaking hung again
[01:44] <junka> Artemis3, every six months?
[01:44] <recon_lap1> installhang: how do you mean hung, if it is just taking a long time let it
[01:44] <Artemis3> but this version might prove a challenge
[01:44] <Artemis3> i stopped at 12.04 junka
[01:44] <installhang> DKMS install completed
[01:44] <installhang> i let it sit for like an hour
[01:44] <installhang> it just hangs on this retarded  step
[01:45] <installhang> i have an idea
[01:45] <recon_lap1> what is the name of the driver it's trying to install?
[01:45] <installhang> ill just unplug my network card for this step, i dont even use the wireless
[01:45] <installhang> bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:45] <installhang> oh
[01:46] <junka> ah
[01:46] <installhang> bcmwl-6.30.223.141-bdcom DKMS files...
[01:46] <installhang> here is it:
[01:46] <installhang> it is*
[01:47] <installhang> "Setting up bcmwl-kernel-source (6.30.223.141-bdcom-@ubuntu1) ..."
[01:47] <recon_lap1> installhang: restart the install and do not select download updates
[01:47] <installhang> k
[01:47] <installhang> restarting now
[01:48] <recon_lap1> Artemis3: you a unity refugee?
[01:49] <Artemis3> in versio 10.10 or 11.04, i removed ubuntu-desktop and put xubuntu-desktop, slowly getting rid of gnome related packages
[01:49] <Artemis3> about the time when they forced Unity yes
[01:49] <junka> xfce is dead :(
[01:50] <Artemis3> well as long as it works
[01:50] <recon_lap1> junka: how so?
[01:50] <junka> no release for over 2 years
[01:50] <Artemis3> 4.12 will come out one of these days
[01:50] <installhang_> im back
[01:50] <Artemis3> See e17 :)
[01:51] <junka> e17 has moved to 18..
[01:51] <Artemis3> i mean the time it took e17 to release
[01:52] <installhang_> i cant wait for xubuntu
[01:52] <Artemis3> they are already working with e19 for that matter
[01:52] <recon_lap1> well, it's the incessant need people have to mess with my desktop the keep making me change os, so maybe a dead desktop is what I'm after :)
[01:52] <installhang_> i havent quit
[01:52] <Artemis3> yes xfce is getting very stable
[01:52] <installhang_> that was my old self
[01:53] <recon_lap1> and well, windows just sucked all on it own
[01:53] <Artemis3> no need for fancy changes
[01:53] <Artemis3> i think they were just adding gtk3 support
[01:54] <installhang_> recon_lap1: do you know what tomorrow is?
[01:54] <recon_lap1> still, looking forward to 14.04 :)
[01:54] <recon_lap1> Saturday ?
[01:54] <installhang_> oh lol nevermind
[01:55] <installhang_> diff area
[01:55] <recon_lap1> installhang_: you in auz?
[01:56] <installhang_> no
[01:56] <installhang_> US
[01:56] <installhang_> of A
[01:56] <installhang_> should i just skip language packs
[01:57] <recon_lap1> not so far behind then :)
[01:57] <installhang_> if i only speak ingles
[01:57] <installhang_> lol
[01:57] <installhang_> but tomorrow is friday
[01:57] <installhang_> for me
[01:57] <installhang_> so i happy
[01:57] <Artemis3> you are going to disciminate your spanish users?
[01:58] <installhang_> lol
[01:58] <installhang_> face > desk
[01:58] <installhang_> hanged
[01:58] <installhang_> now time to hang myself
[01:58] <installhang_> k
[01:58] <installhang_> jk
[01:58] <recon_lap1> installhang_: I have no idea about language packs , did it hang again?
[01:59] <installhang_> yea
[01:59] <Artemis3> how so?
[01:59] <installhang_> Artemis3: Just says DKMS:install completed
[01:59] <installhang_> then never ever continues
[01:59] <installhang_> BUT
[01:59] <Artemis3> hmmm
[01:59] <recon_lap1> installhang_: press esc
[01:59] <Artemis3> did you wait long enough?
[01:59] <installhang_> didnt do anything recon
[02:00] <installhang_> yea i waited 3 centuries
[02:00] <installhang_> (2 hours)
[02:00] <installhang_> nothing
[02:00] <Artemis3> not that long lol
[02:00] <recon_lap1> installhang_: just git it a couple of min
[02:00] <Artemis3> thats 13.10?
[02:00] <installhang_> yiss
[02:00] <installhang_> i legally torrented it btw
[02:00] <installhang_> could that be bad?
[02:01] <Artemis3> you can't illegally torrent free software
[02:01] <recon_lap1> Artemis3: it's a bcom bug, but it should get passed it if not downloading drivers from what i read
[02:01] <installhang_> Artemis3: yea thats what i meant
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> Hey can someone help me with a small problem, i was trying to edit the Main Menu in order to add a new icon/application to just display my xscreensaver/lockscreen, so once I added the command xscreensaver-command -activate, it added the buton to the menu, but now after I removed it, I noticed it had added the Application to xfce4-appfinder, I know xfce4-appfinder uses .desktops in order to display applications, where can I find this deskto
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> p file
[02:01] <installhang_> whoa
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> because it it is a tad frustrating, I want to remove this fake application
[02:02] <recon_lap1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182821
[02:02] <Artemis3> installhang_, is it possible to try with 12.04?
[02:02] <installhang_> ugh probably not
[02:02] <Artemis3> installhang_, or perhaps, the 14.04 beta?
[02:02] <installhang_> i dont wanna download it
[02:02] <installhang_> it gon take forever
[02:02] <Artemis3> installhang_, there is a cheat to that :)
[02:02] <installhang_> ?
[02:03] <Artemis3> installhang_, all you need is some smal usb thumbdrive around and a 20mb download
[02:03] <installhang_> wait
[02:03] <Artemis3> installhang_, magic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:03] <installhang_> I have supa good idea
[02:03] <installhang_> that will vaporize problem in first place
[02:03] <installhang_> so
[02:04] <installhang_> I'll take out my network card
[02:04] <installhang_> install xubuntu
[02:04] <installhang_> then plug back in
[02:04] <Artemis3> which nic?
[02:04] <installhang_> (i use wired connection)
[02:04] <installhang_> what do you mean
[02:04] <Artemis3> what this is a destkop?
[02:04] <Artemis3> desktop?
[02:04] <installhang_> yea
[02:04] <Artemis3> ok remove it...
[02:04] <installhang_> lol
[02:05] <installhang_> brb then
[02:05] <Psil0Cybin> hmmm I know they are in /usr/share/applications
[02:05] <Psil0Cybin> but i cannot find the de.sktop file i need
[02:12] <installhang> recon_lap1 and Artemis3 im back
[02:12] <Artemis3> so installed?
[02:13] <installhang> no im running live
[02:13] <installhang> but installing
[02:13] <installhang> so i can talk
[02:13] <installhang> and install at same time
[02:13] <Artemis3> install quick, by not clicking download updates hehe
[02:13] <installhang> yea
[02:13] <installhang> anway my side panel is sitting open
[02:14] <Artemis3> then reboot do upgrades
[02:14] <Artemis3> then put the evil thing again
[02:14] <installhang> lol
[02:14] <installhang> ive had so many problems with that stupid card
[02:14] <installhang> on linux mint
[02:14] <installhang> and ubuntu
[02:14] <installhang> and arch
[02:15] <installhang> Artemis3: you know what's unique about my computer?
[02:16] <Artemis3> well then replace it
[02:16] <installhang> Well I dont really use it anymore
[02:16] <Artemis3> or leave it out
[02:16] <installhang> cuz of my wired connection, its a backup in case my booster fails
[02:17] <installhang> Artemis I fixed my graphics card by baking it in the oven
[02:19] <installhang> Art
[02:19] <installhang> em
[02:19] <installhang> is
[02:19] <installhang> 3
[02:19] <installhang> Artemis3: have you ever used a lathe?
[02:20] <Artemis3> i don't really like the sound of that
[02:20] <Kekai> I used to have a keyboard shortcut for my volume
[02:21] <Kekai> is there a way to get it back
[02:21] <installhang> recon_lap1 Artemis3: It stopped hanging!!!
[02:21] <Kekai> i would press FN+ Left/right arrow
[02:22] <installhang> Kekai: It spontaneously stopped working?
[02:22] <Kekai> shortly after installing Ubuntu-desktop and then purging it
[02:22] <Kekai> Via the Pure Xubuntu Site
[02:23] <installhang> Hm
[02:23] <Kekai> The brightest shortcut still works
[02:23] <Kekai> FN+ Up/Doan
[02:23] <Kekai> *down
[02:23] <recon_lap1> installhang: it stuck again?
[02:24] <recon_lap1> Kekai: FN + Up/Down changes my volume :)
[02:24] <Kekai> Thats brightness for me
[02:24] <Kekai> Lenovo
[02:25] <Kekai> I think it maybe a software issue with pulse
[02:27] <installgood> Artemis3: its installed! yay
[02:30] <recon_lap1> \o/
[02:32] <installgood> now i need to setup
[02:32] <installgood> i have 2 monitors how to i make the top bar go all the way across?]
[02:32] <installgood> oh
[02:32] <installgood> nevermind
[02:33] <installgood> oh
[02:34] <installgood> how do i
[02:34] <Kekai> how do i fix this?
[02:34] <installgood> make the bottom panel show up on both monitors
[02:34] <installgood> oh
[02:35] <recon_lap1> installgood: multi monitors , you know how to start with the good stuff :)
[02:35] <installgood> Kekai: When you do the volume key combination it simply doesnt work
[02:35] <Kekai> No it doesnt
[02:35] <installgood> recon_lap1: lol :D
[02:36] <installgood> recon_lap1: Also rocking a mechanical keyboard! :D
[02:36] <recon_lap1> lol, FN R/L changes brightness for me , but I vaguely remember setting them up about 2 years ago
[02:38] <recon_lap1> installgood: try xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of LVDS1 , or something similar depending on your monitors
[02:39] <installgood> wtf
[02:39] <installgood> sound not working
[02:39] <installgood> ugh
[02:40] <installgood> wait
[02:40] <installgood> it works
[02:40] <installgood> but indicator in panel
[02:40] <installgood> shows 3 dashes
[02:41] <recon_lap1> Kekai: what version you using?
[02:41] <Kekai> 13.10
[02:42] <CHENGZE> Hi, I have a laptop, it has a built-in wireless card and a USB wireless card, can I use them both at the same time, one for internal network and the other one for external network??
[02:44] <recon_lap1> Kekai: do you have gnome-settings-daemon  installed ?
[02:45] <Kekai> idk
[02:45] <Kekai> how do I check
[02:45] <recon_lap1> Kekai: apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon
[02:45] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: you should be able to.
[02:46] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: probably require a bit of work on you network setting though
[02:47] <recon_lap1> installgood: that means it's muted
[02:47] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: you planning on using that machine as a bridge/router?
[02:48] <installgood> recon_lap1: its not i can control sound and listen to stuff but the stupid panel indicator is just "---"
[02:48] <CHENGZE> no, just use one for external, one for company
[02:48] <CHENGZE> personal use
[02:49] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: does you work have an IT department?
[02:50] <installgood> recon_lap1: well i gotta bounce see ya recon
[02:50] <recon_lap1> installgood: o/ good luck, and hope xubuntu works out for you
[02:51] <CHENGZE> no, they all use Windows, only I use linux(ubuntu)
[02:52] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: well, not sure really, you could just disable auto connect on both cards and pick the one you want to use
[02:52] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: the USB might be a little tricky
[02:52] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: why the two different cards, one should be able to handle both networks
[02:53] <Kekai> I got it working
[02:53] <Kekai> I purged Pulse Audio
[02:53] <Kekai> THen reinstalled and reboot
[02:54] <recon_lap1> was about to ask how are you going to listen to music :) but good stuff.
[02:54] <Kekai> it works better now actually where it does it on the first tap and not blow my ear drums out
[02:54] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: I can use each one of them, but only one at the same time, I have the switch the connection manually, so I want to know how to enable both connections at the same time
[02:55] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I think you have to set some routes in you ipchains file then
[02:55] <Kekai> recon_lap1: I would die without music
[02:56] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: it's probably a bit complicated if your not familiar with setting up routers
[02:57] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: I googled, but the posts were pretty old, so I ask here for help.
[02:58] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: it's networking, little has changed since the 70's other than ipv6 :) still complicated though
[02:59] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: and what you trying to do is just weird :)
[02:59] <CHENGZE> not that old, just about 5 years ago, and the file mentioned in the post I found  did not exist.
[02:59] <recon_lap1> you got a link
[03:02] <CHENGZE> it's written in Chinese, http://www.codesky.net/article/200908/175499.html
[03:06] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I actually understand that  , geek speek lol
[03:07] <CHENGZE> yeah, the file /etc/iptables.up.rules does not exist
[03:09] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: yep, you setup the routes in your iptables and then export them to the /etc/iptables.up.rules so they can be reloaded next time you network comes up
[03:10] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I dont understand the chinese bits, maybe he explains it in those bits
[03:12] <recon_lap1> let me look to see if i can find the command
[03:13] <CHENGZE> I translate that for you: 1. set the default gateway for one card such as external network, not set for another wireless
[03:13] <CHENGZE> card
[03:14] <CHENGZE> 2. this step is probably not necessary for ubuntu users
[03:18] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I'm still not sure what exactly your try to do though, it makes no sense to me to have two cards on two different networks on one computer that is not a bridge.
[03:20] <recon_lap1> are you trying to bypass your companies proxy server?
[03:22] <CHENGZE> No, the company support external network, such as you want to google or something, and is has a internal internal network for internal communications or sharing files in the server
[03:23] <CHENGZE> Company doesn't block a site
[03:24] <recon_lap1> cause I have a feeling that guide will set your computer up as a bridge between both networks and possibly land you in trouble. I'm not very skilled with setting up routing tables
[03:26] <recon_lap1> so, if you set that up, some one on the internal internal network could probably open web pages through your computer
[03:27] <recon_lap1> probably not what you are after
[03:28] <holstein> CHENGZE: how will you tell the applications which NIC to use?
[03:28] <CHENGZE> I don't know, it seems that the topic of that guide is talking about is  what I want, but I'm not family with the script
[03:29] <holstein> you'll need to specify.. i would just do that specification when i need one or the other, by connecting to the one i need at the time
[03:30] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I think I know what you want to do, just not sure that you got the right guide.
[03:31] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: you want one network interface to only use the internel network, and the other to use the outside network, but not to bridge between the two.
[03:31] <holstein> and, to tell applications which to use
[03:31] <CHENGZE> BTW: I can enable both connections at the same time in Windows
[03:31] <holstein> you dont want the web browser using the internal.. but, you'll want a filemanager not using the outside
[03:32] <holstein> unless you do. then, you'll have to specify.. which, gets, basically, back where you are now. having to specify which network you want to be on
[03:32] <recon_lap1> haa, windows :) the business OS !!
[03:32] <holstein> CHENGZE: they are both enabled right now in linux
[03:33] <holstein> CHENGZE: the question is, connecting.. which can be done.. but, what about routing? how does windows handle that? can you learn something from the way they are doing it? and apply?
[03:34] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: I'm thinking you really should talk to you IT dept regarding this.
[03:34] <holstein> yeah, they can put what you need access to out on the internet, and lock it down
[03:35] <recon_lap1> They must have a reason to have a internal network
[03:35] <CHENGZE> holstein: if I don't plugin the the USB wifi card, only one connection, once plugined, both connections will be enabled automatically, I even don't need to config anything
[03:36] <holstein> CHENGZE: ok.. so, both connect in windows, automactically.. one to one access point, and the other to a different one.. how about routing? are you prompted when you open the web browser as to which connection to use?
[03:36] <CHENGZE> holstein: no prompted
[03:36] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: we don't have an IT dept,
[03:37] <holstein> CHENGZE: ok. how do you tell the applications what nic to use?
[03:37] <CHENGZE> no tell
[03:37] <holstein> CHENGZE: how does it know, friend?
[03:37] <recon_lap1> holstein: I would think you could route everything using the destination ip address
[03:38] <holstein> CHENGZE: if i open a web browser, and search google.com, and it goes to the internal network connection, google is not there
[03:38] <holstein> CHENGZE: so, it tries both? and just goes with whichever works? or is there a configuration from IT?
[03:38] <CHENGZE> maybe the computer was configured before it was given to me.
[03:38] <holstein> CHENGZE: thats *very* important to know
[03:40] <recon_lap1> knowing windows it just went with whatever worked :)
[03:41] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: as i said , networking is complicated.
[03:41] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: agreed
[03:42] <holstein> well, especially if a team of folks who built the networks pre-configured the machine.. and you are trying to basically do that same job on your own, without knowing what that job was
[03:42] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: and if you got two networks you company is probably trying to keep the internal one secure by having two separate networks.
[03:43] <holstein> it could be that they dont let folks join that one
[03:43] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: yeah, secure reson
[03:43] <holstein> you'll need to ask IT and get more information from them
[03:44] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: and if you configure your two network cards wrong you could open a big hole to your secure network
[03:44] <holstein> they likely just wouldnt allow the connection if it could be broken
[03:45] <CHENGZE> so, what info do I need, after I got the info, what configuration do I need?
[03:45] <CHENGZE> static, domain or something else?
[03:45] <holstein> any number of simple configurations on either network could keep you from connecting a new machine..
[03:45] <holstein> CHENGZE: i would have to have that info to say
[03:46] <holstein> CHENGZE: they may say "you connnect with what we give you, and thats all"
[03:46] <glitchd> hello all
[03:46] <CHENGZE> holstein: that would be easy if I use windows :)
[03:46] <holstein> CHENGZE: sure.. but, this is not about OS's.. its about what they give you
[03:47] <glitchd> running xubuntu 13.10, wondering what the best option for mounting iso's
[03:47] <holstein> glitchd: they should just show in the filemanager..
[03:47] <glitchd> dont want to do it thru terminal each time
[03:48] <glitchd> holstein, they do, however i have no way to interact with them unless i use the command line
[03:48] <glitchd> holstein, i.e. i cant mount them thru the right click menu or anything,
[03:48] <holstein> !info furiusisomount
[03:48] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: the problem is that you probably should not trust us with such information :)
[03:48] <holstein> glitchd: http://askubuntu.com/questions/164227/how-to-mount-an-iso-file
[03:51] <CHENGZE> recon_lap1: thanks anyway
[03:51] <CHENGZE> :)
[03:53] <recon_lap1> CHENGZE: Just pointing out some stuff you might not be aware of. But you dont want to be the cause of your companies networks getting hacked I'm sure.
[03:53] <holstein> i doubt you can. its likely not joinable.. if you dont know if they configured that windows box for you, then, they probably did.. and locked it down
[03:54] <recon_lap1> holstein: I would not be to sure of that.
[03:54] <holstein> you'll have to ask, otherwise, we are speculating.
[03:55] <holstein> recon_lap1: im not sure.. but, its all speculation, til the IT department is contacted
[03:55] <holstein> i say, if you can connect and *can* cause a security problem, you should report that.. but, its likely the other way around, since, you are not able to connect
[03:56] <recon_lap1> holstein: the two network card soultion to security seems like a crackpot idea to me to start with
[03:57] <holstein> recon_lap1: agreed.. but, im not even convinced its a security step, or setup that way to begin with...
[04:09] <recon_lap1> o/
[04:10] <Kekai> what are the specs on Xubuntu 14.04 so far?
[04:10] <cfhowlett> Kekai until release, discussion and support = #ubuntu+1
[04:11] <Kekai> I was just asking because I have low ram on 13.10
[04:11] <Kekai> 13.10 runs like magic
[04:12] <cfhowlett> Kekai seriously doubt the ram requirements will change much but you might consider lubuntu as it is optimized for older/lower spec hardware
[04:13] <Kekai> I tried it, its okay and a good second option, but I been using Xubuntu (Fork of it called voyger) for years on my Laptop.
[04:13] <Kekai> I dont think I have the capacity to learn a 5th OS
[04:15] <Kekai> last I checked Xubuntu 13.10 only needed less than 512mb of ram
[04:15] <Kekai> I can upgrade to 2GB if needed
[04:15] <cfhowlett> Kekai expect the same for 14.04 but upgrading ram is almost always worth it!
[04:16] <Kekai> thi shas 1.5GB in it as is
[04:16] <Kekai> but liits to 2GB
[04:16] <Kekai> *limits
[04:17] <Kekai> initial 1GB hardwired into motherboard and a 512mb ram expansion
[04:18] <cfhowlett> Kekai sounds like you've got a working solution so stick with it.  consider that both 12.04 and 14.04 are long term support (5 years)!
[04:18] <Kekai> no
[04:18] <Kekai> Xubuntu LTS OSes are 3 only
[04:18] <cfhowlett> Kekai d'oh!
[04:18] <Kekai> and will only be supported till 2015
[04:18] <cfhowlett> right, right
[04:18] <Kekai> 14.04 is 2017
[04:19] <Kekai> Once I get 14.04 Im just gonna stay there
[04:19] <Kekai> in 3 years Ill have a 12GB ram 4TB HDD PC
[04:19] <cfhowlett> Kekai I only run LTS on my laptop = way fewer headaches
[05:19] <delt> Hello
[05:19] <delt> where is .xprofile started from?
[05:27] <delt> also what's the difference between .xinitrc and .xprofile ?
[05:28] <NobodyInPerson> Hey everyone! Where does Thunar save its custom actions? I would like to package my own ones to share...
[05:56] <xubuntu561> I have just installed XUBUNTU 14.04, how to install eclipse Kepler and add an entry in the menu launcher? -Thanks
[05:57] <`Fibz> xubuntu561,  /join #ubuntu+1
[05:59] <baizon> xubuntu561: http://askubuntu.com/questions/337281/installing-eclipse-kepler-and-java-jdk
[06:02] <xubuntu561> Thanks, I have to follow the same lines as we do with ubuntu . I will try thanks, bye
[08:55] <xubuntu020> hi boys
[08:55] <xubuntu020> good morning
[08:56] <xubuntu020> i have one problem
[08:56] <xubuntu020> and have one question....
[08:57] <xubuntu020> is possible to recover root password from shadow and passwd file?
[08:57] <bazhang> there's no root password enabled by default ; use sudo
[08:59] <xubuntu020> yes i use sudo command but i can't remember the password root
[09:00] <bazhang> there is none enabled by default. did you set one?
[09:00] <xubuntu020> this is a pc of my society
[09:01] <xubuntu020> my command
[09:01] <xubuntu020> su
[09:01] <xubuntu020> sudo is not accept
[09:02] <xubuntu020> usr@usrpc:~$ su Password:  su: Authentication failure usr@usrpc:~$
[09:04] <koegs> please use "sudo -i" and then enter the password of the user
[09:10] <TheSheep> xubuntu020: you cannot recover the password, but you can change it
[13:31] <Kekai> huh weird, my sound indicator is missing
[13:31] <Kekai> anyway to get it back?
[13:39] <GridCube> Kekai, 14.04 beta2?
[13:39] <Kekai> 13.10
[13:39] <GridCube> mmm
[13:40] <GridCube> Kekai, you updated recently anyway?
[13:40] <Kekai> I wanted to give Ubuntu another chance, so I installed via Terminal. Found it to be crappy. Purged it via the pure xbuntu site
[13:40] <Kekai> my sound messed up
[13:40] <Kekai> I reinstalled pulse audio
[13:40] <Kekai> and now the indicator is gon
[13:40] <GridCube> mmm, add the plugins indicator addon to the panel
[13:42] <Kekai> I add the indicator and it shows up as a wifi indicator
[13:42] <GridCube> you might be affected by the plugin indicator's bug aswell then
[13:43] <GridCube> i did not knew it affected 13.10
[13:43] <GridCube> (though it might be something else)
[13:44] <GridCube> Kekai, see if this helps? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009967.html
[13:44] <GridCube> though i really don't know if its the same issue
[13:45] <Kekai> It happened after reinstaling Pulse Audio
[14:39] <xubuntu514> hey!
[14:40] <xubuntu514> Anyone could help me?
[14:43] <cfhowlett> !ask|xubuntu514
[15:36] <Kekai> Still no luck trying to get my sound indicator back
[15:50] <Kekai> http://askubuntu.com/questions/443328/how-do-i-get-my-sound-indicator-back
[15:50] <Kekai> can someone help me?
[15:51] <baizon> Kekai: which version of xubuntz?
[15:52] <Kekai> 13.10
[15:52] <Kekai> as stated int he link
[15:52] <Kekai> I explain everything that happened
[15:52] <Kekai> including version number and system setup
[15:54] <baizon> Kekai: have you tried this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html
[15:59] <Kekai> it shows a black terminal
[16:05] <Artemis3> baizon, a simple update cures that bug
[16:05] <baizon> Artemis3: indeed
[16:06] <baizon> Kekai: have you tried resetting the panel to default?
[16:10] <Kekai> tried
[16:57] <Kekai> i reset my panels
[16:57] <Kekai> and that doesnt help
[17:05] <Kekai> not a big deal
[17:05] <Kekai> I have the button controls for now
[17:24] <nonuby> can anyone with a relatively fresh install of xubuntu 14.04 beta provide me with a pastebin of pstree, I've played with a number of window/desktop managers and I suspect I have a lot of baggage from unity/gnome even after going back to xubuntu-desktop
[17:25] <cfhowlett> nonuby 14.04 is in #ubuntu+1 until it's actually released
[17:25] <nonuby> ok thanks
[17:26] <Kekai> So I dont have pulse audios Sound indicator
[17:26] <Kekai> but I installed xcfe-mixer
[17:27] <Kekai> I have A sound indicator
[17:27] <Kekai> but not as many features, but I dont care about controlling my apps because I go to them anyways
[17:28] <Kekai> is this a good indicator to use or do I need the default one
[17:31] <koegs> xfce4-mixer is good enough for volume-control
[17:52] <xubuntu186> hi I stuck at installing xubuntu ... "Restoring previously inatlled package"
[17:52] <xubuntu186> do u hve any idea on that
[17:53] <xubuntu186> ?
[17:53] <GridCube> xubuntu186, how far this has been going?
[17:53] <GridCube> and what medium you used to do the install?
[17:53] <xubuntu186> I am installing using usb boot
[17:54] <xubuntu186> I think more than 80% intallation is completed
[17:55] <GridCube> i would leave it to complete if it where me
[17:55] <xubuntu186> this is the message i got while expending it
[17:55] <GridCube> it can be downloading things from the internet in thebackground
[17:55] <xubuntu186> Failed to load module "Overlay-scrollbar"
[17:56] <xubuntu186> Failed to load module"gall"
[17:56] <donc3> Hi! after to do an upgrade the wifi indicator doesn't appear, and in the settings of wifi it says that I don't have any saved netwrok
[17:56] <donc3> But I have internet connection
[17:56] <donc3> could someone help me??
[17:57] <xubuntu186> it is stuck here from last 2 hours
[17:58] <skribblezatcha> donc, go to settings manager and then go to session and startup. check to see in the application startup tab if network is ticked. if not, then tick it..and see if that helps.
[17:59] <xubuntu186> help needed here ... shall i restart my instalation or is there any way to ignore this error and continue
[17:59] <xubuntu186> ??
[18:00] <donc3> skirbblezatcha yes, it is ticked
[18:03] <skribblezatcha> ok, donc3, you said that after updates, do me a favor and see if you can restart normally please. i had that same issue, and couldnt mount drives or restart normally after updates. i reinstalled a daily build this morning. its what i had to do..
[18:03] <skribblezatcha> if you have the same issue, you may need to fresh install.
[18:06] <donc3> no, I don't have this issue
[18:06] <donc3> I can reboot normally
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> ok good donc, then thats a good thing. now in that same section where we were before in settings manager, is the indicator application ticked donc?
[18:15] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[18:18] <donc3> yes! it is!!
[18:18] <donc3> skribblezatcha
[18:28] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[18:29] <mzr> Hi, I'm trying to make a live cd persistent by using a usb...and skribblezatcha  df -h isn't finding it
[18:29] <mzr> (no clue how your name ended up in there, sorry)
[18:29] <skribblezatcha> did you try doing it with unetbootin mzr?
[18:29] <mzr> no I hadn't
[18:29] <skribblezatcha> its all good, no worries. it happens.:)
[18:30] <skribblezatcha> thats could be an option mzr. it has persistence.
[18:30] <skribblezatcha> or the ability to create a bootable usb stick with persistence.
[18:30] <mzr> so unetbootin, okay, is that win only?
[18:31] <skribblezatcha> no, you can use that with both win and linux mzr. are you going to be using it from a live session or windows?
[18:31] <skribblezatcha> if so let me get you a link to the version that you want, so that you are able to choose the drives. the newer versions dont allow that.
[18:32] <mzr> live session
[18:32] <mzr> and how big a drive do I need?
[18:32] <skribblezatcha> ok cool donc3. i wonder if you remove the indicator plugin from the panel and add it back if that will help?
[18:32] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, let me get you that link real quick.
[18:32] <mzr> thank you
[18:32] <skribblezatcha> i dont know mzr, not sure.
[18:32] <skribblezatcha> yw.
[18:33] <donc3> skribblezatcha this it doesn't works neither
[18:34] <skribblezatcha> http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/494/  grab the linux version mzr, now to run it mzr, install unetbootin from the repo first so that all deps are installed and then run the one that you are going to download ok?
[18:34] <skribblezatcha> sudo apt-get install unetbootin in terminal mzr.
[18:34] <mzr> quick question - would this work - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/creating-an-xubuntu-live-usb-from-cd/ ?
[18:35] <skribblezatcha> bummer donc3. i dont know then. i know that there is a network plugin that you can add to the panel that will atleast show that you are connected..for a temp fix. then hope for an update to fix that.
[18:37] <skribblezatcha> i dont know about with persistence mzr.
[18:37] <mzr> check step 5
[18:40] <skribblezatcha> hmm, well thats cool. it appears that it may, i have never done it that way though so i cant vouch for it. if you want to try it go for it. if you have the time, try them out and see which one works for you, and which is easiest to get it done with.
[18:42] <mzr> kk, and of course this version doesn't have that :/ maybe because i went for straight xu
[18:44] <skribblezatcha> well then go with unetbootin and see if that helps you out man. i dont know if it will work but i do know that unetbootin allows for persistence. i have never made a persistent usb stick before.
[18:45] <mzr> skribblezatcha: I dit the apt-get, what comes after that
[18:48] <skribblezatcha> unetbootin
[18:49] <mzr> *facepalm*
[18:49]  * skribblezatcha bails on dude.*
[18:49] <mzr> thanks for the help
[18:54] <RFleming> Greetings!
[18:54] <RFleming> I'm new to XFCE, and need a smidge of help.
[18:54] <RFleming> for some reason the sound notification icon has disappeared
[18:54] <RFleming> the rest of the notification icons are showing in the panel, just not sound.
[18:54] <RFleming> I don't know how to go about bringing it back.
[18:55] <RFleming> Oh, one other thing.  In the Indicators Plugin properties, it shows Sound Menu in the known indicators, and there is no checkmark beside hidden.
[18:56] <skribblezatcha> go to settings manager, session and startup, application startup tab, and tick the indicator sound and then go and restart and you are good to go RFleming.
[18:56] <RFleming> damn.  Thanks skribblezatcha :)
[18:57] <RFleming> I didn't think to look there.
[18:57] <skribblezatcha> yw RFleming.:) it happened to me too after updates.;)
[18:57] <RFleming> that's exactly what happened
[18:57] <skribblezatcha> lol
[18:57] <RFleming> got the latest 14.04 update (nice new wallpaper) and it disappeared!
[18:58] <skribblezatcha> i know right, thats what happened to me as well man.
[18:58] <mzr> also - when I try and get flash working - I keep getting "Failure to download extra data files" and it never works
[18:58] <RFleming> I'll make sure to add that to my 'to check before asking for help' list.
[18:58] <skribblezatcha> nice RFleming.
[18:58] <RFleming> I gotta say, I'm loving xfce4
[18:59] <RFleming> reminds me of my gentoo/fluxbox days ... without the hassles.
[18:59] <skribblezatcha> yeah, there is a lot that happens within the settings manager, and with xfce itself being updated, you want to check appearance, window manager, and window manager tweaks to make sure that your settings are remaining the same there RFleming.
[18:59] <skribblezatcha> yeah, i love XFCE. want to see a screenshot?
[18:59] <RFleming> sure!
[19:00] <skribblezatcha> cool, one sec. i will share my gtk theme with you too. (app appearances)
[19:00] <RFleming> That's one thing I haven't had time to delve into... how to add themes
[19:01] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04042014_-_03_00_44_PM-YbbUDW2f.png
[19:02] <skribblezatcha> yeah, thats what i do first thing, is get it looking how i want it, then i go ahead and get the software that i use installed, and am good to go.
[19:02] <RFleming> I'm the opposite.
[19:02] <RFleming> as a Windows Admin at work... I just changed my OS to Xubuntu.
[19:02] <RFleming> have to get back to work first, then can play with settings
[19:03] <mzr> how does a windows admin work on a daily basis in xubuntu?
[19:04] <RFleming> mzr, VMWare in Unity mode, or VBox in seamless mode.
[19:04] <mzr> ahh, that's cheating :P
[19:04] <RFleming> well, until I don't have to cheat it's the way it has to be
[19:04] <skribblezatcha> i hear you RFleming.
[19:04] <RFleming> besides... broken MS pays my mortgage.
[19:05] <skribblezatcha> lol RFleming.
[19:05] <RFleming> I was tired of a broken workstation.
[19:05] <mzr> xp/v/7/8?
[19:05] <skribblezatcha> i can dig that RFleming.
[19:05]  * RFleming shudders at xp/v/8
[19:05] <RFleming> 7 ent
[19:06] <mzr> 8 really isn't all that bad, but lol
[19:06] <skribblezatcha> i heard that windows is putting the start menu back in their OS.
[19:06] <skribblezatcha> that could be a lifesaver for them.
[19:06] <mzr> vista was horrid, which made people like XP some more, and then love 7....but really what about 8 is so bad?
[19:06] <junka> low iq
[19:06] <RFleming> mzr, 8 isn't that bad... but it's a radical departure from the 'familiar'
[19:06] <skribblezatcha> i was reading the article two days ago and the screenshots look legit. its a fully functioning start menu.
[19:07] <mzr> ....the whole free <7" os is the saver
[19:07] <mzr> RFleming: isn't linux the same, if you're a win dude
[19:07] <RFleming> mzr, no, I'm a *nx dude who manages windows :)
[19:07] <skribblezatcha> not when you set it up the way that you want it.
[19:08] <junka> skribblezatcha, what icon theme do you have
[19:08] <skribblezatcha> its called compass junka.
[19:08] <mzr> k, but if I put, even mint, on some relatives pc's they'd freak
[19:08] <RFleming> mzr, what I miss most when I had a windows desktop, was zsh
[19:08] <RFleming> and cygwin just doesn't cut it.
[19:08] <mzr> and win+x, win+s gets me everything I needed in a start menu
[19:09] <mzr> and win+r if we need to include that
[19:09] <RFleming> I started to learn powershell just so I could use the cmdline :)
[19:09] <RFleming> an cli excuse :)
[19:09] <mzr> powershell is pretty good once you understand it
[19:09] <RFleming> mzr it is!  Treating everything as an object is pretty cool.
[19:10] <RFleming> then again, powershell was written by a *ux dude.  Need a *ux equivalent now.
[19:11] <RFleming> as painful as the .NET framework can be, it's also pretty damned handy.
[19:13] <mzr> so which is worse -MS maintaining their largely different since the age old split but much more black boxed os, or Apple's nearly identical & boring'ness?
[19:13] <RFleming> I'd say MS... I can still see the source for darwin
[19:14] <RFleming> just not quartz
[19:15] <mzr> but if you have a laptop running *nx I bet it was a pc not a mac
[19:16] <RFleming> It is... only because that's what work gave me.
[19:18] <mzr> you'd have bought a mac to put *nix on it?
[19:18] <RFleming> I'd cheat with Mac OS and parallels if that was an option.
[19:19] <mzr> man, you just like to cheat...
[19:19] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[19:19] <RFleming> mzr, I suppose I could be a *nx admin and not have to cheat... :)
[19:20] <mzr> but wouldn't a laptopbe cheating if it was originally not *nix :P
[19:21] <mzr> I guess there's the dell sputnik program
[19:22] <RFleming> could get HP laptops with linux
[19:23] <RFleming> well, used to be able to
[19:23] <mzr> (this isn't the 90's) :P
[19:23] <mzr> if chromebooks count as linux(they don't) hp makes those
[19:25] <RFleming> I suppose I could avoid the VM altogether and just use RDP, but I find the FOSS clients are kinda crappy.
[19:26] <RFleming> remmina likes to segfault on certain hosts.
[19:29] <mzr> Rfleming - what kind of jobs are available to our young gen of nerds in it/cs?
[19:29] <RFleming> depends where you are.  I'm in Canada and have been at it for 20 years.
[19:30] <RFleming> Pickings seem to be slim for entry positions.  Everyone's graduating with CS degrees that are relatively useless.
[19:30] <RFleming> Specialization is really the only way to go
[19:30] <mzr> well I'm not in india....
[19:31] <skribblezatcha> back.
[19:31] <mzr> wb...unetbootin is taking forever
[19:31] <RFleming> IT generalists are mostly dead... too many cs interns to do that work.
[19:31] <mzr> so - what specializations?
[19:32] <RFleming> virtualization
[19:32] <RFleming> backup
[19:32] <RFleming> cloud
[19:32] <RFleming> security
[19:32] <recon_lap> if your good at IT dont study it, study something else and use IT to make it better
[19:33] <RFleming> then there are the slew of enterprise software specialists
[19:33] <mzr> and what do they need to get in the door a 10 year degree?
[19:34] <RFleming> a degree and 5 years experience
[19:34] <RFleming> seems that's all they want
[19:34] <mzr> that is 10 years, lol
[19:35] <recon_lap> and it must be 5 years experience doing the exact same job you are applying for :P
[19:35] <RFleming> yep
[19:35] <RFleming> if you don't have the xp, you can intern for free.
[19:36] <recon_lap> hell, they will probably want you to pay them for the training lol
[19:36] <mzr> nice catch 22
[19:37] <recon_lap> damn I miss the 90's :)
[19:38] <RFleming> was a simpler time.
[19:38] <RFleming> got my job in the 90's
[19:38] <mzr> whereas the kids can make money asap by learning ICD 10, so weird
[19:38] <mzr> idk, was nirvana "simple"?
[19:38] <RFleming> hired as a summer student to write docs... helped the sys admin when I had free time... she up and quit, and I got the job.
[19:38] <mzr> nice
[19:39] <RFleming> oddly enough, she left to go to an MS shop.
[19:40] <recon_lap> one of the biggest problems with ITC is that hardly anyone can understand what you actually do
[19:40] <RFleming> shortly after I had to migrate everyone to MS because Novell wanted way too much $$$ for licensing for more users.
[19:41] <RFleming> NT 3.11 was lots of 'fun' :)
[19:42] <RFleming> err... no, 3.51
[19:43] <RFleming> too far bac
[19:43] <RFleming> s/bac/back
[19:45] <mzr> unetbootin finished, yay
[19:46] <mzr> anything I need to do after booting to the usb skribblezatcha?
[19:48] <mzr> or you wouldn't happen to have any experience would you RFleming ?
[19:49] <RFleming> unetbootin?
[19:50] <RFleming> what are you trying to do?
[19:50] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[19:50] <mzr> get a live usb set up with ersistence
[19:50] <mzr> lol, he says nothing for 10 minutes, and the says brb
[19:51] <recon_lap> mzr: think you need to add a partition for saving files now
[19:51] <RFleming> trying to make a linux liveusb from linux?
[19:51] <mzr> yes sir
[19:51] <mzr> genius, right?
[19:51] <RFleming> to what end?
[19:51] <RFleming> and better, why?
[19:52] <mzr> live cd -> live usb transition
[19:52] <mzr> fits better in my pocket
[19:52] <RFleming> so you're trying to make a liveusb of the livecd?
[19:52] <RFleming> or of a currently installed system?
[19:52] <mzr> no, just of xu
[19:53] <mzr> new system, same distro
[19:53] <recon_lap> RFleming: I'm guessing he's just making a live usb with persistence from an iso
[19:53] <mzr> correct
[19:53] <RFleming> rmm..
[19:53] <RFleming> ermmmm
[19:54] <mzr> "After rebooting, select the USB boot option in the BIOS boot menu. Reboot now?"
[19:54] <mzr> so....is it good to go? :/
[19:54] <RFleming> pretty much
[19:55] <mzr> thanks - this whole persistence stuff has been a fun adventure
[19:55] <recon_lap> mzr: Probably, you might need to add persist to the boot option
[19:56] <RFleming> mzr, if you were already in ubuntu, why didn't you use the 'Startup Disk Creator'?
[19:56] <mzr> yeah just add "persistent" right?
[19:56] <mzr> i was in xu, didn't have it
[19:56] <mzr> recon_lap: after f6 of course
[19:57] <recon_lap> mzr: hell, I dont remember the details, thats what google is for :P
[19:57] <RFleming> mzr, future reference, you can install packages in livecd... next time install usb-creator. :)
[19:57] <mzr> genius!
[19:59] <mzr> I'm not at exactly experienced with live usbs
[20:00] <mzr> be back if this doesn't fry my mobo
[20:00]  * RFleming doesn't really trust unetbootin.  I've had it work once, then not boot the second time.
[20:01] <RFleming> If I had to live with a USB distro, I'd probably look at Puppy
[20:05] <mzr> meh
[20:05] <mzr> touchpad's busted :/
[20:12] <mzr> recon_lap: trying to update/upgrade - aside from that anything i should check?
[20:12] <recon_lap> mzr: nothing I can think of
[20:13] <mzr> was in lts - pangolin b4, did 13 on the usb, and now voila, no bueno
[20:13] <mzr> and do these usually take a while?
[20:13] <recon_lap> mzr: the usb's run slow
[20:14] <RFleming> usb3 or not at all
[20:14] <mzr> up at ~get 240
[20:14] <mzr> old stick
[20:14] <RFleming> hopefully usb2
[20:14] <mzr> yeah t's not that old
[20:14] <RFleming> usb1.1 and you might as well use a dvd :)
[20:15] <mzr> I was thinking of trying firewire next time, would that work?
[20:15] <RFleming> I don't know of any bios that boots from firewire
[20:15] <RFleming> hell, I'd have liked my lappy  to boot from class 10 sd
[20:15] <RFleming> but nooooo, no can do.
[20:16] <mzr> wb
[20:16] <mzr> unetbootin killed my touchpad
[20:16] <recon_lap> mzr: 13.10 has some firmware bugs, think touch pads was one of them
[20:16] <RFleming> mzr, try installing synaptiks
[20:17] <RFleming> sudo apt-get install synaptiks
[20:17] <xubuntu186> Hi all! Would you say me what XUbuntu is well for desktop development with x64 processsor and 8Gb RAM? x64 or x86?
[20:17] <RFleming> ?
[20:17] <mzr> are you saying should i go 32 or 64 bit?
[20:17] <RFleming> x64
[20:17] <RFleming> that a trick question?
[20:17] <xubuntu186> no-no, I bad speak in English, sorry ))
[20:17] <mzr> if it's 4+gb of ram, always 64
[20:18] <mzr> noprob
[20:18] <RFleming> xubuntu186, what's your native language?
[20:18] <knome> mzr, not really... the PAE kernel allows 32-bit systems to use more than 4GB of ram.
[20:18] <xubuntu186> I'm trying to install XUbuntu, but I know linux packages support x86, but x64 is not for all.
[20:18] <mzr> knome - if he's going to be experienced enough to udnerstand that statement, he won't come asking in #xubuntu
[20:19] <xubuntu186> C++
[20:19]  * RFleming groans
[20:19]  * mzr backs away
[20:19] <skribblezatcha> it depends xubuntu186. if you want to install the x64 go for it since you have 8gb ram and a system that supports 64 bit.
[20:20] <Artemis3> with 8g of ram, amd64 is good
[20:20] <mzr> RFleming: it's unpacking - much farther to go?
[20:20] <RFleming> how should I know? :)
[20:20] <Artemis3> RFleming, where are you from?
[20:20] <xubuntu186> Thank you very much!
[20:21] <mzr> RFleming: how should i know if you should know?
[20:21] <RFleming> Toronto
[20:21] <mzr> what did you say about synaptols before?
[20:21] <mzr> *tiks
[20:22] <RFleming> that it may help you get your touchpad working
[20:22] <mzr> ...remember I'm a noob
[20:22] <RFleming> mzr, from cli, run xinput list
[20:23] <RFleming> you see you device?
[20:24] <mzr> maybe
[20:24] <RFleming> should mention something like glidepoint, or Synaptics or ALPS or touchpad
[20:24] <RFleming> ADB mouse?
[20:24] <mzr> virtual core xtest pointer seems to be my best option
[20:24] <RFleming> what laptop you have?
[20:24] <mzr> dell
[20:25] <RFleming> hmm
[20:25] <mzr> inspiron something or other
[20:25] <mzr> my logitech unifying device is showing up though
[20:25] <mzr> just nothing about the touchpad....
[20:26] <RFleming> you happen to have a FN key to turn on/off touchpad?
[20:26] <RFleming> on my Lenovo, it's FN-F8
[20:27] <mzr> yeah, that didn't work :)
[20:27] <mzr> but I do
[20:27] <RFleming> did you say you installed LTS?
[20:27] <mzr> and the fn keys for volume work
[20:28] <RFleming> mzr, modprobe -r psmouse
[20:28] <RFleming> mzr, modprobe psmouse proto=imps
[20:28] <mzr> tried that, but I'll do it again
[20:28] <mzr> and it's 13.04
[20:28] <RFleming> mzr, I should state sudo both of those
[20:29] <mzr> all that first one did was unmute my speakers O.o
[20:30] <RFleming> mzr, https://www.linuxwind.org/html/dell-touchpad-driver-for-ubuntu-13-04.html
[20:30] <mzr> thanks, windows just works for this thing :P
[20:31] <RFleming> your laptop was meant for windows :)
[20:31] <mzr> and i don't know that I can do that >.>
[20:31] <RFleming> one way to find out :)
[20:31] <mzr> and I'm supposed to do this all mouse-less, lol
[20:51] <ottod> After today updates, indicator-sound is missing from my panel. Someone can give me a hint of how to fix it, or it is better to wait for next updates? PS: I do not know how to report a bug of this kind. I have only reported bugs in crashed programs in the past.
[20:54] <pawell> Hi, last times my computer with xubuntu seemed to be a little bit slow, after using command lshw -class cpu the last line says "configuration: cores = 2 enabled cores=1 threads=2" Does it mean that one of my core doesn't work ? How can I change it ? Thank you for answer in advance.
[20:57] <skribblezatcha> ottod: go to settings manager, then go to sessioan and startup, then to applications..then make sure that indicator sound is ticked. then go and restart and you are good to go.
[20:59] <ottod> thanks skribblezatcha, it was unticked. Restarting now!
[20:59] <skribblezatcha> yw ottod.
[21:16] <recon_lap> pawell: don't know, but mine reads configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=4
[21:22] <xubuntu230> Hi, just wondering if anyone here has experience and (hopefully) solution for random booting to command line with xubuntu 12.04 - running on DELL inspiron 1300
[21:37] <recon_lap> xubuntu230: random?
[21:39] <xubuntu230> Hey recon_lap, yeah. Most of the time boots okay to the GUI but occasionally boots to command line ... can't figure out why! Otherwise, stable and functioning correctly.
[21:45] <linuxthefish> people here use xubuntu? better than ubuntu?
[21:45] <mrnv> I install awesome, but didn't find it in xsession, can somebody help me?
[21:46] <knome> linuxthefish, well, obviously, you came to the xubuntu channel... do you expect an objective answer?
[21:48] <RFleming> hehe
[21:50] <linuxthefish> knome you like it then? O.o
[21:51] <RFleming> linuxthefish, I would suspect very much he does
[21:51] <linuxthefish> as a main desktop OS?
[21:51] <mzr> linuxthefish: what do you need in an os?
[21:51] <knome> linuxthefish, i'm the xubuntu project lead... yes i do like it
[21:51] <knome> and it is my main OS on all devices
[21:52] <mzr> there's a mobile xubuntu? sweet!
[21:52] <linuxthefish> command line, simple looking desktop, privecy, good apps
[21:52] <knome> and i work on commercial stuff with it
[21:52] <RFleming> knome, even your phone? :)
[21:52] <linuxthefish> i guess xubuntu is the one lol
[21:52] <knome> my nokia 2730 doesn't run any OSes really ;)
[21:52] <knome> mzr, RFleming ^
[21:52] <RFleming> hehe, trick question
[21:53] <mzr> ltf - xubuntu is nice in that it's not super resource intensive...and It's blue instead of orangeish red....
[21:53] <linuxthefish> :D cheers
[21:53] <RFleming> knome, now now... Symbian would count as an OS
[21:53] <mzr> Symbian is the biggest phone os ever
[21:53] <mzr> nothing'll touch the dominance it had for 10-20 years
[21:54] <mzr> for=in the next
[21:54] <RFleming> mzr, never say never :)
[21:54] <mzr> not saying never, saying not now
[21:54] <RFleming> people said the same about Ford ;)
[21:55] <RFleming> Anywho... I've gotta jet
[21:55] <knome> symbian is very much phasing out
[21:55] <RFleming> take care all
[21:55] <knome> anyway... you get the idea
[21:55] <knome> have fun
[21:55] <RFleming> knome, looking forward to the 17th :)
[21:55] <mzr> Mustang GT500>Camaro ZL1, Boss>M3, F150>=Ram, and they very much influenced Range rover and jaguar...that's still pretty big-time :P
[21:55] <mzr> ^what RFleming said
[21:56] <mzr> maybe my touchpad'll work at that point
[22:02] <mzr> cya guys, keep up the good work knome
[22:02] <knome> thanks, will do and have fun
[22:04] <df3d2> anyone actually alive in here
[22:05] <bazhang> yes
[22:05] <skribblezatcha> yeppers.
[22:06] <recon_lap> major case of LTS fever going on in here
[22:07] <df3d2> so basically, my screen "blanks" monitor stays on but I have a black screen on xubuntu 13.10 I can't find a way to disable it
[22:07] <df3d2> I have disabled anything regarding monitor power saving in xfce-power manager
[22:07] <recon_lap> knome: and thx for a great OS :)
[22:08] <skribblezatcha> agreed, xubuntu is dope indeed.
[22:08] <df3d2> anyone know why it does this ?
[22:09] <knome> thanks thanks, and all due credit to all the other contributors
[22:09] <df3d2> like is it some sort of screen saver?
[22:09] <recon_lap> df3d2: did it use to work properly ?
[22:09] <df3d2> I dont see any screen saver settings anywhere
[22:09] <df3d2> recon_lap: well im not sure to be honest
[22:09] <df3d2> ive just dealt with it for awhile now
[22:11] <recon_lap> df3d2: and does it unblank if you press a key?
[22:11] <df3d2> yes
[22:11] <recon_lap> probably a screen saver
[22:11] <df3d2> well I see 0 options for screen savers under preferences
[22:12] <recon_lap> df3d2: I take it you have to leave it alone for a while before it goes blank?
[22:12] <df3d2> wow i'm a moron
[22:12] <df3d2> I totally forgot that machine has lubuntu DOH.
[22:14] <skribblezatcha> lol df3d2.
[22:14] <df3d2> :-\
[22:14] <recon_lap> should we burn him
[22:14] <recon_lap> :P
[22:14] <skribblezatcha> lol
[22:14] <df3d2> heretic
[22:14] <df3d2> at any rate ill do what it says here, I just did that is... Lets see if it fixes it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183289
[22:15] <recon_lap> I forgot, its stoning for heretics
[22:15] <df3d2> I do like xubuntu, just wanted to give lubuntu a try and it is very nice to be honest
[22:15] <recon_lap> df3d2: I'm only messing with you :)
[22:16] <skribblezatcha> i checked it out too df3d2, i thought that it was alright, i just prefer being able to theme things how i like to, as well as the features of XFCE are more what i am looking for, and no weather plugin for LXDE is a bummer.
[22:17] <df3d2> skribblezatcha: that machine is just a home server, htpc so i don't spend a ton of time staring at the themes etc. I just never even bothered to try to theme lubuntu LOL.
[22:17] <recon_lap> weather, whats than. I'm working on a lcd tan :)
[22:17] <skribblezatcha> o ok i feel you df3d2.
[22:18] <skribblezatcha> lol recon_lap.
[22:19] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[22:41] <skribblezatcha> wb recon_lap .
[22:42] <recon_lap> never went anywhere, started trying to design a clamp vise
[22:44] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see. i thought that i saw you leave the channel for a few there.
[22:45] <recon_lap> think my net connection dropping out.
[22:47] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i feel you.
[23:01] <pawell> Hi, last times my computer with xubuntu seemed to be a little bit slow, after using command lshw -class cpu the last line says "configuration: cores = 2 enabled cores=1 threads=2" Does it mean that one of my core doesn't work ? How can I change it ? Thank you for answer in advance.