[03:39] <mapps> morning
[03:55] <daftykins> heya
[03:56] <mapps> still up i assume..not just woken up/:p
[03:57] <daftykins> yep, watching a film in a chan with US'ians
[03:57] <daftykins> "Surrogates" with Bruce Willis
[04:09] <mapps> ah seen it
[04:09] <mapps> iirc was quite good
[04:09] <mapps> that that chan you told me of before?
[04:22] <daftykins> yep
[04:23] <daftykins> ##club-nomicon the land of 24/7 nattering
[04:23] <daftykins> may not be so good whilst we're all annotating the film though :>
[04:26] <mapps> :)
 8c outside here, which for this time of the year, is good.
 the bigger story that they might make their own chips
 this steamos stuff has me thinking about building a htpc all over again
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 I have no idea yet.  that's the fun bit :)
 i have a pvr ..bit limited in that it is not internet connected, but lot less hassle and wife friendly/join #test
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[07:29] <daftykins> 0o
[07:30] <daftykins> you appear to have pasted something
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[09:08] <SuperMatt> how's things?
[09:09] <brobostigon> half asleep, and you?
[09:10] <SuperMatt> hungover -.-
[09:11] <brobostigon> :(
[09:11] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[09:11] <SuperMatt> yeah, well if I'm going to be out till 4.30, it's my own fault
[09:16] <brobostigon> exactly. self-inflicted.
[10:15] <bashrc> morning
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[11:35]  * popey wonders if shauno or neuro are about for osx related questions
[11:35] <neuro> i is watching last night's saturday night live
[11:35] <neuro> but i is answerable for questionisting
[11:35] <popey> coolio
[11:36] <popey> For when they return: I have an iMac running OSX 10.7.5 with 320GB disk which is ~full. I have bought a 2TB drive and tools to replace said drive, and a backup of the 320GB on an external 1TB USB disk.
[11:36] <popey> What's the best way to migrate from the 320GB internal to a new 2TB internal disk?
[11:36] <neuro> http://www.bombich.com/
[11:37] <neuro> download carbon copy cloner from there
[11:38] <neuro> plug new drive in over usb
[11:38] <neuro> clone 320gb -> 2tb
[11:38] <neuro> switch off mac
[11:38] <neuro> swap drives
[11:38] <neuro> turn on mac
[11:53] <popey> hmm
[11:54] <popey> will it make the partition bigger on the 2tb?
[11:54]  * penguin42 would partition and dd stuff
[11:55] <penguin42> but then that's the way I swing
[11:55] <popey> need to find my external drive enclosure. wish I'd bought one of those ones where you just slot the drive in and don't have screws etc
[11:58] <penguin42> well, no one says you have to put the screws in
[11:58] <popey> well, you know what i mean
[11:59] <popey> something less fiddly
[11:59]  * penguin42 was copying a drive over iSCSI on Friday, not that hard one you persuade the thing to auth
[12:11] <foobarry> i hate chap
[12:16] <penguin42> indeed, although I was using it on my local network so I was just turning all auth off
[12:30] <foobarry> can i run TRIM on my sdcard for my phone and put it back in to make it work better?
[12:31] <ali1234> no, because SD cards don't support TRIM
[12:32] <foobarry> :(
[12:32] <foobarry> something about my phone storage is mega slow now
[12:55] <popey> can you run stuff like iotop to see whats eating it?
[13:01] <leon> hello? need some 'elp please
[13:02] <Guest67518> hello?
[13:07] <penguin42> youtube seems to have gone all https
[13:07] <penguin42> doesn't seem all that happy
[13:20] <foobarry> looking for a good 8 bit wario to make out of hama
[13:24] <foobarry> wario didn't  seem to be on any nes games
[13:37] <ali1234> wario was on gameboy though, and that was 8 bit
[13:37] <ali1234> "He first appeared in the 1992 Game Boy title Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins"
[13:38] <popey> not in enough colour for hamma beads to be fun
[13:39] <ali1234> i think people forget how crappy 8 bit actually was
[13:39] <ali1234> generally they mean 16 bit :)
[13:39] <ali1234> sometimes 32-bit
[13:44] <foobarry> i'm thinking http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/10592138/
[13:51] <dwatkins> Did someone say Game Boy? http://www.neatoshop.com/product/Gamer-Boy
[15:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:06] <penguin42> anyone else seeing problems with google the last couple of days - I suspect it's they seem to have gone all https, youtube is taking a while to open, but once opened it seems ok; the firefox search is generally not working
[15:11] <foobarry> nope
[15:16] <penguin42> maybe the problem is Virgin
[15:47] <foobarry> need to get my stuff off ubuntu one before i forget
[15:54] <mapps> gah
[15:54] <mapps> a new ip again
[15:54] <mapps> sky sucks
[16:08] <directhex> anyone want a cd stereo system thingy?
[16:08] <directhex> free to a good home. or a bad one, i don't care
[20:15] <daftykins> wow VPNs can get messy
[20:26] <BigRedS> haha
[20:28] <daftykins> there's a plymouth uni student asking about them in #ubuntu
[20:28] <daftykins> only he gets some crazy networks when he connects
[20:33] <diddledan> http://g.bwlh.at/mJEEaRU1VW zoom out a bit
[20:34] <diddledan> VPNs _should_ be simple
[20:34] <diddledan> (once configged)
[20:34] <daftykins> up for a challenge diddledan? :)
[20:36] <daftykins> jamieshepherd_: are you ok with some of your pastebin's being repasted here?
[20:36] <jamieshepherd_> Yeah no problem
[20:36] <jamieshepherd_> Just need to get it sorted before I sleep so ;D
[20:37] <daftykins> lol, before you say, deadlines looming is it?
[20:37] <jamieshepherd_> Well I'm meant to be building the 3rd app tomorrow so
[20:37] <jamieshepherd_> Would like to stay on target :p
[20:38] <daftykins> so jamie's trying to connect with a server in a data centre somewhere (i've also recommended setting up an ubuntu server VM) to his university VPN in order to get working on a webapp that needs to talk to a database hosted on the network there
[20:38] <jamieshepherd_> You explained that much better than I did too
[20:38] <jamieshepherd_> :D
[20:38] <daftykins> the last thing he was following was the lovely and up to date (not) command line guide with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[20:38] <daftykins> s/with/from/
[20:39] <daftykins> i personally am going loopy over the networks he's getting presented with when connecting (from Windows as a test)
[20:39] <daftykins> i was expecting to see a simple you are x.x.x.2 and the gateway is x.x.x.1
[20:40] <daftykins> but instead he has - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214030/
[20:40] <daftykins> for reference his ipconfig on said windows box is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214048/
[20:41] <daftykins> so the PPP adapter has the IP 141.163.192.215
[20:41] <daftykins> yet the Windows routing table refers to a 192.168.192.215!?
[20:41] <daftykins> the two last octets match, with has me raising an eyebrow
[20:41] <diddledan> I don't see that ip
[20:42] <daftykins> well it's a gateway listed in the routing table
[20:42] <daftykins>  141.163.0.0      255.255.0.0  192.168.192.215  141.163.192.215     11
[20:42] <diddledan> aah yes
[20:42] <daftykins> i mean where in the *beep* does that come from O_O
[20:43] <diddledan> I would guess that's the PtP address
[20:44] <daftykins> i was thinking he would need to edit "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/add-subnet" to contain something like:
[20:44] <daftykins> route add -net 141.163.192. <but what here!?>/32 dev $PPP_IFACE
[20:45] <daftykins> or maybe it doesn't? i think i'm too newb for this one
[20:45] <diddledan> ppp _should_ autoconfigure
[20:45] <diddledan> for basic routing you don't need to add a custom config
[20:45] <daftykins> so maybe just connect and see what happens?
[20:45] <diddledan> bingo
[20:46] <jamieshepherd_> If I just use pon plymuni though, I can't view web pages which are under the network :o
[20:46] <jamieshepherd_> Or ping them
[20:46] <daftykins> also, as it's in a data centre how do you sort the ^ DNS and gateway issues without trashing that server's own internet connectivity 0o
[20:46] <jamieshepherd_> But strangely the logs show that a connection has been made... ifconfig shows an adapter...
[20:48] <diddledan> you need to add "nodefaultroute" to the config to prevent the internet connection from being subverted
[20:48] <jamieshepherd_> Oh that's interesting
[20:51] <diddledan> hmm, maybe you do need to add a route for networks on the other side - I thought that was configured by the pppd
[20:51] <daftykins> diddledan: then as he needs to rely upon the department DNS to resolve department servers, how do you cheat that into the mix 0o i had a dirty hack idea of looking up the IPs from the windows connection, then just hardcoding them
[20:51] <daftykins> that'll need the route(s) in place if it's not obvious though of course
[20:52] <jamieshepherd_> I honestly had no idea VPN from ubuntu server was such a hard thing to do
[20:52] <diddledan> an example config suggests you don't need to add a gateway ip: route add -net 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev ppp0
[20:52] <jamieshepherd_> It seems ridiculous that I can literally do it in 2 clicks on W8 :(
[20:52] <diddledan> jamieshepherd_: you can do it on ubuntu in 2 clicks if you have network manager and a gui installed
[20:52] <jamieshepherd_> Yeah my laptop is running ubuntu desktop
[20:53] <jamieshepherd_> Just a little upset that there isn't some program where you "vpn connection.com username password" and done :p
[20:53] <daftykins> so i guess install a desktop ubuntu wherever you want to develop your web app from?
[20:53] <daftykins> hehe yeah
[20:54] <BigRedS> It's not *that* hard with no GUI is it? It's been years since I last looked at it, but I thought the default config mostly worked
[20:55] <daftykins> BigRedS: but surely if you replace your default gateway and DNS servers to make web traffic go over the VPN, you trash the internet connection allowing you to connect to said VPN in the first place
[20:57] <jamieshepherd_> I mean, to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214258/ - This tells me that I connected to the VPN, authenticated
[20:57] <jamieshepherd_> But when I ping an address, or try to load a page that is within the University firewall (which works on Windows) - I get nothing, no response, no web page
[20:58] <jamieshepherd_> If I can't get anything, then I won't be able to access the database which is also under the Uni's network
[20:58] <jamieshepherd_> Which is why I thought it MUST be a routing issue
[20:58] <daftykins> oh there you go, local 141, remote 192
[20:59] <daftykins> how did i not see this before
[20:59] <daftykins> so if you ping 141.163... you should get <1ms replies
[20:59] <jamieshepherd_> 141.163.192.210 this?
[20:59] <daftykins> and if you ping 192.168... you should get broadband latency kind of replies
[20:59] <daftykins> yep
[20:59] <jamieshepherd_> Yes, <1ms for top
[20:59] <diddledan> jamieshepherd_: without changing any config - so with it connected but unable to get the remote servers, try running "route add -net <uni subnet> netmask <uni netmask> dev ppp0"
[21:00] <jamieshepherd_> ~15ms for 192
[21:00] <jamieshepherd_> I'm sorry diddledan , you're going to have to excuse my ignorance
[21:00] <jamieshepherd_> But which values are the subnet + netmast
[21:00] <jamieshepherd_> mask
[21:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[21:01] <diddledan> from windows it looks like it's subnet of "141.163.0.0" and netmask of "255.255.0.0"
[21:01] <jamieshepherd_> without quotation marks, I'm assuming? (eli5)
[21:02] <diddledan> yeah the full command will be as the next message I'm going to send
[21:02] <diddledan> route add -net 141.163.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev ppp0
[21:02] <jamieshepherd_> oh shit
[21:03] <jamieshepherd_> I'm getting pings
[21:03] <jamieshepherd_> OH SHIT
[21:03] <diddledan> provided the uni don't change their ip range that should work with any vpn connection no matter what your local and remote ip assignments happen to be
[21:03] <jamieshepherd_> I'M SEEING RESULTS
[21:03] <diddledan> in which case add the command to the file daftykins suggested earlier
[21:04] <diddledan> : /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/add-subnet
[21:04] <jamieshepherd_> Ho Shit
[21:04] <jamieshepherd_> I think that's it
[21:04] <jamieshepherd_> ok so throw that command ni add-subnet
[21:04] <jamieshepherd_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7214138/
[21:05] <jamieshepherd_> to replace the bottom line?
[21:05] <daftykins> diddledan: are you sure it's a /16 ?
[21:06] <diddledan> yeah, you should use the $PPP_IFACE instead of ppp0 because that will act as a replacement for whichever pppX it happens to become - it isn't always ppp0 if you have more vpn connections
[21:06] <diddledan> daftykins: according to the windows routing table it is
[21:06] <daftykins> mm-hmm
[21:06] <daftykins> anyway i must go find food
[21:06] <daftykins> at 10pm.
[21:06] <daftykins> bad dafty.
[21:06] <jamieshepherd_> daftykins, thank you so much for your help
[21:06] <jamieshepherd_> diddledan, thank you so much for your help
[21:06] <jamieshepherd_> =))))))))))))))))))))
[21:06] <diddledan> and according to whois, also
[21:06] <jamieshepherd_> You're both really awesome people! =D
[21:06] <diddledan> route:          141.163.0.0/16
[21:06] <diddledan> descr:          The University of Plymouth
[21:06] <jamieshepherd_> Thank you for taking the time =)
[21:07] <diddledan> no problem
[21:09] <daftykins> is it working :O
[21:09] <jamieshepherd_> Yes!! =))
[21:09] <daftykins> O_O
[21:10] <daftykins> surely it doesn't resolve the server name to the IP still though?
[21:15] <jamieshepherd_> Who knows
[21:15] <jamieshepherd_> All I know is it works
[21:15] <jamieshepherd_> And I'm over the moon :D
[21:16] <jamieshepherd_> <3 daftykins =)
[21:16] <jamieshepherd_> Works on production too and doesn't affect my other sites
[21:16] <jamieshepherd_> So super good news
[21:23] <popey> neuro: shauno should I upgrade my 2009 imac 2.x GHz C2D NVidia thing with 2TB SSD/HDD hybrid to mavericks?
[21:25] <daftykins> popey: my clients runs it well enough, though startup and shutdown aren't as good as SL was
[21:51] <neuro> popey: if it's compatible, definitely
[21:52] <neuro> popey: also my instructions for disk cloneage earlier were a bit light on info
[21:52] <neuro> you plug in your new drive via usb and partition it manually using disk utility
[21:52] <neuro> then you can partition it however you like
[21:53] <neuro> carbon copy cloner will detect it's an empty drive and offer the chance to copy over the recovery partition
[21:53] <neuro> since you point CCC at a partition, not a whole disk
[21:54] <popey> yes, its running now
[21:54] <popey> thanks chaps
[21:54] <neuro> also bear in mind disk utility can grow and shrink hfs+ partitions quite happily on the fly
[21:54] <popey> looks like it will take all night then when I get a chance I will swap disks tomorrow.
[21:54] <neuro> yeah, it'll take ages
[21:54] <neuro> longer if there's a ton of small files
[21:54] <neuro> it's basically running rsync under the hood
[21:55] <neuro> with some other stuff doing the appropriate part shrink stuff to fit the recovery partition, and then later stuff to bless the partition properly with boot flags etc
[21:56] <neuro> i've used it a few times in the past but most recently on thursday when I upgraded my 13" mbp's 320GB HDD to a samsung evo 1TB SSD
[21:56] <popey> right, its done 200GB in 2 hours 47 mins
[21:56] <neuro> goes like the proverbial clappers
[21:56] <neuro> sounds about right
[21:56] <neuro> i blatted a ton of email before i did it
[21:56] <popey> need to re-find the ifixit guide
[21:56] <neuro> since it would have taken aaaaages
[21:57] <popey> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+20-Inch+EMC+2266+Hard+Drive+Replacement/919 looks like the one
[21:57] <neuro> you can double check your model number with this: http://mactracker.ca/
[21:58] <neuro> very very cute app
[22:00] <neuro> you need to take the screen off to replace the hdd? yikes
[22:01] <daftykins> hmm what was the one i used
[22:01] <daftykins> SuperDuper! i think
[22:01] <neuro> yeah, that's another option
[22:01] <neuro> i suggested CCC purely on personal experience :)
[22:01] <daftykins> i had a weird issue where i couldn't get the iMac to boot install media for the new SSD, so i had to clone in the end
[22:01] <daftykins> i think it turns out that hitting the boot device key is a bit flaky on wireless keyboards
[22:02] <daftykins> or maybe i was foolishly trying to do it prior to the boot tone back then... who knows :>
[22:02] <popey> bet my drive doesnt have a sensor connector
[22:02] <popey> so will osx complain about the drive?
[22:07] <neuro> a sensor connector?
[22:07] <neuro> oh right
[22:08] <neuro> MBPs get temp data over the sata bus, so not sure why a desktop mac should need that
[22:09] <neuro> although from that photo it looks like they are just wires taped to the drive
[22:10] <neuro> yeah, keep reading
[22:10] <neuro> the sensor is something that apple apply at the factory
[22:10] <neuro> it's not part of the drive, per se
[22:13] <popey> oh the sensor connector is the other end
[22:13] <popey> not the drive end
[22:13] <neuro> yarp
[22:13] <popey> step 13
[22:13] <popey> got it
[22:13] <neuro> yeah but look at step 20
[22:14] <neuro> sorry, 19
[22:14] <neuro> the sensor sits in an adhesive bracket
[22:14] <neuro> you remove the drive end of the sensor from the bracket
[22:14] <neuro> then you remove the bracket
[22:14] <neuro> it's just a wire resting on the drive itself measuring the external temp of the chassis
[22:16] <popey> yeah
[22:16] <popey> got it
[22:16] <neuro> "see the whole board" :)
[22:16] <popey> i even have a plastic spudger ☻
[22:17] <neuro> woo
[22:17] <popey> this will be the final upgrade for that machine, it's lasted well
[22:38] <daftykins> popey: what kind of drive did you get in the end?
[22:39] <daftykins> i found a free program to override the fan speeds btw to take care of not being able to connect the temperature probe
[22:39] <daftykins> there are pay-for ones that are a bit better at reading live temperatures from SMART data and setting appropriately
[22:40] <daftykins> without doing anything her iMac would sound like a hoover
[22:41] <popey> daftykins: a 2tb hybrid
[22:41] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ELAVI3I/
[22:41] <daftykins> ooh neat
[22:46] <diddledan> I wish those hybrids had more flash than they currently do
[22:46] <daftykins> flash... aah-aaaah!
[22:47] <diddledan> it'll eventually be the saviour of the univerve
[22:47] <diddledan> s*
[22:47] <shauno> I'm curious to try ssd+hdd with the hybrid stuff in the OS.  but I'll never get around to it because I'm too lazy
[22:48] <daftykins> :)
[22:48] <daftykins> SATA Express is looking to be a messy implementation =/
[22:49] <daftykins> no standardised cables i think i read
[22:50] <diddledan> I've not heard of SATAe
[22:50]  * diddledan googles
[22:51] <shauno> google is full of lies tonight :/
[22:51] <diddledan> weird, combo of sata and pci-e?!
[22:51] <daftykins> diddledan: http://anandtech.com/show/7843/testing-sata-express-with-asus
[23:00] <popey> I do hope this drive is faster than the 320GB that shipped with the machine
[23:00] <popey> be disappointed if it isn't
[23:00] <popey> also, this does mean I now need to get a bigger disk to backup on to ⍨
[23:00] <daftykins> it'd be impossible not to be! :)
[23:00] <popey> also hope mavericks doesn't make it slower
[23:01] <shauno> backup requirements are a function of how much you're backing up, not how big the source disk is, surely?
[23:01] <daftykins> perhaps popey will download all the things now
[23:03] <neuro> popey: you'll probably find with memory compression, it'll swap less, and ergo run faster
[23:03] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/joryeyajp6afefg/Screenshot%202014-04-07%2000.03.46.png
[23:04] <shauno> if you use a second screen, you won't care about speed, you'll be so happy that it finally isn't braindead
[23:05] <diddledan> shauno: you can turn the braindead mode back on
[23:05] <diddledan> shauno: X11 doesn't play nicely with the non-braindead
[23:06] <diddledan> so either X11 sanity + braindead multimonitor, or X11 braindeadedness + multimonitor sanity
[23:09] <shauno> luckily I live in 2014, so I don't have to worry about X11 often
[23:11] <diddledan> I think it's because the X11 is just a rootless window meaning that it can only occupy one monitor in the non-breadead mavericks way
[23:12] <diddledan> e.g. the same way that one window can't exist between screens when dragged half-way
[23:12] <popey> shauno: i think it's pretty obvious that given my 320GB disk is full and I'm putting a bigger disk in it, I'm going to use more
[23:12] <diddledan> I need a bigger thingy, too
[23:12] <diddledan> ethinky
[23:12] <diddledan> thingy*
[23:12] <diddledan> ethingy*
[23:13] <neuro> FAMILY CHANNEL!
[23:13] <popey> ☻
[23:13] <popey> not sure how much it swaps at the moment
[23:13] <popey> it has 8GB
[23:13] <neuro> activity monitor should be able to tell you
[23:13] <neuro> mavericks is actually really aggressive about not swapping
[23:14] <neuro> it'll compress memory, it'll sacrifice cache, it'll purge unused app memory
[23:14] <diddledan> weirdly the mbp retina ethingy is a half-width sata card with no case but it's mounted in what looks to be a standard sata 2.5in hole
[23:15] <neuro> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/17/#compressed-memory
[23:15] <neuro> siracusa mentions it in his review
[23:15] <shauno> popey, it should handle it by just saving less historical backups.  whether you end up needing bigger backups is up to your own usage
[23:15] <neuro> "In fact, Mavericks seems fairly terrified of the swap file" :)
[23:15] <popey> shauno: i think you're stepping into the realms of stating the bleeding obvious
[23:15] <diddledan> lol
[23:15] <neuro> hehe
[23:16] <neuro> popey: 2TB externals are pretty cheap these days
[23:16] <neuro> i picked up a USB2/3 WD My Passport for Mac 2TB today for 120 quid
[23:16] <popey> blimey, so they are
[23:16] <neuro> and i know that was expensive (Maplins)
[23:16] <neuro> you can get a standard passport or elements for about 80-90 quid
[23:16] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive monolith
[23:17] <popey> er http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive/dp/B0084LZI5Y/
[23:17] <neuro> i personally wouldn't buy seagate externals if you paid me
[23:17] <neuro> but that's just me
[23:17] <popey> meh
[23:18] <neuro> time machine makes disk usage look weird anyway
[23:18] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4zlri4ogu9t68n/Screenshot%202014-04-07%2000.18.25.png
[23:18] <neuro> 21.86TB used on a 2TB drive with 310GB available
[23:19] <neuro> (yes, i know how it works)
[23:19] <daftykins> i could go in and nuke my clients' old snow leopard TM backups now
[23:19] <diddledan> that's why you get-info on the drive, not the folder
[23:19] <daftykins> but then they're not doing too much harm just sat there
[23:19] <neuro> diddledan: NO, REALLY?!??!
[23:19] <neuro> :)
[23:24] <popey> right, bedlington, thanks for the help and avice chaps. ttfn
[23:25] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[23:26] <daftykins> our pleasure as always i'm sure
[23:35] <shauno> my head is just not working tonight.  trying to use an ide cable as a breakout on a pi, and failing at spatial awareness so hard
[23:36] <diddledan> eep
[23:40] <daftykins> ever have one of those days every couple of years where anything computery you touch is destroyed?
[23:40] <daftykins> i just have to go outside on said days
[23:41] <daftykins> can't go to an ATM, not after the incident.
[23:53] <Altair> Hello! I would like to know how long it should take to download and install the wireless drivers for Broadcom on Ubuntu 12.04
[23:55] <Altair> Anyone there?