[02:07] <TheX> When Xubuntu 14.04 LTS is released. Can I install it from my update Manager? Or will I have to use a DVD to install?
[02:08] <delt> TheX: was just wondering the same, although i'm pretty sure there's a way to update packages to the official release once it's out
[02:11] <TheX> delt: Thanks for the info.. Hoping we can just upgrade from the update manager.
[02:12] <mzr> stroke of geniues today, vmware's unity function will not activate if you have it fullscreen...so always check that first
[02:12] <mzr> *genius x2
[03:17] <skribblezatcha> the xubuntu trusty wallpaper is hideous.
[03:53] <holstein> skribblezatcha: please only use this channel for support questions.. use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[03:54] <skribblezatcha> will do holstein, my fault.
[11:50] <xubuntu256> Hi, I'm new to xubuntu and have installed 13.10 on my late model desktop (dual boot with win 7). Networking isn't working though. Is someone able to give me a few pointers/assistance please?
[11:55] <xubuntu256> The network menu shows "Enable networking" as checked, but "Ethernet Network disconnected" greyed out.
[11:56] <xubuntu256> lspci output includes this line "04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)"
[11:58] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Looks like you and I have the same network card, give me a second.
[11:59] <xubuntu256> Thanks bgardner
[12:03] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Hm, my connection is pretty vanilla.  You are trying to connect wired, is that right?
[12:04] <xubuntu256> Yes, wired connection.
[12:05] <xubuntu256> I have my interfaces file and lshw output if that would help.
[12:05] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Definitely, please pastebin those while I research.
[12:05] <xubuntu256> Sorry, I don't know what pastebin is
[12:06] <cfhowlett> !pastebin|xubuntu256 read:
[12:07] <bgardner> Thanks cfhowlett, I didn't see that question.
[12:08] <xubuntu256> lshw -c network output is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216746/
[12:10] <xubuntu256> interfaces is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216750/ - the last two lines I added to try and get it working (based on another site I found), but they didn't work so I commented them out
[12:11] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Thanks, both of those are the same as mine.  Please paste output of dmesg next.
[12:12] <bgardner> xubuntu256: I need to step away, but I will be back in just a few minutes.  Go ahead with the paste and I'll check it when I get back.
[12:13] <xubuntu256> I'm on Windows at the moment. I'll have to shutdown, boot xubuntu, grab dmesg output and jump back on Windows - could take a few minutes.
[12:24] <bgardner> xubuntu256: At your leisure, I'll be here.  Be sure to put my nick in the output so my IRC client will ping me.
[12:24] <xubuntu256> bgardner: dmesg output is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216795/ - I'm lost trying to interpret it
[12:25] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Reading it, stand by.
[12:26] <simpleuser> Hi there. I’m using a layout different than qwerty (French bépo). I often use the Ctrl+Alt+D to hide all windows in XFCE. Now it works half of the time.
[12:27] <simpleuser> I must use the new D key or the old one, and it’s very random, changing every session.
[12:27] <simpleuser> Any idea ?
[12:31] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Well, driver loaded and card is responding normally but never comes up.  Not sure it would teach us a lot, but please paste in output of 'nm-tool'.
[12:31] <xubuntu256> bgardner: will be back in a few minutes with it
[12:39] <xubuntu256> bgardner: nm-tool output is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7216840/
[12:39] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Looking now
[12:44] <bgardner> xubuntu256: We're talking on the same machine, just dual booted into Windows?  Also using the wired connection, right?
[12:44] <xubuntu256> Yes - I'm using windows 7 now (wired connection) - never had a problem with it.
[12:45] <xubuntu256> bgardner: Yes - I'm using windows 7 now (wired connection) - never had a problem with it.
[12:46] <bgardner> xubuntu256: When you switch from Win7 to Ubuntu, do you reboot or power off?
[12:46] <xubuntu256> bgardner: I have read of some earlier issues with usign "sleep" mode in Windows, but I'm shutting down fully each time.
[12:46] <xubuntu256> bgardner: Power off
[12:47] <bgardner> xubuntu256: :P  Okay, then I think I'm too stupid to fix this.  It should be working as you have it configured (especially since I have the same card and config).
[12:47] <jcfp> xubuntu256: your lshw output shows autonegotiated at only 10 mbit/s half duplex. Which - Unless you live in a cave, that's probably incorrect. No idea how to fix that though.
[12:48] <bgardner> xubuntu256: Have you tried asking in #ubuntu?
[12:48] <xubuntu256> bgardner: Not yet.  Really appreciate the assistance you've given.  Getting late here so I might try #ubuntu tomorrow.  Many thanks.
[12:48] <bgardner> xubuntu256: I know you run Xubuntu (and so do I), but I highly doubt your issue is specific to the DE.
[12:49] <bgardner> xubuntu256: My pleasure, good luck and I'm sorry I couldn't get you going.
[12:49] <xubuntu256> bgardner: I might try installing ubuntu 13.10 64bit over the top of xubuntu just to be sure first.
[13:34] <RFleming> Good morning!
[13:41] <jipang_menjerit> hi guys, I've just upgrade my xubuntu to 13.10..unfortunately my screen went problem after login
[13:42] <jipang_menjerit> tried to install fglrx, but no luck
[14:32] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, I'm not an AMD user, but I seem to recall that older cards that worked with FGLRX in previous distros no longer are supported.
[14:33] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, you most likely will need to switch to the xorg driver to figure this out.  I don't know what that's called either.
[14:33] <jipang_menjerit> RFleming, is there any way I can run command to that problem tty?
[14:33] <jipang_menjerit> I assume it's tty7
[14:34] <RFleming> yes, but if you're stuck on tty1, that means your graphics driver hasn't loaded.
[14:34] <RFleming> which means your fglrx didn't compile with the new kernel
[14:34] <jipang_menjerit> I only know the xrandr command to fix it
[14:34] <RFleming> I don't know how to install amd drivers from cli
[14:35] <jipang_menjerit> actually, I manually move to tty1
[14:35] <jipang_menjerit> sorry for wrong information
[14:35] <jipang_menjerit> try to fix from there, but no success
[14:35] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, check out this post on askubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/365631/how-to-reinstall-the-default-graphics-drivers-in-terminal-and-without-internet
[14:35] <RFleming> that's the best I can do for you.
[14:37] <jipang_menjerit> better try then nothing
[14:37] <jipang_menjerit> thanks RFleming
[14:37] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, good luck! :)
[14:38] <jipang_menjerit> forget to ask
[14:39] <jipang_menjerit> did "blank screen" bug has been fix on kernel 2.11.0-19?
[14:41] <bekks> jipang_menjerit: Which bug exactly?
[14:44] <jipang_menjerit> bekks, this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1229686
[14:44] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, looks like no
[14:44] <bekks> jipang_menjerit: Both referenced bugs arent fixed, according to the bug tracker.
[14:45] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, you said you upgraded to 13.10.
[14:45] <RFleming> you should be on a newer kernel than 2.11 though
[14:45] <jipang_menjerit> sorry, should be 3
[14:45] <RFleming> ahh
[14:45] <jipang_menjerit> man, I hate small notebook
[14:46] <jipang_menjerit> any work trough? or should I just change another release/distro?
[14:47] <akis> hi all. I am reading here:http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/12-04/ that "The support window for Xubuntu 12.04 will end on April 2015. The Ubuntu core for 12.04 is supported until April 2017".Does this definetely mean that my 12.04.4 will stop be updated on April 2015 or it will continue until 2017 when the ubuntu core will be discontinued for 12.04? And if actually the support will stop next year (2015) is it possible to upgrade to 14.04 when it will
[14:47] <akis> be released without the new system based on 14.04 takes the double size on my hd? Will this upgrading be on my existing system 12.04 or it will be on the side of it?
[14:49] <RFleming> akis, 12.04 support is 5 years
[14:50] <RFleming> so October 2017
[14:50] <RFleming> a new LTS is released every 2 years
[14:50] <bekks> RFleming: April 2017.
[14:51] <jipang_menjerit> RFleming, just let you knot that method works for me
[14:51] <jipang_menjerit> thanks again
[14:51] <RFleming> whoops :)
[14:51] <RFleming> jipang_menjerit, good to know!
[14:51] <akis> RFleming: are u sure about this? why it says: The support window for Xubuntu 12.04 will end on April 2015. What does it mean by this?
[14:51] <RFleming> akis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[14:52] <cfhowlett> akis 12.04 is supported for 3 years on xubuntu
[14:52] <RFleming> cfhowlett, really?  xubuntu didn't go 5 years like everyone else?
[14:52] <cfhowlett> RFleming sadly, no ...
[14:52] <RFleming> oh damn
[14:52] <RFleming> I never read it right
[14:52] <jipang_menjerit> is it?
[14:52] <RFleming> 3 years desktop
[14:52] <RFleming> 5 years server
[14:52] <cfhowlett> RFleming true
[14:53]  * RFleming mutters: That's what you get when you only use LTS for servers.
[14:53] <cfhowlett> RFleming well you SHOULD use LTS on servers ...
[14:53] <akis> cfhowlett: ok. that is what i read.Does it this mean that no update will be provided for xubuntu althouth the ubuntu core will be alive until 04/2017?
[14:54] <cfhowlett> akis for desktop or server?
[14:54] <RFleming> in the past you can still get updates through archive, but the product isn't supported.
[14:54] <akis> cfhowlett: desktop (stand alone machine)
[14:54] <RFleming> until they stop supporting core altogether
[14:55] <cfhowlett> akis 12.04 desktop supported ends in 2015.  ENDS.  on server ... 2017
[14:56] <cfhowlett> akis and as stated . ubuntu core is supported until 2017
[14:57] <RFleming> akis, not planning on upgrading to the new 14.04 LTS coming out Apr 17?
[14:57] <akis> cfhowlett: ok. its clear. what is then the procedure to be updated through archives or even better to upgrade to 14.04 which is expected to be released this April?
[14:57] <cfhowlett> akis 14.04 releases on 04/17
[14:58] <RFleming> akis, since you're on an LTS already... when 14.04 LTS is released, update manager should inform you of a new LTS version and prompt if you want to upgrade.
[14:59] <akis> cfhowlett: i read that ubuntu 14.04 lts will release on Apr 2015 for a 5 years support until 2019!
[14:59] <RFleming> akis, no, 14.04 is going to be released in a few days
[14:59] <jipang_menjerit> what if I install ubuntu server, but install xubuntu-desktop, am I affect with this support issue?
[14:59] <cfhowlett> akis I suspect you're getting things confused.  14.04 is scheduled for 04/17/14  so: 14 = 2014, 04 = April, thus 14.04 = 2014, Apirl
[15:00] <akis> RFleming: that it my opinion too! 14.04 is going to be released this Apr.
[15:00] <RFleming> akis, Ubuntu versions are easy to remember.  YY.mm, YY = year, mm = month
[15:00] <RFleming> releases happen twice a year, 04 and 10 (April and October)
[15:00] <RFleming> LTS releases happen when YY is an even numbered year, and always in April
[15:00] <akis> RFleming: yea. clear.
[15:01] <akis> cfhowlett: its Greece here. So we have dd/mm/yyyy. But it is clear what you explained to me. I appreciate it.
[15:02] <RFleming> cfhowlett, there was talk a while ago about a rolling release.  Has that fizzled out?
[15:02] <cfhowlett> RFleming fizzled.  for now.
[15:03] <RFleming> an Ubuntu wheezy would be awesome
[15:04] <akis> cfhowlett: if i will choose to upgrade my system the new version will be installed on my present version or in the side so i it will take more space from my "small" hd?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> akis your choice to go side by side or replace the existing OS.
[15:05] <RFleming> did xfce 4.12 get released yet?
[15:06] <akis> cfhowlett: will be a choice for that through 'update manager" tool? i dont want to go for a new clean isntallation because i dont have the courage for a new configuration of my system!
[15:06] <cfhowlett> akis through update manager? you current OS will be replaced by 14.04
[15:07] <cfhowlett> RFleming doesn't seem like it  http://www.xfce.org/
[15:07] <RFleming> a lot of crossed out text :)
[15:07] <RFleming> https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap
[15:08] <RFleming> akis, here's a document that you can use as a reference to see how the last LTS upgrade worked.  It should be similar
[15:08] <RFleming> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades
[15:08] <RFleming> you want to look at 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS
[15:10] <RFleming> there should be a 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS guide come available around April 17, 2014
[15:10] <akis> cfhowlett: that's good news!  is the best choice. I s this a new capability of ubuntu distribution because some years ago (before i tuned to xubuntu) i upgraded my kubuntu throuth 'terminal"and as far as i can remember it wasnt a replacement.
[15:11] <cfhowlett> akis could be that functionality wasn't available back then.
[15:17] <akis> thank you all of you for your advises. your opinion is to choose to go for an upgrade or to stay on 12.04?
[15:18] <cfhowlett> akis wait for 14.04
[15:18] <akis> yes wait. and then upgrade or not?
[15:19] <cfhowlett> akis of course!  14.04 looks to be quite tasty!
[15:19] <RFleming> upgrade to 14.04 after April 17th
[15:20] <RFleming> it's a fantastic system
[15:20] <akis> yes and i already read about some useful functionalities. i just be afraid if my system will be slower or does it hundle better cpu and ram?
[15:21] <RFleming> xfce has improved since 12.04
[15:21] <cfhowlett> akis xubuntu should work fine, but if not, lubuntu is optimized for lower and older hardware.  the 14.04 will be LTS
[15:21] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu
[15:22] <akis> yes i know that lubuntu is always here but i will have to go for a new clean installation.
[15:22] <RFleming> akis, no you don't :)
[15:23] <cfhowlett> akis sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <RFleming> sudo apt-get -y install lubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get -y remove xubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <cfhowlett> akis this ^^^
[15:23] <RFleming> that'll get rid of xubuntu and install lubuntu
[15:24] <akis> i konw about these commands but i read that is better to switch to other distros with clean isntallations
[15:24] <cfhowlett> akis pretty mtrueuch
[15:24] <cfhowlett> pretty much true
[15:24] <GridCube> remove xubuntu-desktop will just remove the xubuntu-desktop metapackage, its not a way to uninstall the whole desktop
[15:24] <GridCube> is in fact useless to do so
[15:25] <cfhowlett> akis to test ONLY the look and feel of lubuntu, sudo apt-get install lxde    then logout, choose lxde session, login
[15:25] <pepeca> Hi
[15:26] <pepeca> I have an usb 3.0 and when I connect it in an usb 3.0 port It doesn't works
[15:26] <pepeca> but it works in a usb 2.0
[15:27] <pepeca> this is the output of the  dmesg | grep usb command
[15:27] <RFleming> GridCube, what if you used apt-get -y purge xubuntu-* xfce4-*?
[15:27] <akis> anyway i like xubuntu as the best one and i will stay with it. i have 3 systems. 1) dual core 2,2 with 2mb ram 2) old notebook celeron 1,5 ghz with 1,5 gb ram and 3) new netbook 1 ghz with 1gb ram. All of them run 12.04 smoothly! i hope the will do the samewith 14.04 too!
[15:27] <pepeca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217477/
[15:27] <RFleming> err autoremove --purge
[15:28] <pepeca> what could I do???
[15:28] <cfhowlett> akis I suspect you will be well pleased.  FYI: xubuntu is the base of ubuntustudio
[15:29] <GridCube> RFleming, i would not recommend to do that
[15:30] <RFleming> GridCube, was hypothetical anyway
[15:31] <RFleming> it would be nice if meta packages worked both ways
[15:31] <pepeca> somebody knows something about my problem???
[15:31] <RFleming> pepeca, I don't.
[15:32] <akis> cfhowlett: i am wondering about the following: 12.04 recognisemy lg gm750 mobile phone as ethernet device and i can connect notebook to interent through 3G network. Is there any chance that 14.04 kerner will not support this mobile phone so i wont be able to use it? I have to mention that 10.04 didnt support it. the support began after 12.04 release.
[15:32] <GridCube> !patience | pepeca
[15:33] <cfhowlett> akis phone support is in 12.04?  it'll continue or be readily available in 14.04
[15:34] <akis> cfhowlett: uner 12.04 is fully supported it. You confirm that this support will not be discontinued under 14.04?
[15:35] <cfhowlett> akis my best guess is: chillax, it
[15:35] <cfhowlett> it'll be there
[15:35] <cfhowlett> *guess*  As my dear departed dadhttp://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a3e0ad1e648846dd76727d6104965883?convert_to_webp=trueery cent!" would say "It's free advice and worth ev
[15:35] <GridCube> akis, i would try using a live session and seeing if the phone works there
[15:36] <RFleming> so Ubuntu One is dying eh?
[15:36] <GridCube> !ot | RFleming
[15:36] <GridCube> :)
[15:36]  * RFleming mutters
[15:37] <RFleming> :D
[15:37] <akis> GridCube: good idea. i am wondering about this because mane times new kernels ignore older devices.
[15:39] <GridCube> i was really surprised the other day when i connected an android phone to my pc and thunar automounted the mtp automagically, i was like... woah dude
[15:40] <fballs> did you have to configure anything? or did it just work?
[15:40] <akis> GridCube: 12.04 cannot connect with my son's alcatel S pop android phone.
[15:40] <GridCube> yep, that was the case before to me as well, but now, it worked :D
[15:41] <akis> but it do it perfectly with my older lg gm750 windows mobile 6.5 phone sing it as an ethernet network device!
[15:42] <akis> what are the minimal system requirements for 14.04?
[15:43] <cfhowlett> akis http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
[15:44] <RFleming> a computer :)
[15:45] <RFleming> Hey skribblezatcha.
[15:45] <akis> cfhowlett: these requirements are for 12.04
[15:45] <cfhowlett> akis expect the same for 14.04
[15:45] <RFleming> I think the space requirement was 6.4 on the install
[15:46] <skribblezatcha> hey RFleming. how are you doing?
[15:46] <RFleming> Good, you?
[15:46] <skribblezatcha> good to hear. things are good over this way, thanks.
[15:47] <akis> cfhowlett: that will be fine! The newest version of xcfe wont ask for higher requiremnets?
[15:48] <mzr> cfhowlett - fif you check the specs on the website :)
[15:49] <mzr> *did
[15:52] <akis> thank you guys all of you for your very useful advices. i have to go. i ll join this conversation after 14.04 release for your first views of the new system. i hope that upgrade will not take more space on my hd because my older notebook is almost full!
[15:56] <RFleming> mzr, you figure out that VMware unity thing?
[15:56] <mzr> yeah, can't activate unity from fullscreen, genius
[15:59] <RFleming> mzr, mine can
[15:59] <mzr> RFleming: well, mine won't O.o
[16:00] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[16:02] <mzr> wb skribblezatcha & RFleming do you use player or workstation?
[16:02] <RFleming> workstation
[16:03] <mzr> yeah - I don't have a need for that, so I'm using player....not sure why that'd be a limited feature
[16:54] <xubuntu540> Hi
[16:55] <skribblezatcha> whats up xubuntu540.
[16:56] <xubuntu540> I have a problem with xubuntu.
[16:56] <skribblezatcha> whats your issue xubuntu540?
[16:57] <xubuntu540> When it starts it does routine disk drive check, but doesn't go forward from that
[16:58] <xubuntu540> Literally it gets stuck
[16:58] <skribblezatcha> so its not allowing you to boot up completely to the login window?
[16:59] <xubuntu540> No, it does not allow that
[16:59] <skribblezatcha> ok, is it a fresh install, or did you upgrade from a version of xubuntu to another?
[16:59] <xubuntu540> Fresh install
[17:00] <skribblezatcha> ok cool. well then i dont see any reason why you wouldnt be able to boot up. when you installed, did you have a net connection while doing it?
[17:01] <xubuntu540> Yes i had it connected
[17:01] <skribblezatcha> ok good. what are the specs of the machine that you are running xubuntu on if you dont mind me asking?
[17:02] <xubuntu540> Specs..? Uh, it's very old for what i know..
[17:02] <mzr> xubuntu540: ^ (cpu, disk space available, & ram)
[17:02] <mzr> what was the original os?
[17:03] <skribblezatcha> ok, do you know if its able to boot a pae kernel?
[17:03] <xubuntu540> It was xp
[17:04] <mzr> if it could run xp then usually it can run xubuntu, but you might be on the minimum end of specs
[17:04] <xubuntu540> What is pae kernel? .. I'm not that good with computers
[17:04] <bekks> xubuntu540: Which CPU exactly do you have?
[17:04] <skribblezatcha> ok, i am wondering if you are getting a kernel panic when trying to boot up.
[17:05] <mzr> xubuntu540: there should be a general sticker for the cpu somewhere on it if you don't know
[17:05] <xubuntu540> Hmm
[17:06] <skribblezatcha> pae stands for physical address extension. basically i guess that it allows for a 32 bit kernel (OS) to utilize ram as if its a 64 bit system.
[17:06] <skribblezatcha> although after kernel 3.5 the non-pae kernel stopped being shipped. so all of the kernels after 3.5 are pae enabled kernel, and some of the older machines have issues with booting them.
[17:07] <skribblezatcha> are you on a different machine right now xubuntu540?
[17:08] <xubuntu540> Yes
[17:08] <skribblezatcha> ok, can you try booting the machine with xubuntu on it please and see if there is a mention of a kernel panic?
[17:09] <skribblezatcha> or so that we know exactly what its saying when trying to boot please.
[17:09] <xubuntu540> Okay
[17:09] <skribblezatcha> thanks.:)
[17:11] <xubuntu540> So should it appear on that black screen..? 'cause it now on unlocking the disk part
[17:11] <skribblezatcha> hmm, so you encrypted your home disk during installation?
[17:12] <xubuntu540> Yes..?
[17:13] <skribblezatcha> ok, that just hit me thats all, as to why that step is in your boot up process.
[17:14] <skribblezatcha> ok, so is it doing anything after that step, or is that where its getting stuck?
[17:14] <xubuntu540> English is not my native language, so i'm trying my best to understand... Just so you know...
[17:15] <xubuntu540> It starts that disk drive check and then it gets stuck
[17:16] <skribblezatcha> ok, and once stuck there is no error message that shows up or anything?
[17:17] <xubuntu540> No. It shows a bar that fills up, disappears and then nothing moves.
[17:17] <skribblezatcha> how long have you let it sit after that xubuntu540?
[17:17] <xubuntu540>  A bit over an hour on a firts try
[17:17] <skribblezatcha> ok, thanks.
[17:18] <skribblezatcha> i think that something went wrong during installation xubuntu540. maybe you should try reinstalling it. are you installing xubuntu saucy or xubuntu trusty?
[17:19] <xubuntu540> Is there anything i could do or is my computer a lost cause?
[17:20] <skribblezatcha> i would reinstall xubuntu and see if it boots for you. are you installing xubuntu saucy or xubuntu trusty?
[17:21] <xubuntu540> Is there anything i can do or is my computer a lost cause?
[17:22] <skribblezatcha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/  this is xubuntu trusty's daily build page.
[17:22] <cfhowlett> skribblezatcha download ISO, verify via md5sum, make boot USB and reinstall
[17:22] <skribblezatcha> redirects that to xubuntu540 ^
[17:22] <xubuntu540> Saucy
[17:23] <cfhowlett> skribblezatcha sorry - right
[17:23] <skribblezatcha> read cfhowlett's statement xubuntu540. have a good one.:D
[17:24] <xubuntu540> Ok, i'll try to re-install it. Thank you
[17:48] <XUbuntu_bang> I want to report a bug
[17:48] <XUbuntu_bang> I want to speak to someone in charge
[17:49] <bekks> In charge of what?
[17:52] <mzr> bekks: lol, he left less than a minute after asking
[17:55] <bekks> Maybe he found someone "in charge" :P
[18:04] <brunost> bekks: I bet he dialed support in stead
[18:44] <mzr> when somebody gets a second - who's the lead or Quality Assurance?
[18:55] <bekks> mzr: Do you want to praise him/her? :)
[19:09] <mzr> bekks: no comment
[19:11] <Justanick> Is there an option, that Xubuntu doesn't react on a closed lid (laptop) at the moment the system is shutting down?
[19:11] <Justanick> It is not very funny, if the system changes to standby at the shutdown process. ;) Using 14.04
[19:11] <ochosi> you can set that in the xfce4-power-manager-settings
[19:12] <ochosi> there should be two settings for what happens on lid-close
[19:12] <ochosi> one for on-battery, one for plugged-into-powersource
[19:13] <mzr> ochosi: no laptop lid options on my end
[19:13] <ochosi> do you see it on this screenshot? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-04-07-211326.php
[19:14] <Justanick> That is well known and not the problem. If I select the shutdown and the system starts to shutdown and I close than the screen it should be ignored. Not if I'm on the "desktop".
[19:14] <mzr> mine just asys power manager, guess I'll try relaunching from terminal
[19:15] <Justanick> Something like if the system just shutting down, ignore the lid is searched.
[19:16] <mzr> Justanick: not to ignore your problem, but windows does that too, idk about osx, haven't tried it
[19:17] <Justanick> @mzr: Maybe, but I haven't never triggered under windows 7. But two times the last weekend under Xubuntu.
[19:17] <Justanick> Maybe, but I have never triggered under windows 7.
[19:18] <mzr> well....can i say user-bias? :P
[19:18] <mzr> but seriously- have you looked in power manager yet?
[19:19] <Kekai> Is there a BSOD equivalent for linux?
[19:21] <Justanick> mzr: Yes, I have had a look at the powermanagment before I choose the irc channel.
[19:21] <Justanick> Using W7 and xubuntu ~50/50
[19:21] <mzr> so...would just disabling the lid-power stuff fix it for u?
[19:21] <Justanick> Kekai: Maybe Kernel Panic
[19:23] <mzr> Kekai: are you a troll? :P
[19:23] <Kekai> no
[19:24] <Kekai> i am proving a point to a friend that there is no blue screen on linux
[19:24] <bekks> Kekai: Even linux can crash.
[19:24] <Kekai> oh i know that
[19:24] <Kekai> anything can crash
[19:24] <Kekai> From PCs
[19:24] <Kekai> to your body
[19:25] <bekks> Kekai: So you cant prove it to your friend.
[19:25] <Justanick> mzr: Disabling the lid power option is not an option. I'm using this to set the laptop to sleep mode for short times.
[19:26] <Kekai> he also claims that he used linux and it rashed and he had to buy Ubuntu
[19:26] <Kekai> so idk if I should listen to him
[19:26] <bekks> Justanick: Then you have to wait for the shutdown before closing the lid.
[19:26] <Justanick> bekks: Sounds so.
[19:26] <bekks> Kekai: Dont listen to him at all, since Ubuntu is free.
[19:26] <Kekai> mhm
[19:27] <Kekai> i prefer Xubuntu
[19:27] <skribblezatcha> you can buy it with a donation.
[19:27] <Kekai> but thats all it is
[19:27] <Kekai> a donation
[19:27] <skribblezatcha> i prefer xubuntu as well. i wont touch ubuntu.
[19:28] <Kekai> Ubuntu is good, but I couldn't use it
[19:28] <skribblezatcha> agreed Kekai..but i do know some that donate and are sent a special disc made or buy the premade usb stick that is already made for them.
[19:28] <mzr> kekai - some people aren't the smartest when it comes to getting free stuff
[19:28] <Kekai> It was taking up more RAM than I could provide
[19:28] <Kekai> I only have 1 GB
[19:28] <skribblezatcha> i wont use unity, or the spyware that comes included in it. even using xubuntu i instal synaptic and gdebi installer, and then uninstall the software-center.
[19:29] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see Kekai.
[19:29] <Kekai> So Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the better options
[19:29] <pleia2> can we nudge this conversaion over to #xubuntu-offtopic please?
[19:29] <mzr> or getting more ram and running kde....
[19:29] <skribblezatcha> right, i understand. for me its more about actually preferring the XFCE DE than other DE's.
[19:30] <skribblezatcha> i have 2gb ram, with a single core 900 @ 2.2ghz. this laptop just turned 3 yrs old december 2013. so its fairly new.
[19:30] <bekks> skribblezatcha: You cant buy Ubuntu at all. You can donate or not. but you cannot buy Ubuntu.
[19:30] <skribblezatcha> it does well, but doesnt have the greatest specs.
[19:30] <skribblezatcha> bekks, i thought that was already discussed and corrected like ten lines ago.
[19:30] <skribblezatcha> agreed.
[19:31] <skribblezatcha> as i said, i know people that purchase (donate) the premade cds and usb sticks for themselves.
[19:31] <bekks> skribblezatcha: And there isi no whatsoever spyware in Unity.
[19:31] <skribblezatcha> false bekks.
[19:31] <skribblezatcha> spyware galore.
[19:31] <pleia2> folks, move this to -offtopic
[19:31] <bekks> Stop spreading FUD please.
[19:31] <pleia2> it's really not appropriate here
[19:31] <bekks> skribblezatcha: The amazon shopping lense can easily be disabled.
[19:31] <skribblezatcha> been there and done that too, so i wont bow down to what you say about it, i will just KNOW that there is spyware in it and move on. ending this convo.
[19:31] <mzr> bekks: skribblezatcha: Kekai: /join #xubuntu-offtopic lol
[19:32] <bekks> mzr: Acknowledged, but I wont follow a FUD discussion anywhere ;)
[19:32] <skribblezatcha> oops, i thought that i was in offtopic. my apologies.
[19:34] <mzr> on a support level- any idea why my touchpad works when i run xubuntu in a vm with a windows host, but not off of a liveusb?
[19:35] <Justanick> Does the vm not simulate an mouse?
[19:35] <bekks> Maybe the livecd just doesnt ship the driver for your touchpad.
[19:36] <mzr> so a full install would you're thinking?
[20:19] <badelvis> hi there.
[20:20] <badelvis> I encrypted my SSD during installation with luks. Now Xubuntu says its full, but only 40 GB are used and the whole SSD is 256 GB. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[20:20] <badelvis> .. of whats wrong
[20:20] <bekks> badelvis: the partition you created upon installation is full.
[20:22] <badelvis> bekks: i assumed it would take the whole drive. anyway i cant look at this hidden partition table
[20:22] <badelvis> bekks: at least not with gparted, i suppose
[20:23] <bekks> I never dealt with encryption, sorry.
[20:24] <kbits> is there a reason why xubuntu is not updating to 3.8+ on precise LTS?  I am still stuck on 3.2.0.60 for some reason.
[20:27] <bekks> kbits: Do you talk about the kernel version?
[20:27] <kbits> yes
[20:27] <bekks> kbits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[20:28] <kbits> also is there a bug with firefox resetting settings?
[20:28] <kbits> every reboot, it has been resetting my settings
[20:29] <kbits> even though I saved session
[20:29] <bekks> Maybe your settings are broken, try with "fresh" settings.
[20:31] <kbits> this is odd, I installed 12.04.4 LTS form USB. but it is still 3.2.0-60-generic-pae
[20:31] <kbits> from*
[20:33] <kbits> ok, so if I was to update to 12.10 or higher, would I still get LTS later?
[20:33] <skribblezatcha> is it an install to usb using peristence kbits?
[20:34] <kbits> it was a live USB, using UNetBootin
[20:34] <kbits> I believe so
[20:34] <skribblezatcha> cool, and you installed it to HDD from the usb stick then?
[20:34] <kbits> yes
[20:35] <kbits> and updated
[20:35] <skribblezatcha> ok cool. so you are saying that settings arent holding when you restart?
[20:36] <kbits> yeah, they are not sticking, I have to redownload the Adblock and Ghostery, and such plugins, and have to go change my settings everytime
[20:36] <skribblezatcha> ok, do you still have the usb stick with xubuntu on it kbits?
[20:36] <kbits> I sure do
[20:36] <skribblezatcha> also did you try a dual boot or just installing xubuntu?
[20:37] <kbits> this is a fresh install, and no windows or duel booting involved
[20:37] <skribblezatcha> ok cool. i would go live and reinstall it again kbits. if you want man, go live and come back and you can install it while chatting. just to be sure that things are ok.
[20:38] <skribblezatcha> i would also from the live session, reformat the partition to ext4 that you want to install to..and create your swap, then go ahead and reinstall it and see what happens.
[20:39] <kbits> whats the best recommended setting for my partitions?  150 GB Drive
[20:39] <skribblezatcha> how much ram do you have?
[20:39] <kbits> I want a 4GB swap no matter what
[20:39] <kbits> 4G RAM
[20:39] <kbits> or is a 4GB swap too big?
[20:40] <skribblezatcha> ok, well then go from either a 4gb swap to 8gb swap, and add a bit since 4gb is actually 4096mb.
[20:40] <kbits> right
[20:40] <skribblezatcha> i have 2gb ram, so i use a 4gb swap.
[20:40] <kbits> do I need a separate boot partition?
[20:40] <skribblezatcha> its double your ram to get sleep functions and all of that. thats the usual rule of thumb.
[20:41] <skribblezatcha> no, you can just create the installation partiton, and then a swap and you are good to go.
[20:41] <skribblezatcha> have boot at /
[20:41] <kbits> ok
[20:41] <kbits> also
[20:41] <kbits> I been encrypting my home, is that good and advised, or a bad thing to be doing?
[20:42] <skribblezatcha> security wise its a good thing, IF you are aware that if you want to access data from it you need to know how to unencrypt it. do you?
[20:42] <skribblezatcha> if not, dont do it.:)
[20:42] <skribblezatcha> if so, you are good to go.
[20:43] <kbits> also, what is recommended for the BIOS?  since I do not have UEFI, how do I need my BIOS setup to work flawlessly with xubuntu?
[20:43] <skribblezatcha> for example you are running a live session and try to access your install to get something, you cant because its encrypted, or for example you ssh in to your machine and cant access your data because its encrypted.
[20:44] <kbits> I tend to want to stay away from SSH lol
[20:44] <skribblezatcha> if you arent using uefi and are using the older (normal) bios..you dont have to worry about anything whatsoever other than installing it.
[20:44] <skribblezatcha> lol i hear you. i dont use it either man, i am a home user. if i find a reason to use it oneday then i will go for it..until then i am good to go.
[20:44] <kbits> the reason I ask, is because power management, my BIOS is being a bit greedy with it
[20:45] <skribblezatcha> what do you mean? as far as the power management thing?
[20:47] <RFleming> kbits, how much RAM do you have installed?
[20:49] <kbits> The ACPI, and DSDT has been giving me errors when using fwts, because I saw on a forum about it
[20:50] <kbits> I have 4GB, sorry phone called
[20:51] <skribblezatcha> so if you enter acpi -t in terminal kbits what happens?
[20:52] <kbits> hah
[20:52] <bekks> kbits: How much RAM do you have?
[20:52] <kbits> it says it is not installed
[20:52] <kbits> 4GB
[20:52] <kbits> 4096 MiB
[20:53] <bekks> kbits: Then you dont need more swap than about 4200MB.
[20:53] <skribblezatcha> ok, well then thats one error dealt with.:)  run sudo apt-get install acpi
[20:55] <kbits> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7218856/
[20:55] <kbits> thats my fwts results
[20:55] <kbits> perhaps someone can shed some light on what needs to be done
[20:55] <kbits> ok I will install it
[20:56] <skribblezatcha> well back to your settings not holding. i would fresh install, and then go from there kbits.
[20:57] <kbits> hmm.. will I have to reinstall acpi again?
[20:57] <kbits> I could of sworn that installed default
[20:58] <skribblezatcha> yes, i also have something else to recommend to you to make sure that all of those little things are installed for you. like acpi, lm-sensors, binutils, etc.
[20:59] <kbits> will that help the problems or errors in the log?
[21:00] <skribblezatcha> yes, but if your settings dont hold its all for nothing right?
[21:01] <kbits> I do not mind reformatting, nothing to loose really except some configurations... but thats about it, the thing is, I want to make sure I do this right, and those errors, at least the critical and highs can be avoided
[21:01] <kbits> I am hoping anyways
[21:01] <skribblezatcha> well once you are on the usb stick..come back to the channel and we can go from there ok?
[21:01] <kbits> ok, I may be a different name, or I will use kbits
[21:02] <kbits> bb in  a moment
[21:02] <loetmichel-l750> moin
[21:02] <loetmichel-l750> oh, english, sorry
[21:04] <loetmichel-l750> bye
[21:07] <kbits> ok on the live
[21:09] <kbits> I am back :)
[21:09] <skribblezatcha> wb man.:)
[21:09] <kbits> just deleted it
[21:10] <kbits> about to setup partitions
[21:10] <skribblezatcha> cool, are you doing that from gparted?
[21:10] <kbits> yes
[21:10] <skribblezatcha> cool.
[21:12] <kbits> ok got 1 ext4 partition, and a linux swap setup
[21:12] <skribblezatcha> nice, now go ahead and install xubuntu to the ext4 partition, and once installed and updated we are good to go.
[21:12] <kbits> I set the swap to 4 GB again
[21:13] <skribblezatcha> ok cool.
[21:13] <kbits> I do not hibernate my system
[21:14] <kbits> now this is the question
[21:14] <skribblezatcha> ok..
[21:14] <kbits> it acts like it wants to delete files, but will it create any new partitions?
[21:14] <kbits> or change my setup?
[21:15] <skribblezatcha> what do you mean, what acts like it wants to delete files and will what create new partitions?
[21:15] <kbits> there is 2 choices
[21:16] <kbits> Rease, or do something else
[21:16] <kbits> Erase*
[21:16] <skribblezatcha> do something else kbits.
[21:16] <skribblezatcha> once there let me know man.
[21:16] <kbits> there
[21:16] <kbits> it shows my partitions
[21:16] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, now click on your ext4 partition, then do you see change down there?
[21:17] <kbits> sda1
[21:17] <skribblezatcha> yes, click on sda1, then look below the partition chart, and you will see "change" see it?
[21:18] <kbits> did it, figured that part out, it was not setup, but now it is on next step
[21:19] <skribblezatcha> ok cool.
[21:19] <skribblezatcha> yeah on change you choose ext4, tick format, and choose /
[21:19] <kbits> yes
[21:19] <skribblezatcha> then it goes to the next step when you click on next.
[21:19] <skribblezatcha> ok good.:)
[21:20] <kbits> btw I done this a million times, just not manual
[21:21] <skribblezatcha> i feel you. well the manual way tends to work best when creating a swap, or something like that..because letting it just erase, gets rid of that swap that you made. then you have to go back later and create it again you know?
[21:22] <kbits> it has created my swap before, but there is errors on this on install all the time btw
[21:22] <skribblezatcha> yeah, i dont know what the deal is..although the medibuntu repo's are no longer available. so i know that those may need removed.
[21:22] <kbits> always errors with Nvidia drivers
[21:23] <skribblezatcha> those are all things that i have seen a long the way though man. i learn them from others since i never used precise. just precise based distros.
[21:23] <skribblezatcha> most of what i know about that is because i know others that do use it.
[21:23] <skribblezatcha> right right.
[21:24] <kbits> the errors are only with the driver not existing, and then it has to force update automatically... this thing has a brain... but the pause is long before it does it, and I have to wait, a couple of times, I thought it just hanged, and restarted, which was a no-no
[21:25] <skribblezatcha> i know right.
[21:26] <kbits> btw, any idea to as to why the download rate is lower on live usb, or cd, than the updater on the hdd?
[21:27] <skribblezatcha> what do you mean, like the speed?
[21:27] <kbits> 30 - 200 KiB download rate on USB, but 600+ KiB on the HDD booted
[21:27] <skribblezatcha> no i sure dont.
[21:27] <kbits> I guess its downloading to RAM or something?
[21:28] <skribblezatcha> i have no clue kbits.
[21:30] <skribblezatcha> brb kbits. i am going to go and restart real quick.
[21:33] <kbits> install would be much faster if I could get my full connection rate downloading. :P
[21:36] <kbits> !weather
[21:36] <skribblezatcha> ok back..thanks.
[21:36] <kbits> wb
[21:37] <skribblezatcha> thanks.
[21:37] <kbits> are those q2 games on ubuntu software center safe?
[21:38] <kbits> Quake2*
[21:38] <skribblezatcha> i dont know, i dont use the software-center kbits. i install synaptic and gdebi and uninstall the software-center. i am sure that the games are safe though.
[21:39] <kbits> I like the reviews, only reason I keep it
[21:39] <kbits> helps me know if somethiing sucks or not
[21:39] <skribblezatcha> right, i feel you.:)
[21:39] <kbits> yeah, the synaptic is a life saver
[21:39] <kbits> if I am too lazey to use sudo's
[21:40] <kbits> good for finding system packages
[21:40] <kbits> and desktops
[21:40] <skribblezatcha> plus you can install so much all at the same time. its nice for uninstalling too since it gets rid of all config files with a complete removal.
[21:41] <skribblezatcha> you can see all packages that are related to a package too..which is nice and remove it all at the same time.
[21:41] <kbits> sudo apt-get remove --purge package does the same thing right?
[21:41] <skribblezatcha> yes, but it usually gets rid of THE package, and not the deps that are installed with the package.
[21:41] <skribblezatcha> thats why i go in and do it with synaptic. to get ALL of it.
[21:42] <kbits> yeah I hate dependancies
[21:42] <skribblezatcha> i do too.
[21:42] <kbits> and I hate adding ppa's
[21:42] <kbits> can't trust most of them
[21:42] <skribblezatcha> i add ppa's sometimes..but nowadays with me thinking ahead i tend to leave them alone.
[21:43] <kbits> lol, I learned my lesson
[21:43] <kbits> many reformats do to ppa's
[21:43] <skribblezatcha> for the fact that when using a version of an OS that isnt LTS, and also doesnt support upgrade through terminal..which i tend to anyways, i dont like cleaning up sources before doing so.
[21:43] <kbits> either that or bad dependancies
[21:43] <skribblezatcha> lol i hear that.
[21:43] <skribblezatcha> right, exactly.
[21:44] <kbits> eh, I have to clean up the installs everytime too
[21:44] <kbits> I really have no need for thunderbird, or mail services
[21:45] <kbits> and I do not use bluetooth
[21:45] <skribblezatcha> see i love thunderbird. its a heavy app though.
[21:45] <skribblezatcha> i dont use bluetooth either.
[21:45] <kbits> and bluetooth and some mail services have major dependancies
[21:46] <kbits> just uninstall one of those, and your whole desktop is crippled
[21:46] <kbits> or unbootable
[21:46] <skribblezatcha> well what you do is go to thunderbird's site online, and download thunderbird, then just run the executable. make a panel launcher for it, or a desktop launcher and you are good to go.
[21:46] <skribblezatcha> i agree with you there, its out there.
[21:47] <skribblezatcha> once you get that installed and updated kbits, i want to share something with you. i think that you will like it. its pretty neat. but i will share it with you in a PM if that is ok.
[21:48] <kbits> I love how this installer goes "oops I can not find this folder", then its like, "Ok, found it" lmao
[21:48] <skribblezatcha> lol
[21:48] <kbits> well
[21:48] <kbits> is it something risky?
[21:48] <kbits> wont kill my pc?
[21:49] <skribblezatcha> no not at all, i think that you will like it. it will probably be a bit faster on that pc to be honest.
[21:49] <kbits> right now I want to fix my problems to be honest
[21:50] <skribblezatcha> well ofcourse. thats the best thing to do since thats your main OS.
[21:50] <skribblezatcha> brb man.
[21:52] <kbits> the pc runs fine, and games too... just my card overheats a bit, and random lock ups in games... but nothing too severe YET.
[21:52] <kbits> and wb
[21:53] <skribblezatcha> right right, well thats cool..and thanks.
[21:53] <kbits> the fwts results bother me though
[21:53] <kbits> oh nice, the connection kicked into 10th gear
[21:54] <skribblezatcha> well for that, we are going to head to another repo and download a .deb of inxi..then you will run inxi --recommends and it will show you all of the packages that you need to install to get better results with that test.
[21:54] <skribblezatcha> nice.
[21:54] <kbits> another ppa?
[21:54] <kbits> not so sure about that
[21:56] <skribblezatcha> no, you dont need a ppa for that.
[21:56] <kbits> sounds legit
[21:56] <skribblezatcha> it is, i use it.
[21:56] <kbits> now its at the part of throwing up 1000 WARNINGS and ERRORS not finding modules
[21:57] <kbits> then it appears to hang
[21:58] <skribblezatcha> is it saying where its going to find those modules?
[21:58] <skribblezatcha> are there errors medibuntu related?
[21:59] <kbits> naw gl and nvidia related
[21:59] <kbits> it is still hung
[22:00] <kbits> it appears to be downloading
[22:00] <kbits> but nothing is showing in terminal
[22:01] <skribblezatcha> right right.
[22:02] <kbits> naw this is ubiquity: WARNING:root:modinfo for module nvidia_versionnumberhere failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_versionnumber
[23:59] <xubuntu068> Not sure if I am in the right place but I'll give it a try. I created an Xubuntu CD and it booted nicely on my newer Toshiba Satellite. Ran in live mode and all seemed to work well. Now I want to try it on my very old Toshiba but upon booting it only shows a white screen.