[00:00] <jjfrv8> cool. I'll try it and report back.
[00:06] <jjfrv8> looks like a winner :)
[00:08] <brainwash> that's great
[00:08] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: ^
[02:54] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I am now officially using Xubuntu :P
[02:54] <Logan_> it's rather pretty
[03:15] <Unit193> Logan_: Thanks, we think so.
[03:22] <Logan_> hmm, what to sponsor...
[03:24] <Logan_> why is xfce4-fsguard-plugin not in the xubuntu packageset? that's odd
[04:50] <Noskcaj_School> Logan_: fsguard isn't in the packageset because it's not seeded, only part of xfce
[04:51] <Noskcaj_School> And that particular patch is in the debian svn
[06:19] <jhenke> morning
[08:01] <ochosi> Logan_: we have lots of xubuntu stuff in the sponsors' queue, so feel free to pick ;)
[08:02] <ochosi> someone still needs to prepare the indicator-fix i guess
[08:05] <Unit193> garcon fixed?
[08:05] <Unit193> Tested rather?
[08:09] <brainwash> tested yes
[08:10] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/garcon/bugfixes
[08:14] <elfy> ochosi lderan - appears that changing the graphics driver has stopped the screen blanking setting from sticking when you reset it
[08:20] <elfy> big 1303652
[08:20] <elfy> bug 1303652
[08:41] <ochosi> elfy: humm, that description could be improved a bit
[08:41] <ochosi> frankly, just from reading that i don't understand the problem
[08:44] <elfy> bug 1303652
[08:50] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Could you make a complete list of patches you want applied to abiword? If possible check the upstream stable git too
[08:54] <brainwash> Noskcaj: so no new stable release? :(
[08:55] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[08:55] <elfy> hi brainwash Noskcaj 
[08:56] <brainwash> 3 reports got the "patch" tag
[08:56] <brainwash> hello elfy 
[08:57] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[08:57] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Last i check with upstream "Ubuntu should not be using 3.0"
[08:57] <Noskcaj> debian maintainer: "2.8 and 2.9 are too broken to use, are we just not meant to use abiword?"
[08:57] <brainwash> but it's synced from debian
[08:58] <Noskcaj> Also, can you test build gnumeric in your ppa? My internet can't do it
[08:58] <Noskcaj> And it could probably get synced
[08:59] <brainwash> test build? a simple re-build?
[09:01] <brainwash> we need to fix at least the two abiword issues which are linked to the -bugs blueprint
[09:01] <brainwash> crash on save as pdf and ruler glitch
[09:01] <elfy> knome: ping 
[09:05] <ochosi> elfy: hm, sorry, i actually meant the more wordy description of the bug, not the title :)
[09:07] <elfy> mmm not sure how you don't understand that - I set it to Never and it resets when I reboot to 1 minute
[09:07] <elfy> I set it to Never and install a driver and it resets it to 1 minute on a reboot
[09:07] <ochosi> it resets the setting in lls?
[09:07] <elfy> yea
[09:07] <ochosi> whoa, that is odd
[09:07] <elfy> I though it was too :)
[09:07] <ochosi> can you check the desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/ ?
[09:07] <elfy> later on today I will try with the new install and see what I get there 
[09:08] <ochosi> it's called "screensaver-settings.desktop"
[09:08] <ochosi> so obviously something overrides those settings
[09:08] <elfy> Exec=xset s 0 dpms 0 0 0
[09:08] <ochosi> that looks ok
[09:08] <ochosi> that means it's not a bug in lls
[09:08] <ochosi> because it does what it's expected to do
[09:09] <ochosi> not sure what could override it
[09:09] <elfy> 2 minutes then ... 
[09:09] <ochosi> especially 1min seems oddly short
[09:14] <elfy> ochosi: ok that's odd
[09:15] <elfy> it's kept the settiing this time 
[09:15] <ochosi> but you don't have an xorg.conf, right?
[09:15] <elfy> later today when I'm more awake I'll boot into my new install and do the same things - install nvidia again
[09:16] <elfy> no xorg.conf here
[09:16] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[09:16] <ochosi> i'm also using nvidia, but i've never seen this kind of behavior
[09:16] <elfy> that one hasn't had any PPAs or anything added 
[09:17] <elfy> ochosi: well I never saw this the last I installed nvidia here either
[09:29] <Noskcaj> brainwash, The version of gnumeric in debian
[09:29] <Noskcaj> It's a new upstream bugfix release AFAIK
[09:30] <Noskcaj> But i'll try and prep an abiword upload tomorrow
[09:30] <Noskcaj> Actually, no, i can't. It's too large a program
[10:06] <bluesabre> hey Logan_, if you'd be interested, I've got two branches that need merged
[10:06] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/light-locker-settings/trusty-1.2.1
[10:06] <bluesabre> ^ Light Locker Settings 1.2.1
[10:06] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-power-manager/sync_lock_xfpm_session
[10:07] <bluesabre> here's a bug for the first one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1302484
[10:08] <bluesabre> and we also have an updated shimmer-themes
[10:08] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1298741
[10:10] <bluesabre> elfy, can you give light-locker-settings 1.2.1 a spin (from https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/testing) to see if your issue still occurs?
[10:16] <elfy> bluesabre: I'll look in the other install later today
[10:16] <bluesabre> thanks elfy
[10:16] <elfy> I want to confirm it for myself again 
[10:17] <elfy> knome: we've no meeting for thursday set on calendar nor wiki
[10:17] <elfy> and we need to decide ibus before that I think 
[10:19] <knome> elfy, yes, need to decide at latest on wed
[10:24] <elfy> what about a meeting though ?
[10:26] <elfy> xubuntu-touch ftw :D
[10:27] <knome> yeah, should have a meeting on thu
[10:31] <bluesabre> :)
[10:31] <ochosi> brainwash_: please update the changelog in your merge-requests in the future
[10:31] <bluesabre> unfortunately, the window controls do not respond to touch input
[10:32] <ochosi> so touch-input != click?
[10:32] <bluesabre> so it seems
[10:32] <bluesabre> the windows are straight X, right?
[10:32]  * bluesabre hasn't looked at xfwm
[10:33] <jhenke> folks seen the xfdesktop 4.11.6 release mail right now?
[10:35] <brainwash_> ochosi: the debian one?
[10:36] <ochosi> brainwash_: no, the x-d-s ones
[10:36] <ochosi> nvm now, i've attached a changelog to the bugreport
[10:36] <ochosi> but in general that's a good thing to do
[10:36] <ochosi> especially as long as we don't have ppl with push-rights to that branch
[10:36] <ochosi> cause others might overlook stuff
[10:37] <ochosi> Noskcaj: new xfdesktop release for you ;)
[10:37] <brainwash_> ok
[10:40] <brainwash_> ochosi: you did not add the lp number to the changelog entry "Associate docx files with Abiword"
[10:41] <ochosi> brainwash_: fixed
[10:41] <brainwash_> thanks
[11:15] <brainwash_> ochosi: bug 1303736
[11:16] <ochosi> yeah, i know, i mentioned that yesterday
[11:16] <brainwash_> something really seems to be broken for some people
[11:26] <ochosi> brainwash_: main problem is that there are many factors involved with suspend
[11:26] <ochosi> could just as well be the graphics driver not handling the wakeup properly and therefore the xrandr setup is messed up
[11:26] <ochosi> could be something wrong in the suspend routine about that
[11:26] <brainwash_> mmh, but this case is different
[11:27] <brainwash_> suspend works and unlock via gtk-greeter works too
[11:27] <ochosi> right, we can ask them to try without light-locker just to rule that out
[11:27] <brainwash_> good idea
[11:27] <ochosi> i.e. without lock on suspend
[11:28] <ochosi> there was also another bugreport like that
[11:28] <ochosi> the OP said he bound basically "xrandr --auto" to a kb-shortcut
[11:28] <ochosi> and that way he could get his session visible again
[11:28] <ochosi> that was why i mentioned graphics driver before
[11:28] <ochosi> it sounds odd that the session's setup would be that messed up
[11:29] <ochosi> bbl
[11:29] <brainwash_> hopefully it's not light-locker's fault.. or hopefully it is :)
[11:29] <brainwash_> so we can properly debug it
[11:30] <ochosi> right, that was on the xubuntu-dev-ml
[11:30] <ochosi> this, plus follow-ups: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009987.html
[11:30] <ochosi> if you can add that info to the bugreport, that'd be great
[11:30] <ochosi> gotta run, lunchtime
[11:44] <elfy> knome: added meeting to wiki - not calendar though
[11:51] <zequence> I just did a shutdown of Ubuntu Studio, when still having some applications running. Next time, it autostarted those apps
[11:52] <zequence> Is this default on Xubuntu?
[11:52] <zequence> I haven't messed with any user configs. Fresh install
[11:52] <zequence> "Save session for future logins" is not ticked
[11:54] <brainwash_> how did you shutdown the system?
[11:54] <zequence> From the menu command "Shut Down"
[11:55] <zequence> I'm going to test it more later. Just wanted to see if this was a known problemn
[11:55] <brainwash_> you can clear the session cache in the settings manager > session and startup > session
[11:55] <brainwash_> then try again
[11:55] <zequence> As said, I haven't messed with any user settings. But sure, I can do that
[11:56] <brainwash_> there are many bug reports out there addressing this issue
[11:56] <zequence> Any fixes?
[11:56] <brainwash_> manually deleting the session cache
[11:57] <brainwash_> it seem like as long as the session cache exists it will be used (maybe even updated) to restore the previous running session
[11:58] <zequence> any links to bug reports? Is someone on this, trying to find a fix - perhaps upstream?
[11:59] <brainwash_> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10593
[11:59] <brainwash_> this is just one
[11:59] <zequence> brainwash_: Thanks
[12:03] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, ochosi, I had a light-locker-settings issue slightly different from elfy's
[12:03] <jjfrv8> my 'switch off display' setting kept reverting back to something over 25 minutes after I set it to never: http://imagebin.org/304236
[12:04] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, I just installed you ppa and a quick check seems to indicate if fixed that problem
[12:35] <ochosi> jjfrv8: so lls is fixed in bluesabre's ppa?
[12:39] <elfy> I'm sure I asked this before - how do I get the titlebar of whiskermenu to be at the bottom if I've moved panel to the bottom
[12:39] <elfy> in the other install it is at the bottom which suits where the panel is
[12:40] <ochosi> titlebar?
[12:41] <ochosi> i guess settings > "position search entry next to panel button" + "position commands next to search entry"
[12:43] <elfy> I'm not describing it well ... I'll get a picture paints a thousand words screenie :)
[12:43] <elfy> I'm in the new install - just installing nvidia to see if I get the same issue with blanking
[12:55] <elfy> ochosi: so I meant not the title bar - but the settings manager/lock screen/logout  buttons position
[12:55] <elfy> ochosi: importantly - I installed nvidia, had originally set blank screen to Never and Switch Off Display to never
[12:56] <elfy> now - blank screen is set to Never still but Switch off display is now set to 10 minutes - that's different behaviour 
[12:57] <ochosi> 10mins is a default value though
[12:57] <ochosi> so the whisker-settings i mentioned helped?
[12:58] <elfy> the search bar is at the bottom - that's default I think
[12:58] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/304246
[12:59] <elfy> buttons at bottom = awesome when panel is at bottom :)
[12:59] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/304247 is how this one is here 
[13:00] <knome> elfy, thanks
[13:00] <elfy> s'ok
[13:10] <knome> added meeting to calendar
[13:10] <knome> i'm sick, so off again
[13:10] <knome> bbl
[13:11] <elfy> knome: hope you feel better soon then - and thanks :)
[13:34] <jjfrv8-work> ochosi, yes, bluesabre's ppa fixed my display shutoff time problem with l-l-s
[13:40] <brainwash_> ochosi: forgot about this, but l-l-s still ignores the hidden= parameter
[13:42] <brainwash_> and now it's too late to get it fixed for trusty, or?
[13:43] <brainwash_> could be seen as security related fix
[13:44] <ochosi> depends on whether we get someone who uploads it i guess
[13:44] <ochosi> or someone who babysits others to upload it
[13:44] <ochosi> but the first thing should've been a bugreport, then a patch/merge-request
[13:45] <ochosi> i honestly forgot about this issue entirely
[13:45] <ochosi> only remember that you mentioned it once before
[13:45] <brainwash_> same
[13:46] <brainwash_> is it really a big deal? the user might disable ll's autostart entry and later enable ll via l-l-s
[13:46] <elfy> ochosi: sorted it, set position-commands-alternate=true in whiskermenu rc :)
[13:47] <brainwash_> l-l-s now tells the user that ll is enabled, but it won't get launched automatically on session start
[13:47] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that is what i told you before, but via the UI
[13:49] <elfy> well it didn't work via the UI ;)
[13:49] <ochosi> that's odd
[13:56] <brainwash_> ochosi: the next indicator-application upload fixes the startup issue when started via upstart signal
[13:56] <ochosi> that's good to hear
[13:56] <brainwash_> everything seems to work then via upstart
[13:56] <ochosi> we still need to get that patch into xfce4-indicator-plugin
[13:56] <ochosi> could you prepare a patch for Noskcaj?
[13:57] <brainwash_> ali1234 needs to edit his patch first
[13:57] <brainwash_> it emits the signal twice
[13:57] <brainwash_> meaning it starts two upstart init processes
[13:58] <brainwash_> which is bad if you logout and only one of them gets killed
[13:59] <elfy> xfdesktop-settings doesn't set seperate wallpapers for workspaces now 
[13:59] <elfy> nvm 
[13:59] <brainwash_> so one thing remains: normal autostart entries are still visible
[13:59] <elfy> I'm giving up talking today
[14:01] <RFleming> elfy, aww
[14:01] <elfy> :)
[14:07] <ochosi> brainwash_: can you drive that somehow though? it seems you know everything you need to in order to get this patch updated/uploaded
[14:08] <ochosi> it'd just be good to have a clear assignee for an important issue like this
[14:47] <brainwash_> ochosi: is it ok to ship this hacky patch? I would expect ali1234 to add some ifdefs and so on
[15:09] <ochosi> brainwash_: with driving i meant: discuss things with ali1234 (the tests suggest that it works at least), create a merge request from the final patch (whatever is final) and get it in the sponsors queue
[15:46] <jhenke> elfy thanks for the reminder, I will upgrade my (heavily used) 13.10 work pc at university tomorrow and report back the results
[16:47] <brainwash_> ochosi: I've uploaded indicator-plugin with the slightly edited patch
[16:48] <ochosi> you mean to your ppa?
[16:48] <brainwash_> yes
[16:48] <ochosi> ok, so i guess we need to test it
[16:48] <brainwash_> works for me
[16:48] <brainwash_> got any special test case in mind?
[16:49] <ochosi> well i assumed that, otherwise what's the point of uploading? :D
[16:49] <ochosi> not really, but it
[16:49] <ochosi> 's always good to confirm on >1 machine
[16:49] <brainwash_> well, I could have uoloaded it first and then test it :)
[16:49] <ochosi> could be that you've messed with your config etc
[16:49] <ochosi> who knows
[16:49] <ochosi> yeah, but that would be insane :p
[16:50] <brainwash_> i did some changes -> hiding all the normal indicator autostart entries
[16:50] <ochosi> link to the patch/diff?
[16:50] <brainwash_> still not sure how or if we can hide them for Xfce
[16:50] <Logan_> ochosi: it looks like you were able to merge everything for Bug 1303718, right?
[16:51] <Logan_> or am I misinterpreting the bug?
[16:51] <ochosi> Logan_: yeah, chatted up a few folks to get it moving
[16:51] <ochosi> thanks for getting back to me though
[16:51] <Logan_> haha, no problem
[16:51] <ochosi> we still have more than enough for you in the queue ;)
[16:51] <Logan_> sure - please mark that as Fix Released
[16:51] <ochosi> i also got the light-locker-settings and xfpm stuff out of the way
[16:52] <ochosi> i think the xubuntu-default-settings still has to be approved by the release team
[16:52] <ochosi> to quote Laney "it'll wait in the unapproved queue for the release team"
[16:52] <ochosi> that's why i didn't mark it yet
[16:53] <Logan_> ah
[16:53] <Logan_> I still don't fully understand, but oaky :P
[16:53] <brainwash_> ochosi: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/172075119/xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.2-0ubuntu1test1_2.3.2-0ubuntu1test2.diff.gz
[16:53] <ochosi> Logan_: i'm not a pro in these matters either, but i think he had a good reason not to mark it "fix released" yet
[16:55] <Logan_> fair enough
[16:57] <ochosi> Logan_: i'm considering to do another bugfix release for our icon theme, would you be fine with uploading that?
[16:57] <Logan_> yeah, as long as it doesn't need an FFe
[16:57] <ochosi> it's mostly missing sizes of icons, and partly improved icons, well nothing that affects our documentation or stuff (our docs don't have icons)
[16:57] <ochosi> yeah, only bugfix
[16:58] <ochosi> dinner-time, bbiab
[18:14] <ochosi> Logan_: actually, if you could help with a merge/upload, i'd have something here right now
[18:14] <Logan_> sure, what's up?
[18:14] <ochosi> there's a shimmer-themes sponsoring request in the queue
[18:14] <ochosi> bluesabre has already done the packaging
[18:14] <ochosi> and then we have a patch against shimmer-themes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1303937
[18:14] <ochosi> if both of those could go in, that'd be great
[18:17] <elfy> this really is just awesome sauce :)
[18:19]  * Logan_ looks
[18:21] <ochosi> elfy: what is?
[18:21] <elfy> someone who can do this for us :)
[18:21] <elfy> someone else that is 
[18:23] <Logan_> ochosi: will the patches in that bug apply cleanly against 1.7.3?
[18:30] <ochosi> Logan_: yes, they just remove a section
[18:30] <Logan_> ok
[18:48] <Logan_> ochosi: is upstream forwarding needed for that bug?
[18:48] <ochosi> Logan_: i am upstream, so i'll handle it
[18:48] <ochosi> the thing is that things will be different again in gtk3.12
[18:48] <Logan_> sweet
[18:48] <ochosi> believe me, gtk3 has been a pita for themers...
[18:48] <ochosi> we basically have branches for every gtk3 release
[18:49] <ochosi> they always manage to break a few things with each release :)
[18:52] <mzr> hey guys, who's the quality assurance lead?
[18:52] <pleia2> elfy
[18:53] <mzr> thanks
[18:53] <pleia2> anything the rest of us can help with? most of us are pretty involved with testing :)
[18:54] <Logan_> ochosi: if I give you debs, can you test?
[18:54] <Logan_> I'm not sure I'd know what to look for :P
[18:54] <Logan_> I applied the patches as well
[18:58] <ochosi> Logan_: sure
[18:58] <ochosi> just put them somewhere or email them to me
[19:01] <Logan_> ochosi: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zs8i1ifqhj2eqj7/JPonwi9N8h
[19:01] <ochosi> uuh, dropbox – kinky! :)
[19:03] <ochosi> strange
[19:03] <ochosi> dpkg-deb: error: `shimmer-themes_1.7.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[19:03] <ochosi> Logan_: ^
[19:03] <Logan_> what even
[19:03] <Logan_> wfm locally
[19:04] <ochosi> dropbox is weird
[19:04] <Logan_> I'll stick them on my server, one sec
[19:04] <elfy> mzr: what's up?
[19:04] <ochosi> i redownloaded
[19:04] <ochosi> and now it works
[19:04] <Logan_> oh
[19:04] <ochosi> makes you feel stupid
[19:04] <Logan_> haha
[19:04] <ochosi> cause you kinda start thinking "am i too dumb to dl a file?"
[19:08] <mzr> elfy: just looking to get involved, trying to figure out where I can help
[19:09] <elfy> ok - that's cool - how long are you about for - because in about 12 days I'll be winding up to start all over again 
[19:09] <Justanick> Is there an option, that Xubuntu doesn't react on a closed lid (laptop) at the moment the system is shutting down?
[19:09] <Justanick> It is not very funny, if the system changes to standby at the shutdown process. ;)
[19:10] <ochosi> Justanick: first off, this is not the support channel
[19:10] <ochosi> so ideally /join #xubuntu
[19:11] <elfy> mzr: if you mean now - then we're concentrating on upgrade testing with RC in a few days time
[19:11] <mzr> whenever and I'm available past the 17th
[19:12] <ochosi> Logan_: looks good to me
[19:12] <Logan_> ochosi: sweet, I'll upload :)
[19:12] <elfy> mzr: that's great - hang about in here when you can then, I'm looking to get some ideas for what we could do differently next cycle, but I'm not aware of how closely you followed us this cycle
[19:12] <ochosi> Logan_: i've obviously been using that version all along, but i can't see any regressions in your package :)
[19:13] <elfy> ochosi: you want me to check on this one?
[19:13] <mzr> not too closely, sorry, a bit late to that party
[19:13] <elfy> mzr: so keep an eye on the m/l and the blog too
[19:14] <elfy> ok - that's fine - neither did I till I started :)
[19:14] <ochosi> elfy: nah it's fine, i've really tested this for a while. only the tiny patch for the dialogs was done today
[19:14] <ochosi> elfy: you'll get to test it soon when Logan_ has uploaded it ;)
[19:14] <Logan_> just did
[19:14] <ochosi> weee
[19:14] <ochosi> nice, thanks a lot!
[19:14] <elfy> mzr: one thing - if you are good with python then that is very useful - we are wanting to go autopliot for packages 
[19:15] <mzr> okay, sadly my python's somewhat rusty
[19:16] <elfy> that's ok - mine is almost completely non-existent - hence needing to get others involved in it :)
[19:16] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke :)
[19:16] <Logan_> ochosi: no problem. feel free to poke me with more stuff :)
[19:16] <ochosi> Logan_: that will certainly happen :p
[19:16] <elfy> :)
[19:17] <mzr> kk, any m/l besides the xubuntu-devel i should sign up for?
[19:17] <ochosi> Logan_: just to get you in the loop a little: we're still working on a patch for xfce4-indicator-plugin to get the latest changes of ayatana indicators playing nicely with xubuntu (upstart jobs)
[19:17] <elfy> mzr: that's where I send stuff 
[19:17] <elfy> but I also talk in here - at length sometimes ... 
[19:18] <mzr> any usual times?
[19:18] <elfy> and I use the blog - and also pleia2 puts QA stuff on social media 
[19:18] <elfy> mzr - I work week on/off - so it cycles between early am and later pm to all day 
[19:19] <elfy> I'm usually in the channel - if I'm marked away - then I am 
[19:19] <mzr> kk, guess I'll check the logs if I need to
[19:20] <elfy> ok - well - at the cycle start I'll be making an overview of what I'm going to be pushing at- nice to see you around, hope to see you again 
[19:21] <ochosi> Logan_: there already is an updated version of our patch in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[19:21] <ochosi> Logan_: in case you're familiar with it or just wanna take a look
[19:21] <ochosi> but anyway, we wanna get this one finalized and uploaded asap too
[19:21] <mzr> cya, thx elfy
[19:21]  * pleia2 coughs and updates social media with upgrade testing real quick
[19:21] <elfy> ochosi: by the way - I appear to get this black screen after suspend if logs are wanted
[19:22] <elfy> pleia2: thanks :)
[19:22] <ochosi> elfy: after suspend after login?
[19:22] <elfy> I didn't send it to -testers today :(
[19:22] <elfy> ochosi: yea login - do some things - suspend - come out of suspend, login - black screen
[19:22] <ochosi> elfy: have you tried the workaround suggested on the mailinglist recently?
[19:23] <ochosi> there was a thread where this issue was described
[19:23] <ochosi> just to figure out whether you have the same issue
[19:23] <Logan_> ochosi: awesome, let me know when you need it sponsored
[19:23] <ochosi> Logan_: great, i just discussed with bluesabre on g+ about this, he'll do the review tonight so i think sponsoring can be done tomorrow ideally
[19:24] <elfy> ochosi: nope - not looked tbh, I'll look and see if it is the same thing - but I don't normally suspend, just tried it
[19:24] <Justanick> That auto hiding of the top panel is still broken. But xfce4-panel -r is still fixing the problem.-
[19:24] <ochosi> elfy: the second thing that would be nice to try is to disable lock-on-suspend (in light-locker-settings, xfpm and xfce4-session)
[19:24] <ochosi> elfy: just to see whether light-locker is causing this
[19:25] <Logan_> xfce4-terminal sets interesting names for its tabs
[19:25] <elfy> ok - I can do that now 
[19:25] <Logan_> right now it's "Terminal - Terminal - Terminal - Terminal..."
[19:29] <ochosi> yeah, theoretically you can rename them though
[19:30] <ochosi> which is nice if you have a terminal app that you bind to a shortcut
[19:30] <ochosi> the drop-down terminal mode is also really nice, in case you haven't seen that yet
[19:32] <ochosi> Logan_: oh, btw, there's also a new bugfix release of xfdesktop (4.11.6) that addresses a few of the bugs we're seeing in xubuntu
[19:32] <ochosi> in case you wanna package and upload that one
[19:32] <ochosi> although i dunno whether that'd go through debian first
[19:33] <Logan_> looks like we're already carrying a delta for xfdesktop4
[19:34] <Logan_> although they have our current version in experimental
[19:34] <ochosi> yeah, we're shipping many parts of xfce4.11
[19:35] <ochosi> which is actually a development release number
[19:35] <ochosi> but the hope is that 4.12 gets released soonish, so 14.04 can get upgraded to that, instead of us having to maintain an older version in the LTS
[19:41] <Logan_> I just rebased xfdesktop4 on Debian experimental, because why not
[19:41] <elfy> ochosi: so if I set lls to NOT lock on suspend, xpm to suspend on lid close and xfce4-session to not lock on suspend
[19:41] <Logan_> maybe Jackson can import the new upstream later
[19:42] <elfy> ochosi: result is lock screen when it comes back from suspend and a black screen after I unlock it
[19:43] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, but you also have to tell xfpm not to lock on suspend
[19:43] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-04-07-214320.php
[19:43] <brainwash_> or don't suspend by closing the lid :D
[19:43] <ochosi> Logan_: yup, sounds like a plan
[19:44] <brainwash_> ochosi: we got some potential changes for x-d-s (default keybinds)
[19:45] <brainwash_> control -> primary
[19:45] <ochosi> you mean on LTS upgrades?
[19:45] <brainwash_> and primary-alt -> alt-primary
[19:46] <brainwash_> I mean that they have changed it upstream some time ago
[19:46] <ochosi> does it make a difference?
[19:46] <brainwash_> not sure they, it might mess with the user kb shortcut file later on
[19:47] <brainwash_> woops
[19:47] <brainwash_> not sure yet
[19:48] <brainwash_> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/commit/?id=084d79c43fa7bbb5c284808927a99808d85dc925
[19:48] <brainwash_> it should work with older configs
[19:49] <brainwash_> 2012-12-30
[19:49] <brainwash_> :D
[19:50] <brainwash_> so it might not be a necessary change
[19:50] <ochosi> yeah, the control->primary shift already happened quite a while ago
[19:50] <ochosi> anyway, i gotta go
[19:50] <ochosi> brainwash_: if you can help elfy a bit with the debugging, that'd be great
[19:51] <brainwash_> ok
[19:51] <ochosi> have a nice evening everyone
[19:51] <elfy> ochosi: cya
[19:52] <brainwash_> bye
[19:54] <brainwash_> bug 1303736
[19:54] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/304308
[19:54] <elfy> that's how I am set up here - should be not using lock screen 
[19:54] <brainwash_> indeed
[19:55] <brainwash_> do you suspend by closing the lid?
[19:55] <elfy> when I close the lid - open it - unlock screen - password - black screen
[19:55] <elfy> so it 'appears' to still be using lock screen
[19:55] <brainwash_> can you please check the "Extended" tab of power manager settings?
[19:56] <elfy> I've not tried just suspend itself
[19:56] <elfy> brainwash_: yep - will do - just rebooting
[19:56] <brainwash_> oh, you could switch to tty1 and restart lightdm
[19:58] <elfy> missed the one on the extended tab
[19:58] <brainwash_> all 3 checkboxes will be synced soon :)
[19:58] <elfy> suspending with lid close
[19:58] <elfy> yep :)
[19:58] <elfy> ok that comes straight back to the desktop 
[19:59] <brainwash_> black desktop?
[19:59] <brainwash_> :P
[19:59] <elfy> nope - all fine
[19:59] <brainwash_> that's nice
[19:59] <elfy> other than the bloke up the road has just opened my laptop up to see what I'm up to :D
[20:00] <elfy> so that all works - but is security less 
[20:00] <brainwash_> install xscreensaver... joking :)
[20:00] <elfy> you want me to get it to fail and restart lighdm?
[20:00] <brainwash_> nah, I mean you can try to restart lightdm instead of rebooting
[20:01] <elfy> oic - was rebooting for something else :)
[20:01] <brainwash_> now we need the usual config files
[20:01] <elfy> upstart ones?
[20:02] <elfy> from .cache or from /var ?
[20:03] <brainwash_> both I guess, /var/log/lightdm and maybe .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[20:05] <brainwash_> ideally after the black screen was triggered
[20:07] <RFleming> are there suspend problems?
[20:07] <elfy> brainwash_: ok - I'll fail it and get the logs 
[20:08] <brainwash_> elfy: but manually locking and unlocking via light-locker still works fine, right?
[20:09] <brainwash_> without suspending
[20:09] <elfy> no idea - I rarely do it - not checked that at all
[20:10] <brainwash_> please do :)
[20:10] <elfy> brainwash_: one thing at a time :) at the moment I have a black screen ... 
[20:10] <brainwash_> ah ok, no need to hurry
[20:15] <elfy> just get the logs onto this machine - I hate using laptops ... 
[20:17] <brainwash_> oh snap, we need to merge another x-d-s branch and I also needs to create an additional one for the keybind refresh
[20:19] <elfy> manually unlocking and locking screen works fine
[20:21] <elfy> (light-locker:1802): Gdk-WARNING **: light-locker: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[20:21] <elfy> maybe ... 
[20:21] <elfy> brainwash_: so where do you want these logs?
[20:22] <brainwash_> bug 1303736
[20:22] <brainwash_> or upload them somewhere else
[20:22] <brainwash_> if you don't want to spam the report
[20:23] <elfy> half spammed already ... 
[20:23] <Unit193> Hmm, looks like I had that.
[20:23] <brainwash_> :)
[20:24] <elfy> all added - it's a shame you can't add more than one thing at a time there ... 
[20:27] <brainwash_> did you try to kill light-locker from tty1?
[20:27] <elfy> I restarted lightdm from there and that worked
[20:28] <brainwash_> try to kill light-locker next time it happens
[20:28] <brainwash_> and then switch to vt7
[20:28] <elfy> it's not likely to unless I force it to - I'm only doing this to get information :)
[20:29] <brainwash_> that's great, hopefully we get this fixed in time
[20:31] <brainwash_> another thing to test: after resuming from suspend don't unlock yet, switch to vt7 and check if light-locker is displaying the "This session is locked. Redirecting to blabla..." screen
[20:32] <brainwash_> or if the black screen is already blocking the screen
[20:32] <elfy> so you want me to do it again - then kill lightdm?
[20:32] <brainwash_> leave lightdm alone! :)
[20:32] <elfy> when it comes back from suspend the black screen is already there - no way to read anything
[20:32] <elfy> one other thing I noticed - the screen is dimmer 
[20:32] <brainwash_> so you've tried it already?
[20:33] <elfy> no - I just know what it looks like lol 
[20:33] <brainwash_> please try this
[20:34] <brainwash_> resume and use ctrl-alt-f7
[20:34] <elfy> k
[20:34] <brainwash_> usually it should display an informative message and then automatically switch you back to the greeter screen
[20:35] <elfy> oh hang on 
[20:35] <brainwash_> informative message + big lock icon
[20:35] <elfy> when I resume I get the lock screen - for password entry - enter password - black screen
[20:35] <elfy> and ctr alt f7 - is the black screen
[20:36] <brainwash_> don't enter the password
[20:36] <brainwash_> so the black screen is already on vt7 without unlocking the session?
[20:37] <elfy> vt7 is black screen 
[20:37] <elfy> keep forgetting that lock screen is on vt8 :)
[20:37] <brainwash_> mmh
[20:39] <brainwash_> last thing to test: run "dm-tool switch-to-greeter; xfce4-session-logout --suspend"
[20:39] <elfy> in vt something other than 7 or 8 :p
[20:39] <brainwash_> and make sure light-locker is disabled
[20:40] <brainwash_> normal terminal window
[20:41] <elfy> ok
[20:43] <elfy> ok - at unlock screen now 
[20:43] <brainwash_> unlock
[20:44] <elfy> I did - got an autenticate for suspend dialog and a timeout for it 
[20:44] <elfy> it didn't suspend though 
[20:45] <brainwash_> oh, well, lets try this "killall light-locker; dm-tool switch-to-greeter"
[20:46] <brainwash_> and suspend from the greeter screen
[20:46] <brainwash_> the power menu in the top right corner
[20:46] <elfy> ok suspended 
[20:46] <brainwash_> great
[20:47] <brainwash_> resume and unlock
[20:47] <elfy> yep - done
[20:47] <brainwash_> black screen?
[20:47] <elfy> no
[20:47] <elfy> straight in from password unlock
[20:47] <brainwash_> so light-locker is the culprit then
[20:48] <elfy> nasty
[20:48] <brainwash_> we already have a similar report
[20:48] <brainwash_> not a black screen, but an invisible cursor
[20:48] <elfy> anything else I can do to help debug this?
[20:48] <brainwash_> after unlocking from suspend
[20:49] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:49] <elfy> night jhenke 
[20:50] <brainwash_> good night
[20:50] <brainwash_> elfy: yes
[20:50] <brainwash_> re-enable lock on suspend
[20:51] <brainwash_> then run "killall light-locker; light-locker --debug 2> light-locker.log"
[20:51] <brainwash_> + suspend and so on
[20:53] <brainwash_> unlock, verify that the black screen is there, restart lightdm and upload light-locker.log
[20:55] <elfy> brainwash_: suspend by closing lid?
[20:55] <brainwash_> or via menu
[20:56] <elfy> no black screen
[20:57] <elfy> ha ha 
[20:57] <brainwash_> that's odd
[20:58] <elfy> so no black screen if suspend from menu, black screen is suspend by closing lid
[20:59] <brainwash_> can you confirm this?
[20:59] <brainwash_> I mean does it always work?
[20:59] <elfy> only did it once
[21:00] <elfy> I am now at the desktop which is unresponsive
[21:00] <elfy> it's back now 
[21:01] <brainwash_> ok, try to trigger the blackscreen again, but always run "killall light-locker; light-locker --debug 2> light-locker.log" before trying it
[21:02] <elfy> yep - doin git now - first via menu
[21:02] <brainwash_> so we get a debug logfile
[21:02] <Noskcaj> If we want to re-include gthumb, i've just uploaded a fixed version.
[21:03] <elfy> brainwash_: ok - via menu - comes back fine
[21:03] <brainwash_> what was broken?
[21:03] <brainwash_> elfy: that's great and strange at the same time
[21:04] <elfy> ok redoing it to a different log file so we have one good and one broken
[21:04] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, the menus were all missing
[21:04] <brainwash_> so it got patched like nautilus and co?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, no, just reverted to the current stable release
[21:06] <elfy> brainwash_: shall I spam the lp report with these 2 logs?
[21:06] <brainwash_> elfy: sure
[21:07] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: but we dropped it
[21:07] <brainwash_> should we revert this decision? at this point of the cycle?
[21:08] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, I'm not sure, since i still don't like having gthumb. But the actual reason it was dropped is now fixed
[21:08] <elfy> brainwash_: ok - logs added 
[21:09] <elfy> gave you both - the one from when it worked and the fail one
[21:09] <Unit193> It was dropped because it wasn't needed, ristretto works well whereas it didn't before.
[21:09] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, And as i said yesterday, i can't do the abiword work, but i can show you how
[21:09] <elfy> I see no reason to add gthumb back 
[21:09] <elfy> now I am off - cya tomorrow peeps
[21:10] <Noskcaj> bye elfy
[21:15] <GridCube> the idea behind gthumb is that it provides simple image manipulation, croping, resizing, etc, you dont need a gimp-mastery degree to do any of those things, ristretto can't do that, cant resize cant change formats cant crop. 
[21:16] <GridCube> and yes, yes, gimp can do all of those things and a whole lot more
[21:16] <GridCube> but thats like giving a katana to someone who just needs to cut bread
[21:18] <brainwash_> it's too late
[21:18] <GridCube> don't say
[21:20] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: is this a debdiff? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/171376854/abiword_3.0.0-4_3.0.0-4ubuntu0test2.diff.gz
[21:20] <brainwash_> the diff from my PPA
[21:21] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, You'll need to run update-maintainer and add some DEP3 headers, but yes
[21:22] <brainwash_> no clue how to do this
[21:31] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, you just run the command "update-maintainer"
[21:32] <brainwash_> trusty or UNRELEASED?
[21:33] <brainwash_> for the changelog
[21:33] <Noskcaj> trusty
[21:33] <Noskcaj> and dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ is how to add dep3 headers, but they ren't really needed
[21:37] <brainwash_> I'll try that
[21:38] <Noskcaj> thanks
[21:39] <brainwash_> want to prepare a branch for xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[21:39] <brainwash_> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test/+files/xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.2-0ubuntu1test2.debian.tar.gz
[21:40] <brainwash_> contains the experimenal patch
[21:40] <Logan_> Noskcaj: please update xfdesktop4 to the newest upstream
[21:40] <Logan_> I'll sponsor
[21:40] <Noskcaj> Logan_, corsac (debian xfce team) was going to upload it later today, so i'll merge from there
[21:41] <Logan_> ok
[21:42] <Logan_> Noskcaj: what's highest prio for me to sponsor right now?
[21:43] <Noskcaj> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298741
[21:43] <Noskcaj> or https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/thunar/bugfixes/+merge/214351
[21:44] <Noskcaj> Thanks for helping us with this Logan_ 
[21:44] <Logan_> I already did shimmer-themes :P
[21:44] <Logan_> it's waiting for approval
[21:44] <Logan_> oh, I should mark that as Fix Committed
[21:44] <Logan_> stupid queue
[21:45] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:45] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: bug 1302571
[21:45] <brainwash_> for the xfce4-indicator-plugin patch
[21:46] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, and the patch is in your ppa?
[21:46] <brainwash_> yes, I've linked the tar.gz
[21:47] <Noskcaj> I'll package it once i've fixed the sra-sdk ftbfs.
[21:47] <brainwash_> it's the patch extracted from http://git.xfce.org/users/ajb/xfce4-indicator-plugin/
[21:48] <brainwash_> and edited to not run upstart init process twice
[21:48] <brainwash_> works for me just fine
[21:52] <Noskcaj> ok. I don't think i have time to package it till tomorrow morning though
[21:54] <brainwash_> we might change it even a bit, currently it's basically just a hacky workaround and some ifdefs would be great
[21:54] <brainwash_> but having the branch helps a lot I think
[23:54] <lderan> forestpiskie, The nvidia stuff hasn't messed up the light locker settings for me, shall continue to find out what is happening tomorrow