[00:15] <daftykins> i guess Altair had to follow the creed on that one
[00:59] <chtlolifs> Finally - it's happened . We *don't need* Ubuntu to get stuff - we just need a ' thingy ' . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYs9zqYpdM
[00:59] <chtlolifs> leaves
[01:02] <daftykins> all that stuff on doorsteps, gonna get stolen
[01:05] <shauno> I miss living somewhere that was never a concern
[01:05] <daftykins> hehe
[01:06] <daftykins> shauno: seems i've just had some youngster types just move in next door ;/
[01:06] <daftykins> last night was music until 4am
[01:09] <shauno> well, my first attempts at i2c haven't gone well at all.  I can't seem to get far enough to prove whether this thing even works
[01:09] <daftykins> :(
[01:09] <daftykins> not responding to stimuli?
[01:11] <shauno> nada.  I couldn't figure out why it was behaving the way it does.  then I discovered it does the same if you don't connect data lines to it at all
[05:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:51] <jussi> o/ MooDoo
[05:53] <MooDoo> how goes it jussi
[05:53] <jussi> MooDoo: monday at work.... ;)
[05:53] <MooDoo> snap!
[05:54] <jussi> MooDoo: go and do my job for me, will you? :P
[05:54] <jussi> I want to go back to bed
[05:57] <MooDoo> jussi: I'll do yours if you do mine, ps it's 7am here ;)
[06:00] <jussi> MooDoo: deal. what are the tasks? :P
[06:00] <MooDoo> lol
[06:15] <jussi> MooDoo: out of curiousity, what do you actually do? (PM if you dont want to spill the beans here)
[06:16] <MooDoo> It's fine, I'm a Team Lead for a ISP here in nottingham
[06:16] <MooDoo> http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/
[06:17] <MooDoo> if you're interested - http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/careers ;)
[07:21] <dwatkins> morning all
[07:23] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I should buy a domain instead of using a free one for my blog (as I can't access it from work)
[07:25] <diplo> Morning all
[07:25] <dwatkins> MooDoo: the prices for domains on your site aren't shown as %4.2f by the way, e.g. £29.9
[07:26] <diplo> had a question for you the other day MooDoo, one of customers deals with you it seems.. can't remember now though :)
[07:28] <MooDoo> diplo: if you remember ask away and If I can help I will
[07:29] <dwatkins> I'm about to switch ISPs at home, but I assume you don't do FTTC broadband, MooDoo.
[07:29] <MooDoo> no just hosting/domains etc
[07:30] <dwatkins> I was hesitant about switching to PlusNet (as they're owned by BT), but they appear to be pretty good, and they're cheaper than my current provider, IDNet.
[07:41] <diplo> Cheers MooDoo, sorry disconnected there dfor a mo
[07:43] <MooDoo> no worries
[07:47] <diplo> MooDoo: Seperate question, but does your company offer like a reseller email hosting ?
[08:06] <bashrc> morning
[08:06] <diddledan> allo
[08:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:32] <diddledan> morning
[08:32] <feisar_> morning
[08:33] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm diddledan feisar_
[08:33] <bigcalm> o/
[08:34] <feisar_> so when are these Ubuntu phones out and is anyone here getting one?
[08:35] <MooDoo> how longs a piece of string ;)
[08:35] <feisar_> oh I thought they had a release data now
[08:37] <jussi> no idea and no. I have a linux phone already :D
[08:37] <jussi> actually 2 of them
[08:37] <feisar_> Android?
[08:38] <jussi> nope
[08:38] <feisar_> I am intrigued by the idea because I'd like not to have to use all the Google stuff
[08:39] <jussi> feisar_: if you want one today, go buy a Jolla
[08:39] <feisar_> oh cool, I haven't seen them before
[08:40] <feisar_> so you can put the ubuntu OS on their hardware?
[08:40] <jussi> no idea - but sailfish is a very modern, linux based OS
[08:41] <jussi> if you want ubuntu, just grab yourself a nexus line phone and install it
[08:41] <jussi> (I did that a few weeks back)
[08:41] <feisar_> I have a nexus 4
[08:41] <jussi> feisar_: so install ubuntu phone on it
[08:41] <jussi> its quite usable
[08:41] <diddledan> feisar_: perfect, that's the reference model
[08:41] <feisar_> would I regret it? My other idea was to use Cyanogen mod without the G stuff
[08:41] <jussi> !phone
[08:42] <feisar_> thanks
[08:42] <jussi> feisar_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[08:42] <diddledan> I'm annoyed that Galaxy Nexi aren't getting updated anymore :-(
[08:42] <jussi> diddledan: "aawwww!" :P
[08:43]  * jussi has sailfish on his N4
[08:44] <feisar_> jussi: what's it like?
[08:44] <diddledan> I'm stuck on image 188
[08:45] <jussi> feisar_: its excellent. still waiting on a few basic fixes, since it is alpha and restricted to early adopters group
[08:45] <feisar_> did I see that it can use Andoird apps (I'd need ownCloud)
[08:47] <diddledan> annoyingly I've got a financial investment in google play movies/tv so it's kinda difficult for me to consider running alternative systems
[08:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy No Housework Day! :-D
[08:47] <diddledan> JamesTait: you gonna do it for me
[08:47] <diddledan> ?
[08:47] <JamesTait> diddledan, if you do mine. ;)
[08:48] <diddledan> lol
[08:48] <JamesTait> I got off to a bad start when I was still ironing at midnight. :-P
[08:50] <jussi> people still iron...?
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:52] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:05] <MooDoo> How are you brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> not bad, headache. and you?
[09:26] <diddledan> jussi: from what I gather the americans don't understand irony
[09:26] <diddledan> ironing*
[09:27] <diddledan> I once tried to convince an american that the word subtle existed and had meaning
[09:28] <jussi> diddledan: :D
[09:51] <knightwise> hey everyone
[09:52]  * diddledan throws a gauntlet at knightwise's feet
[09:52] <diddledan> you think _you're_ a knight?!
[09:52] <diddledan> :-p
[09:53] <diddledan> ok, I didn't sleep much last night - emergency maintenance required on a server - so I'm a bit hyperactive today
[09:53] <directhex> not a wise one though
[09:58]  * knightwise moves diddledan to /dev/zero
[09:58] <knightwise> * kids .. gauntlets ... Bah Humbug ! *
[10:10] <diddledan> I like humbugs
[10:13] <Dave2> I hope everyone who wanted to go on the beer train has bought their ticket
[10:13] <MooDoo> yes sit
[10:13] <MooDoo> yes sir
[10:13] <Dave2> (As they've sold out)
[10:15] <bigcalm> :O
[10:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <bigcalm> !rat
[10:16] <bigcalm> I currently have 1 spare (assuming that my wife really isn't joining us)
[10:17] <mapps> :D
[10:17] <mapps> spurs spurs spurs :D
[10:17]  * mapps off to spurs tonight
[10:19] <mapps> missed a parcel at 10;35 grr
[10:19] <mapps> set my alarm for 11
[10:20] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:20] <mapps> just surprisedi didnt wake up
[10:20] <mapps> then again i had to take a nytol to sleep
[10:21] <diddledan> wtf? it's 11:20 already?!
[10:21] <diddledan> where did the morning go?!
[10:22] <mapps> yea
[10:24] <foobarry> 3rd day in a row of heavy parenting...exhausted
[10:24] <foobarry> had to do the sainsburys shop with 2 little ones ..ugh
[10:24] <popey> not done that for years
[10:24] <foobarry> somehow spent over 100 quid
[10:24] <popey> \o/ online shopping ftw
[10:24] <foobarry> but £30 of it was nappies and £10 was the hobbit
[10:25] <mapps> sainsburys is ok
[10:25] <diddledan> heavy parenting? is that like a more X-rated version of heavy-petting?
[10:25] <mapps> way better than tesco -- way less busy here
[10:25] <mapps> D
[10:25] <mapps> :D
[10:25] <foobarry> it means not just looking after kids at home but taking them places :(
[10:25] <diddledan> aah
[10:25] <diddledan> lol @ the hobbit - every-day essentials only
[10:26] <directhex> if only i could get away with the hobbit
[10:26] <directhex> the boy demands to watch sarah & duck. over and over and over
[10:26] <directhex> the same 7 minutes
[10:26] <mapps> cor what a ripoff
[10:26] <mapps> y friends paid 240 quid for bayern munich tickets
[10:27] <mapps> er a ticket even..2+ wouldnt be as bad :)
[10:27] <popey> lolball
[10:27] <mapps> lol
[10:27] <popey> I've only ever been to two football matches.
[10:28] <popey> both after the age of 30
[10:28] <mapps> i applied for tickets from the directy but said i missed out in both ballots
[10:28] <directhex> footlol
[10:28] <popey> thats better
[10:28] <directhex> yeah
[10:28] <mapps> my ticket for spurs was 54 quid!!
[10:28] <foobarry> ugh i hate disney dvds
[10:28] <mapps> that seemed a ripoff
[10:28] <mapps> foobarry why?
[10:28] <foobarry> so much crap to wade through
[10:28] <foobarry> and disney brainwashing
[10:28] <popey> meh, stop, menu, main feature, play
[10:28] <foobarry> nope, not this one
[10:28] <directhex> foobarry, no, now they have a special "fast play" option, that avoids all those messy menus! note: fast play will forcibly play all trailers
[10:28] <foobarry> yes directhex !
[10:28] <Dave2> Rip to server, stream over protocol of choice
[10:29] <directhex> like old vhs!
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> use netflix
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> no trailers
[10:29] <foobarry> i just fell for the fastplay
[10:29]  * popey ♥  Netflix
[10:29] <popey> especially for chromecast
[10:29] <popey> nexus 7 as remote
[10:29] <foobarry> Dave2: rip to server takes ages
[10:29] <Dave2> Since upgrading from a 2008 Core 2 Duo to a 2013 i7 I have yet to actually use the power to encode a DVD (or blu-ray). I feel like buying something just to have the excuse.
[10:30] <Dave2> foobarry: good things come to those who wait.
[10:30] <foobarry> except disney
[10:30] <foobarry> the film is for my son
[10:30] <foobarry> as a reward for filling up his reward jar
[10:30] <Dave2> Thinking about it, I don't actually have a way to play an optical disc on my TV.
[10:31] <foobarry> my new laptopdoesn't have a opticaldrive
[10:32] <foobarry> http://ubuntuone.com/7B2B2EJIOOCn3X5tdl5kca
[10:32] <foobarry> wario joins the 8 bit irl club
[10:32] <popey> hehe, nice
[10:33] <foobarry> apparently wario was showing me where all the food was in sainsburys
[10:35] <bashrc> sainsburys has food?
[10:40] <bigcalm> python peeps - how do I get around this error? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216467/
[10:46] <bigcalm> Oops, not python. It's ruby :)
[10:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: use apt
[10:47] <bigcalm> Sure, what package though?
[10:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: ruby-libxml
[10:48] <diddledan> or if you insist on building it yourself you'll want libxml2-dev and build-essential
[10:49] <bigcalm> Wah, it was in my original apt-get line but didn't actually get installed
[10:49] <bigcalm> I'm quite confused
[10:51] <bigcalm> !info libxml-ruby
[10:51] <bigcalm> !info ruby-libxml
[10:51] <bigcalm> That's why it didn't work
[10:52] <bigcalm> diddledan: ta :)
[10:52] <diddledan> just pasting two package infos doesn't tell us anything about "why it didn't work" :-)
[10:53] <bigcalm> It didn't work because I had one installed rather than the other
[10:53] <bigcalm> Two very similar names confused me
[10:53] <diddledan> aha, so "it was in [your] original apt-get" was actually erroneous :-p
[10:54] <bigcalm> Yes
[10:54]  * diddledan needs a pedant warning on his forehead btw
[10:55] <bigcalm> Oh god
[10:55] <bigcalm> Installing libxml-ruby also installs ruby-libxml
[10:55] <diddledan> bingo
[10:55]  * bigcalm grrs at package maintainers
[10:55] <diddledan> that's why it's labelled a "transitional package"
[10:56] <bigcalm> By whom? I don't look at those things
[10:56] <bigcalm> I'm just trying to get vagrant working :)
[10:56] <diddledan> by the package maintainers
[10:57] <diddledan> apt-cache info the package or !info in here as you just did - read the text and it tells you it's transitional
[10:58] <diddledan> transitional packages should always tell you in their description what package they're superseded by, and apt-cache info will confirm by listing that superseding package as a depends
[10:58] <bigcalm> Ah, yes. If I were to ready that it might have made sense
[10:58] <bigcalm> (to me)
[10:58] <bigcalm> The point I was trying to make is that there are 2 packages with very similar names that can trip up a non ruby user
[10:59] <diddledan> <-- non-ruby user
[10:59] <diddledan> :-p
[10:59] <jussi> ruby...
[10:59] <jussi> I tried that once...
[11:00] <diddledan> didn't like it, jussi ?
[11:01] <jussi> diddledan: I got so confused I gave up.
[11:01] <bigcalm> ERROR:  Error installing veewee:
[11:01] <bigcalm> 	nokogiri requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2.
[11:01] <bigcalm> *ARGH*
[11:02] <bigcalm> Wish 14.04 would hurry up and release so that I can move my dev server to it and have ruby 1.9 on there without having to faff about with building it myself or using a ppa
[11:02] <diddledan> bigcalm: it's in final beta, might be ok
[11:03] <bigcalm> diddledan: might be, but it's critical to my work
[11:03] <diddledan> eep
[11:04] <bigcalm> That's why I'm using 12.04 on my dev server - it's an LTS
[11:04] <diddledan> bingo
[11:04] <bigcalm> I'll move to 14.04 on my dev server in August maybe
[11:05] <diddledan> the recommendation from canonical is to wait for 14.04.1 before upgrading a 12.04 IIRC
[11:05] <diddledan> mostly so that they can iron the kinks out of the upgrade
[11:05] <bigcalm> Which should be around August maybe?
[11:05] <bigcalm> Indeed
[11:05] <DJones> The .1 release for 12.04 was late august
[11:05] <DJones> and the same for 10.04.1
[11:05] <diddledan> 14.04 GM tends to be good for new installs, and the .1 for upgrades
[11:06] <bigcalm> See, my memory isn't that shoddy :D
[11:06] <bigcalm> Yep, I have 14.04 on my laptop as it was a fresh install. Seems to be working well
[11:06] <diddledan> I mean the .04 vs .04.1 (ignoring the year delimiter)
[11:07] <DJones> bigcalm: Have to agree with that, my 14.04 has been rock solid so far
[11:08]  * knightwise seriously considering putting 14.04 on his laptop
[11:08] <knightwise> and doing a wipe and install
[11:08] <shauno> ooh, adafruit bring new toys surprisingly quick.  I'm too used to waiting 3 years for china
[11:08] <MooDoo> knightwise: might as well wait to release now it's only a few weeks :D
[11:10] <knightwise> true.
[11:10] <knightwise> on my main systems i'm still runnign 12.04
[11:10] <knightwise> I hope they bring out a new version of Elementary OS pretty soon
[11:10] <knightwise> a very very good spin on Ubuntu
[11:12] <shauno> knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzSPGkOyzW8
[11:13] <knightwise> I know :) I saw it ! :)
[11:14] <knightwise>  i have elementary OS running on my wifes imac
[11:15] <shauno> it does look interesting  (and this is from someone who believes the "year of the linux desktop" has been & gone)
[11:17] <knightwise> I hate that statement
[11:17] <knightwise> Ive been using Linux as my daily driver for over a year now
[11:18] <knightwise> there is never going to be " a big breakthrough " untill we stop focusing on "the big breakthrough"
[11:20] <bashrc> likewise I think that the "year of the linux desktop" was 2006/7
[11:20] <bashrc> it's a different era now
[11:21] <diddledan> linux is ubiquitous in embedded and mobile
[11:22] <diddledan> certainly in consumer
[11:23] <shauno> heh, I wasn't trying to start a gripe.  just "interesting enough to pique a grouch"
[11:43] <bigcalm> Any idea how to find out what version of a ruby gem is installed?
[11:44] <MooDoo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1621405/how-to-tell-which-version-of-a-gem-a-rails-app-is-using
[11:46] <bigcalm> Heh, ta
[11:48] <bigcalm> gem list
[12:01] <foobarry> bigcalm: lok at rvm
[12:01] <foobarry> rvm solves the ruby versioning issues
[12:01] <bigcalm> ?
[12:01] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ug
[12:01] <bigcalm> Version issues will be resolved once 14.04 LTS is released :)
[12:03] <foobarry> rvm is the best way forward tho
[12:04] <bigcalm> Quite possibly :)
[12:24] <shauno> curious, are you waiting for 14.04 to solve everything, or waiting for 14.04.1?
[12:34] <knightwise> I think i'll wait for 14.4.1
[12:45] <foobarry> does 14.04  need more resources to run than 12.04?
[12:54] <shauno> happy toys :)  http://cl.ly/image/362r1C3v0e0H  (ignore the scratches, it still has the plastic film on it)
[12:55] <diddledan> shauno: nice
[12:55] <diddledan> shauno: issit fondleable?
[12:55] <diddledan> aah, on the left - yes it is
[12:55] <diddledan> "w/Touch Screen"
[12:56] <shauno> ahh.  google translate wasn't sure what you meant.  haven't dabbled with the touchscreen yet, but yeah, it has a resistive doodad
[13:16] <bigcalm> Nice, our road has turned into a river
[13:29] <DJones> Send the water to sheffield, they may be able to do their half marathon
[13:36] <diddledan> haha: http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/how-a-five-year-old-hacked-his-dads-xbox-one-only-to-be-rewarded-by-microsoft-video-8316.html
[13:38] <MooDoo> i read that the other day, unbelievable
[14:08] <selinuxium> Hi all   o/
[14:09] <brobostigon> hi selinuxium
[14:09] <selinuxium> how is brobo cop?
[14:10] <selinuxium> Hi nickp666
[14:10] <nickp666> Hi selinuxium
[14:10] <brobostigon> not bad , and you selinuxium ?
[14:12] <selinuxium> Stress levels are near Postal... XP refresh deployment... Invitation to Tender for an our hosted Services and the usual day to day...
[14:12] <selinuxium> But still quite smily... :)
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> XP deployment? still?
[14:13] <selinuxium> I.... Know...
[14:13] <selinuxium> :)
[14:14] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[14:14] <selinuxium> M$ saying conflicting things in the media on whether they were going to backtrack again...
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> they'll probably only backtrack for a lot of money
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> otherwise governments around the world will become angry because they overpaid
[14:15] <brobostigon> delaying the inevitable.
[14:15] <selinuxium> When they finally dropped the hammer the business reacted slowly..
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> they should have migrated the minute MS announced end-of-life, years ago
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> or at least started planning it
[14:16] <brobostigon> you would have thought.
[14:16] <selinuxium> It is very difficult to describe this place..
[14:17] <selinuxium> The franchise agreement is such that the franchisees look after their local IT... So it is difficult for us to make them upgrade until we have reason to ban them from our net.
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: "Hell, circle n" (1 <= n <= 9)
[14:18] <selinuxium> :)
[14:18] <selinuxium> Welcome to my world!
[14:18] <selinuxium> (warm isn't it)
[14:22] <shauno> we only migrated off XP last month :(
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: our customers still use IE8, some on XP
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> we write a web-based app... :(
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> yay government!
[14:33] <shauno> heh, we have IE8.  and 32bit win7.
[14:33] <shauno> (the latter really annoys me, because my machine has 8GB in it)
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> I love my XPS-12 with Ubuntu ;)
[14:43] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, I have the XPS12 flippy screen Laptop... I ran Trust on a USB on it... Lovely...
[14:44] <selinuxium> Wish I could go back to using Ubuntu full time.. in fact.. I might just do that.
[14:44] <selinuxium> Any more news on the release party?
[14:45] <selinuxium> Looking at popey ^^^    :)
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: it is
[15:16] <popey> selinuxium: will send out an update mail a bit later
[15:16] <selinuxium> Thanks popey   :)
[15:21] <dwatkins> How is it that I get so knackered when I spend all day sitting down?
[15:26] <bigcalm> Lots of thinking?
[15:29] <dwatkins> indeed, yes
[15:32] <Laney> wow
[15:32] <Laney> just started chucking it down
[15:50] <jpds> Laney: Bit early, isn't it?
[15:56] <diddledan> *yawn*
[15:56] <diddledan> must be nearly time to sleep
[17:26] <shauno> well proud of myself.  turned a mffr's terrible table of values into one line of dead-simple math
[17:57] <bigcalm> +s
[18:02] <shauno> :(
[18:08] <shauno> I'm curious how my scales think they're weighing ml, since they don't seem to believe 1g=1ml
[18:14] <shauno> (or more accurately, I'm curious how badly the difference will affect my cake)
[19:50] <diddledan> apparently peaches geldof is dead
[19:50] <diddledan> o_O
[19:51] <diddledan> what is it with young celebs?!
[19:56] <daftykins> i know, right
[19:56] <daftykins> 25 :|
[19:56] <daftykins> didn't have a clue about her, but still
[20:09] <bashrc> I didn't know anything about the geldof offspring
[21:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[22:18] <daftykins> hey bigcalm
[22:18] <daftykins> morning O_O
[22:18] <daftykins> oh wait yeah we've been over that
[22:18] <daftykins> ;D
[22:18] <bigcalm> UGT
[22:18] <popey> pip pip