[00:01] it appears that button-layout no lower works [00:04] !ops > sultanselephant [00:04] sultanselephant, please see my private message [00:05] sultanselephant, windows 7 or what [00:06] !ops > optrusty [00:06] optrusty, please see my private message [00:07] optrusty: what [00:08] the irc client? [00:09] sultanselephant, like what kind of windows did ubuntu erase [00:09] optrusty: oh i was being sarcastic [00:10] caps is sarcasm in my head [00:10] Erm updated my xubuntu 14.04 a few times & am now missing system sound icon in the taskbar, the properties say it should be there but It's not clickable or searchable anywhere. [00:10] was channeling the average ubuntu+1 user [00:10] people who just rush into the beta [00:10] sultanselephant, LOL [00:12] optrusty: erm, any particular reason for that factoid invocation? [00:19] anybody have problems [00:21] CyborgCygnus: do you still have 13.10 [00:22] optrusty, I did say 14.04 if you saw that. [00:23] CyborgCygnus: ok it might work try this [00:23] CyborgCygnus: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html [00:23] !hi > optrusty [00:24] !fishing [00:24] Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [00:24] hi me > optrusty [00:24] what about msg ubottu factoid [00:24] thats what i d [00:25] oh that is handy [00:26] !phising scam > ubbottu [00:26] !phising scam > ubottu [00:27] o sweet ubottu has a !bang on duckduckgo [00:27] optrusty: please investigate with ubottu using /msg ubottu whatever, instead of poking the channel with factoid requests [00:27] ok [00:27] !botabuse > optrusty [00:27] optrusty, please see my private message [00:28] f [00:28] f [00:28] f [00:28] f [00:28] f [00:28] !thanks [00:28] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [00:28] ffff [00:28] f [00:29] optrusty: cut it out, please [00:29] are you a op [00:29] optrusty: it doesn't matter. use this channel for pre-release version discussion and support. [00:29] !hallmonitor [00:29] that used to be a great factoid [00:29] rip [00:30] sultanselephant: that's never been a factoid here. [00:30] !hallmoniter > optrusty [00:30] * rww sighs [00:30] optrusty: do you have some 14.04 discussion and support to engage in? [00:30] !prayer [00:30] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette, and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines, and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language, or leisurely op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [00:31] sultanselephant: same question as above. [00:31] rww: its a rare thing to find humor in here [00:31] ok ok [00:31] that's because it's a *support* channel. if you want to chat, go to #ubuntu-offtopic [00:32] dunno i think its for discussion and in the same vein as -offtopic [00:32] after all its not yet supported [00:32] Discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Factoids are not pre-release versions of Ubuntu. === slyrus_ is now known as slyrus [01:03] after running apt-get dist-upgrade in my home folder i have two new files named upstart-dbus-bridge.11613.pid and upstart-file-bridge.11613.pid what are these files and why were they created can i delete them and if not where should i move them to [01:05] basketball: That's interesting - I wouldn't have expected those [01:08] penguin42, what do i do [01:09] basketball: I'd bet that if you reboot you could safely delete them afterwards - but it's an interesting observation, it suggestions there is a missing path somewhere [01:09] i have rebooted and they are still there [01:10] it has been there for several days [01:13] hello. i just did a dist-upgrade on trusty and now any text entered into my dash shows up as rectangles [01:13] basketball: I'd bet you could probably delete them now, but wouldn't be 100% sure [01:13] anyway, bed [01:14] hey rww you know this stuff have any idea [01:14] I can't get Bluetooth to work on Ubuntu 14.04. I paired my tablet and computer but sending files appears to be impossible -- both devices report errors when I try to send files from either one. === harris is now known as basketball === basketball is now known as harris === harris is now known as basketball === basketball is now known as harris === harris is now known as basketball === basketball is now known as harris === harris is now known as basketball === `Fibz`` is now known as `Fibz [02:17] when i had 13.10 ubuntu reconized my usb printer without me having to install drivers or anything but now when i plug in the printer it doesnt show up [02:20] i have the cd with the drivers but it is only for windows and mac how do i use it in ubuntu [02:24] <`Fibz> havent used ubuntu since unity... there should be a settings manager with a printer applet, there you should be able to click an add button and select the closest match for the make/model of the printer [02:27] `Fibz, my printer doesnt show up in the add list [02:28] <`Fibz> is there one that is a close match? like same series but different number? [02:28] <`Fibz> this would help, what porinter? [02:28] <`Fibz> printer* [02:28] basketball, you could use a browser to http://localhost:631 and do it there [02:44] There no torrents of the daily iso? [02:49] !daily [02:49] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [02:50] Beldar Yes, no .torrents there, but thanks :) [02:51] andrewaclt, You can use a sync after downloading it, but torrents are only on releases [02:52] Probably quicker to torrent the beta then and just upgrade from there since it's going to take me 19 hours to download from ubuntu servers for some reason [02:52] Beldar, when i plug ibn my usb printer and go to settings and click add the printer does not show up in the list [02:53] there is no official torrent until release I believe [02:54] I just use rsync to download and sync [02:55] Beldar, http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ has beta 2 torrents [02:56] cool I did not know that. [02:56] thanks [03:04] Beldar, do you have any idea [03:05] <`Fibz> what printer [03:13] it is a hp office jet 100 mobile printer === binaryhermit_ is now known as binaryhermit [03:23] <`Fibz> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=2020&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&sw_lang=&product=4231408#N185 [03:24] <`Fibz> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_100_mobile_l411.html [03:32] `Fibz, what do i do with those [04:45] wth how do i get my printer to show up in the add lsit [04:53] `Fibz, i just ran lsusb and my printer is not showing up on that list [04:54] and it does not show up on that website the http://localhost:631/ [05:04] Ok i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems#USB_printer to try to fix it and when i reconnected the printer and ran in that tail command i got a bunch of errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/7210911/ [05:35] man fxload ... -D devpath Specifies the "usbfs" path name for the device in question, such as /proc/bus/usb/004/080. [05:35] /proc/bus$ ls ... input pc [05:35] where did usb go? [06:25] hi [06:26] if I install 14.04 will I have the newest gnome 3.10 if I install it with default commands? [06:26] anyone using network-manager-openvpn-gnome ?? [06:26] or should I add some repo for that? [06:42] Is 14.04 stable release even out yet? [06:43] Can't you check a file within the website directory for the release to check what is in it? [06:43] Or type a command in a terminal to check? [06:44] CyborgCygnus: it goes stable on the 17th [07:09] Hi. I just tested the Kubuntu 14.04 beta. If you choose german during installation you end up on a half translated KDE session. Is this a bug or expected behaviour? [07:20] how can I tell the version of Gnome I am using, trusty [07:20] think it's mostly 3.10 [07:20] !info gnome-shell trusty [07:21] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.10.4-0ubuntu5 (trusty), package size 299 kB, installed size 1039 kB [07:21] oh gnome-session --version GNOME Shell 3.10.4 [07:21] rww: thanks for that [07:21] your nick reminds me of rw/lr BBC permissions [07:54] is there any workaround for this on xubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-volman/+bug/1210898 ? and why is it marked as low shouldnt it be showstopper or "cant ship an OS without this fixed" [07:54] Launchpad bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] [08:57] nonuby: Why do you think automount is a showstopper? [08:58] nonuby: and the workaround is mentioned in the bug report referenced: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193 [08:58] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9193 in General "Automount doesn't work." [Normal,New] [09:00] anyone which php version has 14.04 by default? [09:00] PatBateman: packages.ubuntu.com will tell you [09:00] checing thx [09:18] hey guys - I'm running 14.04 latest on my dell latitude. in the power settings for "when power falls below critical level", I only see hibernate and shutdown. There is no suspend and even hibernate is grayed out. My laptop now shuts down without warning. === croppa_ is now known as croppa [09:39] Hi, anyone interested in helping mi tracking down why acpi is not working on a new thinkpad T440p with the current nightly [09:39] The laptop seems to be working fully on 12.04.4 [09:43] ElLute, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/IRC - #thinkwiki ##ibmthinkpad #hdaps #thinkpad-forum [10:12] hello, I did a fresh install from the beta2 on my u36sd laptop, run gnome-shell, and it seems my screen wont sleep. It won't even dim after a while. However, setting the timeout manually by "xset dpms 0 0 600" works. Is this a bug with gnome-settings-daemon or something? [10:13] I tried looking at LP but I couln't find any related bugs for trusty, but I rather ask here first, because it has probably already been reported [10:36] 'Morning all [11:15] @bekks mounting removable storage is pretty critical to a normal desktop experience (unless you advocate xubuntu is only for dev/sysops etc..), thanks for pointing out the workaround although still such common use should require a workaround and certainly should be marked low 20 days prior to a release [11:15] should require --> shouldnt require [11:19] It isnt even vital. It is a nice feature, it doesnt break anything at all. The use can stikll work flawlessly, and has to do ONE manual step only. Thats totally acceptable for NOT marking a bug as "showstopper", "breaker" or even "critical". [11:20] It's like you car has a broken window winder, and you are insisting you cant drive that car anymore at all :) [11:20] bekks, we disagree on this, pissing around with a wrapper script with a sleep a solution isnt an out the box solutions, lets just hope its get fixed before release [11:20] its a problem if on launch day all 11,000 preorder cars have fucked wipers yes [11:21] Can you watch your language please? If not, this discussion is over now. [11:21] with a Low priority though its may be like the mess with 13.04 or 12.10 with the stalled login that took 2 minutes [11:22] Even 11.000 broken window winders will nont make cars unusable, in fact. It may be a problem, but that problem doesnt break onee single care. [11:22] car. [11:22] unless it rains.. [11:22] anyway, we disagree.. [11:23] The car will still be usable, even in rain. Wet, but usable. [11:23] yes, but if manufacturers realises 20 days before launch day that they were in this position this might not rank it as low priority to ship a car with working wipers [11:24] And even if it isnt low prio it will not break a single car. [11:24] analogies always break down, we disagree on the matter.. [11:24] No one will jump off a bridge just because this feature isnt working. It isnt critical. [11:24] However. [11:24] although someone might crash... analogies [11:25] Some people even die standing next to their car watching at the broken winder. Possibilities. Analogies. [11:26] i couldnt give someone a USB stick with 14.04 on 26th (assumption - because Low it wont be fixed in ~20 days) on say check on this lightweight distro that out the box just works (just not heavy on resources) when they cant frickin mount a USB stick without a workaround that most wont know how to use [11:27] Then comment on that bug and insist on marking it a total breaker. I dont thing you will be successful but thats your only chance. And dont stop in the middle of the highway ot watch your broken winder. You might get hit by a truck. [11:28] the intent was to get it bumped to High, because plug in USB sticks and drives is a regular task for most users [11:29] what bug number is this? [11:29] regular!=critical [11:29] @penguin42 [11:29] that is what happened to me, even though FGLRX was still installed and loaded in the kernel [11:29] my laptop with Intel 4000 graphics still works fine after the update [11:29] yeah this morning/ last night my system fell over as a partial upgrade broke isc-dhcp-client [11:29] dhcp was also broken for me, yes [11:29] but I believe that is fixed now [11:29] nonuby: Discussing bug in IRC will not raise their priority in launchpad, not at all. Submit your comments to the bug, to raise the bug heat. [11:29] but the graphics issue is still there [11:29] please vote for the bug and add your findings [11:29] [11:29] * Loaded log from Sat Apr 5 11:06:53 2014 [11:29] [11:29] * Now talking on #ubuntu+1 [11:30] * Topic for #ubuntu+1 is: Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the channel for discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Pre-release versions are unstable and will probably break your computer somehow. | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule | Daily ISO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current | Release estimate: April 17th [11:30] * Topic for #ubuntu+1 set by rww!robert@rww.name at Thu Mar 27 07:14:03 2014 [11:30] -ChanServ- [#ubuntu+1] Welcome to #ubuntu+1. Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService [11:30] * roasted (~quassel@c-50-164-114-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu+1 ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.") [11:30] is there any workaround for this on xubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thun [11:30] Ignore set for spamming. [11:30] whoops, bad parse [11:30] bug number: 1210898 [11:30] bug 1210898 [11:30] bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 [11:30] I dont think thats a critical show stopper that breaks the entire release cycle :) [11:31] this bug is for 13.10 version [11:32] also for 14.04 ? [11:32] nonuby: Given that the upstream bug is still open, it sounds like they need to go and fix it - go get them to fix thunar and then someone could pull the fix in [11:33] how do I find who is responsible then if not the distro? Benedikt Meurer last article is aug 06, yes im runing 14.04 [11:33] mm, ok http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1210898 [11:33] nonuby: Because that bug has an upstream bug link [11:34] nonuby: See https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193 [11:34] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9193 in General "Automount doesn't work." [Normal,New] [11:35] Normal priority is a little more appeasing.. :) [11:36] nonuby: So, tell me, how easy is it to work around; it says automounting isn't working - but from the thunar gui can you then mount it with a few clicks or do you have to pop a shell open? [11:45] thunar (the default file manager, folder show in an xubuntu install) doesnt seem to show an option to mount it, i believe its something to do with udisks2 calls thunar-volman which then send a message to thunar instance to show the drive [11:47] hmm I would have been tempted to set it a bit higher than low then - I normally reserve low for things that have an easy work around or are totally irrelevant, but I agree mounting a thumb drive is a bit more than that [11:47] nonuby: But in the end , I still think it's upstream that have to go and fix it first [11:49] nonuby: It's going to take someone who understands the innards of Thunar to fix it === LjL-Gay is now known as LjL [12:26] hi, I want to file a bug-report [12:27] ElLute: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu [12:28] make sure its not already there [12:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe?action=show&redirect=KernelTeam%2FCrashdumpRecipe [12:29] im currently reading through this, because the problem appears during startup on my thinkpad if i want to boot with acpi activated [12:30] Is it possible to replace the kernel in the ISO boot image easily? [12:31] Did anybody notice that notification applet is acting up in xfce? [12:32] Elvanor, do you mean use a different kernel at boot/grub? [12:33] majod: how do i set the different parameters for this different kernels? [12:35] ElLute: sorry i cant help you,i dont have experience with this [12:39] BluesKaj: yes [12:39] but it is not present on the ISO, so I must add it manually === beidl_ is now known as beidl [12:44] Elvanor, add the kernel manually, how? [12:46] BluesKaj: to the USB key I boot from [12:46] dont know if it is possible [12:47] Elvanor: yo can modify an ISO, the only problem is the installer works with your new ISO. [12:48] Elvanor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [12:48] Elvanor, not that I know of , you have to add the kernel to grub after installing the [12:48] OS [12:49] that's the usual method [12:50] Elvanor: And yes, after installing the system you can add a PPA repository with your kernel, and update the system [12:51] there's no guarantee that a kernel not included and modded for a particular OS will install the OS properly [12:51] install with the OS [12:51] can someone help me solve my issue with unable to installing .deb files with ubuntu software center? all .debs fail to install, but with dpkg -i it runs successfuly [12:53] majod: try to open terminal and write "sudo -s" and "software-center" [12:54] ok wait, let me download some .deb i dont already have [12:55] Crashbit: what exactly am i supposed to see? [12:56] i only got 2014-04-06 14:55:41,605 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.app - INFO - setting up proxy 'None' [12:56] not even the software center started up [12:57] majod, why not add the debs to your sources.list and update then upgrade r install the apps contained in the repos [12:57] upgrade or install [12:57] BluesKaj: how am i supposed to install skype for example? [12:58] and why would i even do that, if i can just download deb, double click and insatll? [12:58] majod: skype already exists in ubuntu [12:58] great. but that doesnt solve the problem with software center installing .debs [12:58] cant install venom, steam [12:58] but steam already exists in ubuntu [12:59] you don't need a .deb [12:59] but what if i want to install with deb? [12:59] why does it have to end with "package installation failed"? [12:59] it's strange [12:59] majod, software center looks at the sources.list for the repositories and all package managers use dpkg as the base for them [12:59] and when clicking on "details" theres no error [13:00] BluesKaj: so what does it mean? [13:00] when i do dpkg -i , it installs fine...when i double click on it, it doesnt install [13:00] !packages [13:00] You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !KPackageKit, !Adept, "apt-cache search ", or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 30000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways! [13:02] but...thats just avoiding the solution by some workaround, which doesnt even work for every software...when someone just provides .deb file on a website, i cant do anything but to download it and isntall from it [13:02] majod: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/360155/test/Captura%20de%202014-04-06%2015%3A00%3A15.png and I have steam and skype [13:03] majod: but your problem with software-center and .debs is strange [13:03] but i believe you...i can also see steam in software center [13:03] not skype tho [13:04] but when i have .deb on my disk...and doubleclick on it...i expect it to install...not that i have to run terminal and dpkg it [13:04] majod, 14.04 is a devel OS afterall, and skypw isn't really well supported in Linux since MS bought the company [13:04] but the problem is not about skype [13:04] majod: yo can open other programs requiero root access from GUI, for example gnome-control-center user and accounts and unlock it ? [13:04] its about debs [13:04] please... [13:05] Crashbit: let me try but i guess theres no problem with that [13:05] sure, unlocked... [13:05] what happens with software center is: i doubleclick .deb, software center opens and starts to install [13:06] downloads everything, "applying changes" [13:06] and at the end [13:07] i just get an error message saying: "package operation failed: the installation or removal of a software package failed" [13:07] i click "details" and theres simple output from installing but with absolutely no errors [13:08] and the software is not listed as installed...when i do dpkg -i package, it prints the same output, but installs just fine. [13:09] majod: You can try to launch it from console with --force-rtl [13:09] majod: software-center --force-rtl yourpackename.deb [13:10] what is --force-rtl? [13:10] it's for debuggin [13:10] ok [13:10] do i have to be su? [13:10] no, withoutroot [13:10] ok [13:10] i know :þ [13:11] why is actually right to left for debugging? :D [13:12] 2014-04-06 15:12:06,477 - softwarecenter.backend - ERROR - error in _on_trans_finished 'Error: Package operation failed [13:12] The installation or removal of a software package failed. [13:13] Crashbit: http://pastebin.com/iYMF0EvC [13:15] just use the default skype package in the repos [13:15] ok, lets not install skype but something else [13:15] http://wiki.tox.im/binaries [13:16] majod, what's your OS , 14.04? [13:16] yes [13:16] then use the default packages instead of importing debs that may not worj for 14.04 [13:17] work [13:17] is there any .deb i can try that is guaranteed to work with 14.04? [13:18] majod, yes in the 14/04 ppas or the package managers [13:18] BluesKaj: [13:18] 2014-04-06 15:11:14,815 - softwarecenter.db.pkginfo_impl.aptcache - INFO - aptcache.open() [13:19] 2014-04-06 15:11:15,070 - softwarecenter.backend.reviews - WARNING - error creating bsddb: '(22, 'Invalid argument -- BDB0054 illegal flag combination specified to DB_ENV->open')' (corrupted?) [13:19] 2014-04-06 15:11:15,070 - softwarecenter.backend.reviews - ERROR - trying to repair DB failed [13:19] Traceback (most recent call last): [13:19] BluesKaj: maybe the database is corrupted [13:19] BBL, stuff to do [13:19] BluesKaj: But I I'm not sure [13:19] i guess thats for me [13:20] yes, sorry [13:20] :) [13:20] his repos / sources.list might contain unsuitable debs [13:20] ok. idk what to do with it...its true that software itried to install doesnt say which ubuntu version it supports...but its strange that it works with dpkg, but not with software center [13:21] anyway gone for now [13:21] it doesnt work with fresh install [13:21] majod: try tu purge software-center and reinstall it [13:21] hmmmm [13:22] wait [13:22] btw...software center is still 13.10 version [13:23] Setting up software-center (13.10-0ubuntu3) ... [13:23] crashbit@crashbit-Dell-System-XPS-L321X:~$ software-center --version [13:23] software-center 13.10 [13:23] yes, it's ok [13:24] ok, obviously purging and reinstalling didnt help [13:24] i guess it might be unsupported packages [13:24] but still idk why dpkg installs it fine then [13:24] You prove it after reinstall ? [13:24] yes, just tried it [13:25] btw...you said you have skype in software center? which source is it? i checked all but i can get skype only from official page [13:26] majod: I put an image with my sources [13:26] majod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7212346/ [13:27] majod: but you can try to open a bug with the debugging info [13:28] yeah i was thinking about it but i think i wont...looks like im the only one with that problem [13:28] I undestand you have an updated system [13:28] of course [13:29] Sorry, I can't reproduce your problem [13:29] okay. thank you very much for your help! [13:29] sorry to bother [13:34] hi there, i've been using 14.04, and i've installed gnome-shell, but on the login, i don't find the button to switch DE, am i missing something? [13:34] so who killed UNR? [13:37] what do you mean who killed it ? [13:38] it was retired [13:38] and the product merged into ubuntu [13:41] ikonia: it doesn't work on a 1024x900 screen,all the dialouges are too big [13:42] what doesn't ? [13:42] Unity works fine here on 1024x600 [13:43] bekks: no, it doesn't, the upgrade dialouge is too damn big, it isn't displayed and client is complaning that they can't see buttons [13:45] this is an AOD250, basically an older netbook === miraiE is now known as mamat [13:57] to anyone that cares, the Ubuntu+1 community really needs to offer support for netbooks, else you are all going to take a hit in usership.. fix the netbook release. Or die as an OS, those are the options i see [13:57] ok, thanks [13:57] noted [13:58] Netbooks are actually already dead again. :) [13:58] Thats why displays grew again. [13:58] ikonia: you've been a great friend over the years, and i offer my respect, i hope you can UNR rebooted in time [13:58] I have no interest in unr - it's dead [13:58] I suggest you focus on swapping distros as you said to find a solution [13:59] bekks: I have Arch running on a 13 year old desktop that the ubuntu kerenl wouldn't boot on, what's wrong here? [14:00] nothing to do with this channel [14:00] I dont care a second about arch anymore, which I used myself for about 6 years in the past. I quit using it for good reasons, and all of these are offtopic in here. [14:00] please stop trying to provoke a problem [14:00] you've said you are dumping ubuntu - it doesn't work for you, fine, please do s [14:00] move on [14:00] ikonia: then Cononical is to be accused of the same atrocity that Apple anf Oracle is. [14:00] not interested in that [14:01] I suggest you move onto a distro that meets your needs [14:01] i'll disengage now, good bye [14:01] don't want to discuss it any more [14:01] thanks [14:02] "Oh no, 2 days till deadline and suddenly and unexpected I noticed that something I promised to the customer doesnt work. Now lets see wether I can sue the community to make the world turn into the other direction." [14:03] Isn't it possible to resize the upgrade window? [14:04] Hey guys! Am I the only one who's missing 3 and 4 finger multitouch gestures in 14.04? [14:05] I really liked those in 12.04 [14:25] i have started having a problem with my wireless connection to my hotspot, keeps droping connection for about 2 minutes then reconnects, running off my usb stick with 14.04 it works fine. so there is something in my laptop that is configed wrong , was working fine upto about a week ago. [14:54] I've just realized that there is no settings for add or edit user group in kubuntu system settings [15:05] hello, on Ubuntu 14.04 with stable 3.14 kernel I have a stack trace with indicator-cpufreq [15:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/fxload fxload (0.0.20081013... ) there is a much more current version. Is there any chance of getting it into trusty? [15:20] I forget what the policy is for [universe] stuff [15:28] anyone managed to run popcorn time on trusty? [16:18] hi [16:18] does anyone know how i get the kernel log of a previous, failed startup? [16:19] it depends how far it got [16:19] ElLute: Check /var/log/dmesg or dmesg.0 to see if it's got the previous version in - but if the bootup failed before the logging stuff managed to write it to disk it won't have anything [16:19] i have lvm on dm-crypt, i can enter the password and then it says that it is not able to mount swap [16:20] hmm, that might not be a kernel level issue [16:20] see if there are any logs in /var/log/upstart from that boot [16:20] ok, /var/log/dmesg seems to be the log from the previous startup [16:21] the problem is, i have a new laptop, if i start up without acpi it is working, with acpi i need to debug now :) [16:22] hth does acpi change whether it can mount swap.... [16:23] ElLute: If this is a new laptop I'd try a simple installation without crypt/lvm first and debug your acpi issues on a simple setup first [16:25] the live-start had already the same problems... hanging during startup [16:28] penguin42: I wanted to slide the laptop from development and trial machine directly to production after stable release of 14.04, but it seems i have to setup anyways to steps [16:28] ElLute: What's the laptop and what's the misbehaviour? [16:28] thinkpad t440p [16:28] acpi=off it boots up fine [16:29] default it hangs somewhere in the startup process [16:30] with the encrypted lvm it tells sometimes things about ext4 issues which disappear with acpi=off and other times it just halts [16:31] penguin42: do you know maybe how i can give the crashdump kernel different parameters as the normal? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe [16:31] I've not used crashdump [16:33] Actually its not even a kernel crash, since the kernel already booted, passed control to init, and dm-crypt is nont able to unnlock swap properly. [16:33] hmm, t440p - I'd look at others hitting similar things; Lenovo sometimes do odd things - I used to have a w520 I had to guess some parameters for [16:34] 12.04.4 seems to work fine, but I thought since I have a machine available for playing around right at the release, I would like to contribute a little bit of testing [16:34] ElLute: Take the 'quiet' off the boot line in grub, and see if you get any more detail on the console - if you get a backtrace or anything then take a screenshot and lets see [16:34] i remove quiet and splash? [16:35] it is quite a long time since I lastly dug so deep in the system (blush) [16:35] ElLute: Yeh get some detail out of it [16:35] ElLute: Does that model have Nvidia and Intel graphics? [16:35] is there a verbouse option [16:35] jup, both [16:36] ElLute: Just a gut feeling, try it on Intel only - I used to have a w520 that lost all its interrupts on Nvidia [16:36]