[06:25] <Kilos> morning JabberwockyA19  nlsthzn  and others
[06:25] <nlsthzn> o/
[06:26] <nlsthzn> rugby time again uncle Kilos 
[06:26] <nlsthzn> pity about the protea's yesterday too
[06:27] <Kilos> yeah they got carrotted
[06:27]  * nlsthzn is not sure what that means
[06:28] <Kilos> oh if you give someone carrots you give him a hard time
[06:28] <Kilos> maybe thats not used anymore
[06:29] <nlsthzn> ah ok
[06:29] <nlsthzn> perhaps I just never heard anyone use it
[06:29] <Kilos> give him carrots or give him gears we used to say
[06:29] <nlsthzn> I was born after the discovery of the wheel
[06:29] <Kilos> roflmao
[06:29] <nlsthzn> gee hom gas
[06:29] <Kilos> ja daai ding
[06:29] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:33] <Kilos> see now i gotta support the bulls
[06:33] <Kilos> they look weird in green
[06:33] <nlsthzn> painful
[06:33] <nlsthzn> they are in green?
[06:34] <Kilos> lemme look again
[06:34] <nlsthzn> dress rehearsal for the boks later I guess :p
[06:35] <Kilos> ya kinda green camo effect
[06:36] <nlsthzn> guess they need all the help they can get
[07:06] <Kilos> whew shocking so far
[07:12] <nlsthzn> sounds that way
[07:16] <nlsthzn> well a try just before half-time keeps the hopes alive
[07:16] <Kilos> oh my
[07:17] <nlsthzn> oh my?
[07:17] <Kilos> they struggle without matfields guidance
[07:18] <nlsthzn> who is captain?
[07:18] <Kilos> some oke in funny green camo
[07:18] <Kilos> hehe
[07:18] <nlsthzn> >.<
[07:19] <Kilos> Tara: Flip I think
[07:19] <nlsthzn> hmmm
[07:20] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos / Tara
[07:20] <Kilos> lol
[07:20] <Kilos> she knows more about whats happening than i do
[07:21] <nlsthzn> than us both :)
[08:02] <Kilos> bulls musta got some stick half time
[08:03] <nlsthzn> looking slightly better?
[08:03] <Kilos> yeah
[08:04] <nlsthzn> oh  I see now there was a try
[08:04] <nlsthzn> reading rugby sucks\
[08:04] <Kilos> yeah
[08:04] <Kilos> but they seem a bit more organised too
[08:05] <nlsthzn> if we can win this game I will be impressed, they have already won more games this year than I expected to be honest
[08:06] <Kilos> they getting thing together. started very bad this year
[08:08] <nlsthzn> a number of our teams got off to bad starts 
[08:08] <nlsthzn> which isn't new I guess :/
[08:08] <Kilos> yeah except of course my team
[08:08] <nlsthzn> lol
[08:08] <nlsthzn> I guess
[08:09] <nlsthzn> then again they have lost against the bulls so that doesn't bode well for them
[08:09] <Kilos> sob
[08:10] <nlsthzn> ;)
[08:12] <Kilos> min time and 2 points behind
[08:13] <Kilos> dunno why the scrumm failing
[08:14] <Kilos> matfield there in suit and tie
[08:15] <nlsthzn> :(
[08:15] <nlsthzn> guess we loose with 2 points, so close
[08:15] <nlsthzn> and if he is there he could have been playing??!!!?!?
[08:16] <Kilos> 1 min left but scrum
[08:16] <Kilos> sigh
[08:16] <Kilos> poor show
[08:21] <nlsthzn> oh well
[08:21] <nlsthzn> bbl
[08:21] <Kilos> k
[09:21] <Kilos> hmm... jabber.org be sicker
[09:29] <Kilos> Maaz  is jabber.org down
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz  you here?
[09:36] <Maaz> Well duh!
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://www.jabber.org/ down
[09:37] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[09:37] <charl_> good morning
[09:37] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:37]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:37] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[09:37] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[09:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[09:38] <charl_> jabber broken?
[09:38] <Kilos> yeah on my pidgin
[09:38] <charl_> i can access the site from here
[09:38] <Kilos> with what link charl_  ?
[09:38] <charl_> the one above
[09:39] <charl_> http://www.jabber.org/
[09:39] <Kilos> i get there but its just a story kinda about jabber
[09:39] <charl_> the site got simplified a lot
[09:39] <charl_> just like swissjabber.ch
[09:39] <charl_> http://www.swissjabber.ch/
[09:39] <Kilos> no login buttons or so on
[09:40] <charl_> no
[09:40] <charl_> jabber servers are known for going down frequently
[09:40] <charl_> i now run my own jabber server - much better
[09:40] <charl_> jabber.ccc.de also goes down frequently
[09:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[09:41] <charl_> http://web.jabber.ccc.de/
[09:41] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:41] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:41] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[09:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:42] <Kilos> so how do you rev them to fix it
[09:42] <charl_> it's a free service, afaik not much you can do
[09:42] <charl_> you have a shell account? you can also run your own jabber server if you want
[09:42] <charl_> it's extremely simple
[09:43] <Kilos> with the same info?
[09:43] <Kilos> like im kilos@jabber.org
[09:43] <charl_> no you will get a new JID (jabber ID)
[09:43] <charl_> because @jabber.org is linked to the server(s) at jabber.org
[09:43] <charl_> so you get kilos@whatever-your-server-is
[09:44] <Kilos> no man thats too much. i have gmail accounts
[09:44] <charl_> ah, with gtalk
[09:45] <charl_> as long as that still works it is a good backup
[09:45] <charl_> although afaik google wants to cancel that service
[09:46] <Kilos> ya i got 4 gmail accounts i think
[09:46] <charl_> lol
[09:46] <Kilos> dunno what to do with everything
[09:47] <Kilos> and 1 yahoo and 1 hotmail.com and 1 live.com
[09:47] <Kilos> whew
[10:16] <Kilos> jabber fixed again
[10:16] <Kilos> yay
[11:56] <JabberwockyA19> good afternoon Kilos
[11:57]  * JabberwockyA19 is fixed too now
[11:59] <charl_> hi JabberwockyA19 
[12:06] <Kilos> haha
[14:30] <Symmetria> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10245352_10152343328660681_4825273528210417881_n.jpg
[14:30] <Symmetria> I caight a decent size fishie for once
[14:48] <Kilos> lekker
[15:04] <charl_> WHOW!
[15:04] <charl_> no kidding man
[15:05] <charl_> Symmetria: you gonna have a huge party just to eat that thing ?
[15:06] <Symmetria> charl heh the hotel cooked it up and we ate it with the other guests
[15:06] <charl_> lol
[15:06] <Symmetria> ;p it was consellation after I totalled my company car yesterday
[15:06] <charl_> totalled?
[15:07] <charl_> oh i had to google it but it seems like totalled can mean you had to write off a car ...
[15:07] <charl_> man that sucks :(
[15:07] <Symmetria> yah
[15:08] <Symmetria> heh flipped it 
[15:08] <charl_> flipped how the heck did you do that
[15:08] <charl_> i know the roads in nairobi can be bad but ...
[15:08] <Symmetria> blew a tyre out on a dirt road 
[15:08] <Symmetria> lost control when I did and went into a 2 foot deep ditch
[15:08] <charl_> oh i see... ok
[15:08] <Symmetria> as the car went into the ditch it flipped
[15:08] <charl_> yeah ok that's understandable
[15:08] <charl_> it can happen
[15:08] <Symmetria> end of my nice pretty prado :(
[15:09] <charl_> whow it's a 4x4 type thing ?
[15:09] <charl_> googled once again :)
[15:09] <Symmetria> yeah
[15:09] <charl_> whow that is a big car to flip
[15:09] <Symmetria> pricey suv 
[15:09] <charl_> but i guess it's a little top heavy so it can happen
[15:10] <charl_> you would expect a car like that to be good on such a road
[15:10] <Symmetria> heh they are but the problem with any 4x4, if you blow a tyre 
[15:10] <Symmetria> the back wheels keep moving and push you into a spin
[15:11] <Symmetria> spinning out a 4x4 if you have a serious problem on one of the wheels isnt that hard if one of them digs in
[15:14] <charl_> bah
[15:14] <charl_> i get it
[19:04] <Kilos> hi superfly  Trixar_za  and others
[19:06] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[19:06] <Trixar_za> Kilos: What if I make a pre-libusb-1.x version?
[19:06] <Kilos> explain please?
[19:07] <Trixar_za> The newer sakis3g uses the usb-modeswitch 2.x and up
[19:07] <Trixar_za> Which uses libusb-1.x and up instead of the old libusb-0.1x
[19:08] <Kilos> oh
[19:08] <Trixar_za> You said you can't connect with the current sakis3g, so I'll make one that's before the move to the newer library
[19:08] <Kilos> do you know what these modems actually do
[19:09] <Kilos> like this dlink doesnt seem to trigger modeswitch
[19:09] <Kilos> but sometimes pluggin in a second modem at the same time triggers modeswitch then nm sees both
[19:10] <Kilos> almost as if there is something missing from the modems side
[19:11] <Trixar_za> Try http://trixarian.net/sakis3g-old.gz
[19:12] <Kilos> ok will do
[19:12] <Kilos> ty
[19:12] <Trixar_za> It's the one compiled with usb-modeswitch 1.2.7 (the last pre-libusb-0.1x version) and the current database
[19:13] <Trixar_za> pre-libusb-1.x*
[19:14] <Trixar_za> Which is why I left compile.old around :P
[19:14] <Kilos> ok
[19:15] <Kilos> also
[19:15] <Kilos> listen nicely now
[19:16] <Kilos> i have unity on a 80g drive that sees the modem after whatever i did when i got the thing
[19:16] <Kilos> i have kde on this drive
[19:16] <Kilos> if i unplug the modem and reboot too kde first it dont see the modem
[19:17] <Trixar_za> I heard you. My guess would be that the dlink doesn't send a proper signal that alerts usb-modeswitch that it needs to be switched. But when you put in the second device, it does send the signal and both get picked up for switching.
[19:17] <Kilos> if i boot to the 80g it sees the modem then i can reboot to kde and it sees it
[19:18] <Trixar_za> I'd stick with the bad signal guess
[19:19] <Kilos> also if there is a power cut kde dont see it
[19:19] <Kilos> what signal is bad
[19:19] <Kilos> im trying to work out what signals what
[19:20] <Kilos> is it a faulty modem?
[19:21] <Trixar_za> Could be a mix between faulty modem and faulty usb ports
[19:21] <Trixar_za> Maybe even the Linux kernel not picking things up properly
[19:21] <Kilos> whew
[19:23] <Trixar_za> If I had more devices to test, I would probably be able to give you a more exact picture, but I only own one 3g modem :P
[19:23] <Trixar_za> The ZTE K3570-Z
[19:25] <Kilos> i got a zte mf190 here that works fine on linux but cant install to windows pcs
[19:25] <Kilos> something corrupt
[19:26] <Kilos> and its read only cellc stuff thats messed up
[19:26] <Kilos> but thats the one that helps trigger the dlink so i dont wanna mess with it yet
[19:27] <Trixar_za> In the old days you just had to do lsusb to trigger usb devices again
[19:27] <Trixar_za> But it doesn't work anymore :(
[19:28] <Kilos> where can one find info on why they went away from the storage bit to this new cdfs thing
[19:28] <Kilos> ive google me sick
[19:30] <Kilos> would be better for me if everything was physical stuff i could see, software is beyond my
[19:30] <Kilos> like bitcoins
[19:30] <Kilos> i cant understand money that is in the air somewhere
[19:30] <Trixar_za> bitcoins are simple - they're a virtual currency that got pushed into being a major currency by the Chinese.
[19:32] <Kilos> its the virtual thing thats baffling
[19:32] <Kilos> i can install an os in virtualbox here but i can see it using space so its not really virtual
[19:32] <Trixar_za> Most currency is virtual if you think about it
[19:34] <Trixar_za> Virtual just means it doesn't exist physically. Your money doesn't exist until you draw it. Before that it's just transaction in a computer somewhere
[19:34] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:34] <Kilos> ya but how do you draw bitcoins
[19:34] <Kilos> is there ever anything you can see and hold in your hand
[19:35] <Trixar_za> It's a virtual currency, so you draw it like you would exchange money - in your own currency
[19:35] <Trixar_za> Considering the worth of a single bitcoin on average... that's like 2k rand per bitcoin
[19:35] <Kilos> oh
[19:36] <Kilos> im too old or stupid for all this modern stuff
[19:36] <Trixar_za> No, I'm wrong. It's closer to 5k
[19:37] <Kilos> like a virtual hamburger wont fill my tummy
[19:38] <Trixar_za> Think of it like a real currency. You can draw real money off it
[19:38] <Trixar_za> It's just virtual because you won't get a bitcoin coin or bill
[19:38] <Kilos> http://preev.com/btc/zar
[19:39] <Kilos> big bucks for something thats not real
[19:39] <Trixar_za> Yeah - the Chinese keep pushing it over 500 usd
[20:11] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za  i will let you know once ive tried out this other sakis
[20:11] <Kilos> sleep tight all. see ya morrow sometime