[00:58] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop recommends gcc - GNU C compiler   - It does?
[00:59] <CarlFK> why not build-essential, and really, why is it recommended at all?
[01:13] <TheMuso> CarlFK: I believe gcc is there and not build-essential because there are some dkms drivers included on the images, and sed drives need to be able to be built for the user, should such dkms drivers be required.
[01:14] <CarlFK> TheMuso: ah, got it.  thanks
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[07:42] <beidl> Hey! Is someone from the unity7 team here who could lend me a hand? I've got problems testing my patch.
[07:44] <larsu> beidl: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-unity
[07:44] <larsu> (though I think unity hackers hang out here as well)
[07:45] <beidl> larsu: alright, makes sense. thank you
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[08:04] <Laney> morning
[08:04] <larsu> hi Laney
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:04] <seb128> &larsu
[08:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:04] <seb128> how are you?
[08:04] <Laney> greetings larsu et seb128
[08:04] <Laney> Ready to sponsor those patches so hard
[08:04] <larsu> seb128: you can't take a pointer to me!
[08:05] <seb128> larsu, lol
[08:06] <Laney> I'm good ;-)
[08:06] <Laney> how are you? good weekends?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm good as well, thanks
[08:07] <seb128> yeah, mostly relaxing (and played some tennis)
[08:08] <seb128> you?
[08:09] <Laney> a brief climb but other than that mainly played games
[08:09] <Laney> got to "100%" on infamous
[08:10] <Laney> games are short these days ...
[08:12] <larsu> Laney: play 2048!
[08:12] <seb128> we should have that installed by default on the phone ;-)
[08:12]  * seb128 wasted quite some hours on it
[08:12] <Laney> still haven't ever ascended in nethack :-)
[08:13] <Laney> larsu: oh yeah, I read about you playing that in hadess' blog post :P
[08:14] <larsu> Laney: we were all playing it that one day and found out that you can get pretty far without thinking
[08:14] <larsu> e.g., always alternate left/up keys
[08:14] <larsu> when nothing moves, take a right
[08:14] <Laney> yeah
[08:15] <larsu> I got a better score doing that than playing manualy
[08:15] <seb128> right, but the "take a right" is where you flip a coin to loose the game
[08:15] <Laney> I didn't manage to execute the strategy properly yet
[08:15] <Laney> what the AIs do
[08:15] <seb128> I won twice only
[08:15] <seb128> what do they do?
[08:15]  * larsu never won
[08:15] <Laney> try and keep the biggest piece in a corner
[08:15] <Laney> and then go descending away from it
[08:15] <seb128> oh, that's basic logic :p
[08:15] <Laney> yes, but they manage to win doing it
[08:16] <larsu> Laney: this is what the strategy I just said does
[08:16] <larsu> more or less
[08:16] <seb128> if you have an high number not in a corner you get a low number in the corner which becomes a dead spot
[08:16] <Laney> whereas I have to make a move that makes you lose
[08:16] <seb128> right, you need to plan your moves with the goal of always keeping available moves
[08:17] <seb128> so you don't have to take the right step larsu described
[08:17] <seb128> one other strategy is to block the high number by a full line
[08:17] <seb128> so you can go the other direction without getting it out of the corner
[08:17] <larsu> ah, that's interesting
[08:17]  * larsu tries to resist the urge to open that page
[08:17] <seb128> ;-)
[08:18] <seb128> hum, I wonder why launchpad and bugzilla logged me out over the w.e
[08:18]  * seb128 logs back in
[08:20] <Laney> http://stackoverflow.com/a/22389702
[08:20] <Laney> that first picture shows it
[08:22] <larsu> interesting
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, http://i.stack.imgur.com/x69jZ.png shows why you don't want to get the big tile out of the corner ;-)
[08:22] <larsu> ha, there's a 4096 in there
[08:22] <Laney> hax!
[08:22] <larsu> win-win!
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, I didn't managed to do that yet ;-)
[08:23] <larsu> just use minmax with alpha-beta-pruning!
[08:23] <larsu> (and a lot of tries ...)
[08:28] <Laney> hmm
[08:28] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty-lp1164252/+merge/200459
[08:29] <Laney> The argument is that sunpinyin is pulled in by l-s
[08:29] <Laney> doesn't that require access to the archive?
[08:29] <Laney> also how early is that run?
[08:30] <Laney> (see linked bug)
[08:30] <seb128> those seem like questions for mvo or pitti?
[08:33] <Laney> I think you would want it even in the live environment
[08:34] <seb128> it seems a bit late in the cycle for seed changes
[08:34] <seb128> but yeah, l-s require internet access
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[08:57] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney!
[08:58] <Laney> oh hello ;-)
[08:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Saw your comment on the IM MP. Did not understand.
[08:58] <Laney> Does it mean that sunpinyin is not installed until l-s pulls in pkg_depends?
[08:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yes (or the installer via check-language-support).
[08:59] <Laney> What's the user experience before that happens?
[08:59] <Laney> (what happens if you're offline and so the package can't be fetched?)
[09:00] <GunnarHj> Laney: Aha... Then what about all other languages but Chinese requring input methods?
[09:01] <Laney> You know, I've never checked
[09:01] <GunnarHj> ;)
[09:02] <Laney> Taking things from a working to a non working state seems bad though
[09:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's not an urgent case. Let's answer those questions first, and keep it as is in 14.04.
[09:03] <Laney> Ok, thanks
[09:03] <Laney> I was a bit nervous about doing that anyway, but I was going to be happy to defer to happyaron there ;-)
[09:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: Actually happyaron approved it.
[09:03] <Laney> exactly
[09:08] <Laney> GunnarHj: For future releases, including a few popular IMs would be a good enterprise, I think
[09:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: Really? ;)
[09:10] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-February/038103.html
[09:10] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-February/038104.html
[09:11] <Laney> Yeah, assuming they don't pull in lots of things or weird things
[09:11] <Laney> It seems kind of like selecting the langpacks to include by default
[09:11] <Laney> I think I skipped over that thread, sorry :P
[09:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: I do think it's worth discussing. But the CJK folks must activate themselves...
[09:12] <Laney> yeah...
[09:13] <Laney> You could argue that it's a change that should come from those affected
[09:13] <Laney> and leave it alone
[09:13] <GunnarHj> Yep.
[09:20] <ricotz> Sweetshark, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77126
[09:20] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 77126 in Writer "Flipping pictures is broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:21] <Sweetshark> ricotz: right now Im more concerned about bug 1300283
[09:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300283 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice does not start in a KDE 4 session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300283
[09:31] <ricotz> Sweetshark, hmm, this is more serious indeed
[09:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: so 4.2.3~rc3 is generally ready for sponsoring as is, bug 1300283 would need some additional work. Would you want to sponsor as is and then possibly do another round just to fix KDE, or wait still?
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300283 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice does not start in a KDE 4 session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300283
[09:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, sponsor it and do another around later
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: aye
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: preparinga and uploading then now, should be ready in an hour or so ...
[09:39] <seb128> cool
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, so I'm testing andyrock's branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/gs-dbus-interface) and it seems it does all we need now
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: but I guess we need to change packaging to get rid of g-s on unity....
[09:58] <seb128> Trevinho, you probably need a ffe, can you guys open a bug explaining the changes?
[09:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[09:58] <seb128> Trevinho, I though we needed to keep g-s for "fallback" scenario (e.g a11y)
[09:59] <Trevinho> seb128: well, the problem is that we own the gs name in unity now...
[10:00] <seb128> that's the proper solution, we need to take into account the a11y case though (I think TheMuso changed to use g-s in those cases)
[10:01] <Trevinho> seb128: what's not working as for a11y in the unity lockscreen now?
[10:01] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/3.6.1-0ubuntu11
[10:01] <seb128> is all I know, you would need to ask TheMuso for specifics
[10:02] <Trevinho> the unity lockscreen has support for screen readers
[10:02] <seb128> TheMuso should have opened a bug with the specifics :/
[10:03] <seb128> TheMuso, ^ please open a bug with details rather than doing workarounds
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/3.10/gtk+-3.10.8.news / https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-3-10
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, do you think that's something we should push for release or SRU?
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, they did quite some commits backports, those are supposed to be safe/bugfixes but you never know with GTK ... ;-)
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, I've it ready, I'm going to upload to the desktop team ppa for a round of testing first in any case
[10:07] <Laney> seb128: probably fine for release ...
[10:07] <Laney> I doubt that we'll get any more testing than now -> release via an SRU anyway
[10:07] <seb128> ok, good, I'm going to push to the queue and see if anyone from release wants to let it in ;-)
[10:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[10:08] <Laney> np
[10:24] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1303712
[10:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303712 in unity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove gnome screensaver from unity installation" [Undecided,New]
[10:25] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[10:26] <seb128> Trevinho, could you describe exactly what is changing, the impact, what happens if both are installed, etc
[10:26] <Laney> Remove how?
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, they want to remove it from the default installation since it's not needed anymore
[10:26] <Trevinho> yeah, I'm very late now. I'll update that soon
[10:27] <Laney> I get that part
[10:27] <Laney> Is this like unseeding?
[10:27] <Sweetshark> seb128: 4.2.3~rc3 at: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/libreoffice-l10n_4.2.3~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/libreoffice_4.2.3~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[10:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[10:28] <Sweetshark> seb128: version is already in the PPAs for ~a day now without any new catastrophic reports. Also was smoketested locally.
[10:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, let's see how it goes ;-)
[10:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, you are working on the KDE issue you mentioned earlier as the next thing?
[10:31] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: imho those changes are going to need more discussion/testing, I'm unsure what else could be using the g-s interfaces and if Unity is a complete replacement/we can expect it to be bug free on the first landing
[10:31] <seb128> not to speak about a11y/need to get details from TheMuso on the issues there
[10:33] <Laney> I think you'd basically need to reimplement all of gnome-screensaver to be able to do this
[10:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes, I would identify the offending commit and revert it.
[10:35] <Sweetshark> seb128: FWIW, rene is a bit agitated by the kde stuff -- it was somewhat flaky even without this new bug, so rene is considering to not build the KDE integration at all.
[10:38]  * Sweetshark sets up a kde VM ...
[10:40] <Amoz> Hi, tested this on a fresh install for latest nightly. Is system settings supposed to control brightness/dim in gnome-shell as well? If so, it doesn't seem to turn off the monitor after x minutes, neither dim it. Known bug? I couldnt find any reported bugs but I'm lost at what to search for, so. If this is the wrong place to ask then do tell
[10:49] <Trevinho> Laney: that's what we did
[10:51] <Trevinho> seb128: unfortunately doing a partial replacement is not possible... As we need to obtain the gs dbus name... One thing we can do is to just change gs to monitor unity presence and then to /enable disable its interface
[10:53] <Laney> Trevinho: I think it'd get bus activated if necessary, so that shouldn't be needed
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[11:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: As regards Nastaleeq license: Actually I think it is already there. It's the same license as the other font.
[11:05] <Laney> GunnarHj: well, the license from the linked website isn't in debian/copyright
[11:06] <Laney> and the first 'it was downloaded from' link seems broken
[11:06] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yes, the site seems to have been moved.
[11:09] <GunnarHj> Laney: New URL for the old font: http://www.cle.org.pk/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesWebNaskh.html
[11:09] <Laney> GunnarHj: so the copyright file is wrong already?
[11:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: Well, yes..
[11:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: It was correct about a year ago.
[11:11] <Laney> Maybe it got relicensed or something
[11:11] <GunnarHj> Laney: If you go to the license document, you'll see that the reference in the copyright file is correct.
[11:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's just the URL that has changed.
[11:14] <Trevinho> Laney: Yes... I mean, in theory no one should call gs before unity...
[11:14] <Trevinho> So in this case we don't need any ffe
[11:17] <Trevinho> Before until starts I mean... And we still might kill gs when starting to prevent that...
[11:30] <seb128> Sweetshark, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/1296715 something you are looking at as well? seems like sort of a show stopper as well
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed]
[11:31] <Laney> Trevinho: probably need to fix the XDG autostart file but killing sounds bad ...
[11:31] <Laney> i.e. remove OnlyShowIn Unity from there
[11:51] <brainwash_> why does the upstart job for indicator-application check if "xsession SESSION=ubuntu" ?
[11:53] <brainwash_> so emitting indicator-services-start won't launch indicator-application in a different session like xubuntu
[11:53] <Laney> There's a branch fixing that
[12:00] <brainwash_> Laney: ah ok
[12:00] <brainwash_> hopefully it will get merged
[12:01] <Laney> It was uploaded today but rejected due to an issue
[12:01] <Laney> Should get retried quite soon
[12:01]  * Laney → lunch
[12:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: yeah, will look at 1296715 too, but that might be a trickier cornercase ...
[12:08] <Trevinho> Laney: oh indeed...
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[13:11] <Laney> Trevinho: someone posts on ubuntu-devel saying that onboard doesn't work in the lock screen
[13:11] <Laney> confirm/deny?
[13:17] <andyrock> seb128, i fixed the power issue yesterday
[13:17] <andyrock> but we need to remove g-s
[13:17] <andyrock> if unity is installed
[13:18] <seb128> andyrock, hey, Trevinho mentioned that earlier, and I doubt that's possible to do
[13:18] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1303712 btw
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303712 in unity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove gnome screensaver with unity installation" [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <andyrock> yeah he told me he opened an FFe
[13:19] <andyrock> i was at university
[13:20] <andyrock> seb128, well without it we can just remove the screensaver
[13:21] <attente> seb128: hey
[13:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: reverted one commit for the KDE4 thing, starts again now. There are a lot more fixes on the upstream -4-2 branch, but I feel its too risky to backport them to 4.2.3 like that. With this we will have LibreOffice starting with KDE4 integration and hopefully an decent experience all around on KDE with an upstream 4.2.4 -- which should then be SRUed quickly.
[13:21] <mvo> seb128: looking at bug #1164558 it appears it simply a polkit agent missing, I'm adding dependencies for u-m now and I wonder if it was ever discussed to have a provides for all the policykit agents so that I don't have to collect them manually
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164558 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Not able to use updater: "You are not allowed to perform this action"" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164558
[13:22] <seb128> andyrock, I did comment on the bug now
[13:23] <seb128> mvo, it has not been discussed that I know, no
[13:23] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[13:23] <seb128> attente, hey, back in Canada or just up in the middle of the night?
[13:24] <attente> seb128: middle of the night :)
[13:24] <seb128> I see ;-)
[13:25] <attente> seb128: i'm wondering if you can take a look at this branch at all? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-control-center/upstream-xkb-option
[13:26] <jibel> could someone have a look at bug 1303516, it crashes the installer.
[13:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303516 in graphite2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303516
[13:26] <andyrock> seb128, screen reader is working on lockscreen
[13:26] <seb128> attente, do you have a bug report/some context
[13:26] <seb128> andyrock, yeah, I don't know why TheMuso said it isn't :/
[13:27] <andyrock> seb128, and osk too
[13:27] <andyrock> seb128, just high-contrast for the entry
[13:27] <seb128> attente, you probably want unity-control-center as well? g-c-c is used only in gnome-shell sessions and I think they want to update it to 3.8 stock upstream/drop some of our patches
[13:27] <andyrock> but dash got the same issue
[13:27] <Laney> osk> what's the mail to devel?
[13:27] <Laney> that
[13:28] <attente> seb128: under gnome-shell and classic, they're doing their input source switching a bit differently by adding a selector that can bring back some of the old xkb input switching options
[13:28] <attente> apparently the functionality is already there in gnome-shell 3.10 and g-s-d 3.8, but we don't have the actual selector in g-c-c 3.6
[13:29] <Laney> nah, onboard doesn't work properly for me there
[13:29] <seb128> attente, ok, I would let the Ubuntu GNOME guys review that, as said I think they wanted to update g-c-c
[13:29] <attente> so we could backport this one commit
[13:29] <Laney> It doesn't always appear
[13:29] <seb128> attente, can you just mp it?
[13:29] <Laney> but if it does appear then you can't type with it
[13:29] <attente> seb128: sure
[13:30] <seb128> attente, thanks
[13:30] <attente> seb128: isn't it a bit late to update g-c-c?
[13:30] <Laney> sure is
[13:30] <seb128> attente, it is, they said they wanted to do it, not sure if they still want to try that
[13:31] <attente> ok
[13:31] <seb128> attente, I've to admit I focussed on Unity and didn't pay much attention to what was happening on the GNOME remix recently
[13:32] <seb128> jibel, do you know if I can easy run that UI/trigger that bug on a desktop?
[13:34] <Laney> andyrock: ^^^ see my comments about onboard - can you try it?
[13:37] <andyrock> Laney, you're right...
[13:37] <andyrock> not sure what's happening
[13:37] <andyrock> was warking before
[13:39] <andyrock> actually sometimes works
[13:39] <Laney> I'll leave it with you ;-)
[13:39] <attente> seb128: do you know if anyone's working on getting the media keys to work on the lock screen?
[13:40] <jibel> xnox, is there a way to only start the language step of ubiquity on a desktop? I tried plugin-viewer-gtk.py ubi-language but it fails
[13:44] <xnox> jibel: oem-config-gtk ? =)
[13:44] <xnox> jibel: that should start off with language step, don't do anything else of course cause it can cause damage.
[13:44] <xnox> and one needs to launch oem-config-prepare first
[13:48] <jibel> xnox, yeah, but the language step is a bit different, and of course it doesn't crash :)
[13:48] <Laney> GunnarHj: have you worked with bkerensa on ubuntu-docs? He's applying for upload rights to it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bkerensa/PPUApplication - your comments appreciated.
[13:49] <xnox> jibel: yeah there are 2-3 ways language step is executed. Which one do you mean? language list -> nothing on the right, language list -> [try or install ubuntu] on the right, language list -> [Text about reading releases notes, oem config field, upgrade installer link]
[13:51] <jibel> xnox, in ubiquity-dm, 1rst screen when you select try/install ubuntu
[13:51] <xnox> jibel: right the maybe-ubiquity mode.
[13:51] <jibel> seb128, easiest way is to start ubiquity directly on your desktop
[13:52] <xnox> jibel: i think we had a cmd line arg that one can pass to trigger that screen.
[13:52] <seb128> jibel, let me try
[13:56] <xnox> <xnox> jibel: apart from weird sizing issues, it should be ok. So far i can't manager to crash it.
[13:56] <xnox> <xnox> jibel: which language did you pick?
[13:56] <jibel> ၓအ့ ်မသး အ့န ဘသအအသး
[13:56] <jibel> နမမ
[13:57] <Laney> indubitably
[13:57] <jibel> sorry
[13:57] <jibel> xnox, it works :)
[13:57] <jibel> xnox, 4th from the bottom
[13:57] <xnox> င ါသအ ာနာသမပ ခသမမကစအငသည
[13:58] <xnox> ူသူ =)
[13:58] <jibel> right
[13:58] <xnox> lol =)
[13:58] <xnox> yeah, i got python3 memory corruption on it as well =)
[13:58] <xnox> i ponder if i can run ubiquity under python3-gdb
[13:58] <xnox> dbg that is
[13:59] <xnox> jibel: you already uploaded a crash dump file?
[13:59] <jibel> xnox, bug 1303516
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303516 in graphite2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303516
[13:59] <seb128> xnox, oh, you are looking at that bug? good
[13:59]  * seb128 drops from his list
[13:59] <xnox> for me it's 5th from the bottom
[14:00] <xnox> seb128: well, i don't think i can do much about it. It's either a problem with that language or a bug in python3 itself....
[14:40] <bigon> seb128: is it a problem for you (and the rest of the desktop team) if I'm uploading nautilus-sendto 3.8 (the version that drops the plugins) now that empathy nst plugin is gone?
[14:41] <seb128> bigon, upload where?
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[14:42] <bigon> to debian unstable *
[14:43] <seb128> works for us I guess, we are going to decide next cycle what we want to do on our side
[14:43] <seb128> thanks for asking though ;-)
[14:43] <bigon> np :)
[14:56] <mterry> @pilot out
[14:56] <meetingology> mterry: Error: "pilot" is not a valid command.
[14:56] <mterry> whoops
[14:57] <seb128> mterry, feel free to pilot for desktop as well! ;-)
[14:58] <mterry> :)
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[15:22] <Laney> grr double locking
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[15:28] <seb128> Laney, after guest session?
[15:29] <Laney> nah, just after timeout
[15:30] <seb128> :-(
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, btw if you open a guest session and close it, does it bring you back to the greeter?
[15:30] <seb128> that stopped working for me it seems
[15:30] <Laney> close it how?
[15:30] <Laney> by log out?
[15:30] <seb128> yes
[15:30] <seb128> I get a vt with a blanking cursor
[15:30] <seb128> rather than a greeter
[15:30] <seb128> lightdm regression?
[15:31] <Laney> check in a min
[15:31] <Laney> dmb atm
[15:31]  * seb128 doesn't want to reboot now but is going to try downgrading lightdm later
[15:32] <mlankhorst> seb128: hm I think there was a bug open about it, so I'm interested in what you find
[15:32] <Laney> mlankhorst: it works for you?
[15:33] <seb128> mlankhorst, is that an xorg issue? ;-)
[15:34] <mlankhorst> Laney: works for me
[15:35] <Laney> my mouse is super fast in the guest session
[15:35] <Laney> zoom zoom
[15:35] <Laney> seb128: same as you
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, ok, thanks for confirming
[15:36] <ogra_> seb128 is super fast in your guest session too ?
[15:36] <Laney> I have some denials :-o
[15:36]  * seb128 slaps ogra_
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, oh, concerning lightdm?
[15:36] <ogra_> zoom zoom
[15:36] <ogra_> :P
[15:39] <Laney> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~tyhicks/lightdm/guest-session-policy-updates/+merge/214197 should fix that
[15:40] <Laney> do you have that applied?
[15:40] <seb128> no
[15:40] <seb128> I just saw pass by in my emails
[15:40] <seb128> I doubt that fixes the vt issue
[15:40] <seb128> those are issues in the guest session, not from the greeter
[15:41] <Laney> I thought the killall thing might be stopping it from ending properly or something
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, who knows, let me try
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, hum, it looks like I've those already
[15:46] <ogra_> didrocks, erm ... so i did what you suggested and clicked the link again, but now i see the data for some indicator from seb128
[15:47] <ogra_> that doesnt really reflect what the landing-17 spreadsheet shows to me
[15:47] <didrocks> ogra_: hum?
[15:47] <ricotz> Sweetshark, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/packages/libcdr/
[15:47] <ogra_> oops, echan ...
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, yeah, those changes are in trusty
[15:48] <Laney> yeah, i had them too
[15:48] <Laney> so why the denials?
[15:48] <seb128> not sure :/
[15:49] <seb128> blame mdeslaur or chrisccoulson ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> it also doesn't happen with non guest sessions it seems, so yeah, might be something with the session closing
[15:52] <Laney> seb128: disabling the profile fixes it for me
[15:52] <Laney> try that?
[15:52] <Laney> sudo aa-disable /etc/apparmor.d/lightdm-guest-session
[15:54] <seb128> bah, double locking
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, indeed, works
[15:54] <Laney> SECURITYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[15:54] <jdstrand> we tested the guest session as part of our TestPlan for the landing
[15:54] <jdstrand> what is the problem?
[15:54] <jdstrand> actually, hold on
[15:54] <Laney> See http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:54] <jdstrand> let me get tyhicks
[15:54] <Laney> But I do have the lightdm which fixes that
[15:54] <Laney> ok
[15:55] <jdstrand> tyhicks: Laney and seb128 are seeing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:55] <seb128> tyhicks, hey
[15:56] <jdstrand> seb128, Laney: and the guest session is unusable?
[15:56] <Laney> It breaks at logout
[15:56] <seb128> it's usable
[15:56] <Laney> you don't get back to lightdm
[15:56] <seb128> but it doesn't close properly/you don't get a greeter back when you close it
[15:56] <seb128> you end up on a vt with a blinking cursor
[15:56] <seb128> works fine if the profile is aa-disabled
[15:57] <jdstrand> tyhicks: can you prepare an upload for that ^
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes, this is something that I should have mentioned to you
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I fixed the signal and ptrace denials that I saw when logging in
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: and then I fixed one more set of denials that I saw
[15:58] <jdstrand> seems we just need in the guest session profile 'signal (receive) peer=unconfined,' no?
[15:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand: and then more denials kept occuring (didn't see them before due to rate limiting)
[15:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand: so the guest session profile does need more attention than what I could give to it for the apparmor ffe upload
[15:58] <jdstrand> tyhicks: is that something you could do now?
[15:58] <seb128> jdstrand, tyhicks: thanks
[15:59] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes - I'll work on it now
[15:59] <tyhicks> seb128: np
[15:59] <jdstrand> thanks
[15:59] <Laney> thank you
[16:02] <tyhicks> jdstrand: hrm... I'm surprised to see signal denials, as I thought that I had them all fixed, but I guess rate limiting must have hid the denials caused by signals being received from an unconfined process
[16:02] <tyhicks> I should be able to knock all of these out now (open, mount, signal, etc.)
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[16:06] <jdstrand> tyhicks: cool thanks
[16:22] <jdstrand> tyhicks: this may be a silly question, but you know how to turn off rate limiting, correct?
[16:23] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I do, but didn't think about doing that at the time :/
[16:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: yeah, it is easy to forget
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[18:10] <mhr3> desrt, is there something like g_settings_list_schemas available from the qt binding?
[18:10] <mhr3> or equivalent of the new lookup method
[18:10] <mhr3> would be nice
[18:18] <desrt> mhr3: larsu's area
[18:18] <desrt> in fact, he was just mentioning the other day how much he enjoys hearing about the qt gsettings binding :)
[18:18] <mhr3> desrt, k, thx, will bother him :)
[18:19] <mhr3> guess he had some fun during 5.2 transition?
[18:19] <desrt> apparently he has fun during _all_ transitions
[18:19] <desrt> the qml property map stuff is apparently quite brittle
[18:20] <desrt> and it breaks every minor release... and sometimes the micro ones too
[19:37] <ogra_> bah
[19:37] <ogra_> seems i just lost g-s-d
[19:55] <robert_ancell> mterry, did you have another u-g change you wanted?
[19:55] <mterry> robert_ancell, naw
[19:56] <robert_ancell> mkay
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[20:32] <alex-abreu> cyphermox, ping
[20:33] <cyphermox> alex-abreu: pong
[20:35] <alex-abreu> cyphermox, hey, quick question on bamf, 14.04 bamf is bamf v 5.0 right?
[20:35] <cyphermox> maybe?
[20:35] <cyphermox> let me check
[20:35] <cyphermox>  bamf | 0.5.1+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1 | saucy           | source
[20:35] <cyphermox>  bamf | 0.5.1+14.04.20140310-0ubuntu1 | trusty          | source
[20:35] <cyphermox> looks to be the case, yes
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