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mappsmorning03:39
daftykinsheya03:55
mappsstill up i assume..not just woken up/:p03:56
daftykinsyep, watching a film in a chan with US'ians03:57
daftykins"Surrogates" with Bruce Willis03:57
mappsah seen it04:09
mappsiirc was quite good04:09
mappsthat that chan you told me of before?04:09
daftykinsyep04:22
daftykins##club-nomicon the land of 24/7 nattering04:23
daftykinsmay not be so good whilst we're all annotating the film though :>04:23
mapps:)04:26
twager<brobostigon> 8c outside here, which for this time of the year, is good.07:27
twager<foobarry> the bigger story that they might make their own chips07:27
twager<shauno> this steamos stuff has me thinking about building a htpc all over again07:27
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twager* penguin42 (~dg@cpc24-salf5-2-0-cust195.10-2.cable.virginm.net) has joined #ubuntu-uk07:27
twager<foobarry> what hardware shauno ?07:27
twager<shauno> I have no idea yet.  that's the fun bit :)07:27
twager<foobarry> i have a pvr ..bit limited in that it is not internet connected, but lot less hassle and wife friendly/join #test07:27
twager<shauno> I have an appletv atm, that's been xbmc'd up the wazoo.  it's nice & tidy but a bit tired07:27
twager<shauno> although most m07:27
daftykins0o07:29
daftykinsyou appear to have pasted something07:30
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:43
SuperMattmorning09:06
brobostigonmorning SuperMatt09:08
SuperMatthow's things?09:08
brobostigonhalf asleep, and you?09:09
SuperMatthungover -.-09:10
brobostigon:(09:11
brobostigonoh dear.09:11
SuperMattyeah, well if I'm going to be out till 4.30, it's my own fault09:11
brobostigonexactly. self-inflicted.09:16
bashrcmorning10:15
brobostigonmorning bashrc10:15
* popey wonders if shauno or neuro are about for osx related questions11:35
neuroi is watching last night's saturday night live11:35
neurobut i is answerable for questionisting11:35
popeycoolio11:35
popeyFor when they return: I have an iMac running OSX 10.7.5 with 320GB disk which is ~full. I have bought a 2TB drive and tools to replace said drive, and a backup of the 320GB on an external 1TB USB disk.11:36
popeyWhat's the best way to migrate from the 320GB internal to a new 2TB internal disk?11:36
neurohttp://www.bombich.com/11:36
neurodownload carbon copy cloner from there11:37
neuroplug new drive in over usb11:38
neuroclone 320gb -> 2tb11:38
neuroswitch off mac11:38
neuroswap drives11:38
neuroturn on mac11:38
popeyhmm11:53
popeywill it make the partition bigger on the 2tb?11:54
* penguin42 would partition and dd stuff11:54
penguin42but then that's the way I swing11:55
popeyneed to find my external drive enclosure. wish I'd bought one of those ones where you just slot the drive in and don't have screws etc11:55
penguin42well, no one says you have to put the screws in11:58
popeywell, you know what i mean11:58
popeysomething less fiddly11:59
* penguin42 was copying a drive over iSCSI on Friday, not that hard one you persuade the thing to auth11:59
foobarryi hate chap12:11
penguin42indeed, although I was using it on my local network so I was just turning all auth off12:16
foobarrycan i run TRIM on my sdcard for my phone and put it back in to make it work better?12:30
ali1234no, because SD cards don't support TRIM12:31
foobarry:(12:32
foobarrysomething about my phone storage is mega slow now12:32
popeycan you run stuff like iotop to see whats eating it?12:55
leonhello? need some 'elp please13:01
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Guest67518hello?13:02
penguin42youtube seems to have gone all https13:07
penguin42doesn't seem all that happy13:07
foobarrylooking for a good 8 bit wario to make out of hama13:20
foobarrywario didn't  seem to be on any nes games13:24
ali1234wario was on gameboy though, and that was 8 bit13:37
ali1234"He first appeared in the 1992 Game Boy title Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins"13:37
popeynot in enough colour for hamma beads to be fun13:38
ali1234i think people forget how crappy 8 bit actually was13:39
ali1234generally they mean 16 bit :)13:39
ali1234sometimes 32-bit13:39
foobarryi'm thinking http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/10592138/13:44
dwatkinsDid someone say Game Boy? http://www.neatoshop.com/product/Gamer-Boy13:51
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)15:04
penguin42anyone else seeing problems with google the last couple of days - I suspect it's they seem to have gone all https, youtube is taking a while to open, but once opened it seems ok; the firefox search is generally not working15:06
foobarrynope15:11
penguin42maybe the problem is Virgin15:16
foobarryneed to get my stuff off ubuntu one before i forget15:47
mappsgah15:54
mappsa new ip again15:54
mappssky sucks15:54
directhexanyone want a cd stereo system thingy?16:08
directhexfree to a good home. or a bad one, i don't care16:08
daftykinswow VPNs can get messy20:15
BigRedShaha20:26
daftykinsthere's a plymouth uni student asking about them in #ubuntu20:28
daftykinsonly he gets some crazy networks when he connects20:28
diddledanhttp://g.bwlh.at/mJEEaRU1VW zoom out a bit20:33
diddledanVPNs _should_ be simple20:34
diddledan(once configged)20:34
daftykinsup for a challenge diddledan? :)20:34
daftykinsjamieshepherd_: are you ok with some of your pastebin's being repasted here?20:36
jamieshepherd_Yeah no problem20:36
jamieshepherd_Just need to get it sorted before I sleep so ;D20:36
daftykinslol, before you say, deadlines looming is it?20:37
jamieshepherd_Well I'm meant to be building the 3rd app tomorrow so20:37
jamieshepherd_Would like to stay on target :p20:37
daftykinsso jamie's trying to connect with a server in a data centre somewhere (i've also recommended setting up an ubuntu server VM) to his university VPN in order to get working on a webapp that needs to talk to a database hosted on the network there20:38
jamieshepherd_You explained that much better than I did too20:38
jamieshepherd_:D20:38
daftykinsthe last thing he was following was the lovely and up to date (not) command line guide with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN20:38
daftykinss/with/from/20:38
daftykinsi personally am going loopy over the networks he's getting presented with when connecting (from Windows as a test)20:39
daftykinsi was expecting to see a simple you are x.x.x.2 and the gateway is x.x.x.120:39
daftykinsbut instead he has - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214030/20:40
daftykinsfor reference his ipconfig on said windows box is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214048/20:40
daftykinsso the PPP adapter has the IP 141.163.192.21520:41
daftykinsyet the Windows routing table refers to a 192.168.192.215!?20:41
daftykinsthe two last octets match, with has me raising an eyebrow20:41
diddledanI don't see that ip20:41
daftykinswell it's a gateway listed in the routing table20:42
daftykins 141.163.0.0      255.255.0.0  192.168.192.215  141.163.192.215     1120:42
diddledanaah yes20:42
daftykinsi mean where in the *beep* does that come from O_O20:42
diddledanI would guess that's the PtP address20:43
daftykinsi was thinking he would need to edit "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/add-subnet" to contain something like:20:44
daftykinsroute add -net 141.163.192. <but what here!?>/32 dev $PPP_IFACE20:44
daftykinsor maybe it doesn't? i think i'm too newb for this one20:45
diddledanppp _should_ autoconfigure20:45
diddledanfor basic routing you don't need to add a custom config20:45
daftykinsso maybe just connect and see what happens?20:45
diddledanbingo20:45
jamieshepherd_If I just use pon plymuni though, I can't view web pages which are under the network :o20:46
jamieshepherd_Or ping them20:46
daftykinsalso, as it's in a data centre how do you sort the ^ DNS and gateway issues without trashing that server's own internet connectivity 0o20:46
jamieshepherd_But strangely the logs show that a connection has been made... ifconfig shows an adapter...20:46
diddledanyou need to add "nodefaultroute" to the config to prevent the internet connection from being subverted20:48
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jamieshepherd_Oh that's interesting20:48
diddledanhmm, maybe you do need to add a route for networks on the other side - I thought that was configured by the pppd20:51
daftykinsdiddledan: then as he needs to rely upon the department DNS to resolve department servers, how do you cheat that into the mix 0o i had a dirty hack idea of looking up the IPs from the windows connection, then just hardcoding them20:51
daftykinsthat'll need the route(s) in place if it's not obvious though of course20:51
jamieshepherd_I honestly had no idea VPN from ubuntu server was such a hard thing to do20:52
diddledanan example config suggests you don't need to add a gateway ip: route add -net 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev ppp020:52
jamieshepherd_It seems ridiculous that I can literally do it in 2 clicks on W8 :(20:52
diddledanjamieshepherd_: you can do it on ubuntu in 2 clicks if you have network manager and a gui installed20:52
jamieshepherd_Yeah my laptop is running ubuntu desktop20:52
jamieshepherd_Just a little upset that there isn't some program where you "vpn connection.com username password" and done :p20:53
daftykinsso i guess install a desktop ubuntu wherever you want to develop your web app from?20:53
daftykinshehe yeah20:53
BigRedSIt's not *that* hard with no GUI is it? It's been years since I last looked at it, but I thought the default config mostly worked20:54
daftykinsBigRedS: but surely if you replace your default gateway and DNS servers to make web traffic go over the VPN, you trash the internet connection allowing you to connect to said VPN in the first place20:55
jamieshepherd_I mean, to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214258/ - This tells me that I connected to the VPN, authenticated20:57
jamieshepherd_But when I ping an address, or try to load a page that is within the University firewall (which works on Windows) - I get nothing, no response, no web page20:57
jamieshepherd_If I can't get anything, then I won't be able to access the database which is also under the Uni's network20:58
jamieshepherd_Which is why I thought it MUST be a routing issue20:58
daftykinsoh there you go, local 141, remote 19220:58
daftykinshow did i not see this before20:59
daftykinsso if you ping 141.163... you should get <1ms replies20:59
jamieshepherd_141.163.192.210 this?20:59
daftykinsand if you ping 192.168... you should get broadband latency kind of replies20:59
daftykinsyep20:59
jamieshepherd_Yes, <1ms for top20:59
diddledanjamieshepherd_: without changing any config - so with it connected but unable to get the remote servers, try running "route add -net <uni subnet> netmask <uni netmask> dev ppp0"20:59
jamieshepherd_~15ms for 19221:00
jamieshepherd_I'm sorry diddledan , you're going to have to excuse my ignorance21:00
jamieshepherd_But which values are the subnet + netmast21:00
jamieshepherd_mask21:00
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)21:00
diddledanfrom windows it looks like it's subnet of "141.163.0.0" and netmask of "255.255.0.0"21:01
jamieshepherd_without quotation marks, I'm assuming? (eli5)21:01
diddledanyeah the full command will be as the next message I'm going to send21:02
diddledanroute add -net 141.163.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev ppp021:02
jamieshepherd_oh shit21:02
jamieshepherd_I'm getting pings21:03
jamieshepherd_OH SHIT21:03
diddledanprovided the uni don't change their ip range that should work with any vpn connection no matter what your local and remote ip assignments happen to be21:03
jamieshepherd_I'M SEEING RESULTS21:03
diddledanin which case add the command to the file daftykins suggested earlier21:03
diddledan: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/add-subnet21:04
jamieshepherd_Ho Shit21:04
jamieshepherd_I think that's it21:04
jamieshepherd_ok so throw that command ni add-subnet21:04
jamieshepherd_http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214138/21:04
jamieshepherd_to replace the bottom line?21:05
daftykinsdiddledan: are you sure it's a /16 ?21:05
diddledanyeah, you should use the $PPP_IFACE instead of ppp0 because that will act as a replacement for whichever pppX it happens to become - it isn't always ppp0 if you have more vpn connections21:06
diddledandaftykins: according to the windows routing table it is21:06
daftykinsmm-hmm21:06
daftykinsanyway i must go find food21:06
daftykinsat 10pm.21:06
daftykinsbad dafty.21:06
jamieshepherd_daftykins, thank you so much for your help21:06
jamieshepherd_diddledan, thank you so much for your help21:06
jamieshepherd_=))))))))))))))))))))21:06
diddledanand according to whois, also21:06
jamieshepherd_You're both really awesome people! =D21:06
diddledanroute:          141.163.0.0/1621:06
diddledandescr:          The University of Plymouth21:06
jamieshepherd_Thank you for taking the time =)21:06
diddledanno problem21:07
daftykinsis it working :O21:09
jamieshepherd_Yes!! =))21:09
daftykinsO_O21:09
daftykinssurely it doesn't resolve the server name to the IP still though?21:10
jamieshepherd_Who knows21:15
jamieshepherd_All I know is it works21:15
jamieshepherd_And I'm over the moon :D21:15
jamieshepherd_<3 daftykins =)21:16
jamieshepherd_Works on production too and doesn't affect my other sites21:16
jamieshepherd_So super good news21:16
popeyneuro: shauno should I upgrade my 2009 imac 2.x GHz C2D NVidia thing with 2TB SSD/HDD hybrid to mavericks?21:23
daftykinspopey: my clients runs it well enough, though startup and shutdown aren't as good as SL was21:25
neuropopey: if it's compatible, definitely21:51
neuropopey: also my instructions for disk cloneage earlier were a bit light on info21:52
neuroyou plug in your new drive via usb and partition it manually using disk utility21:52
neurothen you can partition it however you like21:52
neurocarbon copy cloner will detect it's an empty drive and offer the chance to copy over the recovery partition21:53
neurosince you point CCC at a partition, not a whole disk21:53
popeyyes, its running now21:54
popeythanks chaps21:54
neuroalso bear in mind disk utility can grow and shrink hfs+ partitions quite happily on the fly21:54
popeylooks like it will take all night then when I get a chance I will swap disks tomorrow.21:54
neuroyeah, it'll take ages21:54
neurolonger if there's a ton of small files21:54
neuroit's basically running rsync under the hood21:54
neurowith some other stuff doing the appropriate part shrink stuff to fit the recovery partition, and then later stuff to bless the partition properly with boot flags etc21:55
neuroi've used it a few times in the past but most recently on thursday when I upgraded my 13" mbp's 320GB HDD to a samsung evo 1TB SSD21:56
popeyright, its done 200GB in 2 hours 47 mins21:56
neurogoes like the proverbial clappers21:56
neurosounds about right21:56
neuroi blatted a ton of email before i did it21:56
popeyneed to re-find the ifixit guide21:56
neurosince it would have taken aaaaages21:56
popeyhttp://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+20-Inch+EMC+2266+Hard+Drive+Replacement/919 looks like the one21:57
neuroyou can double check your model number with this: http://mactracker.ca/21:57
neurovery very cute app21:58
neuroyou need to take the screen off to replace the hdd? yikes22:00
daftykinshmm what was the one i used22:01
daftykinsSuperDuper! i think22:01
neuroyeah, that's another option22:01
neuroi suggested CCC purely on personal experience :)22:01
daftykinsi had a weird issue where i couldn't get the iMac to boot install media for the new SSD, so i had to clone in the end22:01
daftykinsi think it turns out that hitting the boot device key is a bit flaky on wireless keyboards22:01
daftykinsor maybe i was foolishly trying to do it prior to the boot tone back then... who knows :>22:02
popeybet my drive doesnt have a sensor connector22:02
popeyso will osx complain about the drive?22:02
neuroa sensor connector?22:07
neurooh right22:07
neuroMBPs get temp data over the sata bus, so not sure why a desktop mac should need that22:08
neuroalthough from that photo it looks like they are just wires taped to the drive22:09
neuroyeah, keep reading22:10
neurothe sensor is something that apple apply at the factory22:10
neuroit's not part of the drive, per se22:10
popeyoh the sensor connector is the other end22:13
popeynot the drive end22:13
neuroyarp22:13
popeystep 1322:13
popeygot it22:13
neuroyeah but look at step 2022:13
neurosorry, 1922:14
neurothe sensor sits in an adhesive bracket22:14
neuroyou remove the drive end of the sensor from the bracket22:14
neurothen you remove the bracket22:14
neuroit's just a wire resting on the drive itself measuring the external temp of the chassis22:14
popeyyeah22:16
popeygot it22:16
neuro"see the whole board" :)22:16
popeyi even have a plastic spudger ☻22:16
neurowoo22:17
popeythis will be the final upgrade for that machine, it's lasted well22:17
daftykinspopey: what kind of drive did you get in the end?22:38
daftykinsi found a free program to override the fan speeds btw to take care of not being able to connect the temperature probe22:39
daftykinsthere are pay-for ones that are a bit better at reading live temperatures from SMART data and setting appropriately22:39
daftykinswithout doing anything her iMac would sound like a hoover22:40
popeydaftykins: a 2tb hybrid22:41
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ELAVI3I/22:41
daftykinsooh neat22:41
diddledanI wish those hybrids had more flash than they currently do22:46
daftykinsflash... aah-aaaah!22:46
diddledanit'll eventually be the saviour of the univerve22:47
diddledans*22:47
shaunoI'm curious to try ssd+hdd with the hybrid stuff in the OS.  but I'll never get around to it because I'm too lazy22:47
daftykins:)22:48
daftykinsSATA Express is looking to be a messy implementation =/22:48
daftykinsno standardised cables i think i read22:49
diddledanI've not heard of SATAe22:50
* diddledan googles22:50
shaunogoogle is full of lies tonight :/22:51
diddledanweird, combo of sata and pci-e?!22:51
daftykinsdiddledan: http://anandtech.com/show/7843/testing-sata-express-with-asus22:51
popeyI do hope this drive is faster than the 320GB that shipped with the machine23:00
popeybe disappointed if it isn't23:00
popeyalso, this does mean I now need to get a bigger disk to backup on to ⍨23:00
daftykinsit'd be impossible not to be! :)23:00
popeyalso hope mavericks doesn't make it slower23:00
shaunobackup requirements are a function of how much you're backing up, not how big the source disk is, surely?23:01
daftykinsperhaps popey will download all the things now23:01
neuropopey: you'll probably find with memory compression, it'll swap less, and ergo run faster23:03
neurohttps://www.dropbox.com/s/joryeyajp6afefg/Screenshot%202014-04-07%2000.03.46.png23:03
shaunoif you use a second screen, you won't care about speed, you'll be so happy that it finally isn't braindead23:04
diddledanshauno: you can turn the braindead mode back on23:05
diddledanshauno: X11 doesn't play nicely with the non-braindead23:05
diddledanso either X11 sanity + braindead multimonitor, or X11 braindeadedness + multimonitor sanity23:06
shaunoluckily I live in 2014, so I don't have to worry about X11 often23:09
diddledanI think it's because the X11 is just a rootless window meaning that it can only occupy one monitor in the non-breadead mavericks way23:11
diddledane.g. the same way that one window can't exist between screens when dragged half-way23:12
popeyshauno: i think it's pretty obvious that given my 320GB disk is full and I'm putting a bigger disk in it, I'm going to use more23:12
diddledanI need a bigger thingy, too23:12
diddledanethinky23:12
diddledanthingy*23:12
diddledanethingy*23:12
neuroFAMILY CHANNEL!23:13
popey23:13
popeynot sure how much it swaps at the moment23:13
popeyit has 8GB23:13
neuroactivity monitor should be able to tell you23:13
neuromavericks is actually really aggressive about not swapping23:13
neuroit'll compress memory, it'll sacrifice cache, it'll purge unused app memory23:14
diddledanweirdly the mbp retina ethingy is a half-width sata card with no case but it's mounted in what looks to be a standard sata 2.5in hole23:14
neurohttp://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/17/#compressed-memory23:15
neurosiracusa mentions it in his review23:15
shaunopopey, it should handle it by just saving less historical backups.  whether you end up needing bigger backups is up to your own usage23:15
neuro"In fact, Mavericks seems fairly terrified of the swap file" :)23:15
popeyshauno: i think you're stepping into the realms of stating the bleeding obvious23:15
diddledanlol23:15
neurohehe23:15
neuropopey: 2TB externals are pretty cheap these days23:16
neuroi picked up a USB2/3 WD My Passport for Mac 2TB today for 120 quid23:16
popeyblimey, so they are23:16
neuroand i know that was expensive (Maplins)23:16
neuroyou can get a standard passport or elements for about 80-90 quid23:16
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive monolith23:16
popeyer http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive/dp/B0084LZI5Y/23:17
neuroi personally wouldn't buy seagate externals if you paid me23:17
neurobut that's just me23:17
popeymeh23:17
neurotime machine makes disk usage look weird anyway23:18
neurohttps://www.dropbox.com/s/z4zlri4ogu9t68n/Screenshot%202014-04-07%2000.18.25.png23:18
neuro21.86TB used on a 2TB drive with 310GB available23:18
neuro(yes, i know how it works)23:19
daftykinsi could go in and nuke my clients' old snow leopard TM backups now23:19
diddledanthat's why you get-info on the drive, not the folder23:19
daftykinsbut then they're not doing too much harm just sat there23:19
neurodiddledan: NO, REALLY?!??!23:19
neuro:)23:19
popeyright, bedlington, thanks for the help and avice chaps. ttfn23:24
daftykinsnn sir o/23:25
daftykinsour pleasure as always i'm sure23:26
shaunomy head is just not working tonight.  trying to use an ide cable as a breakout on a pi, and failing at spatial awareness so hard23:35
diddledaneep23:36
daftykinsever have one of those days every couple of years where anything computery you touch is destroyed?23:40
daftykinsi just have to go outside on said days23:40
daftykinscan't go to an ATM, not after the incident.23:41
AltairHello! I would like to know how long it should take to download and install the wireless drivers for Broadcom on Ubuntu 12.0423:53
AltairAnyone there?23:55

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