[01:45] <brainwash> bluesabre: is bug 1279470 fixed or still pending?
[01:47] <Pwnna> hey guys, did F12 got bound to something in 14.04?
[01:47] <Pwnna> i cannot set it to be a keyboard shortcut
[02:00] <brainwash> Pwnna: I don't think it's bound to anything
[02:00] <Pwnna> sure? because F12 currently doesn't launch my terminal anymore
[02:00] <brainwash> only in combination with some modifier keys
[02:00] <Pwnna> i can bind it to F10, and it will work
[02:00] <brainwash> interesting
[02:01] <brainwash> there is bug 1292290
[02:02] <brainwash> but it's only addressing window manager kb shortcuts
[02:05] <brainwash> Pwnna: can you please create a new user account and try to reproduce the issue?
[02:05] <Pwnna> brainwash: new user?
[02:05] <Pwnna> sure
[02:06] <Pwnna> gotta give me 5
[02:06] <RFleming> Greetings!
[02:06] <brainwash> no need to hurry
[02:06] <brainwash> hello RFleming 
[02:12] <Pwnna> whoo
[02:12] <Pwnna> bug
[02:12] <Pwnna> brainwash: create a user when you have only 1
[02:12] <Pwnna> and then the indicator icon won't change to swtich user
[02:13] <Pwnna> hm
[02:13] <Pwnna> cannot reproduce with new user
[02:13] <brainwash> Noskcaj: sorry that I have to bother you once again, I got negative feedback regarding the menu icon tweaks. well, the "new file" don't seem to fit the "open in new tab/window" entries. I got the idea from pcmanfm.. but it somehow really looks bad after all. new final patch to revert this is already attached to the bug report. thanks :)
[02:14] <Noskcaj> ok. i'll fix it after lunch
[02:14] <Noskcaj> And it's fine, i've got nothing to do anyway
[02:15] <brainwash> btw https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
[02:15] <brainwash> I've attached this patch upstream ^
[02:16] <Pwnna> brainwash: is there anyway to check what is occupying F12?
[02:16] <Pwnna> i upgraded from 13.10. That should be something, right?
[02:16] <brainwash> Pwnna: sure, upload your kb shortcut config file
[02:16] <Pwnna> brainwash: where do i find that file?
[02:17] <brainwash> ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[02:17] <brainwash> it might be contain a broken entry
[02:18] <brainwash> deleting this file will restore the default keybinds
[02:18] <brainwash> after a relog
[02:23] <brainwash> Pwnna: what did you mean by "indicator icon won't change to switch user"?
[02:24] <Pwnna> brainwash: never mind that
[02:25] <Pwnna> brainwash: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4766900
[02:25] <brainwash> so it's not a problem which might affect other users?
[02:26] <Pwnna> brainwash: i don't think so? I use action buttons
[02:27] <brainwash> ah, so you mean indicator-session?
[02:27] <Pwnna> brainwash: yeah
[02:27] <brainwash> ok :)
[02:28] <Pwnna> but yeah, anything interesting in there
[02:28] <brainwash> don't know yet
[02:29] <Pwnna> now F11 is also not working
[02:29] <Pwnna> but F11 is frequently bindded by apps
[02:29] <brainwash> fullscreen
[02:29] <brainwash> I'll try to debug this tomorrow
[02:30] <brainwash> your config file should be useful
[02:31] <Pwnna> okay
[02:31] <brainwash> at this point I have no clue yet why keybinds fail to work
[09:21]  * elfy hates grub fatal errors 
[10:02] <jhenke> hi folks
[10:02] <jhenke> elfy I can fully understand that hate for grub problem :)
[10:06] <elfy> tried with yesterdays daily too 
[10:09] <brainwash> yet another broken thing?
[10:10] <elfy> not our issue though
[10:10] <elfy> back later
[11:22] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: ping me if you need more approvals
[11:33] <brainwash> ali1234: is your title-less windows patch complete and ready to be included?
[11:47] <brainwash> Noskcaj: oh, there is also another untiling issue bug 1110158
[11:48] <brainwash> well, is it still reproducible? I'm using the deskbar panel mode and did not notice anything odd yet
[13:07] <starrats> good morning
[13:07] <bluesabre> knome: will do
[13:08] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, if it was merged, its fixed (marking as so)
[13:12] <brainwash> bluesabre: thanks for taking care of it
[13:20] <ochosi> hey folks
[13:22] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[13:25] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[13:25] <ochosi> what's up?
[13:27] <bluesabre> not much atm
[13:27] <jjfrv8> afternoon, ochosi, can I run some desktop issues by you?
[13:27] <ochosi> go ahead
[13:27] <elfy> upgrading little one's 1204 - it's not very quick process, it's upstairs and I'm not - it keeps asking questions :p
[13:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: that's a good thing though, right? :)
[13:28] <jjfrv8> I upgraded my main machine yesterday from Precise and I'm having some issues with the backgrounds
[13:28] <bluesabre> yes, indeed :)
[13:28] <elfy> bbs - also fighting grub on this machine - I love linux :p
[13:29] <ochosi> jjfrv8: there are some known bugs in xfdesktop
[13:29] <ochosi> check the unresolved ones in the xubuntu-t-bugs blueprint
[13:29] <jjfrv8> I have two monitors with an nVidia GT220 adapter and my backgrounds look like this now: http://imagebin.org/304088
[13:29] <ochosi> haha, nice
[13:30] <ochosi> have you tried to change the wallpaper at all yet?
[13:30] <jjfrv8> it seems like on my main monitor it's a composite of all the backgrounds I've tried
[13:30] <jjfrv8> on my secondary it's okay
[13:31] <jjfrv8> and the background on my greeter screen is my original wallpaper on both monitors
[13:31] <ochosi> ideally xfdesktop should take care of the transition of the configuration
[13:32] <ochosi> but i'd just try to re-set the wallpaper on both monitors with the configuration dialog
[13:32] <ochosi> have you tried that at all?
[13:32] <jjfrv8> yes
[13:32] <ochosi> the other thing you can try is to kill xfdesktop "killall xfdesktop", it'll respawn and hopefully draw the wallpapers correctly the second time
[13:32] <jjfrv8> okay, I'll try that
[13:33] <ochosi> then if that doesn't work you can always open xfce4-settings-editor and reset the xfdesktop channel (right-click the xfdesktop row on the left -> reset channel), then you get a clean configuration
[13:33] <bluesabre> bad day = rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4
[13:41] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I did the reset channel thing and that did seem to fix the problem... at least until I started customizing again :(
[13:42] <jjfrv8> now it's back to the same thing as before.
[13:46] <ochosi> :)
[13:46] <ochosi> so what are you customizing how exactly?
[13:47] <jjfrv8> a background image on primary monitor and solid color on secondary
[13:49] <jjfrv8> but it seems even putting a solid color on both, I end up with the composite stuff on the primary after a logoff
[13:54] <ochosi> so it works at first but after re-logging in it's borked?
[13:54] <ochosi> btw, how did you set up your monitors? nvidia's proprietary drivers or nouveau? xfce's dialog or nvidia's?
[13:57] <jjfrv8> nvidia's. all I had to do after the upgrade was reverse the position of the monitors in the nvidia settings dialog
[13:58] <ochosi> right, i have no idea whether that could create problems
[13:58] <ochosi> i myself use propr drivers but use xfce's dialog to set up my monitors
[13:58] <jjfrv8> btw, it seems if I stay with the stock background images, all is well, even with a different image on each
[13:58] <ochosi> you could try to use that instead
[13:59] <ochosi> a-ha
[13:59]  * ochosi shrugs
[13:59] <ochosi> ideally debug this a bit more and add all your findings in a bugreport upstream on bugs.xfce.org
[13:59] <jjfrv8> wilco
[14:20] <brainwash> jjfrv8, ochosi: bug 1276248
[14:20] <brainwash> maybe it's the same problem
[14:20] <RFleming> brainwash, that's decidedly better than the desktop not setting properly :)
[14:22] <brainwash> but it seems to be a rare failure
[14:24] <RFleming> brainwash, on 14.04 this happens every single log on, but I much appreciate a bit of distortion on log on than bug 1270261
[14:25] <brainwash> it still does?
[14:26] <RFleming> which, background distortion?
[14:26] <brainwash> "Desktop items have background"
[14:26] <RFleming> No
[14:26] <RFleming> that's fixed
[14:26] <RFleming> replaced with "desktop wallpaper distorted on boot"
[14:28] <brainwash> so the distortion happens again? or did it happen all the time since testing 14.04?
[14:28] <RFleming> it lasts about 2-5 seconds for me, usually contains the previous session's logoff screen in the 'box' attached to that bug then everything rights itself and I'm good
[14:28] <brainwash> ah, some nasty artifacts
[14:28] <RFleming> since testing 14.04, this is new
[14:29] <RFleming> it has replaced the 'Desktop items have background' bug
[14:29] <RFleming> once that was fixed, I started to see this
[14:29] <brainwash> we got even a report stating that the previous microsoft windows session was still visible
[14:30] <RFleming> ??
[14:30] <brainwash> after a switch from windows to xubuntu
[14:30] <RFleming> loading something from gpu memory?
[14:30]  * elfy has seen all sorts of things after a restart 
[14:30] <brainwash> indeed
[14:30] <RFleming> agreed
[14:30] <elfy> RFleming: what card is this - what driver?
[14:30] <elfy> I guess nvidia with nouveau
[14:31] <RFleming> me? I've got an nVidia Quadro FX 880M
[14:31] <RFleming> and I'm using the prop tested drivers
[14:32] <brainwash> bug 1267742
[14:32] <elfy> mmm - wasn't seeing that previously with nvidia driver
[14:32] <RFleming> 331.38
[14:32] <elfy> brainwash: yea
[14:33] <RFleming> I'm also using uvesafb
[14:33] <RFleming> cus I like framebuffer :)
[14:33]  * elfy will install nvidia and check 
[14:34] <RFleming> how can I take a screen capture on logon?
[14:34] <RFleming> Prt Sc?
[14:34] <elfy> RFleming: you see the artifacts at the greeter screen? 
[14:34] <brainwash> I doubt that
[14:34] <elfy> camera
[14:35] <brainwash> or pen and paper :D
[14:35] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094788/CAM00031.jpg
[14:35] <elfy> RFleming: kind of like ^^
[14:35] <RFleming> elfy, no artifacts at greeter screen
[14:35] <elfy> so where do you actually see this? 
[14:36] <elfy> once you've logged in and the desktop is starting?
[14:36] <RFleming> take a look at the screenshot attached to 1276248
[14:36] <RFleming> there's this dark box in it
[14:36] <elfy> bug 1276248
[14:36] <RFleming> when I log in, I have remnants of my previous session in that box
[14:37] <elfy> ok - new one on me :)
[14:37] <elfy> and is that from a restart or cold boot?
[14:37] <RFleming> and my screen gets scewed
[14:37] <RFleming> both
[14:38] <RFleming> what I end up seeing is my screen shifts about 30% left, and 15% down, and it wraps.
[14:38] <elfy> ok - I'll try here then - previously installing nvidia for me removed any issues with artifacts
[14:38] <RFleming> but it only lasts a couple of seconds, sorts itself out and I'm good to go
[14:39]  * RFleming is going to try and take a screen shot
[14:39] <jjfrv8> when I log in and out, switching users, I briefly see artifacts of the other users wallpaper before it settles down and shows mine
[14:40] <jjfrv8> and my wallpaper is screwed up unless I use one of the stock images (as reported earlier)
[14:41] <elfy> can't confirm that
[14:43] <RFleming> of course, now that I want it to happen, it won't :)
[14:43] <elfy> lol
[14:44] <elfy> I restarted with nvidia driver - this is when I would expect to find no artifacts on the desktop from previous experience - same this time
[14:44] <RFleming> I had my lappy logged off all night, when I logged in this morning I had that artifiacting... now it's working fine.
[14:44] <RFleming> I even restarted, with no issue.
[14:44] <elfy> I'll keep it as is for the time being and see if it is a random issue
[14:45] <RFleming> I just jumped on brainwash because I had that exact issue he was talking about when I joined.
[14:45] <RFleming> (the channel this morning)
[14:46] <elfy> :)
[14:48] <RFleming> overall though, I've been using 14.04 since late February and haven't had any real issues... just small things, and they typically disappeared (and subsequently replaced with other small things) in a relatively short period of time.
[14:50] <elfy> yep - not had much in the way of show stoppers here either, I've been running it since November
[14:50] <RFleming> I really need to learn how to search through launchpad for bugs though.  I have no clue how to.
[14:51] <RFleming> I had an issue that scribblezatcha helped me with
[14:51] <RFleming> the update a couple of days ago knocked out my sound indicator icon :)
[14:58] <brainwash> RFleming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs is very handy
[15:00] <brainwash> and feel free to test anything from my PPA (if you are familiar with installing from a PPA)
[15:00] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[15:02] <brainwash> RFleming: the sound indicator is currently not launching automatically due to a change made by the ubuntu guys for Unity
[15:03] <brainwash> you can easily re-enable it via settings manager > session and startup > autostart apps
[15:04] <RFleming> yep.  Have done that :)
[15:05] <RFleming> brainwash, to be honest, I never even thought to look there :)
[15:05] <RFleming> then scribblezatcha suggested it, and voila
[15:07] <RFleming> oh, speaking of indicators.  Is there any way to change the priority of what's displayed on the power indicator?
[15:07] <ochosi> no
[15:07] <RFleming> :( 
[15:07] <ochosi> it automatically decides what's more important/critical
[15:08] <RFleming> so a mouse that is discharging and a keyboard that doesn't exist trumps a laptop battery that's charging
[15:08] <RFleming> got it.
[15:23] <RFleming> Hey elfy, I've just noticed something in Settings.
[15:23] <RFleming> I now appear to have 2 'Additional Drivers' icons in Hardware.
[15:25] <elfy> yea - we know about that issue
[15:26] <RFleming> alrighty :)
[15:26] <elfy> the fix is pending 
[15:29]  * RFleming grins
[15:29] <RFleming> I'm not worried about a fix coming, it eventually does
[15:35] <elfy> lderan: not sure if this is expected behaviour - had nouveau, no screensaver - set to Never, install nvidia driver - seems to set it to 1 minute - had to reset to Never
[15:36] <lderan> will look into that elfy 
[15:36] <elfy> okey doke
[15:54] <brainwash> elfy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2215325
[15:54] <brainwash> your answer does not make any sense :)
[15:55] <brainwash> this is the 2nd time I hear/read about this problem with suspend
[15:55] <brainwash> but maybe it's just the same person
[15:57] <elfy> it does now ... 
[15:59] <brainwash> thanks
[15:59] <brainwash> sadly no additional info in the original thread
[16:00] <elfy> nope
[16:00] <elfy> many threads in +1 are like that unfortunately
[16:05]  * GridCube is having issues with the suspension as well
[16:06] <brainwash> xfce related?
[16:06] <GridCube> i tried to restart xfce4-power-manager but it wont work after it goes to suspension
[16:06] <GridCube> when it comes back i can't open the power manager
[16:06] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244
[16:07] <brainwash> so you cannot open the settings dialog
[16:07] <GridCube> not after it wakes up 
[16:07] <brainwash> did you try to restart the power manager?
[16:07] <GridCube> if it wakes up, at least once i had to force a reboot
[16:09] <brainwash> and did you try to create a debug log file like I've told you?
[16:10] <brainwash> running xfpm in debug mode inside a terminal window
[16:10] <GridCube> i tried to restart it yes it did nothing, ill try the debug now if you tell me how to
[16:10] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager --debug
[16:11] <brainwash> you might need to kill the currently running instance of xfpm before
[16:12] <GridCube> kay
[16:12] <GridCube> trying
[16:14] <GridCube> trying to run --debug says that its already running, even after i killalled it with and without sudo
[16:14] <GridCube> rebooting and trying again
[16:15] <brainwash> you can uncheck the autostart entry for it and then start it manually
[16:23] <GridCube> great, now is not comming back
[16:23] <GridCube> its awake, i can go to ttys but tty7 is not responding
[16:24] <GridCube> aaaand, pressing the powerbuton to call the login stage shutdown the computer properly
[16:24] <Pwnna> is there a way to create a new user account that has the new xfce settings 
[16:25] <Pwnna> but keep all of my old account's stuff? like files with the permissions and such
[16:25] <Pwnna> i've upgraded this machien from 12.04 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04 and lots of settings are not working
[16:25] <brainwash> most xfce related settings are located in ~/.config/xfce4/
[16:26] <brainwash> renaming this folder should restore the default configuration on next login
[16:27] <GridCube> k i have to cook now
[16:27] <Pwnna> for example after i login with my current user my screen resolution goes to 1024x768
[16:27] <Pwnna> i'll try that
[16:41] <Pwnna> it worked!
[16:41] <Pwnna> brainwash: the F12 key is now working.
[16:41] <Pwnna> what's startup notifcation for keyboard shortcut, btw?
[16:43] <brainwash> Pwnna: I think it's used to trigger the busy cursor while the app is launching
[16:43] <Pwnna> oh
[16:43] <Pwnna> i wish there is a way to get a libnotify notifcation
[16:44] <Pwnna> wait
[16:44] <Pwnna> F12 is definitely hijacked by something
[16:45] <Pwnna> it worked and then stopped working
[16:45] <brainwash> dynamically?
[16:45] <brainwash> :D
[16:46] <brainwash> but it's a major annoyance
[16:48] <brainwash> customizability is an important part of Xfce
[16:48] <brainwash> so broken keybinds are bad
[16:50] <Pwnna> idk how this is not working
[16:50] <Pwnna> it worked and then stopped
[16:50] <Pwnna> i can relogin
[16:55] <Pwnna> brainwash: discovered something!
[16:55] <Pwnna> when i add a shortcut to super+F12 the f12 shortcut stops working
[16:55] <Pwnna> i can try it in a new user acc
[16:55] <GridCube> alright, executing sudo killall light-locker from tty1 let me go to tty7 and login to my desktop
[16:56] <GridCube> but the running terminal that had the xfpm --debug is gone so i dont know what it said
[16:56] <Pwnna> wait. in fact Super+F12 replaces F12
[16:58] <Pwnna> so if you create 2 shortcuts, Super+F12 and F12
[16:58] <Pwnna> the second one will replace the first one.
[17:01] <elfy> Pwnna: I can confirm that if there is a bug report
[17:01] <elfy> but I'm not here atm :)
[17:02] <Pwnna> elfy: you can confirm that?
[17:02] <Pwnna> idk which package to report a bug in
[17:03] <GridCube> Pwnna, i would do it agains xfwm4
[17:04] <Pwnna> okay
[17:04] <Pwnna> this is pretty major for me as both super f12 and f12 does important functionalities
[17:11] <Pwnna> elfy, GridCube https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1303404
[17:11] <Pwnna> can verify?
[17:15] <GridCube> can't. it works here
[17:15] <Pwnna> ok
[17:15] <GridCube> my f12 drops tilda, super-f12 sends the notification
[17:16] <Pwnna> okay.
[17:16] <Pwnna> well idk
[17:16] <GridCube> well. no. wait. tilda hears the f12 regardles of the shortcut
[17:17] <Pwnna> GridCube: 14.04?
[17:17] <GridCube> yes
[17:18] <Pwnna> hm
[17:18] <GridCube> no, my f12 does nothing after i kill tilda
[17:19] <GridCube> alright, weird
[17:19] <GridCube> i can confirm now
[17:19] <Pwnna> please confirm :P
[17:20] <GridCube> did so
[17:43] <GridCube> brainwash, :( now i consistently can't relog, all the time it leaves a blank screen
[17:45] <brainwash> check some log files
[17:45] <brainwash> like ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[17:46] <brainwash> and of course /var/log/syslog + /var/log/lightdm/
[17:46] <GridCube> k, should i append them all to my bug report?
[17:47] <brainwash> won't hurt
[17:56] <starrats> Question:  Where is the little volume control that used to sit on top of the screen next to the time/date icon?
[17:57] <GridCube> starrats, failing to load
[17:57] <starrats> it's not there for me now
[17:57] <Pwnna> GridCube: are you debugging when you login from sleep you get a blank screen?
[17:57] <starrats> is ikt just mine or is it a glitch in the version
[17:58] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes
[17:58] <GridCube> starrats, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009967.html
[17:58] <Pwnna> thanks
[17:59] <GridCube> Pwnna, you have the same issue?
[17:59] <Pwnna> yea
[17:59] <Pwnna> is there a bug? I can confirm
[17:59] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244
[17:59] <GridCube> Pwnna, thats my bug report
[18:00] <GridCube> but it has evolved from that
[18:00] <Pwnna> GridCube: wait. wut
[18:00] <Pwnna> you mean after you login there's no screen
[18:01] <Pwnna> you can run a Xrandr command
[18:01] <Pwnna> and get your screen back
[18:01] <Pwnna> but then i lose my mouse pointer
[18:01] <Pwnna> and then if you go to CTRL+ALT+DELETE and relogin again everything works
[18:01] <GridCube> i stopped the lightdm service and restarted it, then i could log in
[18:02] <GridCube> i tried to ctrl-alt-del but i got to the login and went back to a black screen, over and over again
[18:03] <Pwnna> GridCube: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Problem-with-wakeup-td5062841.html
[18:04] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes i've seen that thread
[18:05] <Pwnna> yeah.
[18:05] <GridCube> Pwnna, can you open the xfce4-power-manager-settings?
[18:08] <Pwnna> GridCube: when
[18:08] <GridCube> after waking up your suspended pc
[18:18] <GridCube> Pwnna, you are correct, executing an xrandr does start the screen
[18:29] <Pwnna> so i think it's an issue with after login the screen cannot be found correctly
[18:29] <Pwnna> i see the new login screen is like.. another display
[18:29] <Pwnna> previously it's an overlay
[18:29] <Pwnna> so idk
[18:30] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes, now we use light-locker, previously it was the xscreensaver i think
[18:31] <Pwnna> yea
[18:31] <Pwnna> hm
[18:31] <Pwnna> GridCube: also when you wake up the screen brightness is at minimum
[18:38] <knome> xnox, any progress/idea with bug 1284910 ?
[18:43] <GridCube> Pwnna, i don't notice that
[18:49]  * starrats will wait until the xfce volume/sound icon to be fixed.
[18:50] <starrats> I temp. lost wifi  had to reboot the modem and router.
[18:51] <GridCube> starrats, did you not see the link i pasted you?
[18:56] <starrats> yes I did GridCube and I followed all the instructions, rebooted and lost the wifi plus i couldn't logon and had turn off the comp and did a restart.
[18:56] <GridCube> :(
[19:17] <eric_the_idiot> jjfrv8, if you can try xfdesktop from git it should fix your issue
[19:24] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: ah, new commit
[19:28] <eric_the_idiot> yeah, gotta keep you busy with your ppa ;)
[19:31] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone
[19:32] <CajunTechie> I'm looking to get involved as a Python programmer. Any suggestions/tips?
[19:33] <knome> CajunTechie, hey, you one of the people asking for that on the mailing list?
[19:34] <CajunTechie> Knome: Indeed I was :-)(
[19:34] <knome> CajunTechie, ok, did you read about the xfce python bindings?
[19:35] <knome> that would be generally useful to know
[19:35] <CajunTechie> No, I haven't yet. I assume that would be on the XFCE site then?
[19:35] <knome> there was a mail about them
[19:35] <knome> let me dig that up
[19:35] <CajunTechie> Ooh yes, I remember that discussion. That they could use some love
[19:36] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009985.html
[19:36] <knome> yep
[19:36] <knome> other than that, we're pretty late in the cycle, so not much we have time to get you involved with...
[19:36] <knome> ...but we will start working on the next release soon, and think what updates we want/need to land for 14.04.1
[19:37] <CajunTechie> Great! Then I will start beefing up for the next cycle then 
[19:37] <knome> if you have an irc shell, it would be useful to follow how things usually roll by following this channel
[19:37] <knome> most of the xubuntu contributors are more or less active on IRC
[19:37] <knome> so it's the natural platform for a lot of discussion
[19:38] <knome> being around you will also get to know the nicks and people behind them
[19:38] <knome> and: welcome!
[19:38] <CajunTechie> True. Then I will do that. I always forget to start IRC but I'll just let my client idle and check in every now and again.
[19:38] <CajunTechie> Thank you!
[19:38] <knome> you might or might not remember me from the list: i'm the xubuntu project lead (until april 17th)
[19:39] <CajunTechie> Oh yeah, I do remember. I'm still getting names down so please forgive me not connecting
[19:39] <knome> no problem at all
[19:39] <knome> it'll take some time
[19:39] <knome> ochosi is simon, who proposed looking at the python bindings for xfce
[19:39] <knome> he's also the artwork lead
[19:40] <CajunTechie> Am i correct in assuming pyxfce is what I need to be looking at here?
[19:40] <knome> well, i don't understand "much" about actual development, but i'd guess yes :)
[19:40] <knome> and the thunarx-python stuff too
[19:41] <CajunTechie> Excellent. I'm there now and WOW, could use some love is an understatement. I'll also check out the thunar stuff
[19:41] <knome> usually it's best to work with stuff that will scratch your own itch, eg. fix a bug that annoys you
[19:41] <CajunTechie> True. 
[19:41] <knome> and that's also a very motivating way to start contributing
[19:42] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs
[19:42] <knome> ^ that's the list of bugs we are working on *right now*
[19:42] <knome> we will try to fix as many of those for 14.04 release as possible
[19:42] <CajunTechie> Many thanks! THAT will come in very handy
[19:42] <knome> if you find a bug that is not marked with "fix released" and doesn't have an assignee, and think you can fix it, feel free to step up and mark yourself as assignee
[19:43] <knome> or just shout out in this channel that you are interested in working with that bug
[19:43] <knome> people will help you when they are around, if they can
[19:43] <CajunTechie> Excellent! Sounds like a very easy process
[19:43] <knome> well.. it should be ;)
[19:44] <knome> ...and the cherry at the top: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu.html
[19:44] <CajunTechie> I have to say, it's a much easier process than some other projects I've been part of. This looks fun
[19:44] <knome> our current progress towards the release
[19:44] <knome> we will most probably not hit 100%, but at least we have some idea where we are at
[19:45] <knome> and as you can see, most of the sub-blueprints are done
[19:45] <CajunTechie> Very ysefyl
[19:46] <knome> if you have any qeuestions... just ask
[19:46] <CajunTechie> + useful
[19:46] <CajunTechie> lol
[19:46] <knome> and again: welcome
[19:46] <CajunTechie> I will. I'm going to spend some time studying now and getting the lay of the land. Thank you again!
[19:46] <knome> no problem
[19:46] <knome> be back in a bit ->
[19:50] <Noskcaj> CajunTechie, If pyxfce is too daunting, (it's not been updated since 4.6 i think), bluesabre makes a fair few of our python apps, and might have some stuff you can work on
[19:54] <knome> there is infrastructure that runs on python too, which is what lderan mostly works with
[19:55] <knome> Noskcaj, we should do various of uploads before 10th for translation updates
[19:55] <knome> -of
[20:00] <lderan> hello :)
[20:03]  * Logan_ waves
[20:03] <lderan> hello Logan_ :)
[20:03] <Noskcaj> knome, I'm back, light-loocker crshed my pc again
[20:03] <Logan_> I'm a MOTU who's about to make the switch to Xubuntu, so feel free to give me tons of merge/sync requests :P
[20:03] <Noskcaj> hey logan
[20:03] <knome> ooh ooh ;)
[20:03] <Logan_> I heard there's a need for people with upload rights over here
[20:03] <Logan_> from a certain person named Jackson
[20:03] <knome> definitely...
[20:03] <Noskcaj> :)
[20:04] <knome> poke Noskcaj (your person), bluesabre and ochosi 
[20:04] <Noskcaj> There's a fair few uploads waiting in the sponsoring queue
[20:04] <knome> that would be a good place to start
[20:05] <Noskcaj> thunar and xfwm4 spring to mind
[20:05] <Noskcaj> knome, Should we take some upstream git snapshots for translation updates, or is the a better way?
[20:08] <Noskcaj> i think my mouse has stopped working now
[20:08] <Noskcaj> the cursor
[20:10] <knome> Noskcaj, hrmph, i'd dicsuss that with people who know the conventions better
[20:10] <knome> i'd guess it depends what our current version in ubuntu is
[20:11] <brainwash> Noskcaj: untiling patch yes/no?
[20:11] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
[20:12] <brainwash> adding all these separate patches is a bit scary though
[20:13] <brainwash> but that's the ubuntu way I guess :)
[20:14] <Noskcaj> brainwash, If you need motivation, try to get as many patches in as gnome-control-center
[20:14] <brainwash> more patches than actual code? :D
[20:15] <Noskcaj> -0ubuntu54
[20:15] <Noskcaj> nuff said
[20:16] <brainwash> but isn't that some ancient version which gets patched to the limit?
[20:18] <pleia2> Noskcaj: is it possible that this regressed? Just had someone complaining about it on trusty, just updated their kernel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[20:18] <pleia2> closes lid, suspends even though they don't want it to
[20:19] <brainwash> maybe power-manager crashed and does not respond anymore
[20:19] <Noskcaj> pleia2, I've got the same issue. It's possible it regressed like that, could be something else though
[20:19] <brainwash> a regression is somewhat unlikely
[20:20] <brainwash> systemd did not change
[20:20] <brainwash> neither did the power-manager
[20:20] <pleia2> thanks brainwash 
[20:21] <brainwash> but we got reports that the power-manager stopped working after the first suspend
[20:22] <pleia2> I'll ask
[20:23] <pleia2> I like suspend, so :)
[20:27] <Noskcaj> Unlikely, but http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=83b20fd2335a2cc54577019ea9af1a664a93ac28 could be related
[20:46] <jhenke> good night
[22:25] <ochosi> humm, some ppl report suspend problems
[22:25] <ochosi> and i'm wondering whether those are general suspend problems or related to greeter or locker
[22:26] <elfy> I've kind of seen some rumbling - but I've not been very awake - I can try tomorrow with this machine and the laptop
[22:26] <elfy> then whatever logs we need we can have 
[22:27] <ochosi> problem is that for me suspend wasn't that reliable from the beginning in 14.04
[22:27] <ochosi> so it's not totally unlikely that it's related to other stuff
[22:27] <ochosi> (like graphics driver, etc)
[22:28] <elfy> suspend on this machine has always been solid
[22:29] <elfy> I just never do it - it being a desktop - seems a bit pointless
[22:29] <ochosi> yeah
[22:29] <elfy> and the laptop needs a new battery so it is plugged in to the mains ... 
[22:43] <elfy> lderan: you know I said earlier that light-locker-settings was showing the blank screen at 1 minute after I installed nvidia
[22:44] <elfy> I set it to never - seems that since I logged back in it was at 1 minute again
[22:44] <ochosi> have you checked xfpm
[22:45] <elfy> ochosi: yea - that was all set to Never still 
[22:45] <ochosi> have you checked "xset q" ?
[22:45] <ochosi> there are a few values you can check
[22:45] <ochosi> mostly the DPMS stuff
[22:45] <ochosi> and ScreenSaver
[22:46] <elfy> Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[22:46] <elfy> dpms ^^
[22:46] <elfy> prefer blanking:  yes
[22:46] <elfy> screen saver ^^
[22:46] <elfy> oh bah - ignore me completely
[22:47] <elfy> sigh - no don't ignore me lol
[22:47] <elfy> I did a clean install - thought I was in that for a moment ... 
[22:47] <ochosi> oh bah, don't send me on emotional rollercoasters just like that! :p
[22:47] <elfy> ochosi: so this only happened after I installed the nvidia driver ealrier today
[22:48] <elfy> reinstalling nouveau - will check what that does tomorrow morning
[22:49] <brainwash> bug 1303493
[22:49] <brainwash> which package is causing this?
[22:49] <brainwash> surely not xfdesktop4
[22:50] <ochosi> debian-installer maybe
[22:50] <ochosi> not sure thogh
[22:50] <ochosi> though
[22:52] <lderan> elfy, will try that myself tomorrow, got an old pc with an nvidia card in it
[22:53] <elfy> lderan: ok
[22:54] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, reassigned it
[23:34] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot, thanks, but I'm afraid I don't know how to install from git
[23:34] <ochosi> maybe brainwash will put it in his ppa
[23:37] <elfy> ages since I needed numlockx - forgot all about that
[23:51] <knome> ochosi, poke Logan_ 
[23:52] <ochosi> what for?
[23:52] <knome> 23:03  Logan_: I'm a MOTU who's about to make the switch to Xubuntu, so feel free to give me tons of merge/sync requests :P
[23:52] <ochosi> weeee
[23:52] <ochosi> nice
[23:53] <ochosi> in that case, i'll prepare another upload for xubuntu-artwork with new icons
[23:53] <ochosi> i mean new icon sizes
[23:53] <ochosi> we just got a huge bunch of stuff fixed
[23:54] <Unit193> Wow, awesome.
[23:54] <brainwash> jjfrv8: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[23:54] <elfy> wow
[23:54] <knome> Logan_, see? that's how much we needed uploaders...
[23:55] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[23:55]  * elfy ensures that Logan_ 's arms haven't been snapped off 
[23:58] <jjfrv8> brainwash, I already have that ppa installed but I see that xfdesktop got updated 4 hours ago. I'll try running an update.
[23:59] <brainwash> yes, the last upload contains the needed patch
[23:59] <brainwash> "fix for monitors not getting updated"