[00:50] <Noskcaj_> starrats, In response to your email, welcome to the team
[00:50] <starrats> Thank you Noskcaj
[00:51] <Noskcaj_> Is there anything in particular you'd like to help with?
[00:52] <starrats> I do not know but I want to help, just really new to this whole thing, you folks have helped me and I want to reciprocate 
[00:53] <Noskcaj_> awesome
[00:53] <starrats> like being on this channel and if someone comes and ask a question and I k now tghe answer then I'll start there, testing the newer version will come down the road, still learning
[00:53] <Noskcaj_> :)
[00:53] <Noskcaj_> Do you know any programming languages or a language that isn't english? 
[00:54] <starrats> I live in the USA and in OH so sometimes there be folks on that others will be off sleeping
[00:54] <starrats> neither, sorry
[00:55] <starrats> I wish I did, I'm prbably a lot older than most folks/nicks here so I never got involved with computers until late in my life
[00:56] <Noskcaj_> ok. And age shouldn't be an issue. What do you want to help with? support, docs, bug triage, packaging, testing, etc. There's always someone around willing to teach you
[00:59] <bluesabre> knome, Noskcaj, micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1302484
[01:00] <starrats> okay thank you and if there books or online documents to help me I would appreciate that too, love to read and test stuff, 
[01:01] <Noskcaj_> bluesabre, Are there any lintian issues left?
[01:02] <Noskcaj_> And in the future, try to tell bzr what bugs each commit fixes. (I manually linked the bugs just then)
[01:02] <Noskcaj_> starrats, There are some, i'll see what i can find
[01:02] <bluesabre> ok, will do
[01:02] <bluesabre> I think its lintian clean
[01:03] <bluesabre> or at least minor
[01:03] <starrats> thanks Noskcaj
[01:03] <bluesabre> starrats, is there anything you're particularly interested in? :)
[01:03] <Noskcaj_> starrats, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles has most of the testing and bug triage related info. 
[01:03] <Noskcaj_> bluesabre, That's been asked twice already. :)
[01:03] <bluesabre> I started by reporting bugs, then ochosi pulled me into IRC
[01:04] <bluesabre> since I kept harrassing him about appearance issues :)
[01:04] <Unit193> Oh, good for him.  Now I get to harass you!
[01:05] <bluesabre> oh yay
[01:05] <Noskcaj_> starrats, and http://xubuntu.org/contribute/support_documentation/ is our info for making documentation
[01:05] <bluesabre> :D
[01:06] <bluesabre> btw Noskcaj_, thanks for helping with so much this cycle
[01:06] <bluesabre> it's been smooth-going, and I think you deserve a fair bit of credit for that :)
[01:06] <Noskcaj_> bluesabre, no problem. It was the only way i could help, with the lack of a function VM to test in
[01:07] <starrats> Noskcaj_ bookmarked both sites you sent me, was reading on the 'tester' stuff and that sounds interesting to me.
[01:07] <Noskcaj_> great
[01:24] <starrats> good night everyone, I was up at 4AM this morning.
[01:35] <bluesabre> hey Noskcaj_, are you terribly busy?
[01:36] <bluesabre> I started writing this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1302906
[01:36] <bluesabre> then I remembered that you are the uploader for debian and ubuntu :)
[01:37] <Noskcaj_> :)
[01:37] <Noskcaj_> I just finished lunch, so i'll look now
[01:37] <bluesabre> awesome
[01:37] <bluesabre> should be a simple package update, nothing funny with new files or anything
[01:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.2/0.2.3
[01:38] <Noskcaj_> Might be a day or two since i'd liek to go via debian
[01:38] <bluesabre> right
[01:38] <bluesabre> no rush
[01:38] <bluesabre> I'm just working on getting releases out as possible
[01:39] <bluesabre> hoping that I might get a chance to do a release announcement or two this weekend (I'm way behind on my blog)
[01:39] <Noskcaj_> also, the tag upgrade-software-version is good to add to those bugs
[01:40] <bluesabre> ah
[01:50] <Noskcaj_> bluesabre, done. I'm waiting for a sponsor in debian (should only be a day or two)
[01:51] <bluesabre> yup, saw that
[01:51] <bluesabre> thanks for quick action :)
[02:35] <Noskcaj_> eric_the_idiot, Do you think you'll be making another xfdesktop release before the 10th?
[09:42] <brainwash> ali1234: any idea why indicator-application isn't loading automatically?
[09:44] <elfy> mmm 
[09:44] <elfy> so now xfdesktop --reload doesn't get the wallpaper back
[09:48] <brainwash> elfy: just wait for the next update
[09:48] <elfy> lol
[09:48] <elfy> so why is --reload not working though :p
[09:49] <brainwash> mmh, dunno
[09:49] <brainwash> toggle the compositor
[09:49] <brainwash> this should also restore the wallpaper
[09:49] <elfy> too late :)
[10:05] <brainwash> where is micahg?
[10:07] <brainwash> now is the time to do stuff and the active people don't have merge/upload rights :/
[10:09]  * elfy remembers the same refrain last cycle, the one before, the one before, the one before
[10:11] <brainwash> this time it's LTS time again
[10:11] <brainwash> people actually expect to get a polished OS :)
[10:12] <elfy> even so - we don't have a huge list of people to do this stuff - so it's rather pointless going round in circles :)
[10:12] <brainwash> didn't we want to change this?
[10:12] <elfy> brainwash: so are you working towards it?
[10:12] <elfy> yea - time is the issue I guess 
[10:13] <brainwash> uhm, even noskcaj got only restricted upload rights
[10:13] <brainwash> I would get like nothing at this point
[10:13] <elfy> nor for me to talk about it - there's more chance of finding hen's teeth than me doing it
[10:13] <elfy> s/not
[10:14] <brainwash> sadly we got some ugly issues out of nowhere
[10:15] <elfy> I guess the thing we need to do is get the fixes in a row so when micah is about he can get stuff done
[10:15] <elfy> yea - we did 
[10:15] <brainwash> what about mr_pouit?
[10:16] <elfy> he's too busy elsewhere afaik
[10:43] <ochosi> brainwash_: the indicator plugin works fine for me
[10:44] <ochosi> i didn't change anything in the config, so the indicator-application is still started by the desktop file
[10:44] <ochosi> it's a mixed mode, but i think that
[10:44] <ochosi> 's the same in ubuntu, no?
[10:44] <brainwash_> not sure
[10:45] <brainwash_> ofc it would start if you didn't uncheck the autostart launcher
[10:45] <ochosi> yeah
[10:45] <ochosi> but why would i?
[10:45] <ochosi> afaik tedg's upstart changes haven't landed for all indicators yet
[10:45] <brainwash_> because we are testing the patch
[10:45] <ochosi> so i don't think what you wanted to do can work just yet
[10:45] <brainwash_> maybe
[10:45] <brainwash_> did you check the running processes after logout?
[10:46] <brainwash_> did everything terminate?
[10:46] <ochosi> isn't that hard to say since we start the indicators anew with the same method in the greeter?
[10:46] <brainwash_> yes, but that's a different user (lightdm)
[10:47] <ochosi> right, so have you checked that?
[10:47] <brainwash_> I did and noticed that indicator-bluetooth is still running, also the initial upstart process
[10:47] <ochosi> i mean you asking me seems to infer that you checked and that it doesn't work
[10:48] <brainwash_> but my setup is.. different
[10:48] <ochosi> well mine also isn
[10:48] <ochosi> t a clean install anymore
[10:49] <brainwash_> well, please check the process list then
[11:02] <lderan_mobile> ochosi, shall have a look at those links this afternoon :P
[11:03] <ochosi> i think it might turn out to be a lot of work, but otoh really rewarding
[11:03] <lderan_mobile> aye :)
[14:34] <bluesabre> knome, micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-power-manager/sync_lock_xfpm_session/+merge/214392
[14:35] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[15:41] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2 
[15:41] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, fine?
[15:41] <ochosi> haven't had time to review your merge-requests, will do that tomorrow
[15:41] <ochosi> yeah, fine :)
[15:41] <ochosi> very busy though
[15:42] <sergio-br2> ok, no problem
[15:42] <ochosi> haven't had too much time and energy to draw many icons lately
[15:42] <ochosi> created a draft for new libreoffice-icons though
[15:42] <ochosi> but haven't had a chance yet to do more than 2 sizes
[15:43] <sergio-br2> libreoffice?
[15:43] <ochosi> yeah. libreoffice/openoffice mime-types
[15:43] <ochosi> and possibly the apps too
[15:43] <sergio-br2> it will be different than ooo-office?
[15:43] <ochosi> no
[15:43] <sergio-br2> ahh, mime types
[15:43] <ochosi> but currently libre/openoffice = abiword
[15:43] <ochosi> that's not ideal ^
[15:44] <ochosi> and the same icon is used for rtf, odt, etc
[15:45] <sergio-br2> you will change all the icons? or just for writer?
[15:45] <ochosi> right now i've done the proposed style for writer and calc
[15:46] <sergio-br2> the main icon for libreoffice, that blank, is missing. And for Math too
[15:46] <ochosi> some of the other's aren't that important
[15:46] <ochosi> yeah, we should do that one too as soon as we've found a good style for the app-icon
[15:46] <ochosi> sent you the proposal for mimes in PM
[15:47] <sergio-br2> it seems great!
[15:47] <ochosi> ty
[15:47] <ochosi> was actually working on this on the side for quite a while
[15:47] <ochosi> took some time to find something that works
[17:04] <eric_the_idiot> Noskcaj, yes, just letting some of the translations land before another release
[17:07] <starrats> When did the 'whisker menu' get moved to the right upper corner?
[17:21] <brainwash_> eric_the_idiot: I've discovered yet another bug in xfdesktop =S
[17:22] <eric_the_idiot> I saw the bug report, looking into it now
[17:23] <brainwash_> really strange one, sadly I did not provide any debugging info
[17:25] <brainwash_> starrats: we did not change the config
[17:25] <brainwash_> panel configuration I mean
[17:27] <brainwash_> ochosi: should I edit the defaults.list (x-d-s) and let abiword open .docx by default?
[17:27] <brainwash_> we got a bug report for this
[17:27] <brainwash_> but abiword is pretty bad at displaying .docx, so I'm not sure
[18:17] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: I've extended my menu-icon-tweak patch for thunar and attached it to the bug report, it's really low priority stuff, so only update your branch if you are really in the mood to change it one more time :)
[18:27] <bluesabre> brainwash: is it still set to file-roller?
[18:34] <brainwash_> I think so
[18:34] <brainwash_> abiword does not appear in the open with sub menu
[18:35] <brainwash_> I've got libreoffice installed, so it's set as default
[18:36] <brainwash_> bug 1141885
[18:37] <brainwash_> I would prefer it being fixed in abiword (upstream)
[18:46] <brainwash> bluesabre: what do you think? there will be another x-d-s upload before release, should we assign abiword to .docx files?
[19:13] <bluesabre> brainwash: makes sense to me
[19:47] <jhenke> sorry, what does x-d-s mean?
[19:51] <Noskcaj> brainwash, i'll update the branch now
[19:57] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok
[19:57] <brainwash> jhenke: xubuntu-default-settings
[19:57] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thanks
[19:59] <brainwash> uhm, does anyone use xfwm4's ability to tile windows (aero snap)?
[19:59] <brainwash> it does not seem to restore the correct window size after untiling
[20:00] <brainwash> ali1234: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
[20:01] <brainwash> how is something like this not fixed yet? :D
[20:02] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I've never got it too tile properly and am too lazy to fix the settings if that counts
[20:05] <brainwash> I wish that I would find less bugs before final release
[20:07] <starrats> brainwash_ my whisker, lol!'s menu is in th upper right hand corner, so if you did not change it how did it get there then
[20:08] <brainwash> maybe you've re-added it to the panel
[20:09] <brainwash> so it's now the right most panel item
[20:09] <starrats> I could have but it went missing when i restarted my comp after a bunch of upgrades, I had to reinstall 14.04 because i was totally lockedout of everything at the password screen
[20:10] <starrats> yes it's the extreme right side next to the workspaces
[20:10] <brainwash> I've created a new user account some minutes ago and whisker menu is placed in the left top corner
[20:11] <Noskcaj> starrats, When you manually add stuff, it appears in the top right. Just go to the panel settings and move it back
[20:11] <starrats> ah okay I'll try that Noskcaj
[20:13] <brainwash> and please make sure that you verify your findings next time with a new user account or by reverting back to the default configuration
[20:14] <starrats> I moved whiskers back to the left side.  brainwash what do you mean?
[20:17] <brainwash> I mean that you should test the default configuration and see if there really is something buggy
[20:18] <brainwash> otherwise it's very likely that your current configuration might be the cause
[20:19] <starrats> ah ok
[20:20] <jhenke> brainwash thanks
[20:44] <jhenke> good night
[22:11] <olbi> hi guys, when will be update of lang files for thunar 1.6.3? :)
[22:13] <Noskcaj> olbi, The best method would be to ask upstream for a new release, which would contain a lot of updates. I think we translate it too, not 100% sure
[22:14] <Noskcaj> olbi, We don't translate it, but a new upstream release would add all the translations listed at http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/log/
[22:16] <olbi> thx