[00:02] <cmaloney> jsjgruber: Awesome!
[00:08] <jsjgruber> cmaloney, Monthly meeing at 9?
[00:10] <cmaloney> That's the plan. :)
[00:10] <jsjgruber> I gotta put it on the calendar.
[00:10] <cmaloney> I have it on the loco calendar but for whatever reason Google Calendar isn't picking it up
[00:11] <jsjgruber> Strange. Looking forward to the MUG meeting Tuesday.
[00:11] <cmaloney> me too
[00:23] <jsjgruber> cmaloney, I took a look at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/753/detail/ical/ and it only has one event--next month's regular meeting on 5/5.
[00:23] <jsjgruber> Just used wget on it
[00:26] <jsjgruber> I think I'm full of it. I'm going to try it again.
[00:46] <jsjgruber> I was full of it, wasn't looking at the correct calendar. When I tried to add the correct calendar to google I got a parsing error. Subsequent retries don't give me a message though. python vobject seems like it can read it however.
[00:51] <cmaloney> rick_h_: http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction
[00:51] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's something screwy with Google and that calendar.
[00:59] <cmaloney> We'll be starting the meeting in about...
[01:00] <cmaloney> now. :)
[01:00] <cmaloney> Welcome to the April Ubuntu US MI meeting
[01:00] <cmaloney> May I have a show of hands for who all is part of the meeting tonight?
[01:01] <cmaloney> Don't be shy.
[01:01]  * widox may or may not be here
[01:01] <jsjgruber> I'm here
[01:02] <cmaloney> w00!
[01:02] <cmaloney> Anyone else?
[01:04] <cmaloney> OK, well let's get started then
[01:04] <cmaloney> First order of business" Ubuntu Global Jam recap
[01:04] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/752/detail/ (Here's the agenda)
[01:05] <cmaloney> I think I can speak for everyone when I say "snuck up on me"
[01:05] <cmaloney> Or at least it feels like this release snuck up on me. :)
[01:05] <widox> yep. wait, its Apirl?!
[01:06] <cmaloney> I didn't get a chance to get to any jamming
[01:06] <cmaloney> I think the only person I saw jamming was jsjgruber
[01:06] <cmaloney> widox: Yep, it's April. :)
[01:06] <jsjgruber> Then I guess I wasn't late :-)
[01:07] <cmaloney> jsjgruber: Not really
[01:07] <cmaloney> I think you can congratulate yourself on being our participant in the Global Jam
[01:07] <cmaloney> Any participation is better than none. :)
[01:07] <jsjgruber> Outch. Gotta stop that back patting.
[01:08] <cmaloney> but yeah, I think last month's missed meeting really put a damper on things.
[01:08] <jsjgruber> No doubt
[01:08] <cmaloney> That and we haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to the outside world.
[01:08] <cmaloney> Likely the snow. ;)
[01:08] <cmaloney> I'm OK with chalking it up to snow.
[01:08] <cmaloney> Anyone opposed? :)
[01:09] <jsjgruber> No objection, it was definitely the snow.
[01:09] <cmaloney> Cool. We're blaming the snow. :)
[01:09] <jsjgruber> :-)
[01:10] <cmaloney> Anyothing else on the Global Jam?
[01:10] <cmaloney> If not I'd like to move on to the next topic:
[01:10] <cmaloney> PENGUICON RELEASE PARTY!
[01:10] <cmaloney> Penguicon is happening next month (First weekend of May)
[01:11] <cmaloney> And as luck would have it we're celebrating the release of 14.04 LTS around the same time
[01:12] <cmaloney> And since we've had good participation at Penguicon for the previous release parties I went ahead and scheduled us an event there.
[01:12] <cmaloney> So we'll be meeting at Penguicon for one of the Ubuntu Release Parties.
[01:12] <cmaloney> Note: if you want to schedule an Ubuntu MI release party please feel free to do so
[01:13] <cmaloney> LMK and I'll get it on the Loco event calendat
[01:13] <cmaloney> Calendar
[01:15] <cmaloney> Anywho, last I checked we were scheduled on Saturday from 8pm to 9pm.
[01:15] <cmaloney> http://2014.penguicon.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-Penguicon-Schedule-by-room.pdf
[01:16] <cmaloney> Sorry, 8pm-10pm.
[01:16] <cmaloney> Which is right against the Smithee awards. :(
[01:17] <cmaloney> But alas, that's the plan as of this moment
[01:17] <cmaloney> more to come of course.
[01:18] <cmaloney> UNfortunately that means we'll be meeting the day after the release party in IRC, so this is the last "big meeting" before the release party.
[01:18] <cmaloney> Again, if you want to organize a release party outside of the Penguicon party please let me know
[01:18] <cmaloney> and publicize it on the mailing list.
[01:19] <cmaloney> I know not everyone is going to Penguicon
[01:19] <cmaloney> and I know that West Michigan might have something amorpheously planned as well.
[01:19] <cmaloney> ;)
[01:20] <cmaloney> I'd like to have other folks take over some of the event planning if possible.
[01:20] <cmaloney> and I know we're a lattitudinally and logitudinally diverse set of folks.
[01:21] <cmaloney> so if Penguicon's distance might as well be the "Here be Dragons" part of your mental map and you want to have a release party please feel free to start one up.
[01:22] <cmaloney> Regardless, I hope to see and meet many of you during the release party.
[01:22] <jsjgruber> I'm not aware of anyone interested in Ubuntu in my area. There's a Toledo unix users group but they seem to be more interested in Arch et al.
[01:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think Ohio has the same issues that we have: lots of geographically diverse cities.
[01:23] <cmaloney> Grand Rapids, Lansing, Traverse City, Detroit, Port Huron
[01:23] <cmaloney> Even Flint.
[01:24] <cmaloney> There's some distance between us
[01:24] <jsjgruber> Yep, at least it seems like Columbus is a hotbed of interest in all things *nix.
[01:26] <brousch> I have nothing planned
[01:26] <cmaloney> Right
[01:26] <cmaloney> brousch: You just don't know it yet. :)
[01:26] <jsjgruber> Thanks for arranging the Penguicon event, Craig.
[01:27] <cmaloney> np. Twas easy
[01:27] <cmaloney> Penguicon does a lot of heavy lifting for the event.
[01:28] <cmaloney> Anything else related to the release party?
[01:28] <cmaloney> (Also: I ordered the 14.04 discs. Not sure if they'll be here in time for the release party)
[01:29] <cmaloney> But will send them out to folks as requested
[01:29] <cmaloney> I'll send out a note to the mailing list once I have them in my hot little hands.
[01:29] <jsjgruber> That's good.
[01:30] <jsjgruber> What's the date for Trusty?
[01:31] <cmaloney> April 26th
[01:31] <cmaloney> er, sorry.
[01:31] <cmaloney> April 17th
[01:31] <jsjgruber> Thanks
[01:31] <cmaloney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[01:34] <cmaloney> Any other questions?
[01:35] <jsjgruber> I have a suggestion
[01:36] <jsjgruber> Off the topic of release parties
[01:36] <cmaloney> Sure thing
[01:37] <jsjgruber> A little thing I try to do to help a little in bandwidth for the release--
[01:38] <jsjgruber> I wait until a few days before release and zsync the last daily for the development release (this time after this Thursday)...
[01:39] <jsjgruber> Then I zsync the release, which has never changed a thing...Then I join a bittorrent becomeing a seeder within just a couple of minutes.
[01:39] <cmaloney> cool
[01:39] <jsjgruber> I figure it helps get the torrent going
[01:39] <cmaloney> yeah, I think I'm going to try to do something like that as well
[01:40] <cmaloney> especially since this is a LTS
[01:40] <jsjgruber> I'm doing well with Trusty. How are reports? Anyone hear anything?
[01:40] <Havenstance> How can I install Ubuntu on a separate drive from my windows without breaking win 8?
[01:41] <cmaloney> I haven't played with it but from what I've heard it's really shaping up to be a solid release.
[01:41] <rick_h_> I've got it on 3 machines now
[01:41] <rick_h_> get it now, less installing to do on slower pipes later
[01:44] <jsjgruber> Havenstance, when you install from the CD you can download from the Ubuntu web site, it presents you with that option. I'd wait for the next release is released on the 17th, however.
[01:45] <jsjgruber> Havenstance, you can have a look at askubuntu.com, ask here and on #ubuntu for help when you are ready to do it.
[01:45] <Havenstance> Yeah I found it I'm doing a test run now I want to see what all I can run on it before the new release when that drops I plan to install it fresh without win if possible
[01:46] <Havenstance> I picked erase then chose the disk I wanted vs the ssd it will either work or not lol
[01:48] <Havenstance> I have a ghost IMG of win so I'm not to worried just didn't want to if I didn't have to
[01:48] <jsjgruber> Havenstance, yep, I often install to flash drives myself. Nice and cheap if a little slow. cmaloney anything else we should cover in our meeting?
[01:49] <Havenstance> Oh shit didn't know there was a meeting haven't checked my email lol sorry guys :(
[01:49] <jsjgruber> No problem.
[01:50] <Havenstance> If the meeting is regarding the new release do we know what type of ssd support if any there will be?
[01:52] <Havenstance> That's been my question since 13.10
[01:54] <cmaloney> I think we're set for the meeting.
[01:54] <cmaloney> Havenstance: I don't know particulars about the release.
[01:54] <jsjgruber> Thanks, Craig.
[01:55] <cmaloney> Thanks everyone for coming out!
[01:56] <Havenstance> Heh sry for hijacking the meeting
[01:57] <jsjgruber> Havenstance, np, you didn't know.  I'm afraid I don't know about SSD support either. I know there are some UI changes, but I'm more interested in robustness issues than hardware.
[01:59] <Havenstance> jsjgruber, yeah I was only asking because the one time I tried to put 13.10 on my SSD in place of windows I spent days trying to get this thing working and it wouldn't. Unless I ran the SSD in IDE mode which seemed to defeat the purpose of having an SSD anyway
[02:00] <Havenstance> but even still ubuntu is a great OS and I appreciate everything that everyone who works on it is doing for the community. I've always liked ubuntu's approach to Linux
[02:01] <jsjgruber> I see. I just don't know about SSD's. They sound cool, and I tried to debug a problem that people were having, in part, because their systems booted so fast. askubuntu may have some information for you. There have also been some recent Ubuntu 14.04 reviews that might mention this area.
[02:03] <jsjgruber> Havenstance, yep about Ubuntu itself. I think the community is generally very cool.
[02:03] <Havenstance> I'll do some reading, I just figured while we had some people who work for canonical in here figured maybe someone might know :).
[02:05] <jsjgruber> Cool
[02:07] <rick_h_> Havenstance: what are you looking for?
[02:07] <rick_h_> Havenstance: what kind of ssd support are you looking for? It adds trim support, but that's all I know about.
[02:07] <rick_h_> and I don't recall if that's trusty or the last release that had that
[02:08] <Havenstance> rick_h_, if it has trim support then it will probably run on SSD
[02:08] <rick_h_> Havenstance: it's run on ssd's forever
[02:08] <rick_h_> I've been ssd only for 4 years? 5 maybe?
[02:08] <Havenstance> IIRC, it had trim in 13.10 but it didn't support AHCI boot mode at least not with my particular mobo
[02:09] <Havenstance> soon as I went to IDE with no AHCI mode it worked well
[02:09] <rick_h_> I've been using ssd in desktop and laptop for at least 4 years. It's not ssd that's the issue. Must have been something else with your chipset
[02:10] <Havenstance> possibly, they just said that the SSD wasn't officially supported yet.
[02:10] <rick_h_> yea, whoever told you that was nuts
[02:11] <Havenstance> some guy in #ubuntu
[02:11] <Havenstance> no clue the name lol
[02:11] <rick_h_> ok, well nuts with taste :)
[02:11] <Havenstance> been over a year ago
[02:12] <cmaloney> They may mean some of the special SSD extensions
[02:12] <Havenstance> he said its been known to run on some SSDs but the SSD wasn't offcially supported by canonical. whether its true or not I don't officially know as I never really took the time to research it, I took it at face value and put ubuntu on my ATA and never had a problem again.
[02:13] <cmaloney> like TRIM support
[02:13] <cmaloney> but I think TRIM is on by default for 14.04
[02:13] <rick_h_> I guess. Maybe I've not run into strange ssd drive implementations and not noticed it
[02:13] <Havenstance> Only reason I even asked tonight was cuz I haven't dual booted in so long I forgot. but I ended up going with a VM on my 2nd screen so I could use Ubuntu and Windows side-by-side.
[02:13] <rick_h_> I'm pretty much intel or bust on ssds, though I have two non-intel for my msata second drives
[02:13] <rick_h_> but never had to think about it
[02:14] <Havenstance> rick_h_, its possible that I did something wrong too
[02:14] <Havenstance> this was like my first go with 13.10 I think
[02:14] <Havenstance> but I have an OCZ Vector as my SSD
[02:14] <Havenstance> so maybe its actually the prob vs SSD in general who knows :)
[02:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: or widox didn't one of you run tt-rss?
[02:25] <cmaloney> Looking into running your own?
[02:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no, someone suggested an extention to submit links to bookie
[02:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: and looking for someone that's used it that can advise or be bribed :)
[02:25] <cmaloney> Ah, OK.
[02:26] <rick_h_> https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/384 ftr
[02:26] <bookiebot> open - bookie sending plugin for tt-rss
[02:26] <cmaloney> I might be bribed into using it. :)
[02:26] <rick_h_> I've had an open bug about trying to get newsblur updated to work with it
[02:26] <cmaloney> but currently am running rss2email
[02:26] <rick_h_> I love the idea of sending stuff from rss straight to bookmarks
[02:26] <cmaloney> yeah, that's an interesting prospect.
[02:27] <cmaloney> Especially since I'm pretty vicious with deleting old RSS entries.
[02:27] <rick_h_> yea, same here. I go through, and if I want to keep it around open it, then bookmark it
[03:40] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, for a bit, I'm on newsblur
[03:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah ok
[10:56] <cmaloney> Morning
[11:25] <rick_h_> morn
[11:53] <Havenstance> new 14.04 just installed in less than 5 mins... EPIC
[11:55] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[11:56] <Havenstance> not too bad, I'll be leaving for work in just a couple minutes
[11:56] <Havenstance> but once I get there it shouldn't be too bad
[12:00] <cmaloney> cool
[12:03] <Haven|Home> early though, hate early days lol. but anyway heading out i'll see ya in about an hour cmaloney
[12:13] <cmaloney> Laterness.
[13:03] <widox> rick_h_: I used to, I'm currently using feedly
[13:03] <cmaloney> Apparently nobody wants to run their own RSS service :)
[13:04] <widox> the biggest reason I stopped using it was for the lack of being mobile friendly
[13:04] <widox> but, that was a few years ago
[15:02] <greg-g> there's now a ttrss app in F-droid, haven't used it...
[15:03] <brousch> cmaloney: There are a couple of newer forks of planet-planet
[15:04] <brousch> I guess that' more aggregator than reader though
[15:06] <brousch> Automatically submit each RSS feed item to Bookie with a tag "unread", then create a reader that polls those and removes the "unread" tag as you read
[15:06] <cmaloney> brousch: That sounds painful
[15:07] <cmaloney> I think I'm going to try to install tt-rss in a lxc container and see if I like it
[15:07] <brousch> Nah, a small call to the bookie api from a modified planet-planet, then a mobile app
[15:08] <cmaloney> or I can just use rss2email and be done with it. :)
[15:08] <brousch> weak
[15:09] <brousch> I might make the Bookie thing once private bookmarks are available
[15:09] <cmaloney> If you want to complicate a workflow please start with your own. ;)
[15:10] <brousch> Did you rent drums yet?
[15:10] <cmaloney> see above
[15:10] <cmaloney> ;)
[15:11] <cmaloney> brousch: If drums are delivered to Pycon I will gladly bang on them.
[15:13] <brousch> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEIL-PEART-Miniature-DRUMSET-Rush-for-decoration-only-/251492338140
[15:14] <cmaloney> brousch: Nice
[15:15] <cmaloney> Though I think that's not his setup from that era.
[15:16] <cmaloney> http://i.imgur.com/q9r3nga.jpg
[15:16] <cmaloney> There's a set that I would love to play sometime.
[15:17] <brousch> That's a lot of drums
[15:18] <cmaloney> Yep. :)
[15:18] <cmaloney> Actually, the more I look at that model I think it is closer to his setup than I remember.
[15:18] <cmaloney> Though the heads aren't quite right.
[15:18] <cmaloney> <- big nerd.
[15:19] <cmaloney> Reminds me of someone dissing a Star Trek Miniatures game because the ships were't the right scale.
[15:21] <brousch> I want video of you sitting in the hallway with posters playing those tiny drums and singing about pyohio
[15:22] <cmaloney> People in hell want ice water. :)
[15:23] <brousch> Incorrect. There are no people in Hell because Hell does not exist
[16:27] <jrwren> F-droid?
[16:29] <greg-g> jrwren: free-software only 'app store' (have we decided if that is a generic term or owned by Apple yet?)
[16:29] <jrwren> so... a repository
[16:38] <Haven|Work> greg-g, im impressed with the new installer 14.04 installed in about ten minutes
[17:06] <brousch> jrwren: I mentioned F-Droid to you before, when you were ranting about openness on Android
[17:07] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, just has it's own app that kinda acts like google play
[17:08] <brousch> I'm trying to get my Kivy apps in there, but they do an automated build thing that assumes normal Android apps
[17:14] <jrwren> yes, I couldn't remember if f-droid was the same as the app repo you mentioned before
[17:14] <brousch> F is for Free!
[17:14] <greg-g> should I capitalize the F in F-Droid, "big F Free"
[17:14] <greg-g> FaiF
[17:15] <jrwren> free and in freedom of speech?
[17:16] <cmaloney> Free as in Freedom
[17:16] <jrwren> whooo hooo! i gotta addthat story to my shitty tablet
[17:18] <brousch> Google Drive section is interesting http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/769023-three-alternatives-to-ubuntu-one-cloud-service/
[17:23] <jrwren> hahahahaha
[17:23] <jrwren> less of this: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/
[17:23] <jrwren> more freedom
[17:28] <brousch> Damn fool users
[17:29] <cmaloney> jrwren: How would you suggest they fix the store?
[17:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: I was not being serious?
[17:43] <cmaloney> Just checking. :)
[17:49] <jrwren> interesting... awscli is python3 only in trusty - http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/admin/awscli
[18:05] <jrwren> packaging your own stuff and relying on mirrors is fun. but I end up with - while ! apt-get install mynewpkg ; do sleep 60 ; apt-get update ; done
[18:16] <mrgoodcat> if pip is so much better, why is easy_install still a thing?
[18:16] <mrgoodcat> is there any reason at all to use easy_install over pip?
[18:16] <brousch> I use easy_install to install pip
[18:17] <brousch> I think easy_install can do eggs, but pip cannot
[18:17] <jrwren> yup, there are reasons, but you don't need to know them until you need to know them :p
[18:18] <rick_h_> jrwren: ftw
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> well that's helpful
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> thanks brousch
[18:19] <brousch> Like Internet Explorer is only useful for downloading Chrome and viewing govt websites
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> lol
[18:20] <rick_h_> it'll disappear as python 3.4 has pip ootb and wheels are gaining support
[18:21] <rick_h_> man, I finished up that hatching twitter book. I wasn't going to mess with it but kept hearing about it. Crazy crazy stuff
[18:21] <rick_h_> anyone else read through it?
[18:22] <brousch> wat?
[18:23] <rick_h_> http://www.audible.com/search/ref=a_mn_at_ano_tseft__galileo/181-2313956-2499647?advsearchKeywords=hatching+twitter&sprefix=hatching
[18:23] <rick_h_> crazy book
[18:23] <jrwren> eggs are cool, its too bad they weren't used more.
[18:23] <jrwren> I think now is a turning point in python world.
[18:23] <jrwren> we will look back on the last 5 yrs as the black death time of python
[18:23] <jrwren> when eggs weren't used for reasons
[18:23] <jrwren> when there were many python version.
[18:24] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Will add it to my goodreads list.
[18:25] <cmaloney> I'm up to ch. 6 of the Debt book.
[18:27] <cmaloney> I really wish the library catalog had a way to save URLs.
[18:27] <cmaloney> their URLs are completely non-functional out of the session.
[18:28] <rick_h_> ugh
[18:29] <cmaloney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7218199/
[18:29] <cmaloney> Contents