[00:58] Logan_, do you have access to the branches, or just universe? [00:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1290737 [00:58] Launchpad bug 1290737 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "Switch off (dpms) time maybe overwritten by xfce power manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:58] bluesabre: just universe and multiverse [00:59] wait, which branches are you referring to? [01:00] I can do lp:ubuntu/ as well [01:00] lp:ubuntu/trusty/light-locker-settings [01:00] yeah [01:00] equally, we can upload an upload of that version, right? [01:00] also, thanks a bunch for all the uploads today :) [01:01] upload an upload? now you're losing me :P [01:01] I can merge that, if you want [01:02] yeah, that :D [01:02] my brain gets a bit foggy after working for 12 hours [01:02] my brain is always rather foggy [01:03] :) [01:03] brainwash_, you around? [01:04] hey bluesabre [01:04] sweet! [01:04] ochosi mentioned indicators to me [01:04] and said your ppa has the fixes [01:05] you want to test or prepare something? [01:06] both... first I'm curious what thing(s) it fixes :) [01:06] it's ali1234's patch [01:06] http://git.xfce.org/users/ajb/xfce4-indicator-plugin/ [01:07] so indicator-plugin starts and ends the indicator services [01:07] via upstart [01:08] oh nice [01:08] so no dealing with autostart [01:09] right, the normal autostart launchers were changed [01:09] yeah [01:09] brainwash_: you said there was a bug earlier [01:10] ali1234: the upstart init process is launched twice with your path [01:10] the bug is really obvious if you look at the code [01:10] i meant to move that piece of code but copied it instead [01:10] :D [01:10] so it does it twice [01:11] which isn't that bad.. until you logout and not all processes terminate [01:11] so they keep the previous session alive [01:12] silly xfce git doesn't allow push -f [01:13] what about your title-less windows patch? I guess it's too late to get it in, but it works fine for me [01:13] http://git.xfce.org/users/ajb/xfce4-indicator-plugin/commit/?h=upstart-init-2 [01:14] what about it? [01:14] it's done or? [01:14] i guess [01:14] like months ago [01:14] i don;t use it [01:16] I do.. but I just don't use apps to test it properly [01:16] it works for gthumb with the numix theme [01:16] :) [01:16] bluesabre: uploaded [01:17] thanks Logan_ ! [01:17] no problem :) [01:17] I suppose I'll probably have an indicator upload available in the morning [01:17] brainwash: are you adding the new patch to your ppa? [01:21] maybe, not sure if moving the code block changes anything at all [01:21] ali1234: why did you move the code block to the construct function? [01:21] seemed more appropriate [01:22] ok [01:25] bluesabre: I've told Noskcaj to prepare the indicator-plugin branch, so hopefully we don't end up with two branches :) [01:30] :) [01:30] we'll see which one appears first [01:31] I'll check to make sure he hasn't prepared a branch on the side [01:32] looks like we're still in the clear [04:34] wait [04:34] so i have a cron job running every 5 minutes [04:34] but it's not in crontab [04:34] or anywhere in cron.d [04:35] wtf? [04:35] bluesabre: Feel free to fix the indicator issue. I can't do packaging stuff till tomorrow morning, and have to do xfdesktop first === `Fibz`` is now known as `Fibz [06:32] goood morning [06:35] o/ [06:36] okay update time [06:36] 13.10 -> 14.04, wish me luck ;) [06:36] :) [06:46] hmm interesting: update-manager -d -c [06:46] ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu [06:46] ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Unity [06:46] WARNING:root:can not import unity GI cannot import name Dbusmenu [06:46] but proably not important [06:48] morning everyone [06:48] moin ochosi [06:49] hi jhenke [06:49] hi ochosi [06:49] hey elfy [06:49] thanks for being so persistent with the debugging last night [06:49] i'll try whether i can reproduce this oddity with the lid [06:49] you're welcome as always :) [06:49] that was a really helpful session you had there [06:50] if all I can so is grab info for people that can do more - then I'll do that :) [06:50] now we "only" have to fix the issue :> [06:50] ... [06:50] indeed ;) [06:50] frankly, if this ends up a known issue for 14.04, it'll be fixed in 14.04.1 [06:51] and we can suggest an easy workaround: disable lock on suspend by default :D [06:52] which will be easier when the disable buttons sync :p [06:53] yup [06:53] which is about to land though [06:53] thanks to Logan_ [06:53] yep [06:53] yea indeed :) [06:53] takes the pressure off micahg I guess :) [06:59] yeah, as soon as we have other ppl with push-rights to our branches [07:00] <`Fibz> lock on suspend works fine over here [07:01] I also thought the different falvours have control over their specfic branches, seems quite idiotic to have always relay on ubuntu people to push everything [07:05] `Fibz: good to hear. also on lid-close? [07:05] <`Fibz> dont have a laptop handy. i can report back on that tomorrow [07:05] ochosi: we going to push your blog post out before release? [07:06] or are we going to publish a whole bunch at the same time :) [07:06] `Fibz: thanks, that'd be great [07:06] elfy: hm, haven't thought of a concrete date, i assumed soon after the release [07:07] guess ideally i still have to add two screenshots [07:07] okey doke [07:07] * elfy was just wondering [07:07] but i'm open to suggestions [07:07] if there are good reasons to publish it beforehands i don't mind [07:08] well I have had people wanting to know about sound missing when it's locked [07:08] and people ARE using the beta now [07:08] just a thought [07:11] hmright [07:11] i'll talk to knome when he's around [07:11] ok [07:36] the worse thing with such upgrades is the waiting.... [09:06] ochosi, elfy: i'm fine with any publishing date [09:08] hi knome - okey doke - I didn't want to do mine till later anyway - after release at the earliest - was just concerned about a bunch going out at the same time and not being seen until the page gets sorted [09:10] i should get the fixes in ASAP [09:10] i pretty much have them ready locally, but this sickness is slowing me down [09:13] okay - well don't rush on my account [09:15] heh [09:15] well my intention is to get it in before 14.04 release [09:15] and since it involves the canonical IS, would be better to get it in queue ASAP [09:17] I can concur with that appraisal of the situation ... [09:32] upgrade looks good so far, but a lot of old config data left behind [09:32] that's normal [09:35] and the ibus problem [09:35] yep [09:35] after upgrade keyboard layout is en_US [09:36] we're making a decision on that tomorrow [09:39] light-locker is huge improvement [09:39] xscreensaver always looked very out of place [09:39] thanks, that is nice to hear [09:48] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-14-04-point-1 [09:48] Logan_: hey, what's this xfdesktop4 4.11.5-1ubuntu1 ? :) [09:50] i think it's a rebase against debian [09:51] ok [10:05] ochosi: did you already read bug 1304064? [10:05] bug 1304064 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Light Locker - screen is blank after login when screen was blanked and locked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304064 [10:06] yeah, apart from this line it seems to be a duplicate: [10:06] Every time it is locked and is blanked, I lose the session to a blank screen after login. [10:07] indeed, a duplicate [10:07] locked and blanked... mmh [10:09] could it be that xfpm fails to restore the screen brightness? [10:09] or messes with it [10:10] oooh - I was getting that yesterday when fiddling while debugging with you [10:11] did you try to restore the brightness manually? [10:11] sounds unlikely that this would help [10:11] people would have tried that already [10:13] ochosi: the kb shortcut changes are not required, but we want to make sure that the shortcut file don't get messed up [10:17] elfy: can you confirm bug 1304128? === bluesabre1 is now known as bluesabre [10:25] brainwash: yeah, i think i mentioned that first part in my review === bluesabre1 is now known as bluesabre [10:34] sheesh [10:35] https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-indicator-plugin/upstart-init/+merge/214713 [10:36] hey Logan_, ^ here's the branch for the indicator-plugin fix. If you get a chance to upload it today, I'd be grateful :) [10:36] s/upload/merge [10:36] ochosi, brainwash: ta-da! [10:37] wait a minute, why don't we simply use an upstart job to start the indicator services? :) [10:37] bluesabre: nice [10:47] thanks bluesabre [12:02] brainwash: I thought we were aware that we're not removing xscreensaver - but that the conf file calls light-locker first now [12:42] elfy: but it should be removed then unless the user (re)installed xscreensaver manually [12:43] ok - so we need to also remove the bottom panel - because we don't use that anymore, remove gthumb - we don't use that either [12:43] pretty sure this has all been discussed weeks ago [12:43] elfy, did you notice https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-14-04-point-1 ? [12:44] knome: I did thanks :) [12:44] np [12:44] bottom panel might be saved in the user config [12:44] so will changes someone has made to xscreensaver [12:45] I talking about the xscreensaver package [12:45] we don't depend on it anymore [12:45] same applies for gthumb I guess [12:46] I know what you're talking about - xflock4 calls light-locker first so it gets used first afaik [12:46] personally I think there are other things to be worrying about at the moment [12:46] ok, but this isn't the problem, xscreensaver runs in the background and does blank the screen [12:46] or displays a screensaver [12:47] no idea - waiting for it [12:47] not a deal breaker, but you know the common (x)ubuntu user [12:48] "why are both programs installed?" [12:48] :) [12:48] waiting for light-locker to blank the screen after 1 minute ... [12:48] 1 minute is rather short [12:49] do you test anything? [12:49] not when you're waiting for it so you can get on with other stuff it isn't ;) [12:50] what? [12:50] or what's the deal with the 1minute blank timer? [12:51] elfy: since you can reproduce that bug with light-locker, could you try to use unity-greeter (just to rule out that gtk-greeter is somehow involved)? [12:52] oh, gtk-greeter does set the timeout to 1 minute in lock mode [12:53] yes [12:53] i mean it works in the normal circumstances, so it'd be odd if it didn't work with suspend, but with this bug i'm not surprised by anything anymore [12:54] it seems to be so specific [12:56] ok - so lightlocker works in an upgraded 12.04 - not worried abou xscreensaver :) [12:57] ochosi: you mean the suspend with lid close bug? [12:58] knome: I've just realised that at 6pm on the 17th April I will be on a train - then not about till friday morning [12:58] elfy: yes [12:58] ochosi: ok - I'll do that now [12:59] ty [12:59] ochosi: should I add bug 1301873 to 14.04.1? [12:59] bug 1301873 in Xfwm4 "Add support for title-less windows" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301873 [12:59] yeah, you can to keep it on the radar [12:59] i don't know of many headerbar-apps in 14.04 repos though [12:59] and i'd really prefer if this patch was merged upstream first [12:59] more will be added most likely [13:00] if it becomes popular [13:00] mostly from apps installed via PPAs [13:01] elfy, awwh. well, don't worry, we'll make sure things get released etx [13:01] *etc [13:02] glad I looked first before intalling unity-greeter ... with recommends it wants to use 90Mb of sapce ... [13:02] knome: lol - I thought I would let you know :) [13:02] yep, good good [13:03] http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final [13:03] started preparing that stuff as well.. [13:04] bookmarked - I'll start fiddling with that too [13:04] known issues in notes are taken from -t-bugs [13:04] yep [13:04] things marked with ??? are probably either going away or we don't know much about them yet [13:05] the text body is from the beta 1 announcement [13:05] yep [13:17] ochosi: lightdm-set-defaults doesn't work in tahr, not got time atm to work out how to change the greeter to unity - I'll try and get on it later [13:17] elfy: just edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf [13:18] and replace "lightdm-gtk-greeter" with "unity-greeter" [13:19] I thought that too ochosi - except that file no longer exists ... [13:19] woot [13:19] sorry, wasn't aware of that [13:22] ochosi: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf I hope :D [13:23] hm, not sure [13:23] sry, gotta run [13:23] bbl [13:25] ochosi brainwash - well it appears to now use unity-greeter - same issue when suspending with lid close [13:26] -_- [13:26] killall xfce4-power-manager [13:26] and try again [13:26] suspend from menu - works ok [13:27] and the brightness was dimmed again [13:28] suspend with lid close and killall xfce-power-manager [13:28] NO black screen [13:28] did it lock the screen? [13:28] I needed password yes [13:29] did it actually suspend? [13:29] dbl checking [13:29] :D [13:29] most likely yes [13:29] yea - definitely suspended :) [13:29] so it's xfce4-power-manager causing the trouble [13:30] ok - so ctrl+alt+f7 and I get the big screen locked message [13:30] and a very very short show of that when I unlock [13:31] oh, so the session is unlocked for a brief moment [13:31] after password entry [13:32] just saw the big lock message fleetingly [13:32] ah ok [13:32] yep [13:32] we can ignore this [13:32] yep [13:33] still have the brightness issue though [13:33] even without the power-manager running in the background? [13:33] yep [13:34] I really wouldn't make stuff up ;) [13:34] is the greeter screen also dimmed? [13:34] not sure - checking [13:35] yes [13:35] trying something [13:38] did you already update your system today? [13:39] no [13:39] well not the one in question [13:40] we need xfpm without the syncing of the lock settings for this test case [13:40] so don't upgrade it? [13:41] 1) enable lock on suspend in power-manager and disable it in light-locker 2) vice versa [13:41] yes, don't upgrade yet [13:41] and run the usual suspend routine for 1) and then for 2) [13:44] ok [13:44] 1 - black screen [13:44] 2 - comes straight back with no password [13:47] thanks for doing so many test runs :) [13:48] does this mean suspend will soon work? :) [13:48] brainwash: that's ok - I'm sat here doing other things on this machine [13:48] RFleming: suspend is not broken [13:48] if necessary workround is suspend from menu and shut the lid :) [13:49] brainwash, on my home laptop it doesn't function. [13:49] RFleming: from the menu? [13:49] either hitting suspend from menu or closing the lid, my machine starts the suspend function and doesn't complete. [13:49] locks up the interface where I cannot click, and the only way to get out of it is to go to tty and restart lightdm [13:50] all the while the suspend light happily flashes :) [13:50] sounds like a different issue [13:51] tomorrow I'll try and bring it in. [13:51] we were talking about the black screen problem after resuming from suspend (via lid close) + unlocking [13:51] so suspend works in this case [13:52] but the power-manager seems to trigger a black screen [13:54] brainwash: we done with testing for the moment? [13:54] elfy: yes [13:55] k [14:56] so the updates don't fix the disappearing wallpaper yet then ... [16:09] elfy: soon [16:11] elfy: this question just came to my mind: do you mean the session logout dialog or the power manager tray icon menu when you mention "suspend via menu"? [16:30] the one from whiskermenu [16:50] brainwash: sry, i couldn't follow all the testing now, does it point towards xfpm being the culprit? [16:50] ochosi: yea [16:51] elfy: so without xfpm everything works just fine? [16:51] without xpfm I resume straight to the desktop [16:51] but with password/lock-dialog, right? [16:51] yea [16:52] ok, we need to re-assign that bugreport then... [16:53] yep - I went to count sheep shortly after we finished - just woken up [16:56] Logan_: we encountered a nasty packaging problem in parole by the way, the plugins don't get installed correctly. we haven't been able to figure this out for quite a while, would you mind looking at it? (it only affects ubuntu, in debian, everything is fine) [16:58] elfy: straight to the desktop with password-dialog? [16:58] Logan_: our upstream bugreport (bluesabre and me are the parole devs) explains it a bit: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9904 [16:58] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9904 in General "Notification icon plugin not working" [Normal,Needinfo] [16:59] brainwash: [14:44] 2 - comes straight back with no password [16:59] yea, so I'm confused [17:00] please suspend via xfpm's tray menu [17:00] ochosi: I'll take a look later if I get the chance [17:01] Logan_: thanks, that'll be much appreciated. this problem has been plagueing us for ages... [17:01] brainwash: it'll have to wait till tomorrow now - the laptop isn't in the house now [17:01] oh wait... we disabled xfpm's tray icon [17:01] :> [17:02] brainwash, elfy: a little birdy whispered something into my ear: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10535 [17:02] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10535 in General "power manager does not restore screen power" [Normal,New] [17:02] I suspended from the only other default option I had [17:02] i gotta run again (dinner), but please update the bugreport and link the upstream one if you get a chance [17:03] ochosi: did that [17:04] and marked as a dupe [17:04] ty, bbl [17:06] elfy: but didn't everything work fine with xfpm running in the background after unchecking all the "lock on suspend2 checkboxes? [17:08] brainwash: the only way to get it to work fine is suspend from a menu or kill xpfm [17:08] biab [17:10] elfy: "2 - comes straight back with no password" [17:14] brainwash, i can't test right now, but as i've disabled the xfpm to start automatically, and i assume its not working (again cant check) the login screen from lightlocker sent me directly to the desktop [17:14] that was the 4 times i waked the computer yesterday [17:15] ochosi: can you give me a testcase? [17:21] GridCube: thanks for confirming [17:23] brainwash, it did asked my password, (and once the lightlocker password box was there but the screen brightness was 0% so i was basically black) [17:23] but after typing the password the desktop was normal [17:24] i just wish i could stop it from suspending :( [17:32] I updating/upgrading and lost the wifi in the middle of upgrading libreoffice and i was down for about 20 minutes. could not get back on and then i went into the rceovery mode to see if i could there and now back on again [17:36] I only stated this because this is the second time this has happened to me, but i blame the connection loss this time last time it was numerous things that went wrong all at once. [17:59] Logan_: well simply put: the version of parole that we ship in xubuntu has non-functional plugins, because they end up in the wrong place [17:59] Logan_: if you install the package from debian in ubuntu, it just works [18:42] elfy: quick question on all the complicated testing (you should've written down all the scenarios and the results btw, as a notice for next time ;)) [18:43] * elfy was the guinea pig ... [18:43] did things work out fine when you unchecked lock-on-suspend *only* in xfpm but left it checked in xfce4-session [18:43] no hands - just feet ... [18:43] true, it's brainwash's fault [18:43] :) [18:43] blame brainwash :) [18:43] * ochosi does [18:44] I can't remember tbh [18:44] :/ [18:44] but the laptop is back now though ;) [18:44] you know, that means we might have to send you through this hell once more... [18:44] but this time take notes of every testcase with result [18:44] could do a google spreadsheet [18:44] or something alike [18:45] booting it now [18:45] little one came back earlier than expected [18:47] ochosi: unchecked lock-on-suspend *only* in xfpm but left it checked in xfce4-session - result is resumes to desktop [18:47] humm [18:47] then it might really be a problem of xflock getting called twice [18:47] could you also try the other way round? [18:48] uncheck in session and check in xfpm [18:50] that comes back - BUT cursor is invisible [18:52] just going to confirm that [18:53] bug 1297144 [18:53] bug 1297144 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Invisible cursor after resume from suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297144 [18:53] thanks brainwash [18:55] actually uncheck in session and check in xfpm - black screen [18:55] not sure how I got the other issue [18:56] uncheck in power-manager and session [18:56] confirmed that last one twice [18:57] straight to desktop [18:58] with unlock screen? [18:58] no - straight to desktop [18:59] so light-locker's lock on suspend is disabled? [18:59] no - enabled [18:59] ok [19:06] elfy: I did expect that the screen gets locked [19:08] so did I [19:08] so we know now that the black screen is only triggered if you tell xfpm to lock on suspend [19:08] I just did session on, lls on, xfpm off - straight to desktop [19:08] I expected that to need password [19:09] we can ignore the session one, because you suspend via lid close [19:09] I'm just going to work through them all and write them down for 30 minutes [19:10] might be not needed [19:11] elfy: please do that [19:11] but got all info, don't we? [19:11] brainwash: tomorrow or in ~1hr you'll have forgotten everything about these testcases again and then poor elfy has to do them once again [19:11] yeah, but we might have to explain it to others as well [19:11] best to just have it in a table [19:12] with the conditions in columns [19:12] and the testcases in rows [19:12] xfpm inhibits logind and that might be reason why light-locker is not triggered via dbus on suspend [19:12] and xfpm does some mysterious things when it calls xflock4 on suspend [19:13] which triggers the black screen [19:13] running xfpm with its lock checkbox unchecked works fine [19:14] i think it spawns xflock on the cmdline tbh [19:26] the long and short of it is - any combination that includes xfpm being enabled and a lid close gets you a black screen [19:31] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmA-9EbkJPYddDVzSk5RdHotTVpRMlc5aGFicDJ2X0E&usp=sharing [19:31] ochosi brainwash ^^ [19:32] thanks elfy [19:32] that's exactly what i was thinking of [19:33] good :) [19:33] it does seem to prove this afternoons pointing at xfpm [19:35] yeah, the code is really complex for that part [19:35] lots of places that interact with the suspend and lid-close events [19:36] how surprising ... [19:37] oh - that was all with unity-greeter by the way - but it's the same with our's [19:38] yeah, that's good to know [19:38] so lightdm-gtk-greeter is not at fault [19:38] yep [19:38] btw, one last test [19:38] if you can [19:38] yep [19:39] just an idea, what if you close the lid and then switch to e.g. VT2 and kill xfce4-power-manager [19:39] with which permutation of them all [19:39] not all of them ... that'd not be one test ;) [19:40] haha [19:40] no, just with one of those that reproduces the error [19:40] as you correctly said, all permutations seem to point to the same culprit [19:44] nope - black screen [19:45] ok [19:45] added it to the doc [19:47] unity-greeter in Xubuntu - starts that horrid aubergine colour and morphs to a nice blue :) [19:47] :) [19:48] unity-greeter still looks somewhat odd with Xubuntu [19:49] it does :) [19:49] yeah, doesn't really fit [19:49] Logan_: i take that as a compliment for lightdm-gtk-greeter btw ;) [19:49] not at all :P [19:49] lightdm-gtk-greeter looks like a relic from Windows 95 [19:50] but I'll deal [19:50] ochosi: oh - by the way - it was that /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf file btw [19:51] http://cl.ly/image/1z0R3p0o1N3S [19:51] is it supposed to look that awful? :P [19:51] Logan_: ouch, noooo! [19:51] mine doesn;t look like that at all [19:51] Logan_: i'll post a screener in a sec [19:51] elfy: thanks, will remember [19:53] ochosi: I has a screenie [19:53] sure post it [19:53] as long as it looks perrty :) [19:53] well it's not default ... [19:53] oh :) [19:53] http://imagebin.org/304670 [19:54] ah well, it's greybird [19:54] and close enough to default [19:54] and that's actually a photo ... [19:54] :p [19:54] haha [19:55] did you want another theme - do I have to go wallpaper less again ... :) [19:55] no, it's fine [19:55] this is looking good [19:55] oh good :) [19:56] Logan_: the screenie up a few lines is how it looks for me [19:56] (and everybody else) [19:56] what on earth is wrong with my setup? :P [19:57] Logan_: What's in your /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf ? [19:57] this is closer to default: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-04-08-215739.php [19:58] elfy: and also a photo ^ [19:58] awesome photo's we have ochosi :D [19:58] elfy: s/photo's/photos/ [19:58] Unit193: oh, I think I see the problem :P [19:59] brainwash: if you're around, mind to put the cursor-unhide branch of light-locker in your PPA? [19:59] can someone pastebin me their /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf ? [19:59] Logan_: just grab the file from xubuntu-default-settings [19:59] apparently I'm still using the one from when I installed Lubuntu... [20:00] http://pastebin.com/z1up8Nbf [20:00] e.g. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-default-settings --reinstall [20:00] and that from defualt [20:00] or from the bzr branch of x-d-s [20:00] Logan_: That should be a link to the one in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/ [20:00] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 55 Oct 31 21:01 /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf -> /etc/alternatives/lightdm-gtk-greeter-config-derivative [20:01] (Well, and) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 53 Oct 31 21:01 /etc/alternatives/lightdm-gtk-greeter-config-derivative -> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf [20:01] ah [20:02] that's better :) [20:03] Logan_: :) [20:04] brainwash: and secondly, could you put xfpm in your PPA (from xubuntu) but with this patch: http://dpaste.com/1774505/ [20:06] then tell elfy when it's there and he'll do them all again he suspects :( [20:10] darn, elfy is too clever... [20:10] :D [20:10] :) [20:10] ofc not, just start with one of those that fails [20:10] yea :) [20:10] and then complete all the ones that failed [20:10] the rest should still be fine [20:10] yea :0 [20:10] :) [20:11] ideally you'll get both patches, invisible cursor and blank screen [20:11] I only got that once - and then couldn't reproduce it [20:11] inviscursor [20:11] oh [20:12] then we'll have to find a different guinea pig :'( [20:17] ochosi: you will for invisicursor -unless I can reproduce it somehow [20:20] I'll suspend it till tomorrow and see if that does it [20:20] was the suspend-time somehow related to that? [20:21] "I wake up the computer after it spending some time in the suspend state, the cursor will be invisible" [20:21] hmm,right [20:21] I assume this is affecting more than the one person [20:23] is it my imagination or have more people washed up on our shores this cycle wanting to get involved? [20:28] no, i think that observation is true [20:28] although we had a few dire cycles, with few ppl showing up [20:28] so an increase was easy to achieve [20:29] Logan_: btw, was my testcase clear enough or were you expecting something else? [20:32] I'm not sure if I'd be able to fix that, tbh [20:32] why's that? [20:32] you'd need someone more experienced in packaging from scratch [20:32] right [20:32] know anyone by chance? [20:34] infinity is good with stuff [20:34] (I hope that was a good enough recommendation) [20:38] right, i'm just worried that ppl whom i don't know and who aren't associated with xubuntu in any way simply won't care enough [20:38] and ppl are busy usually [20:38] Noskcaj: hey, how's xfdesktop's release coming along? [20:39] branching the code now [20:39] oh cool [20:40] fair enough [20:40] I'll do my best [20:40] want to do a bit of reading first, though [20:40] but corsac just uploaded it to debian, so since we've still got a day to spare, i might wait till i can merge [20:40] Logan_, What's the issue? [20:40] Logan_: sure, this is such a longstanding issue there's no real rush [20:40] Noskcaj: the parole plugin packaging issue [20:40] ? [20:41] parole's plugins don't work in xubuntu [20:41] even though they do in debian [20:41] if you install the debian package in ubuntu, the plugins work [20:41] lemme compare the file lists [20:41] somehow they seem to end up in the wrong place [20:41] I'll do a debdiff [20:43] ochosi: there's literally no difference in the file lists [20:43] yeah [20:43] it's puzzling [20:43] except for a language thingamajig and the changelog [20:43] can I have an STR? :P [20:43] like, what should I do to reproduce the issue [20:44] just try to open the plugin dialog in parole in your stock xubuntu [20:44] because I've never used parole [20:44] or been on parole [20:44] it'll fail [20:44] but I digress [20:44] :) [20:44] okay it opened [20:44] then install the package from debian and it'll work [20:44] What I came up with, it's something with either dh_configure, or maybe buildflags. [20:44] well, try to activate one [20:44] plugin failed to load [20:45] Unit193: oh, you're around, would be much better if you took this [20:45] ochosi: No, Logan_ is far better than I am. :) [20:45] Logan_: yup, it doesn't find the plugin [20:45] Unit193: yeah, but you're better than me and you've looked at this before as well [20:45] stop flattering me, Unit [20:45] Unit193: i meant: if you take *my* part, not his ;) [20:46] which is cheering me on? [20:46] Tried different stripping too. [20:46] kinky [20:46] :D [20:46] you packagers are weird ppl! :D [20:47] * elfy shuts his eyes are wanders off [20:47] let me do some experimentation [20:48] * elfy shuts his eyes and wanders off again [20:49] okay, that one wasn't on purpose, I swear! :P [20:50] Mhmm... [20:50] :) [20:51] I even started doing a diff of the build logs, but as one was 32bit and the other was 64, I got busy with other things and never looked. [20:52] un momento [20:53] I have an unstable and a trusty chroot, so I'll build the same package in both [20:53] and I'll compare the logs [21:04] thanks for the effort Logan_ [21:04] bbiab [21:12] ochosi: I'm in over my head, haha [21:14] Yey! Not just me. :) [21:14] * elfy too - so much I've no idea what you're talking about ;) [21:28] Logan_, Did you end up getting a build log diff? [21:28] it wasn't awfully helpful [21:29] one moment [21:30] Well, one bad way to check it, use a hook to grab the debhelper from Debian. :P [21:31] it would be in one of the helpers [21:32] like dh-shlibs or whatever [21:32] no, not that [21:37] Logan_: Did you export verbose when you built? [21:38] that would probably be helpful [21:38] Trying something, in a min. [21:42] Noskcaj, ochosi, Unit193: http://www.diffchecker.com/q7xn77oq [21:42] same package (from Debian), Trusty on the left, Experimental on the right [22:18] ochosi: updated the ppa [22:19] ochosi: your system is not affected by this problem at all? [22:27] brainwash: thanks [22:28] well it is, but only by the lid-close bug [22:28] and i didn't notice for a long time because it seemingly doesn't affect multihead-setups [22:28] really specific, that bug. [22:29] oh, hopefully we'll get it fixed in time [22:29] yup would be good [22:30] the invisible cursor one i've never encountered [22:30] so the patch is guesswork [22:31] or a workaround [22:36] brainwash: something is odd with that version you put up [22:36] nothing much happens on the lid event anymore [22:39] hmpf [22:39] Are you talking about the black screen after login after a standby session? [22:39] ochosi: kill it and restart it from terminal "xfce4-power-manager --debug" [22:40] Justanick: yes [22:40] brainwash: it's odd, it still locks on lid close if i set it to do that, but suspend doesn't work anymore. maybe missed a compile flag? [22:40] Also affect. If you need any information. [22:45] ochosi: that's strange [22:45] it's just a rebuild + patch [22:46] brainwash: i understand, not sure what to say [22:46] does it work for you? [22:46] to some extent, this version also "fixes" the bug :p [22:46] my desktop pc lacks a lid to close :) [22:47] * Unit193 trying something else. [22:47] ochosi: does the official ubuntu version work properly? [22:47] yup [22:47] Unit193: still? that was a loooong minute [22:48] ochosi: Heeey, I was doing other stuff too. :P [22:48] Unit193: suuuuure :) [22:49] Reviewing logs, fixing VM to test it, watch an episode of something, etc, etc. :P [22:51] Also, I should stop bundleing "fixes" together. [22:51] -e [22:54] ochosi: I can redo it and then re-upload [22:55] brainwash: thanks, that'd be nice [22:55] can you install the official one to verify that it works? [22:57] well that's what i had before i used your version and that worked [22:57] i mean suspend on lid-close [23:04] Crap, what fixed it? [23:07] what fixed what? [23:11] parole. [23:15] Unit193: oh, so you performed a lot of changes in the packaging and now it just works? :p [23:15] ochosi: the diff looks interesting [23:15] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/172285540/xfce4-power-manager_1.2.0-3ubuntu4test1_1.2.0-3ubuntu4test2.diff.gz [23:15] basically building the same thing [23:16] * ochosi shrugs [23:16] ochosi: ...Only a few. :P [23:16] does it suspend if you kill xfpm? [23:17] I'll have a package for you in a sec, got to get pizza and coffee. [23:17] sry guys, gotta hit the sack now, have a big day tomorrow [23:18] good night [23:18] But, but, but. :( [23:18] Unit193: but you need your coffee and pizza and i need my sleep... [23:19] Night [23:29] Logan_, ochosi: https://unit193.net/parole_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb <--- Try that. [23:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1286046 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1168810 are both considered to be https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9904 [23:38] Launchpad bug 1286046 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole crashed with SIGSEGV in notify_provider_finalize()" [Medium,Triaged] [23:38] Launchpad bug 1168810 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole does not show tray icon on notification area" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:38] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9904 in General "Notification icon plugin not working" [Normal,Needinfo]