[00:00] <skribblezatcha> i hear you, well i just play nintendo 64 games that i run with wine, and play supertuxkart which is a native linux racing game..and i am content with that so.
[00:00] <skribblezatcha> i dont use windows anymore, i havent used windows in about a year.
[00:00] <linuxthefish> wow
[00:00] <skribblezatcha> wow what linuxthefish?
[00:01] <Pappy55uk> i can see myself switching if Steam OS takes off
[00:01] <skribblezatcha> its pretty much up and running as far as i can see Pappy55uk.
[00:02] <linuxthefish> i would run linux full time but my computer isn't compatible
[00:02] <linuxthefish> so only on servers :(
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=steamOS
[00:02] <Pappy55uk> dident Commodore release a linux build with an official C-64 and Amiga enviroment buint into it?
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> why isnt your computer compatible linuxthefish?
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> i dont know Pappy55uk, to be honest.
[00:03] <linuxthefish> some ACPI things
[00:03] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha 100% fan after resume from suspend
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> really linuxthefish? with ALL linux distros?
[00:03] <linuxthefish> yes
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> maybe just going and installing the acpi package is what you need to do?
[00:04] <linuxthefish> tried that :(
[00:04] <skribblezatcha> lm-sensors?
[00:04] <linuxthefish> 5 seconds
[00:04] <skribblezatcha> ok.
[00:05] <linuxthefish> also enabling trim deleted everything on my SSD :(
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> i plan to use linux for my home media pc under the TV when i get the extra parts sorteed
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> thats cool Pappy55uk.
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> just hope there are ssome good emulators
[00:05] <ScottsDesk> nice thing about live cd can browse and do stuff while installing
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> for Megadrive (genesis) SNES and MAME
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> there are a few good ones, and ways to get games running on linux.
[00:06] <skribblezatcha> i like that too ScottsDesk.
[00:06] <skribblezatcha> i know that there are a few linux emulators for all of those Pappy55uk. this is evidence of that, one sec.
[00:07] <skribblezatcha> http://scottjarvis.com/page105.htm
[00:07] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha all sensors are normal temp :/
[00:07] <linuxthefish> after resume
[00:08] <linuxthefish> wait, temp7 is 90'C
[00:08] <skribblezatcha> do you have a multicore pc?
[00:08] <linuxthefish> duel core
[00:09] <skribblezatcha> ok, cool. do you happen to have the sensors plugin installed?
[00:09] <linuxthefish> lm-sensors?
[00:09] <linuxthefish> it's freezing cold air out PC and the 2nd highest temp is 25'c :/
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> no, within your panel, let me share a screenshot real quick. mind you this is upup raring 3.9.9.2 but i am running xfce 4.10.2 on it, so the same plugins are available for xubuntu. one sec.
[00:10] <ScottsDesk> Anyone have a nice script to run that will do all the basic things to install or add to a new install?
[00:11] <Pappy55uk> so is it essential to learn the terminal?
[00:11] <ScottsDesk> 90c ? thats aweful hot is it not?
[00:11] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04052014_-_08_10_11_PM-jDtLj6pj.png  see the sensors plugin showing the temp in the shot linuxthefish?
[00:12] <linuxthefish> no i don't have that :(
[00:12] <skribblezatcha> its a very good thing Pappy55uk, but take your time learning it. go and read online when you want to know something, etc. using linux and a need to know basis will teach you.
[00:12] <skribblezatcha> ok, well thats something that you may want to add to the panel linuxthefish, if you want?
[00:12] <ScottsDesk> im glad i grew up in the command line era... god can you imagine once we all die there wont be any real help out there... it will be just advanced users
[00:13] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha but is there any way to fix super high speed fan?
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> run this command linuxthefish, sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> i dont see why there wouldnt be linuxthefish, but its not on the pc that you are on is it?
[00:13] <linuxthefish> no, it's on my laptop
[00:14] <skribblezatcha> lol ScottsDesk.
[00:14] <ScottsDesk> everyone will just be told... ohh you must have a virus...
[00:15] <Pappy55uk> virus on linux?
[00:15] <ScottsDesk> no
[00:15] <Pappy55uk> there are only very few knoen oines i believe
[00:15] <skribblezatcha> lets hope not ScottsDesk.
[00:15] <linuxthefish> i think i have the virus on linux laptop :/
[00:15] <skribblezatcha> what OS do you have installed to the one having the fan issues linuxthefish?
[00:16] <linuxthefish> xubuntu
[00:16] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, thanks.
[00:16] <ScottsDesk> I am so glad I moved away from windows, but you can get trojans, and backdoors even in linux... not to mention the backdoor put into most hardware wise
[00:17] <skribblezatcha> you have cleaned the fan right linuxthefish?
[00:17] <Pappy55uk> i want to move away from windows
[00:18] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha yes...
[00:18] <Pappy55uk> but being a gamer
[00:18] <Pappy55uk> it means a lot of pain
[00:18] <skribblezatcha> true that ScottsDesk.
[00:18] <linuxthefish> it's fine before suspending and it's fine on windows
[00:18] <skribblezatcha> ok cool linuxthefish.
[00:19] <ScottsDesk> i get that I really want to play dayz, but will have to wait till i put together enough extra to get a separat system for that.
[00:21] <skribblezatcha> http://tuxtweaks.com/2008/08/how-to-control-fan-speeds-in-ubuntu/  check this out linuxthefish.
[00:22] <linuxthefish> pwmconfig command not found...
[00:22] <skribblezatcha> did you run the other commands first?
[00:23] <linuxthefish> yes...
[00:23] <linuxthefish> sensors works fine
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> nice, you scanned them and everything?
[00:24] <linuxthefish> yes
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> cool.
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> you activated the modules and all of that?
[00:24] <linuxthefish> yes, also rebooted..
[00:27] <a_muva> power-manager is not working. Window does not show if I issue a command xfce4-power-manager, in terminal.
[00:29] <skribblezatcha> linuxthefish: see if fancontrol is in repo man, and if so install that and see if that helps.
[00:30] <skribblezatcha> yes, it should be in there. i just checked.
[00:35] <ScottsDesk> Well one thing I do like is with this os is each window is separate... unbutu drove me crazy with open windows the I had to mouse all the way to the top left to shut down or manage
[00:36] <skribblezatcha> i cant stand unity, i dont like gnome 3 either. so i tend to stick with the more traditional styled DE's..or those that can be made to act like one.
[00:36] <skribblezatcha> XFCE just ended up being my DE of choice because its light, stable, and has the features and things that i want in a DE.
[00:37] <ScottsDesk> yeah I was trying to actually mess with uninstalling many parts of it... but would uninstall something that was too tied to it and crash it...lol
[00:38] <skribblezatcha> lol
[00:38] <skribblezatcha> i did the same thing.
[00:38] <Kekai> I used to defend Ubuntu/Unity
[00:39] <Kekai> but the later 12.04 updates made it buggy and slow
[00:39] <ScottsDesk> Im just so glad I got away from windows what a joke.. compared to this... I would rather put a little effort into installing something command line than ever go back to that fraking bloat of a joke os
[00:40] <Kekai> ^
[00:40] <Kekai> I dont like that windows keeps the files from programs
[00:41] <Kekai> it makes it bloated after a while
[00:41] <ScottsDesk> I started out msdos command line installing and slowly got used to windows, and I loved xp which in my opinion was a great os... but now you have som much crap running and installing updating in the bg f that... I decide those things
[00:50] <skribblezatcha> i guess here in a few i will head back to xubuntu to check on some updates.
[00:51] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[00:56] <skribblezatcha> you can see that updates are starting to slow down for trusty a bit.
[02:05] <RFleming> Greetings!
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> greetings RFleming.
[02:06] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, not a helluva lot
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> i feel you man, same here. just playing some trivia.
[02:06] <RFleming> updated my home 14.04 today, and sure enough sound indicator not set to start :)
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> lol, did you get it back though?
[02:07] <RFleming> was in a cribbage battle with the wife today, just put her and the kids to bed :)
[02:07] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, checked my list :)
[02:07] <skribblezatcha> thats cool..and good deal. lol
[02:07] <RFleming> Hey skribblezatcha, I've got a question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
[02:08] <skribblezatcha> ok..
[02:08] <RFleming> how does one change what the power manager displays on the notification icon?
[02:08] <RFleming> I'd like it to show my laptop battery, but right now it's showing my mouses instead
[02:08] <RFleming> err mouse's
[02:09] <RFleming> I know it switches when on battery, but I don't care about my mouse so much
[02:09] <RFleming> more importantly, it's showing battery settings for a keyboard that doesn't exist
[02:09] <Kekai> lol
[02:09] <RFleming> because of the Logitech Unified dongle I suppose
[02:10] <`Fibz> it should have 2 icons, one for laptop battery and one for mouse/keyboard battery
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> i dont know, thats a good question. i was trying to figure out how to add another messenger to the message indicator on the indicator plugin.
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> mine just has the one for the battery icon i believe.
[02:10] <RFleming> `Fibz, it shows all three on the same icon
[02:11] <`Fibz> hmm... not here. i got 12.04, 13.10 and 14.04 running and all have 2 separate icons, 1 for UPS/laptop battery and one for wireless keyboard / mouse battery
[02:14] <`Fibz> in xfce power settings: what is currently set for System Tray Icon?
[02:15] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[02:15] <RFleming> http://picpaste.com/power-y2nQHQYK.png
[02:15] <`Fibz> that doesnt look like either of my icons
[02:16] <RFleming> never show
[02:16] <`Fibz> change that if you want to see that laptop battery
[02:17] <RFleming> the mouse changes to the battery when discharging
[02:17] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[02:17] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, yours look like mine?
[02:17] <RFleming> http://picpaste.com/power-y2nQHQYK.png
[02:18] <RFleming> `Fibz, I could do that, then I have 2 :)
[02:18] <RFleming> two is one too many
[02:19] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see what you mean now. i'm not on xubuntu right now. let me shoot to it real quick. brb.
[02:19] <`Fibz> http://picpaste.com/systray-IteIpKey.png
[02:19] <RFleming> lol
[02:19] <RFleming> `Fibz, yeah, you have two
[02:21] <`Fibz> do you get both when set to always show?
[02:22] <skribblezatcha> is that within the indicator plugin RFleming?
[02:24] <skribblezatcha> ok i see it now, when i put my battery back in.
[02:25] <skribblezatcha> no, mine looks different RFleming. want to see a screenshot?
[02:28] <RFleming> sure
[02:28] <RFleming> mine is different when my mouse is on
[02:29] <RFleming> sorry, not mouse... Logitech mouse/keyboard unified dongle
[02:29] <skribblezatcha> well this is a laptop too so.
[02:31] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04052014_-_10_30_17_PM-eI0mZhjN.png
[02:31] <skribblezatcha> see? mine just has the battery there.
[02:32] <RFleming> Ok, gotta do a few things.
[02:32] <RFleming> bbiab
[02:32] <skribblezatcha> take it easy man.
[03:31] <CyborgCygnus> Can you mount a directory folder as a USB DISK? I can't get shared folders working in virtualbox & want to attempt mounting a Virtual Disk Drive instead seeing as the VM can pick up USB Drives.
[03:32] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: you should be able to mount as you please, and as the technology dictates.. what is not working with a vbox share?
[03:34] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, In the VM's settings I setup a shared folder, I have installed the oracle virtual box guest additions as well as the extensions which got usb disks working but however when in the VM I attempt to mount the shared folder through the terminal & it won't work. Also this version is supposed to be drag & drop capable between host - guest, it's set to be bidirectional yet that also doesn't work. Hope that makes sense.
[03:36] <CyborgCygnus> Also I'm probably not supposed to but I'm running the ovb (Oracle Virtual Box) as root.
[03:36] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i dont think you should have to mount in the terminal like that
[03:36] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i would expect to need guest additions, which you have.. then, i would think it would "just work"..
[03:37] <CyborgCygnus> Am I supposed to add permissions  in the host? Well it says it should auto mount shared folders but nothing happens. I've restarted the VM a million times, reinstalled guest additions & the extensions yet nothing.
[03:37] <holstein> is this the virtualbox in the repos?
[03:37] <CyborgCygnus> Yes
[03:37] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i dont think its much of a permissions thing like that..
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, Okay. Version 4.3.6
[03:38] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i agree, it "should" auto-mount
[03:38] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: both host and guest are linux?
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> Yep
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> Both xubuntu 14.04
[03:39] <holstein> lol.. best case scenario, you would think
[03:39] <CyborgCygnus> I know right.
[03:39] <holstein> though, i have not run vbox on 14.04, yet.. i suppose that could be broken
[03:51] <skribblezatcha> goodnight everyone and God bless.
[04:56] <ScottsDesk> Hello I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to monitor a internet data connection with xubuntu, I want to monitor from the router endpoint like I guess it would be via the ip address assigned to me?
[04:56] <ScottsDesk> this way I see all traffic even possible hidden outside my machine
[04:57] <`Fibz> wireshark and etherape
[04:58] <`Fibz> and thousands of other tools
[04:58] <ScottsDesk> can it be installed on xubuntu... I tried it and kept getting a message that I needed winpcap installed?
[04:59] <`Fibz> sourceforge.net is full of them. some are in the xubuntu repository and can be installed through software center
[04:59] <`Fibz> ScottsDesk, yes, check ubuntu software ceneter
[04:59] <`Fibz> center*
[04:59] <ScottsDesk> ok
[05:00] <ScottsDesk> but the winpcap issue...
[05:00] <ScottsDesk> ?
[05:00] <`Fibz> what kind of monitoring did you have in mind?
[05:01] <`Fibz> pcap gets installed when you install something that needs it (like wireshark)
[05:02] <ScottsDesk> well like wireshark... trying to locate possible hidden hardware enabled on a server inside the network thats connecting to a server... but dont know where
[05:04] <ScottsDesk> there is a possible server with a hardware installed in the bios that can be enabled outside and once inside well you know
[05:04] <ScottsDesk> inside my network
[05:06] <`Fibz> you might be interested in kali linux, you can just run it as a live disk. it has all these security tools pre-installed: http://www.kali.org/
[05:06] <`Fibz> but you dont need it. kali is built on ubuntu. everything in kali can be installed on xubuntu
[05:07] <`Fibz> (built on ubuntu but not supported by canonical)
[05:07] <Unit193> No, Kali is Debian stable based.
[05:07] <`Fibz> is it?
[05:07] <nonuby> whats the service the automount usb drives (I can see it with sudo fdisk -l as fat32), i suspect I may have removed something in attempts to optimize power/boot
[05:07] <Unit193> `Fibz: Oh yeah.
[05:07] <`Fibz> could have sworn i saw ubuntu in the cli
[05:08] <`Fibz> well the theory still stands.   everything included in kali can be installed on xubuntu.
[05:09] <ScottsDesk> best I can tell its a intel atm type hardware or on some like its also installed on some amd systems... its remote admin basically but hardware so its hidden even from the os so
[05:11] <ScottsDesk> anyone know how other than unplug everything disable it once I locate it?
[05:11] <`Fibz> there are plenty of other rooms with better knowledge of security issues. #security or ##networking being examples
[05:13] <`Fibz> if it's running a signed cert you wont get much with wireshark alone
[05:14] <`Fibz> etherape will help pinpoint
[05:16] <ScottsDesk> ill try both and see
[05:18] <`Fibz> there is also nmap and zenmap
[05:22] <xubuntu138> hello
[05:22] <`Fibz> hi
[05:23] <xubuntu138> ran into a bump when switching to xubuntu on my machine is it ok to ask fro help here?
[05:24] <`Fibz> this is the xubuntu help channel. go for it?
[05:24] <xubuntu138> well I can seem to get my printer to work properly. It's an Ricoh Aficio 1515fm network printer, but the default driver doesn't work.
[05:25] <xubuntu138> any ideas?
[05:25] <`Fibz> doesnt work as in doesnt install?
[05:26] <xubuntu138> Well xbunut finds it in the network and uses a default driver, but instead of printing the test page it prints out a whole bunch of gibberish.
[05:28] <`Fibz> is it possible to try printing from it locally?
[05:28] <xubuntu138> hmmm haven't tried
[05:29] <xubuntu138> But then again it's an office printer so i don't think i get acces to plug my computer directly to the printer
[05:30] <`Fibz> i thought not
[05:33] <xubuntu138> oh well guess i'll try later. thanks
[06:10] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, Finally painstakingly mounted the share folder in a terminal with sudo & also copied my file into it with sudo mv source destination as it wouldn't let me drag & drop without permissions.
[10:47] <iciccio> ciao a tutti
[11:03] <acesbatman> hello, anyone awake that feels able to help someone out?
[11:04] <cfhowlett> !askacesbatman
[11:04] <cfhowlett> !ask|acesbatman
[11:13] <acesbatman> Hehe, ok.  I see how it is. :P  The thing I need help with is, I original tried Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32 bit last year around November, then went to 64bit and back again, and updates galore, trying to solve 3 main issues I been having.  1 being the notorious Nvidia drivers, and the fact I am on an old mobo that seems to not like how Ubuntu uses ACPI, and my old 560 Ti graphics card started flaking out and basically said it had enough of this crap, and w
[11:13] <acesbatman> ill black out randomly while booted up to desktop once I updated the graphics driver to 331.  Thats when I started having the major problems.  But the minor problems was ACPI, and Pulseaudio issues over VOIP programs like Skype and such.  Anyways to make my story short, I switched to xubuntu as hearing it was light weight, and indeed it is, and runs almost perfect.   Then I been told I should upgrade to latest, and some opinions got thrown into the
[11:13] <acesbatman>  mix, now I am on Xubuntu 14.04 LTS, and now I am being told that this is just beta and pre-release.  I also hear alot that LTS is better and more stable to be using.  But I have many problems, and I would like to get help for each 1 at a time, and possibly be able to use my 560 again, and not be on my older graphics card.
[11:13] <cfhowlett> acesbatman 14.04 is indeed in beta = final release scheduled for 04/17/14
[11:14] <cfhowlett> acesbatman 560>
[11:14] <cfhowlett> ?
[11:14] <acesbatman> GTX 560 Ti
[11:14] <acesbatman> I reverted back to an older card because of it
[11:15] <cfhowlett> acesbatman what is your computer make/model
[11:15] <acesbatman> its home built, so how would you want me to tell it?  Specs?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> acesbatman good to know.  describe your problems
[11:22] <acesbatman> Well, Skype and another program I used had voip only problems, like crackling or robotic voice, or to best describe it, sounding like when a pc is about to crash in a game, and you got the BSOD... and sounds constantly repeating.  It did not do this all the time, but this was one of the first major problems I had.  The second problem I had was random freezing, but only in firefox and 3d graphic intense games.  The freezes only lasted for maybe 1 se
[11:22] <acesbatman> cond to 15 seconds depending.  The other issue I am having right now is overheating, but that is to be expected with this particular graphics card I am using, but I am unaware of it having these issues on the 560.  The other issue was, getting the right nvidia drivers, which I eventually fixed several times.  Then I ran fwts, just recently, and it had a few errors and warnings with the DSDT and the ACPI.  Anyways, I just want my system back to a st
[11:22] <acesbatman> able setup, and if possible, get it to not freeze anymore, and no more overheating and worries, and swat some bugs, if you know what I mean.
[11:24] <cfhowlett> acesbatman what ubuntu did you have previously?
[11:25] <acesbatman> I have only tried, Unity, KDE, and the Desktops, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, GNOME, and KUbuntu....  I tried those,  and so far I am liking Xubuntu the most, as it is using less CPU which was the other problem I forgot to mention.
[11:26] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu|acesbatman it's optimized for older/lower specification hardware
[11:28] <acesbatman> Ok, cut to the chase, 4GB RAM, 2.8Ghz Duel Core AMD Athlon, 150GB 10000 RPM HD, and GTX 260 OC, was using a 560 Ti... whats the recommended Desktop for that configuration on a 2009 Mobo?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> acesbatman lubuntu
[11:29] <cfhowlett> 14.04 will be supported for long-term.  13.10 is current
[11:31] <acesbatman> wait, I am on Xubuntu though, minus the issues I have been having its been pretty light on me, Ubuntu was the Desktop environment that was giving me the most trouble
[11:31] <acesbatman> can Lubuntu run 3d games and steam, and skype, and youtube stuff pretty good?
[11:32] <cfhowlett> acesbatman lubuntu = ubuntu with different desktop environment.  if the underlying system supports it, the windows environment is merely eye candy.  windows environment does not "run" anything
[11:33] <cfhowlett> acesbatman test it yourself.
[11:33] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <cfhowlett> then logout, choose lubuntu session, login
[11:35] <acesbatman> I thought xubuntu was the lightweight and that lubuntu was going to be dropped?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> acesbatman  1.  right.  2.  Hell no.
[11:40] <acesbatman> eh, I did not have major problems with xubuntu though, it runs fast, its just the high temps on my graphics card, and the ACPI issue I am having with the power, I saw on a post online that Gigabyte motherboards have issues with Ubuntu in general and Linux in general because its meant for Windows, but I am trying to avoid windows
[11:51] <acesbatman> I am referring to my results on the fwts test, I do not know what to do to correct the problems it is reporting, and unable to find anything online about it, except people talking about UEFI, and my system is not UEFI
[11:52] <cfhowlett> acesbatman so you have a gigabyte mobo?
[11:52] <acesbatman> yes
[11:53] <cfhowlett> acesbatman can't help you.
[11:53] <cfhowlett> sorry
[11:53] <acesbatman> know where I can get help for it?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> acesbatman try main channel
[11:53] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu
[11:53] <acesbatman> ok
[11:53] <acesbatman> thanks
[14:20] <RFleming> Greetings
[14:20] <cfhowlett> RFleming and you
[14:21] <RFleming> Thanks cfhowlett
[14:28] <cfhowlett> RFleming ask your ubuntu questions
[14:52] <peyam> hi
[14:53] <RFleming> Hi peyam
[14:53] <peyam> is it anyone here that has time to edit a theme for xubuntu. I struggled with it alot but dont get the wanted result?
[14:55] <peyam> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/simpliX-346404452 this is the theme and My commect there is the issues ive been working on
[14:55] <peyam> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/simpliX-346404452
[14:56] <peyam> ops. sorry dubble paste
[14:58] <RFleming> I don't know how to theme for xubuntu, sorry.
[15:00] <cfhowlett> RFleming www.xfce-look.org has a forum
[15:09] <skribblezatcha> hi.
[15:10] <RFleming> skribblezatcha! ;)
[15:10] <skribblezatcha> RFleming :)
[15:50] <Azelphur> Has anyone noticed that Xubuntu seems to miss windows from the task list occasionally for no apparent reason?
[15:51] <GridCube> Azelphur, are you sure that those windows are not in different virtual desktops?
[15:52] <Azelphur> GridCube: yup, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Apr/2014-04-06-165149_5120x1440_scrot.png
[15:52] <Azelphur> notice...where's the terminal at?
[15:54] <GridCube> what is that icon with a white square with a blue line?
[15:54] <Azelphur> amusingly...it's gedit (it never seems to get the icon right for gedit)
[15:55] <Azelphur> GridCube: ah, I found something interesting, if I tick "Show windows on all monitors", it perks up
[15:55] <Azelphur> which is bizarre, as...it's obviously on that monitor.
[15:56]  * GridCube doesn't know that far
[15:56] <GridCube> Azelphur, i would recommend you to fill a bug report
[15:56] <Azelphur> yea, sounds like a bug report job, you are right
[17:29] <kalle> hi all
[17:29] <kalle> need help to set up xorg second vga screen with matrox g450
[17:30] <GridCube> kalle, do so with arandr
[17:32] <kalle> grid...the problem is that only one screen is shown
[17:32] <kalle> it is cloned
[17:32] <kalle> i see exactly the same on both screens
[17:32] <kalle> i need a xorg.conf example
[17:34] <GridCube> kalle, as said, use arandr, you can drag the windows, one to the side of the other, not overlapping
[17:34] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. After many years of people asking, I am attempting to implement this feature request for Simple Scan. Please show your support on the Launchpad page if you are affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/simple-scan/+bug/483391
[17:36] <kalle> gridcube....i checked arandr already...it does not show a second screen...it only shows the "default" screen
[17:39] <GridCube> in the "output" menu does it shows the device? is it enabled?
[17:40] <kalle> thats my problem
[17:40] <kalle> the output menu shows only "default"
[17:41] <GridCube> well, theres your problem then
[17:41] <kalle> on manjaro i had it running by defining it in xorg.conf
[17:45] <kalle> how d i manualy set up X here ?
[18:11] <bekks> Install xorg-server, done.
[20:01] <mzr> does anybody have experience getting VMware unity working with Xubuntu on a windows host?
[21:04] <brunost> hi! has anybody here experienced xubuntu 13.10 being stuck at the splash screen?
[21:04] <brunost> I can open another terminal session and it works just fine but it won't start the graphical session
[21:25] <RFleming> Hey elfy
[21:26] <elfy> o/
[21:27] <RFleming> Perhaps you have an answer :)
[21:28] <RFleming> what's the expected behaviour of Maximize on a tiled window?
[21:28] <skribblezatcha> brunost: what commands have you entered to try and get to the desktop?
[21:30] <elfy> RFleming: not sure tbh - seems to just go back to 'my setting' if I maximize a tiled window
[21:30] <RFleming> elfy, I was expecting it to maximize to fill the whole screen.  I get the same as you with all apps except Chrome, in which Chrome does nothing
[21:30] <RFleming> If I unsnap the tile, then maximize ... err, maximizes
[21:31] <elfy> yep
[21:31] <RFleming> odd behaviour
[21:31] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10084
[21:32] <elfy> tied up with that perhaps
[21:32] <skribblezatcha> fullscreen takes away the maximize, minimize, and close buttons up at the top of the window it appears RFleming.
[21:32] <elfy> fullscreen or maximise
[21:33] <elfy> and I see maximise buttons in fullscreen
[21:33] <elfy> though I'm not using a released version
[21:33] <brunost> skribblezatcha: it does work if I run startxfce4 in the terminal
[21:34] <brunost> but lightdm fails to start
[21:34] <skribblezatcha> those disappear for me in fullscreen mode..atleast this chat window.
[21:34] <skribblezatcha> ok cool brunost. one sec. i cant get out of fullscreen mode now. lol
[21:35] <brunost> lightdm.log outputs cant fint session 'xubuntu' failed to find session configuration lightdm-gtk-greeter failed to create greater session
[21:35] <skribblezatcha> is that what was originally installed brunost, lightdm?
[21:35] <skribblezatcha> it also covers the panels in fullscreen mode.
[21:36] <skribblezatcha> i wish that i knew how to do get out of it.:|
[21:36] <brunost> seems like it as it was a stock installation of xubuntu 13.10
[21:36] <skribblezatcha> ok cool brunost. yeah thats odd. i dont know.
[21:39] <RFleming> elfy, It's maximize
[21:39] <RFleming> I've been doing more experimenting
[21:40] <RFleming> it seems that if I snap something to the right and hit maximize, it does just that
[21:40] <RFleming> if I snap up, left or down, it'll snap back to right.
[21:40] <elfy> I don't get snap left or right here
[21:41] <RFleming> that's because you have the workspace switchet set
[21:42] <elfy> probably ...
[21:42] <RFleming> err... what's that called... workspace wrapping
[21:42] <elfy> yea - of course - I'm being late at night here ... workspaces wrap
[21:43] <RFleming> I've set a hotkey of Super-<arrow keys> for tiling
[21:45] <elfy> firefox - tiled, maximise sets it to original size prior to tiling
[21:45] <RFleming> elfy, and it appears the window manager keyboard shortcut for maximize doesn't work at all.
[21:45] <RFleming> Alt+F7 is supposed to maximize window
[21:45] <elfy> maximise first then dragging to tile it sets it to original size
[21:46] <RFleming> Alt-F5 and Alt-F6 work
[21:46] <elfy> alt+f7 does nothing here - but tahr might be set differently and it's too late at night to be checking
[21:47] <RFleming> I don't know if this is an Xubuntu thing, or an XFCE thing
[21:49] <ux> hello
[21:50] <ux> just installed xubuntu, it had some bugs
[21:50] <TheSheep> !bugs | ux
[21:51] <RFleming> elfy, seems to be an old bug... bug 992579 seems to encapsulate the behaviour
[21:51] <RFleming> also seems to be assigned to xfce-bugs #4695 :)
[21:51] <RFleming> bad link ubottu :)
[21:52] <RFleming> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4695
[21:52] <ux> failed to install grub!!
[21:52] <TheSheep> !!!!
[21:53] <TheSheep> ux: I recently noticed that when enabling 'download updates' at the beginning helps with that
[21:54] <TheSheep> ux: but only if it's the same problem as I had, that it couldn't find the grub package
[21:54] <TheSheep> ux: you can check the logs in /var/log/syslog
[21:54] <RFleming> elfy, solution is in Comment #5... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/992579/comments/5  Alt-F10 is indeed still set to Maximize
[21:55] <ux> thanks TheSheep Ill look into it
[21:59] <ux> wow thats a bit log trying to find it
[22:00] <TheSheep> ux: look at the end
[22:14] <ux> i repaired grub at command line
[22:14] <CyborgCygnus> Best way to refresh a users account or copy their account data to a new account?
[22:16] <ux> how do I change this long ugly name?  /dev/mapper/pdc_bdjajeabgd5
[23:10] <TheX> Hello Is there anyway to get the "Nun Lock" key to boot with Xubuntu?
[23:16] <ochosi> you can use numlockx and put it into autostart
[23:32] <TheX> numlockx Worked great Thanks..
[23:33] <ochosi> no problem
[23:37] <simpleuser> Hi there. Someone told me he can use his mouse to interact with weechat/irssi. I can’t. He told me it could be linked to the multiplexer but it’s the same without byobu. I tried on Guake and xfce4-terminal. Any idea? Or was it an april joke? :)
[23:40] <ochosi> for me scrolling with the mousewheel is the same as arrow up/down (i.e. going through previous posts)
[23:40] <ochosi> other than that i don't have much mouse interaction (apart from hyperlinks obviously)
[23:42] <simpleuser> Yeah, I don’t talk about scrolling but interacting with a menu for example