=== `Fibz`` is now known as `Fibz [01:45] bluesabre: is bug 1279470 fixed or still pending? [01:45] bug 1279470 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu, lubuntu images missing secure boot packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279470 [01:47] hey guys, did F12 got bound to something in 14.04? [01:47] i cannot set it to be a keyboard shortcut [02:00] Pwnna: I don't think it's bound to anything [02:00] sure? because F12 currently doesn't launch my terminal anymore [02:00] only in combination with some modifier keys [02:00] i can bind it to F10, and it will work [02:00] interesting [02:01] there is bug 1292290 [02:01] bug 1292290 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 [02:02] but it's only addressing window manager kb shortcuts [02:05] Pwnna: can you please create a new user account and try to reproduce the issue? [02:05] brainwash: new user? [02:05] sure [02:06] gotta give me 5 [02:06] Greetings! [02:06] no need to hurry [02:06] hello RFleming [02:12] whoo [02:12] bug [02:12] brainwash: create a user when you have only 1 [02:12] and then the indicator icon won't change to swtich user [02:13] hm [02:13] cannot reproduce with new user [02:13] Noskcaj: sorry that I have to bother you once again, I got negative feedback regarding the menu icon tweaks. well, the "new file" don't seem to fit the "open in new tab/window" entries. I got the idea from pcmanfm.. but it somehow really looks bad after all. new final patch to revert this is already attached to the bug report. thanks :) [02:14] ok. i'll fix it after lunch [02:14] And it's fine, i've got nothing to do anyway [02:15] btw https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765 [02:15] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 8765 in General "Tiling does not preserve the original window size" [Normal,New] [02:15] I've attached this patch upstream ^ [02:16] brainwash: is there anyway to check what is occupying F12? [02:16] i upgraded from 13.10. That should be something, right? [02:16] Pwnna: sure, upload your kb shortcut config file [02:16] brainwash: where do i find that file? [02:17] ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml [02:17] it might be contain a broken entry [02:18] deleting this file will restore the default keybinds [02:18] after a relog [02:23] Pwnna: what did you mean by "indicator icon won't change to switch user"? [02:24] brainwash: never mind that [02:25] brainwash: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4766900 [02:25] so it's not a problem which might affect other users? [02:26] brainwash: i don't think so? I use action buttons [02:27] ah, so you mean indicator-session? [02:27] brainwash: yeah [02:27] ok :) [02:28] but yeah, anything interesting in there [02:28] don't know yet [02:29] now F11 is also not working [02:29] but F11 is frequently bindded by apps [02:29] fullscreen [02:29] I'll try to debug this tomorrow [02:30] your config file should be useful [02:31] okay [02:31] at this point I have no clue yet why keybinds fail to work === RFleming is now known as RFleming_afk [09:21] * elfy hates grub fatal errors [10:02] hi folks [10:02] elfy I can fully understand that hate for grub problem :) [10:06] tried with yesterdays daily too [10:09] yet another broken thing? [10:10] not our issue though [10:10] back later [11:22] bluesabre, ochosi: ping me if you need more approvals [11:33] ali1234: is your title-less windows patch complete and ready to be included? [11:47] Noskcaj: oh, there is also another untiling issue bug 1110158 [11:47] bug 1110158 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Tiling a window + resizeing sends it out of screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1110158 [11:48] well, is it still reproducible? I'm using the deskbar panel mode and did not notice anything odd yet [13:07] good morning [13:07] knome: will do [13:08] brainwash: yes, if it was merged, its fixed (marking as so) [13:12] bluesabre: thanks for taking care of it [13:20] hey folks [13:22] hi ochosi [13:25] hey ochosi [13:25] what's up? [13:27] not much atm [13:27] afternoon, ochosi, can I run some desktop issues by you? [13:27] go ahead [13:27] upgrading little one's 1204 - it's not very quick process, it's upstairs and I'm not - it keeps asking questions :p [13:27] bluesabre: that's a good thing though, right? :) [13:28] I upgraded my main machine yesterday from Precise and I'm having some issues with the backgrounds [13:28] yes, indeed :) [13:28] bbs - also fighting grub on this machine - I love linux :p [13:29] jjfrv8: there are some known bugs in xfdesktop [13:29] check the unresolved ones in the xubuntu-t-bugs blueprint [13:29] I have two monitors with an nVidia GT220 adapter and my backgrounds look like this now: http://imagebin.org/304088 [13:29] haha, nice [13:30] have you tried to change the wallpaper at all yet? [13:30] it seems like on my main monitor it's a composite of all the backgrounds I've tried [13:30] on my secondary it's okay [13:31] and the background on my greeter screen is my original wallpaper on both monitors [13:31] ideally xfdesktop should take care of the transition of the configuration [13:32] but i'd just try to re-set the wallpaper on both monitors with the configuration dialog [13:32] have you tried that at all? [13:32] yes [13:32] the other thing you can try is to kill xfdesktop "killall xfdesktop", it'll respawn and hopefully draw the wallpapers correctly the second time [13:32] okay, I'll try that [13:33] then if that doesn't work you can always open xfce4-settings-editor and reset the xfdesktop channel (right-click the xfdesktop row on the left -> reset channel), then you get a clean configuration [13:33] bad day = rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4 [13:41] ochosi, I did the reset channel thing and that did seem to fix the problem... at least until I started customizing again :( [13:42] now it's back to the same thing as before. [13:46] :) [13:46] so what are you customizing how exactly? [13:47] a background image on primary monitor and solid color on secondary [13:49] but it seems even putting a solid color on both, I end up with the composite stuff on the primary after a logoff [13:54] so it works at first but after re-logging in it's borked? [13:54] btw, how did you set up your monitors? nvidia's proprietary drivers or nouveau? xfce's dialog or nvidia's? [13:57] nvidia's. all I had to do after the upgrade was reverse the position of the monitors in the nvidia settings dialog [13:58] right, i have no idea whether that could create problems [13:58] i myself use propr drivers but use xfce's dialog to set up my monitors [13:58] btw, it seems if I stay with the stock background images, all is well, even with a different image on each [13:58] you could try to use that instead [13:59] a-ha [13:59] * ochosi shrugs [13:59] ideally debug this a bit more and add all your findings in a bugreport upstream on bugs.xfce.org [13:59] wilco [14:20] jjfrv8, ochosi: bug 1276248 [14:20] bug 1276248 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "desktop wallpaper distorted on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276248 [14:20] maybe it's the same problem [14:20] brainwash, that's decidedly better than the desktop not setting properly :) [14:22] but it seems to be a rare failure [14:24] brainwash, on 14.04 this happens every single log on, but I much appreciate a bit of distortion on log on than bug 1270261 [14:24] bug 1270261 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Desktop items have background" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270261 [14:25] it still does? [14:26] which, background distortion? [14:26] "Desktop items have background" [14:26] No [14:26] that's fixed [14:26] replaced with "desktop wallpaper distorted on boot" [14:28] so the distortion happens again? or did it happen all the time since testing 14.04? [14:28] it lasts about 2-5 seconds for me, usually contains the previous session's logoff screen in the 'box' attached to that bug then everything rights itself and I'm good [14:28] ah, some nasty artifacts [14:28] since testing 14.04, this is new [14:29] it has replaced the 'Desktop items have background' bug [14:29] once that was fixed, I started to see this [14:29] we got even a report stating that the previous microsoft windows session was still visible [14:30] ?? [14:30] after a switch from windows to xubuntu [14:30] loading something from gpu memory? [14:30] * elfy has seen all sorts of things after a restart [14:30] indeed [14:30] agreed [14:30] RFleming: what card is this - what driver? [14:30] I guess nvidia with nouveau [14:31] me? I've got an nVidia Quadro FX 880M [14:31] and I'm using the prop tested drivers [14:32] bug 1267742 [14:32] mmm - wasn't seeing that previously with nvidia driver [14:32] bug 1267742 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Screen artifacts appear after restart and cold boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267742 [14:32] 331.38 [14:32] brainwash: yea [14:33] I'm also using uvesafb [14:33] cus I like framebuffer :) [14:33] * elfy will install nvidia and check [14:34] how can I take a screen capture on logon? [14:34] Prt Sc? [14:34] RFleming: you see the artifacts at the greeter screen? [14:34] I doubt that [14:34] camera [14:35] or pen and paper :D [14:35] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094788/CAM00031.jpg [14:35] RFleming: kind of like ^^ [14:35] elfy, no artifacts at greeter screen [14:35] so where do you actually see this? [14:36] once you've logged in and the desktop is starting? [14:36] take a look at the screenshot attached to 1276248 [14:36] there's this dark box in it [14:36] bug 1276248 [14:36] bug 1276248 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "desktop wallpaper distorted on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276248 [14:36] when I log in, I have remnants of my previous session in that box [14:37] ok - new one on me :) [14:37] and is that from a restart or cold boot? [14:37] and my screen gets scewed [14:37] both [14:38] what I end up seeing is my screen shifts about 30% left, and 15% down, and it wraps. [14:38] ok - I'll try here then - previously installing nvidia for me removed any issues with artifacts [14:38] but it only lasts a couple of seconds, sorts itself out and I'm good to go [14:39] * RFleming is going to try and take a screen shot [14:39] when I log in and out, switching users, I briefly see artifacts of the other users wallpaper before it settles down and shows mine [14:40] and my wallpaper is screwed up unless I use one of the stock images (as reported earlier) [14:41] can't confirm that [14:43] of course, now that I want it to happen, it won't :) [14:43] lol [14:44] I restarted with nvidia driver - this is when I would expect to find no artifacts on the desktop from previous experience - same this time [14:44] I had my lappy logged off all night, when I logged in this morning I had that artifiacting... now it's working fine. [14:44] I even restarted, with no issue. [14:44] I'll keep it as is for the time being and see if it is a random issue [14:45] I just jumped on brainwash because I had that exact issue he was talking about when I joined. [14:45] (the channel this morning) [14:46] :) [14:48] overall though, I've been using 14.04 since late February and haven't had any real issues... just small things, and they typically disappeared (and subsequently replaced with other small things) in a relatively short period of time. [14:50] yep - not had much in the way of show stoppers here either, I've been running it since November [14:50] I really need to learn how to search through launchpad for bugs though. I have no clue how to. [14:51] I had an issue that scribblezatcha helped me with [14:51] the update a couple of days ago knocked out my sound indicator icon :) [14:58] RFleming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs is very handy [15:00] and feel free to test anything from my PPA (if you are familiar with installing from a PPA) [15:00] https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test [15:02] RFleming: the sound indicator is currently not launching automatically due to a change made by the ubuntu guys for Unity [15:03] you can easily re-enable it via settings manager > session and startup > autostart apps [15:04] yep. Have done that :) [15:05] brainwash, to be honest, I never even thought to look there :) [15:05] then scribblezatcha suggested it, and voila [15:07] oh, speaking of indicators. Is there any way to change the priority of what's displayed on the power indicator? [15:07] no [15:07] :( [15:07] it automatically decides what's more important/critical [15:08] so a mouse that is discharging and a keyboard that doesn't exist trumps a laptop battery that's charging [15:08] got it. [15:23] Hey elfy, I've just noticed something in Settings. [15:23] I now appear to have 2 'Additional Drivers' icons in Hardware. [15:25] yea - we know about that issue [15:26] alrighty :) [15:26] the fix is pending [15:29] * RFleming grins [15:29] I'm not worried about a fix coming, it eventually does [15:35] lderan: not sure if this is expected behaviour - had nouveau, no screensaver - set to Never, install nvidia driver - seems to set it to 1 minute - had to reset to Never [15:36] will look into that elfy [15:36] okey doke [15:54] elfy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2215325 [15:54] your answer does not make any sense :) [15:55] this is the 2nd time I hear/read about this problem with suspend [15:55] but maybe it's just the same person [15:57] it does now ... [15:59] thanks [15:59] sadly no additional info in the original thread [16:00] nope [16:00] many threads in +1 are like that unfortunately [16:05] * GridCube is having issues with the suspension as well [16:06] xfce related? [16:06] i tried to restart xfce4-power-manager but it wont work after it goes to suspension [16:06] when it comes back i can't open the power manager [16:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244 [16:06] Launchpad bug 1302244 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager-settings can not be launched after the session comes back from a suspension" [Undecided,New] [16:07] so you cannot open the settings dialog [16:07] not after it wakes up [16:07] did you try to restart the power manager? [16:07] if it wakes up, at least once i had to force a reboot [16:09] and did you try to create a debug log file like I've told you? [16:10] running xfpm in debug mode inside a terminal window [16:10] i tried to restart it yes it did nothing, ill try the debug now if you tell me how to [16:10] xfce4-power-manager --debug [16:11] you might need to kill the currently running instance of xfpm before [16:12] kay [16:12] trying [16:14] trying to run --debug says that its already running, even after i killalled it with and without sudo [16:14] rebooting and trying again [16:15] you can uncheck the autostart entry for it and then start it manually [16:23] great, now is not comming back [16:23] its awake, i can go to ttys but tty7 is not responding [16:24] aaaand, pressing the powerbuton to call the login stage shutdown the computer properly [16:24] is there a way to create a new user account that has the new xfce settings [16:25] but keep all of my old account's stuff? like files with the permissions and such [16:25] i've upgraded this machien from 12.04 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04 and lots of settings are not working [16:25] most xfce related settings are located in ~/.config/xfce4/ [16:26] renaming this folder should restore the default configuration on next login [16:27] k i have to cook now [16:27] for example after i login with my current user my screen resolution goes to 1024x768 [16:27] i'll try that [16:41] it worked! [16:41] brainwash: the F12 key is now working. [16:41] what's startup notifcation for keyboard shortcut, btw? [16:43] Pwnna: I think it's used to trigger the busy cursor while the app is launching [16:43] oh [16:43] i wish there is a way to get a libnotify notifcation [16:44] wait [16:44] F12 is definitely hijacked by something [16:45] it worked and then stopped working [16:45] dynamically? [16:45] :D [16:46] but it's a major annoyance [16:48] customizability is an important part of Xfce [16:48] so broken keybinds are bad [16:50] idk how this is not working [16:50] it worked and then stopped [16:50] i can relogin [16:55] brainwash: discovered something! [16:55] when i add a shortcut to super+F12 the f12 shortcut stops working [16:55] i can try it in a new user acc [16:55] alright, executing sudo killall light-locker from tty1 let me go to tty7 and login to my desktop [16:56] but the running terminal that had the xfpm --debug is gone so i dont know what it said [16:56] wait. in fact Super+F12 replaces F12 [16:58] so if you create 2 shortcuts, Super+F12 and F12 [16:58] the second one will replace the first one. [17:01] Pwnna: I can confirm that if there is a bug report [17:01] but I'm not here atm :) [17:02] elfy: you can confirm that? [17:02] idk which package to report a bug in [17:03] Pwnna, i would do it agains xfwm4 [17:04] okay [17:04] this is pretty major for me as both super f12 and f12 does important functionalities [17:11] elfy, GridCube https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1303404 [17:11] Launchpad bug 1303404 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Hotkeys overriding each other" [Undecided,New] [17:11] can verify? [17:15] can't. it works here [17:15] ok [17:15] my f12 drops tilda, super-f12 sends the notification [17:16] okay. [17:16] well idk [17:16] well. no. wait. tilda hears the f12 regardles of the shortcut [17:17] GridCube: 14.04? [17:17] yes [17:18] hm [17:18] no, my f12 does nothing after i kill tilda [17:19] alright, weird [17:19] i can confirm now [17:19] please confirm :P [17:20] did so [17:43] brainwash, :( now i consistently can't relog, all the time it leaves a blank screen [17:45] check some log files [17:45] like ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log [17:46] and of course /var/log/syslog + /var/log/lightdm/ [17:46] k, should i append them all to my bug report? [17:47] won't hurt [17:56] Question: Where is the little volume control that used to sit on top of the screen next to the time/date icon? [17:57] starrats, failing to load [17:57] it's not there for me now [17:57] GridCube: are you debugging when you login from sleep you get a blank screen? [17:57] is ikt just mine or is it a glitch in the version [17:58] Pwnna, yes [17:58] starrats, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009967.html [17:58] thanks [17:59] Pwnna, you have the same issue? [17:59] yea [17:59] is there a bug? I can confirm [17:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244 [17:59] Launchpad bug 1302244 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager-settings can not be launched after the session comes back from a suspension" [Undecided,New] [17:59] Pwnna, thats my bug report [18:00] but it has evolved from that [18:00] GridCube: wait. wut [18:00] you mean after you login there's no screen [18:01] you can run a Xrandr command [18:01] and get your screen back [18:01] but then i lose my mouse pointer [18:01] and then if you go to CTRL+ALT+DELETE and relogin again everything works [18:01] i stopped the lightdm service and restarted it, then i could log in [18:02] i tried to ctrl-alt-del but i got to the login and went back to a black screen, over and over again [18:03] GridCube: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Problem-with-wakeup-td5062841.html [18:04] Pwnna, yes i've seen that thread [18:05] yeah. [18:05] Pwnna, can you open the xfce4-power-manager-settings? [18:08] GridCube: when [18:08] after waking up your suspended pc [18:18] Pwnna, you are correct, executing an xrandr does start the screen [18:29] so i think it's an issue with after login the screen cannot be found correctly [18:29] i see the new login screen is like.. another display [18:29] previously it's an overlay [18:29] so idk [18:30] Pwnna, yes, now we use light-locker, previously it was the xscreensaver i think [18:31] yea [18:31] hm [18:31] GridCube: also when you wake up the screen brightness is at minimum [18:38] xnox, any progress/idea with bug 1284910 ? [18:38] bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910 [18:43] Pwnna, i don't notice that [18:49] * starrats will wait until the xfce volume/sound icon to be fixed. [18:50] I temp. lost wifi had to reboot the modem and router. [18:51] starrats, did you not see the link i pasted you? [18:56] yes I did GridCube and I followed all the instructions, rebooted and lost the wifi plus i couldn't logon and had turn off the comp and did a restart. [18:56] :( [19:17] jjfrv8, if you can try xfdesktop from git it should fix your issue [19:24] eric_the_idiot: ah, new commit [19:28] yeah, gotta keep you busy with your ppa ;) [19:31] Hello everyone [19:32] I'm looking to get involved as a Python programmer. Any suggestions/tips? [19:33] CajunTechie, hey, you one of the people asking for that on the mailing list? [19:34] Knome: Indeed I was :-)( [19:34] CajunTechie, ok, did you read about the xfce python bindings? [19:35] that would be generally useful to know [19:35] No, I haven't yet. I assume that would be on the XFCE site then? [19:35] there was a mail about them [19:35] let me dig that up [19:35] Ooh yes, I remember that discussion. That they could use some love [19:36] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009985.html [19:36] yep [19:36] other than that, we're pretty late in the cycle, so not much we have time to get you involved with... [19:36] ...but we will start working on the next release soon, and think what updates we want/need to land for 14.04.1 [19:37] Great! Then I will start beefing up for the next cycle then [19:37] if you have an irc shell, it would be useful to follow how things usually roll by following this channel [19:37] most of the xubuntu contributors are more or less active on IRC [19:37] so it's the natural platform for a lot of discussion [19:38] being around you will also get to know the nicks and people behind them [19:38] and: welcome! [19:38] True. Then I will do that. I always forget to start IRC but I'll just let my client idle and check in every now and again. [19:38] Thank you! [19:38] you might or might not remember me from the list: i'm the xubuntu project lead (until april 17th) [19:39] Oh yeah, I do remember. I'm still getting names down so please forgive me not connecting [19:39] no problem at all [19:39] it'll take some time [19:39] ochosi is simon, who proposed looking at the python bindings for xfce [19:39] he's also the artwork lead [19:40] Am i correct in assuming pyxfce is what I need to be looking at here? [19:40] well, i don't understand "much" about actual development, but i'd guess yes :) [19:40] and the thunarx-python stuff too [19:41] Excellent. I'm there now and WOW, could use some love is an understatement. I'll also check out the thunar stuff [19:41] usually it's best to work with stuff that will scratch your own itch, eg. fix a bug that annoys you [19:41] True. [19:41] and that's also a very motivating way to start contributing [19:42] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs [19:42] ^ that's the list of bugs we are working on *right now* [19:42] we will try to fix as many of those for 14.04 release as possible [19:42] Many thanks! THAT will come in very handy [19:42] if you find a bug that is not marked with "fix released" and doesn't have an assignee, and think you can fix it, feel free to step up and mark yourself as assignee [19:43] or just shout out in this channel that you are interested in working with that bug [19:43] people will help you when they are around, if they can [19:43] Excellent! Sounds like a very easy process [19:43] well.. it should be ;) [19:44]