=== vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === doko_ is now known as doko [19:52] Hello elfy [19:52] hi [19:56] Hello coffeecat [19:57] So shall we start? [19:58] elfy: howefield coffeecat [19:58] sounds good [19:59] o/ [20:01] #startmeeting [20:01] Meeting started Sun Apr 6 20:01:14 2014 UTC. The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:01] #chair coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox [20:01] Current chairs: coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox [20:02] agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda [20:02] and is short :) [20:02] #topic Moderator Polling === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Moderator Polling [20:02] so a quick update of where we are [20:02] Meetingology seems to think there are 4 chairs. Just thought I'd let you know. ;-) [20:02] coffeecat: Error: "seems" is not a valid command. [20:03] we have 2 nominations from people other than the Forum Council [20:03] we have 4 nominations from us [20:04] so the question is - do we carry on knowing that 4 of the 6 are people that we nominated - or do we put this down to us not letting enough people know [20:04] EVEN if we did let those who could actually vote and nominate know [20:05] I note that not 1 nomination came from anyone on the current moderation team [20:05] update updated :) [20:05] comments from the rest of us please :) [20:05] my feeling is that we have enough candidates for a ballot, so would be good to continue the process. [20:06] I acknowledge that the lack of self nominated candidate is not a great place to be though. [20:08] I think the situation is not ideal but I have faith in the names in front of us [20:09] yep, me too [20:10] On the one hand it would be good to have a ballot if only to see how many members actually bothered to vote. On the other we have 6 names we are happy with and if we are happy to appoint six, then the vote becomes a bit pointless. [20:10] my issue is [20:11] if we had 6 people that were nominated by Forum Members then that would be great [20:11] we are in a position where not only would we be happy with the 2 that were nominated by other than us [20:11] we would also be happy with the 4 that we had to nominate [20:11] at that point we're running a rigged ballot [20:12] in so many words [20:12] the process ensures that the FC are happy with all candidates put forward. [20:12] o/ [20:12] I'd prefer us to learn from this - while we only have a cetain group of people who can vote - there's nothing to stop us letting the WHOLE forum know [20:12] I think we mucked up there [20:12] s-fox: go [20:13] Rigged, possibly but no different to how we've worked before behind closed doors. This was a spectacular failure but we should learn from it. [20:14] yes - same as before, possibly we should have included the whole forum in the 'knowing' at least [20:15] that would be reasonable, imho. [20:15] Perhaps the whole forum to vote, but only candidates be the ubuntu forum members [20:15] s-fox: not sure about that [20:16] not sure we can poll on the forum and only let people vote the once [20:16] Hello Iowan [20:16] #chair Iowan [20:16] Current chairs: Iowan coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox [20:17] all 5 of us appear to be chair. Shouldn't the comand be vote? [20:18] coffeecat: doesn't matter I think [20:18] and when there's a vote I'll do that [20:18] ok - never seen a m e etiunglology tab before. [20:18] how safe would a forum wide poll be? [20:18] coffeecat: meetingology has changed lately [20:19] I'm not sure that I would be happy with a poll forum wide to be honest - one of the points of forum membership was they would get a say [20:19] we need to get past the issue of securing sufficent candidates before worrying about voting :) [20:19] forum wide poll *should* be safe. If we ever got to the point of having one, we could investigate if there was a really weird result for one person. [20:19] even if it does look like they aren't interested [20:20] howefield: agreed [20:20] Iowan: you caught up on the logs ? [20:20] not quite... [20:20] the way I see it for now is we vote on [20:21] 1 - carry on with a poll with the names we have given the cons of where we are [20:21] 2 - go back to the old way this time and advertise the whole polling issue more widely next time [20:23] just wait for Iowan to catch up and comment [20:23] I think I have the gist... [20:23] ok [20:23] Dunno that I have a lot to comment. [20:24] ok [20:24] Turnout was underwhelming... [20:24] s-fox coffeecat howefield Iowan - happy to vote ? [20:24] OK [20:25] sure - go ahead, thanks. [20:25] yep [20:25] #voters elfy howefield s-fox coffeecat Iowan [20:25] Current voters: Iowan coffeecat elfy howefield s-fox [20:26] #vote Complete poll with the nominees we have currently [20:26] Please vote on: Complete poll with the nominees we have currently [20:26] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:26] +1 [20:26] +1 received from howefield [20:26] +1 [20:26] +1 received from Iowan [20:26] -1 [20:26] -1 received from coffeecat [20:26] -1 [20:26] -1 received from s-fox [20:27] -1 [20:27] -1 received from elfy [20:27] #endvote [20:27] Voting ended on: Complete poll with the nominees we have currently [20:27] Votes for:2 Votes against:3 Abstentions:0 [20:27] Motion denied [20:27] It just doesn't feel right [20:28] problem is, it doesn't feel right either way :( [20:28] #vote Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time [20:28] Please vote on: Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time [20:28] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:28] +1 [20:28] +1 received from elfy [20:28] -1 [20:28] -1 received from howefield [20:28] +1 [20:28] +1 received from coffeecat [20:28] howefield: yea I agree [20:28] +0 [20:28] +0 received from Iowan [20:28] +1 [20:28] +1 received from s-fox [20:29] #endvote [20:29] Voting ended on: Complete this round using the previous method, and look at increasing the advertising in 6 months time [20:29] Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1 [20:29] Motion carried [20:29] ok - thanks for that bit then [20:29] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [20:29] Anyone got anything else they want to talk to us about? [20:30] AOB? [20:30] or indeed anyone of us want to talk about anything else :) [20:30] any other business [20:30] Tnx [20:30] The CSS thing is still waiting on IS input [20:30] s-fox: there is a ticket for it isn't there? [20:31] Yes [20:31] anyone up for taking an action to contact them? [20:31] I'll prod in the morning [20:32] ok [20:32] #action s-fox to contact Canonical IS re mobile theme [20:32] ACTION: s-fox to contact Canonical IS re mobile theme [20:32] anything else from anyone? [20:32] not from me, thanks. [20:33] NAda [20:33] not here [20:33] Nothing else. [20:33] #topic Team Report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Team Report [20:33] who did that last time - was you I think s-fox ? [20:34] Yes [20:34] * elfy thinks the new boy should do that at least once, just like I did it at least once :p [20:34] I should, not having done it yet. [20:34] #action howefield Team Report [20:34] ACTION: howefield Team Report [20:34] :) [20:34] there are no votable Membership Applications at the moment [20:35] and the team report is now the only rotating thing we do now I believe [20:35] am I right? [20:35] indeed :) [20:35] AFAIK, yes [20:36] #topic Next Meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Next Meeting [20:36] the calendar show's 2 for May - there appears to be one for 19:00UTC - I think that was my mistake I'll contact them to do that [20:37] We should change the time for the Americans / Canadians [20:37] #action elfy Clean up the Calendar [20:37] ACTION: elfy Clean up the Calendar [20:37] that's a UK Bank Holiday weekend, is that an issue ? [20:37] s-fox: I asked in Admins thread [20:37] This American is OK with anythiing after noon (locally) [20:38] :) [20:38] I think that cariboo907 is generally ok as well [20:39] lets talk about that amongst ourselves during the week then I'll deal with the calendar then [20:39] #undo [20:39] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [20:39] +1 [20:39] #action FC to discuss meeting times for next 6 months [20:39] ACTION: FC to discuss meeting times for next 6 months [20:39] as they will be the summer time ones [20:40] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:40] Meeting ended Sun Apr 6 20:40:13 2014 UTC. [20:40] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-06-20.01.moin.txt [20:40] thanks everyone :) [20:40] thanks elfy [20:41] Thanks elfy [20:41] :) [20:42] s-fox: just so long as you're not all full of cold next time ... === Zic_ is now known as Guest68868 === Guest68868 is now known as Zic