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daftykinsi guess Altair had to follow the creed on that one00:15
chtlolifsFinally - it's happened . We *don't need* Ubuntu to get stuff - we just need a ' thingy ' . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYs9zqYpdM00:59
chtlolifsleaves00:59
daftykinsall that stuff on doorsteps, gonna get stolen01:02
shaunoI miss living somewhere that was never a concern01:05
daftykinshehe01:05
daftykinsshauno: seems i've just had some youngster types just move in next door ;/01:06
daftykinslast night was music until 4am01:06
shaunowell, my first attempts at i2c haven't gone well at all.  I can't seem to get far enough to prove whether this thing even works01:09
daftykins:(01:09
daftykinsnot responding to stimuli?01:09
shaunonada.  I couldn't figure out why it was behaving the way it does.  then I discovered it does the same if you don't connect data lines to it at all01:11
MooDoomorning all05:51
jussio/ MooDoo05:51
MooDoohow goes it jussi05:53
jussiMooDoo: monday at work.... ;)05:53
MooDoosnap!05:53
jussiMooDoo: go and do my job for me, will you? :P05:54
jussiI want to go back to bed05:54
MooDoojussi: I'll do yours if you do mine, ps it's 7am here ;)05:57
jussiMooDoo: deal. what are the tasks? :P06:00
MooDoolol06:00
jussiMooDoo: out of curiousity, what do you actually do? (PM if you dont want to spill the beans here)06:15
MooDooIt's fine, I'm a Team Lead for a ISP here in nottingham06:16
MooDoohttp://www.heartinternet.co.uk/06:16
MooDooif you're interested - http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/careers ;)06:17
dwatkinsmorning all07:21
dwatkinsthat reminds me, I should buy a domain instead of using a free one for my blog (as I can't access it from work)07:23
diploMorning all07:25
dwatkinsMooDoo: the prices for domains on your site aren't shown as %4.2f by the way, e.g. £29.907:25
diplohad a question for you the other day MooDoo, one of customers deals with you it seems.. can't remember now though :)07:26
MooDoodiplo: if you remember ask away and If I can help I will07:28
dwatkinsI'm about to switch ISPs at home, but I assume you don't do FTTC broadband, MooDoo.07:29
MooDoono just hosting/domains etc07:29
dwatkinsI was hesitant about switching to PlusNet (as they're owned by BT), but they appear to be pretty good, and they're cheaper than my current provider, IDNet.07:30
diploCheers MooDoo, sorry disconnected there dfor a mo07:41
MooDoono worries07:43
diploMooDoo: Seperate question, but does your company offer like a reseller email hosting ?07:47
bashrcmorning08:06
diddledanallo08:06
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:32
diddledanmorning08:32
feisar_morning08:32
MooDoomorning bigcalm diddledan feisar_08:33
bigcalmo/08:33
feisar_so when are these Ubuntu phones out and is anyone here getting one?08:34
MooDoohow longs a piece of string ;)08:35
feisar_oh I thought they had a release data now08:35
jussino idea and no. I have a linux phone already :D08:37
jussiactually 2 of them08:37
feisar_Android?08:37
jussinope08:38
feisar_I am intrigued by the idea because I'd like not to have to use all the Google stuff08:38
jussifeisar_: if you want one today, go buy a Jolla08:39
feisar_oh cool, I haven't seen them before08:39
feisar_so you can put the ubuntu OS on their hardware?08:40
jussino idea - but sailfish is a very modern, linux based OS08:40
jussiif you want ubuntu, just grab yourself a nexus line phone and install it08:41
jussi(I did that a few weeks back)08:41
feisar_I have a nexus 408:41
jussifeisar_: so install ubuntu phone on it08:41
jussiits quite usable08:41
diddledanfeisar_: perfect, that's the reference model08:41
feisar_would I regret it? My other idea was to use Cyanogen mod without the G stuff08:41
jussi!phone08:41
lubotu3Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch08:41
feisar_thanks08:42
jussifeisar_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install08:42
diddledanI'm annoyed that Galaxy Nexi aren't getting updated anymore :-(08:42
jussididdledan: "aawwww!" :P08:42
* jussi has sailfish on his N408:43
feisar_jussi: what's it like?08:44
diddledanI'm stuck on image 18808:44
jussifeisar_: its excellent. still waiting on a few basic fixes, since it is alpha and restricted to early adopters group08:45
feisar_did I see that it can use Andoird apps (I'd need ownCloud)08:45
diddledanannoyingly I've got a financial investment in google play movies/tv so it's kinda difficult for me to consider running alternative systems08:47
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy No Housework Day! :-D08:47
diddledanJamesTait: you gonna do it for me08:47
diddledan?08:47
JamesTaitdiddledan, if you do mine. ;)08:47
diddledanlol08:48
JamesTaitI got off to a bad start when I was still ironing at midnight. :-P08:48
jussipeople still iron...?08:50
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:51
MooDoohello brobostigon08:52
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:53
MooDooHow are you brobostigon09:05
brobostigonnot bad, headache. and you?09:06
diddledanjussi: from what I gather the americans don't understand irony09:26
diddledanironing*09:26
diddledanI once tried to convince an american that the word subtle existed and had meaning09:27
jussididdledan: :D09:28
knightwisehey everyone09:51
* diddledan throws a gauntlet at knightwise's feet09:52
diddledanyou think _you're_ a knight?!09:52
diddledan:-p09:52
diddledanok, I didn't sleep much last night - emergency maintenance required on a server - so I'm a bit hyperactive today09:53
directhexnot a wise one though09:53
* knightwise moves diddledan to /dev/zero09:58
knightwise* kids .. gauntlets ... Bah Humbug ! *09:58
diddledanI like humbugs10:10
Dave2I hope everyone who wanted to go on the beer train has bought their ticket10:13
MooDooyes sit10:13
MooDooyes sir10:13
Dave2(As they've sold out)10:13
bigcalm:O10:15
davmor2Morning all10:15
bigcalm!rat10:15
lubotu3rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/10:15
bigcalmI currently have 1 spare (assuming that my wife really isn't joining us)10:16
mapps:D10:17
mappsspurs spurs spurs :D10:17
* mapps off to spurs tonight10:17
mappsmissed a parcel at 10;35 grr10:19
mappsset my alarm for 1110:19
bigcalmo.O10:20
mappsjust surprisedi didnt wake up10:20
mappsthen again i had to take a nytol to sleep10:20
diddledanwtf? it's 11:20 already?!10:21
diddledanwhere did the morning go?!10:21
mappsyea10:22
foobarry3rd day in a row of heavy parenting...exhausted10:24
foobarryhad to do the sainsburys shop with 2 little ones ..ugh10:24
popeynot done that for years10:24
foobarrysomehow spent over 100 quid10:24
popey\o/ online shopping ftw10:24
foobarrybut £30 of it was nappies and £10 was the hobbit10:24
mappssainsburys is ok10:25
diddledanheavy parenting? is that like a more X-rated version of heavy-petting?10:25
mappsway better than tesco -- way less busy here10:25
mappsD10:25
mapps:D10:25
foobarryit means not just looking after kids at home but taking them places :(10:25
diddledanaah10:25
diddledanlol @ the hobbit - every-day essentials only10:25
directhexif only i could get away with the hobbit10:26
directhexthe boy demands to watch sarah & duck. over and over and over10:26
directhexthe same 7 minutes10:26
mappscor what a ripoff10:26
mappsy friends paid 240 quid for bayern munich tickets10:26
mappser a ticket even..2+ wouldnt be as bad :)10:27
popeylolball10:27
mappslol10:27
popeyI've only ever been to two football matches.10:27
popeyboth after the age of 3010:28
mappsi applied for tickets from the directy but said i missed out in both ballots10:28
directhexfootlol10:28
popeythats better10:28
directhexyeah10:28
mappsmy ticket for spurs was 54 quid!!10:28
foobarryugh i hate disney dvds10:28
mappsthat seemed a ripoff10:28
mappsfoobarry why?10:28
foobarryso much crap to wade through10:28
foobarryand disney brainwashing10:28
popeymeh, stop, menu, main feature, play10:28
foobarrynope, not this one10:28
directhexfoobarry, no, now they have a special "fast play" option, that avoids all those messy menus! note: fast play will forcibly play all trailers10:28
foobarryyes directhex !10:28
Dave2Rip to server, stream over protocol of choice10:28
directhexlike old vhs!10:29
MartijnVdSuse netflix10:29
MartijnVdSno trailers10:29
foobarryi just fell for the fastplay10:29
* popey ♥ Netflix10:29
popeyespecially for chromecast10:29
popeynexus 7 as remote10:29
foobarryDave2: rip to server takes ages10:29
Dave2Since upgrading from a 2008 Core 2 Duo to a 2013 i7 I have yet to actually use the power to encode a DVD (or blu-ray). I feel like buying something just to have the excuse.10:29
Dave2foobarry: good things come to those who wait.10:30
foobarryexcept disney10:30
foobarrythe film is for my son10:30
foobarryas a reward for filling up his reward jar10:30
Dave2Thinking about it, I don't actually have a way to play an optical disc on my TV.10:30
foobarrymy new laptopdoesn't have a opticaldrive10:31
foobarryhttp://ubuntuone.com/7B2B2EJIOOCn3X5tdl5kca10:32
foobarrywario joins the 8 bit irl club10:32
popeyhehe, nice10:32
foobarryapparently wario was showing me where all the food was in sainsburys10:33
bashrcsainsburys has food?10:35
bigcalmpython peeps - how do I get around this error? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216467/10:40
bigcalmOops, not python. It's ruby :)10:46
diddledanbigcalm: use apt10:47
bigcalmSure, what package though?10:47
diddledanbigcalm: ruby-libxml10:47
diddledanor if you insist on building it yourself you'll want libxml2-dev and build-essential10:48
bigcalmWah, it was in my original apt-get line but didn't actually get installed10:49
bigcalmI'm quite confused10:49
bigcalm!info libxml-ruby10:51
lubotu3libxml-ruby (source: ruby-libxml): Transitional package for ruby-libxml. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1 (saucy), package size 1 kB, installed size 28 kB10:51
bigcalm!info ruby-libxml10:51
lubotu3ruby-libxml (source: ruby-libxml): Ruby Bindings for LibXML2. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1 (saucy), package size 131 kB, installed size 450 kB10:51
bigcalmThat's why it didn't work10:51
bigcalmdiddledan: ta :)10:52
diddledanjust pasting two package infos doesn't tell us anything about "why it didn't work" :-)10:52
bigcalmIt didn't work because I had one installed rather than the other10:53
bigcalmTwo very similar names confused me10:53
diddledanaha, so "it was in [your] original apt-get" was actually erroneous :-p10:53
bigcalmYes10:54
* diddledan needs a pedant warning on his forehead btw10:54
bigcalmOh god10:55
bigcalmInstalling libxml-ruby also installs ruby-libxml10:55
diddledanbingo10:55
* bigcalm grrs at package maintainers10:55
diddledanthat's why it's labelled a "transitional package"10:55
bigcalmBy whom? I don't look at those things10:56
bigcalmI'm just trying to get vagrant working :)10:56
diddledanby the package maintainers10:56
diddledanapt-cache info the package or !info in here as you just did - read the text and it tells you it's transitional10:57
diddledantransitional packages should always tell you in their description what package they're superseded by, and apt-cache info will confirm by listing that superseding package as a depends10:58
bigcalmAh, yes. If I were to ready that it might have made sense10:58
bigcalm(to me)10:58
bigcalmThe point I was trying to make is that there are 2 packages with very similar names that can trip up a non ruby user10:58
diddledan<-- non-ruby user10:59
diddledan:-p10:59
jussiruby...10:59
jussiI tried that once...10:59
diddledandidn't like it, jussi ?11:00
jussididdledan: I got so confused I gave up.11:01
bigcalmERROR:  Error installing veewee:11:01
bigcalmnokogiri requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2.11:01
bigcalm*ARGH*11:01
bigcalmWish 14.04 would hurry up and release so that I can move my dev server to it and have ruby 1.9 on there without having to faff about with building it myself or using a ppa11:02
diddledanbigcalm: it's in final beta, might be ok11:02
bigcalmdiddledan: might be, but it's critical to my work11:03
diddledaneep11:03
bigcalmThat's why I'm using 12.04 on my dev server - it's an LTS11:04
diddledanbingo11:04
bigcalmI'll move to 14.04 on my dev server in August maybe11:04
diddledanthe recommendation from canonical is to wait for 14.04.1 before upgrading a 12.04 IIRC11:05
diddledanmostly so that they can iron the kinks out of the upgrade11:05
bigcalmWhich should be around August maybe?11:05
bigcalmIndeed11:05
DJonesThe .1 release for 12.04 was late august11:05
DJonesand the same for 10.04.111:05
diddledan14.04 GM tends to be good for new installs, and the .1 for upgrades11:05
bigcalmSee, my memory isn't that shoddy :D11:06
bigcalmYep, I have 14.04 on my laptop as it was a fresh install. Seems to be working well11:06
diddledanI mean the .04 vs .04.1 (ignoring the year delimiter)11:06
DJonesbigcalm: Have to agree with that, my 14.04 has been rock solid so far11:07
* knightwise seriously considering putting 14.04 on his laptop11:08
knightwiseand doing a wipe and install11:08
shaunoooh, adafruit bring new toys surprisingly quick.  I'm too used to waiting 3 years for china11:08
MooDooknightwise: might as well wait to release now it's only a few weeks :D11:08
knightwisetrue.11:10
knightwiseon my main systems i'm still runnign 12.0411:10
knightwiseI hope they bring out a new version of Elementary OS pretty soon11:10
knightwisea very very good spin on Ubuntu11:10
shaunoknightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzSPGkOyzW811:12
knightwiseI know :) I saw it ! :)11:13
knightwise i have elementary OS running on my wifes imac11:14
shaunoit does look interesting  (and this is from someone who believes the "year of the linux desktop" has been & gone)11:15
knightwiseI hate that statement11:17
knightwiseIve been using Linux as my daily driver for over a year now11:17
knightwisethere is never going to be " a big breakthrough " untill we stop focusing on "the big breakthrough"11:18
bashrclikewise I think that the "year of the linux desktop" was 2006/711:20
bashrcit's a different era now11:20
diddledanlinux is ubiquitous in embedded and mobile11:21
diddledancertainly in consumer11:22
shaunoheh, I wasn't trying to start a gripe.  just "interesting enough to pique a grouch"11:23
bigcalmAny idea how to find out what version of a ruby gem is installed?11:43
MooDoohttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1621405/how-to-tell-which-version-of-a-gem-a-rails-app-is-using11:44
bigcalmHeh, ta11:46
bigcalmgem list11:48
foobarrybigcalm: lok at rvm12:01
foobarryrvm solves the ruby versioning issues12:01
bigcalm?12:01
bigcalmOh12:01
bigcalmUg12:01
bigcalmVersion issues will be resolved once 14.04 LTS is released :)12:01
foobarryrvm is the best way forward tho12:03
bigcalmQuite possibly :)12:04
shaunocurious, are you waiting for 14.04 to solve everything, or waiting for 14.04.1?12:24
knightwiseI think i'll wait for 14.4.112:34
foobarrydoes 14.04  need more resources to run than 12.04?12:45
shaunohappy toys :)  http://cl.ly/image/362r1C3v0e0H  (ignore the scratches, it still has the plastic film on it)12:54
diddledanshauno: nice12:55
diddledanshauno: issit fondleable?12:55
diddledanaah, on the left - yes it is12:55
diddledan"w/Touch Screen"12:55
shaunoahh.  google translate wasn't sure what you meant.  haven't dabbled with the touchscreen yet, but yeah, it has a resistive doodad12:56
bigcalmNice, our road has turned into a river13:16
DJonesSend the water to sheffield, they may be able to do their half marathon13:29
diddledanhaha: http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/how-a-five-year-old-hacked-his-dads-xbox-one-only-to-be-rewarded-by-microsoft-video-8316.html13:36
MooDooi read that the other day, unbelievable13:38
selinuxiumHi all   o/14:08
brobostigonhi selinuxium14:09
selinuxiumhow is brobo cop?14:09
selinuxiumHi nickp66614:10
nickp666Hi selinuxium14:10
brobostigonnot bad , and you selinuxium ?14:10
selinuxiumStress levels are near Postal... XP refresh deployment... Invitation to Tender for an our hosted Services and the usual day to day...14:12
selinuxiumBut still quite smily... :)14:12
MartijnVdSXP deployment? still?14:12
selinuxiumI.... Know...14:13
selinuxium:)14:13
brobostigonoh dear.14:14
selinuxiumM$ saying conflicting things in the media on whether they were going to backtrack again...14:14
MartijnVdSthey'll probably only backtrack for a lot of money14:14
MartijnVdSotherwise governments around the world will become angry because they overpaid14:14
brobostigondelaying the inevitable.14:15
selinuxiumWhen they finally dropped the hammer the business reacted slowly..14:15
MartijnVdSthey should have migrated the minute MS announced end-of-life, years ago14:15
MartijnVdSor at least started planning it14:15
brobostigonyou would have thought.14:16
selinuxiumIt is very difficult to describe this place..14:16
selinuxiumThe franchise agreement is such that the franchisees look after their local IT... So it is difficult for us to make them upgrade until we have reason to ban them from our net.14:17
MartijnVdSselinuxium: "Hell, circle n" (1 <= n <= 9)14:17
selinuxium:)14:18
selinuxiumWelcome to my world!14:18
selinuxium(warm isn't it)14:18
shaunowe only migrated off XP last month :(14:22
MartijnVdSshauno: our customers still use IE8, some on XP14:24
MartijnVdSwe write a web-based app... :(14:24
MartijnVdSyay government!14:24
shaunoheh, we have IE8.  and 32bit win7.14:33
shauno(the latter really annoys me, because my machine has 8GB in it)14:33
MartijnVdSI love my XPS-12 with Ubuntu ;)14:34
selinuxiumMartijnVdS, I have the XPS12 flippy screen Laptop... I ran Trust on a USB on it... Lovely...14:43
selinuxiumWish I could go back to using Ubuntu full time.. in fact.. I might just do that.14:44
selinuxiumAny more news on the release party?14:44
selinuxiumLooking at popey ^^^    :)14:45
MartijnVdSselinuxium: it is14:45
popeyselinuxium: will send out an update mail a bit later15:16
selinuxiumThanks popey   :)15:16
dwatkinsHow is it that I get so knackered when I spend all day sitting down?15:21
bigcalmLots of thinking?15:26
dwatkinsindeed, yes15:29
Laneywow15:32
Laneyjust started chucking it down15:32
jpdsLaney: Bit early, isn't it?15:50
diddledan*yawn*15:56
diddledanmust be nearly time to sleep15:56
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shaunowell proud of myself.  turned a mffr's terrible table of values into one line of dead-simple math17:26
bigcalm+s17:57
shauno:(18:02
shaunoI'm curious how my scales think they're weighing ml, since they don't seem to believe 1g=1ml18:08
shauno(or more accurately, I'm curious how badly the difference will affect my cake)18:14
diddledanapparently peaches geldof is dead19:50
diddledano_O19:50
diddledanwhat is it with young celebs?!19:51
daftykinsi know, right19:56
daftykins25 :|19:56
daftykinsdidn't have a clue about her, but still19:56
bashrcI didn't know anything about the geldof offspring20:09
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)21:50
daftykinshey bigcalm22:18
daftykinsmorning O_O22:18
daftykinsoh wait yeah we've been over that22:18
daftykins;D22:18
bigcalmUGT22:18
popeypip pip22:18

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