[19:52] <s-fox> Hello elfy
[19:52] <elfy> hi
[19:56] <s-fox> Hello coffeecat
[19:57] <s-fox> So shall we start?
[19:58] <s-fox> elfy:  howefield coffeecat
[19:58] <howefield> sounds good
[19:59] <coffeecat> o/
[20:01] <elfy> #startmeeting
[20:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Apr  6 20:01:14 2014 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:01] <elfy> #chair coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox
[20:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox
[20:02] <elfy> agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[20:02] <elfy> and is short :)
[20:02] <elfy> #topic Moderator Polling
[20:02] <elfy> so a quick update of where we are
[20:02] <coffeecat> Meetingology seems to think there are 4 chairs. Just thought I'd let you know. ;-)
[20:02] <meetingology> coffeecat: Error: "seems" is not a valid command.
[20:03] <elfy> we have 2 nominations from people other than the Forum Council
[20:03] <elfy> we have 4 nominations from us
[20:04] <elfy> so the question is - do we carry on knowing that 4 of the 6 are people that we nominated - or do we put this down to us not letting enough people know
[20:04] <elfy> EVEN if we did let those who could actually vote and nominate know
[20:05] <elfy> I note that not 1 nomination came from anyone on the current moderation team
[20:05] <elfy> update updated :)
[20:05] <elfy> comments from the rest of us please :)
[20:05] <howefield> my feeling is that we have enough candidates for a ballot, so would be good to continue the process.
[20:06] <howefield> I acknowledge that the lack of self nominated candidate is not a great place to be though.
[20:08] <s-fox> I think the situation is not ideal but I have faith in the names in front of us
[20:09] <howefield> yep, me too
[20:10] <coffeecat> On the one hand it would be good to have a ballot if only to see how many members actually bothered to vote.  On the other we have 6 names we are happy with and if we are happy to appoint six, then the vote becomes a bit pointless.
[20:10] <elfy> my issue is
[20:11] <elfy> if we had 6 people that were nominated by Forum Members then that would be great
[20:11] <elfy> we are in a position where not only would we be happy with the 2 that were nominated by other than us
[20:11] <elfy> we would also be happy with the 4 that we had to nominate
[20:11] <elfy> at that point we're running a rigged ballot
[20:12] <elfy> in so many words
[20:12] <howefield> the process ensures that the FC are happy with all candidates put forward.
[20:12] <s-fox> o/
[20:12] <elfy> I'd prefer us to learn from this - while we only have a cetain group of people who can vote - there's nothing to stop us letting the WHOLE forum know
[20:12] <elfy> I think we mucked up there
[20:12] <elfy> s-fox: go
[20:13] <s-fox> Rigged, possibly but no different to how we've worked before behind closed doors. This was a spectacular failure but we should learn from it.
[20:14] <elfy> yes - same as before, possibly we should have included the whole forum in the 'knowing' at least
[20:15] <howefield> that would be reasonable, imho.
[20:15] <s-fox> Perhaps the whole forum to vote, but only candidates be the ubuntu forum members
[20:15] <elfy> s-fox: not sure about that
[20:16] <elfy> not sure we can poll on the forum and only let people vote the once
[20:16] <s-fox> Hello Iowan
[20:16] <elfy> #chair Iowan
[20:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: Iowan coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox
[20:17] <coffeecat> all 5 of us appear to be chair. Shouldn't the comand be vote?
[20:18] <elfy> coffeecat: doesn't matter I think
[20:18] <elfy> and when there's a vote I'll do that
[20:18] <coffeecat> ok - never seen a m e etiunglology tab before.
[20:18] <elfy> how safe would a forum wide poll be?
[20:18] <elfy> coffeecat: meetingology has changed lately
[20:19] <elfy> I'm not sure that I would be happy with a poll forum wide to be honest - one of the points of forum membership was they would get a say
[20:19] <howefield> we need to get past the issue of securing sufficent candidates before worrying about voting :)
[20:19] <coffeecat> forum wide poll *should* be safe. If we ever got to the point of having one, we could investigate if there was a really weird result for one person.
[20:19] <elfy> even if it does look like they aren't interested
[20:20] <elfy> howefield: agreed
[20:20] <elfy> Iowan: you caught up on the logs ?
[20:20] <Iowan> not quite...
[20:20] <elfy> the way I see it for now is we vote on
[20:21] <elfy> 1 - carry on with a poll with the names we have given the cons of where we are
[20:21] <elfy> 2 - go back to the old way this time and advertise the whole polling issue more widely next time
[20:23] <elfy> just wait for Iowan to catch up and comment
[20:23] <Iowan> I think I have the gist...
[20:23] <elfy> ok
[20:23] <Iowan> Dunno that I have a lot to comment.
[20:24] <elfy> ok
[20:24] <Iowan> Turnout was underwhelming...
[20:24] <elfy> s-fox coffeecat howefield Iowan - happy to vote ?
[20:24] <Iowan> OK
[20:25] <howefield> sure - go ahead, thanks.
[20:25] <coffeecat> yep
[20:25] <elfy> #voters elfy howefield s-fox coffeecat Iowan
[20:25] <meetingology> Current voters: Iowan coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox
[20:26] <elfy> #vote Complete poll with the nominees we have currently
[20:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: Complete poll with the nominees we have currently
[20:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:26] <howefield> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from howefield
[20:26] <Iowan> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:26] <coffeecat> -1
[20:26] <meetingology> -1 received from coffeecat
[20:26] <s-fox> -1
[20:26] <meetingology> -1 received from s-fox
[20:27] <elfy> -1
[20:27] <meetingology> -1 received from elfy
[20:27] <elfy> #endvote
[20:27] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Complete poll with the nominees we have currently
[20:27] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:3 Abstentions:0
[20:27] <meetingology> Motion denied
[20:27] <s-fox> It just doesn't feel right
[20:28] <howefield> problem is, it doesn't feel right either way :(
[20:28] <elfy> #vote Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time
[20:28] <meetingology> Please vote on: Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time
[20:28] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:28] <elfy> +1
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[20:28] <howefield> -1
[20:28] <meetingology> -1 received from howefield
[20:28] <coffeecat> +1
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:28] <elfy> howefield: yea I agree
[20:28] <Iowan> +0
[20:28] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[20:28] <s-fox> +1
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[20:29] <elfy> #endvote
[20:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time
[20:29] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1
[20:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:29] <elfy> ok - thanks for that bit then
[20:29] <elfy> #topic AOB
[20:29] <elfy> Anyone got anything else they want to talk to us about?
[20:30] <Iowan> AOB?
[20:30] <elfy> or indeed anyone of us want to talk about anything else :)
[20:30] <elfy> any other business
[20:30] <Iowan> Tnx
[20:30] <s-fox> The CSS thing is still waiting on IS input
[20:30] <elfy> s-fox: there is a ticket for it isn't there?
[20:31] <s-fox> Yes
[20:31] <elfy> anyone up for taking an action to contact them?
[20:31] <s-fox> I'll prod in the morning
[20:32] <elfy> ok
[20:32] <elfy> #action s-fox to contact Canonical IS re mobile theme
[20:32] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to contact Canonical IS re mobile theme
[20:32] <elfy> anything else from anyone?
[20:32] <howefield> not from me, thanks.
[20:33] <Iowan> NAda
[20:33] <coffeecat> not here
[20:33] <s-fox> Nothing else.
[20:33] <elfy> #topic Team Report
[20:33] <elfy> who did that last time - was you I think s-fox ?
[20:34] <s-fox> Yes
[20:34]  * elfy thinks the new boy should do that at least once, just like I did it at least once :p
[20:34] <howefield> I should, not having done it yet.
[20:34] <elfy> #action howefield Team Report
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: howefield Team Report
[20:34] <howefield> :)
[20:34] <elfy> there are no votable Membership Applications at the moment
[20:35] <elfy> and the team report is now the only rotating thing we do now I believe
[20:35] <elfy> am I right?
[20:35] <howefield> indeed :)
[20:35] <Iowan> AFAIK, yes
[20:36] <elfy> #topic Next Meeting
[20:36] <elfy> the calendar show's 2 for May - there appears to be one for 19:00UTC - I think that was my mistake I'll contact them to do that
[20:37] <s-fox> We should change the time for the Americans / Canadians
[20:37] <elfy> #action elfy Clean up the Calendar
[20:37] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy Clean up the Calendar
[20:37] <howefield> that's a UK Bank Holiday weekend, is that an issue ?
[20:37] <elfy> s-fox: I asked in Admins thread
[20:37] <Iowan> This American is OK with anythiing after noon (locally)
[20:38] <elfy> :)
[20:38] <elfy> I think that cariboo907 is generally ok as well
[20:39] <elfy> lets talk about that amongst ourselves during the week then I'll deal with the calendar then
[20:39] <elfy> #undo
[20:39] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:39] <s-fox> +1
[20:39] <elfy> #action FC to discuss meeting times for next 6 months
[20:39] <meetingology> ACTION: FC to discuss meeting times for next 6 months
[20:39] <elfy> as they will be the summer time ones
[20:40] <elfy> #endmeeting
[20:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Apr  6 20:40:13 2014 UTC.
[20:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-06-20.01.moin.txt
[20:40] <elfy> thanks everyone :)
[20:40] <coffeecat> thanks elfy
[20:41] <s-fox> Thanks elfy
[20:41] <s-fox> :)
[20:42] <elfy> s-fox: just so long as you're not all full of cold next time ...