[00:03] <xubuntu068> I've tried a few suggestions given in the ubuntu manuals: deleting the quiet splash command, adding nomodeset, vga=771, xforcevesa and a few others but all that happens that shortly after leaving the boot menu, the screen goes white. The CD continues to run actively for several minutes but nothing changes.
[00:04] <xubuntu068> Any suggestions?
[00:07] <xubuntu068> Oops, forgot to describe the computer. Its a Toshiba Satellite 5000 with Pentium III, 512 MG RAM, 37.5 GB Hard-drive (presently with windows XP, about 26 MB of free space. It has a NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go graphics card.
[00:37] <Rainwave> Hey guys, the Software Updater in Xubuntu 13.10 is constantly popping up every login and I can't turn it off.  I'm finding it highly annoying.  How can I turn it off?
[00:38] <Rainwave> I've already set it to update every week and automatically install and I tried turning it off using Sessions and Startup but it persists.
[00:44] <RFleming> Greetings!
[01:26] <randomnomad> im trying to get audio to passthrough my hdmi connection
[01:26] <randomnomad> is there any one that could help me set this up
[02:25] <xubuntu340> lo?
[02:26] <cfhowlett> DesuTM greetings.  ask your questions
[02:27] <Desu_TM> brb crash report :(
[02:27] <Desu_TM> "The system log from your installation contains an error."
[02:27] <Desu_TM> is this a corrupt iso?
[02:28] <holstein> !md5 > Desu_TM
[02:28] <Desu_TM> ty for that :)
[02:29] <holstein> an error in the system log could be anything, though
[02:29] <Desu_TM> well last time I had, I googled it and it turned out to be a grub error, but i dont know about this time is all
[02:30] <holstein> could be just a message
[02:30] <Desu_TM> fair enough
[02:30] <holstein> Desu_TM: what is the message?
[02:30] <Desu_TM> hang on
[02:30] <Desu_TM> ill see if i can get it
[02:31] <Desu_TM> The system log from your installation contains an error.  The specific error commonly occurs when there is an issue with the disk to which you are trying to install Ubuntu.  It is recommended that you back up important data on your disk and investigate the situation.  Measures you might take include cehcking cable connections for your disks and using software tools to investigate the health of your hardware.
[02:31] <holstein> Desu_TM: thats what i was thinking.. a potential bad hard drive
[02:32] <Desu_TM> i was dual booting with win 7 ultimate and it started blue screening all the time
[02:32] <Desu_TM> so i figured id try zubuntu
[02:32] <Desu_TM> same again :(
[02:32] <Desu_TM> it's not an old laptop
[02:33] <Desu_TM> I*xubuntu
[02:33] <cfhowlett> Desu_TM bsod with different OS's is a pretty definitive sign of hardware failure
[02:33] <holstein> Desu_TM: blue screens can be due to failing hard drives
[02:34] <Desu_TM> damn :/
[02:34] <holstein> Desu_TM: i would just fire up a  hard drive test, and see
[02:34] <Desu_TM> might need a new hard drive then?
[02:34] <holstein> Desu_TM: drives are cheap, and you data should be backed up, regardless
[02:34] <Desu_TM> well with me wiping my drive and dual booting up again to clean it out, i didnt have anything of value anyway
[02:35] <Desu_TM> thank you for your help though :)
[02:35] <Desu_TM> I was thinking maybe a video card or something
[02:36] <holstein> Desu_TM: it literally could be anything.. start at the beginning and test
[02:36] <Desu_TM> cool. cheers dude.
[02:36] <Desu_TM> ill get on it. laters
[02:36] <holstein> Desu_TM: there are memory tests, and hard drive tests easily accessilbe from live CD's
[02:37] <Desu_TM> sweet. I'll make sure I do them all. cheers guys
[02:37] <holstein> Desu_TM: good luck!
[02:37] <Desu_TM> haha thanks
[08:17] <ZatsuneNoMokou> anybody here?
[08:28] <bazhang> yep
[08:31] <MagRel> Hi, Can you help me with samba?
[08:32] <elfy> !ask
[08:34] <MagRel> I try lots of tips, how to do it. At last, I try this: http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-and-configure-samba-share-in-ubuntu/
[08:34] <MagRel> And finally it looks like work. But my problems start in step 6.
[08:36] <MagRel> I click on samba in menu, and see only symbol for waiting.
[08:40] <MagRel> Anyone can help me?
[08:41] <bekks> MagRel: We dont know without a specifix support question.
[08:45] <MagRel> bekks> Ok, I try to run samba in console, and make printscreen.
[08:47] <bekks> MagRel: Thats not a question until now.
[08:48] <MagRel> This I can see after try to start samba in console. http://postimg.org/image/kviaxw007/
[08:50] <bekks> MagRel: Thats not how you start samba.
[08:50] <bekks> !samba | MagRel
[08:52] <MagRel> Thx, but i dont use windows, I have 2 PC with xubuntu.
[08:54] <MagRel> 3 years back, its work for me on ubuntu.
[08:56] <bekks> MagRel: Then pleasae read the links given on how to setup and use samba on linux.
[08:56] <bekks> MagRel: the second link is essential.
[09:01] <MagRel> Ok, I read this and try it. But I try way from http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/samba and ubuntu forum, and I've used a lot of google. It is not that I would not seek a right to ask. Looking for a solution for several days.
[09:01] <donc3> I have a memmory usb 3.0 that is only recognized in the usb 2.0 port
[09:01] <donc3> this is the output of dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217477/
[09:01] <donc3> can anyone help me?
[09:12] <MagRel> I read that article, but it is not I need.
[09:16] <bekks> MagRel: It actually is needed since it tells you how to setup and configure samba.
[09:22] <MagRel> I read it, I suppose, that in the first text (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently) I suppose I do like I did not have xubuntu, but win. Problem Is it possible that I'm upset system to its prior practice. Is there any other way to share files between two Linux systems? Security is very important this time, it is a one-off transfer between two computers on which I am the only user.
[09:23] <MagRel> Sorry for the mistake, I meant to say that for my security is not important.
[09:31] <knome> MagRel, what's your native language?
[09:39] <MagRel> knome> My native language is Czech. For a long time I did not speak English. But the technical documentation I can read with understanding. I used google translate so I can respond quicker. But now I guess it was not the best idea.
[09:39] <knome> !cz | MagRel
[11:33] <Dmitriy_> Hello. Can anybody help with problem on x14.04. On login screen after few seconds system will stop react on any keys or mouse
[11:33] <Dmitriy_> Sorry for bad english
[12:19] <CyborgCygnus> How do you use a terminal to clear cache, tmp files ect in xubuntu? Does it even do that, is there something for it in the system settings?
[12:55] <xubuntu900> hi
[12:59] <baizon> hi h
[12:59] <baizon> hi hi
[13:01] <HusTler> hi
[13:01] <HusTler> Installed xubuntu last night and really diggin it!
[13:17] <xubuntu369> sudo afk-all install
[13:17] <xubuntu369> sudo hallp
[13:18] <knome> xubuntu369, do you have a support issue?
[13:22] <it_robin> hi people
[13:24] <it_robin> i have a support question anyone available?
[13:24] <knome> just ask and people will answer if they know the answer
[13:25] <it_robin> i have a atom pc with 2gb RAM and graphic install is failing. is there a command at boot menu to start text mode?
[13:26] <it_robin> probably trivial but couldn't find it
[13:26] <RFleming> Morning
[13:27] <it_robin> good afternoon from here
[13:28] <RFleming> the wonders of the web!
[13:29] <RFleming> hows xubuntu doing today knome?  Happy so far?
[13:29] <it_robin> well i do have a Q
[13:29] <it_robin> how can i install xubuntu in text mode
[13:29] <RFleming> ask and ye shall receive, eventually
[13:29] <knome> RFleming, trying to recover from sickness.
[13:29] <it_robin> i have a Atom pc with 2 gb ram
[13:29] <RFleming> Umm, you don't :)
[13:30] <it_robin> graphics are failing :D
[13:30] <RFleming> I'm assuming as in text mode, you mean no xfce :)
[13:30] <RFleming> it_robin, install ubuntu server
[13:30] <knome> !minimal
[13:30] <knome> it_robin, you can use that and then select xubuntu-desktop on the task selection
[13:30] <it_robin> hmm ok perhaps i could install xfce afterwards
[13:30] <knome> though if you're having trouble installing, you might have trouble running..
[13:30] <it_robin> true true
[13:31] <it_robin> the old install is a ubuntu 9.04
[13:32] <it_robin> well gonna try the minimal install and see where i ends
[13:32] <it_robin> i could always do lubuntu right?
[13:34] <RFleming> knome, hope you get to feeling better
[13:35] <RFleming> it_robin, if you say you're having graphical issues, and you just want a command line interface, then I would use ubuntu server.  It's made for cli, and LTS lasts 5 years, not 3
[13:35] <RFleming> you could always install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop on top later.
[13:35] <RFleming> it'll also be rock solid
[13:35] <RFleming> (unless you have hardware problems)
[13:35] <it_robin> thats true
[13:36] <it_robin> i have several ubuntu server running here so let's do that
[13:37] <it_robin> anyway thanks people i now have some leads i can follow
[13:37] <RFleming> you're very welcome.
[13:53] <delt> hello
[13:53] <delt> /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service pukes the following error: (process:3359): libindicator-WARNING **: No watchers, service timing out.
[13:53] <delt> since updating 14.04 from beta1 to current packages
[13:54] <delt> hello GridCube, maybe you can help
[13:54] <GridCube> i dont know
[13:54] <delt> trying to get /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service up and running again
[13:54] <delt> pukes this error: (process:3359): libindicator-WARNING **: No watchers, service timing out.
[13:55] <delt> a few days ago i updated to current packages and it broke a few things, now i updated again and most of those breakages are fixed.
[13:55] <delt> except this one.
[13:58] <delt> oh wait, seems like it's fixed now! just had to logout and log back in after uninstalling and reinstalling the indicator-sound-gtk2 package :D
[13:58] <RFleming> the best kind of problem.  one that fixes itself. :)
[13:59] <delt> haha yep
[14:00] <kabamaru> hi
[14:01] <kabamaru> i setup
[14:01] <kabamaru> the xubuntu 13
[14:01] <kabamaru> but i have a problem
[14:02] <kabamaru> the firefox dont have a flash player
[14:08] <baizon> kabamaru: yes, you can install flash?
[14:08] <baizon> kabamaru: http://askubuntu.com/questions/341428/how-to-install-flash-player-on-ubuntu
[14:14] <GridCube> kabamaru, do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:49] <lovetruth> hello
[14:49] <lovetruth> after I installed fglrx driver and few network changes my PC starts in about 2 minutes
[14:49] <lovetruth> and before it did in few seconds!...
[14:49] <lovetruth> more exactly, now in 2:20 minutes!...
[14:49] <lovetruth> what can I do to fix this???...
[14:53] <koegs> lovetruth: you can use bootchart to check whats taking so long
[14:53] <lovetruth> that is some application or?
[14:54] <koegs> yes, install bootchart "sudo apt-get install bootchart", now pngs will be put to /var/log/bootchart
[15:01] <lovetruth> koegs: here is dmesg output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7221933/
[15:01] <lovetruth> see that large gap?...
[15:05] <lovetruth> koegs: it seems to be fglrx
[15:05] <lovetruth> what can I do?...
[15:26] <lovetruth> c'mon...
[15:26] <holstein> lovetruth: do you have a support question?
[15:26] <lovetruth> yes
[15:27] <lovetruth> I've got 2, actually... :)
[15:27] <holstein> lovetruth: you can revert to the other driver which seems to provide a boot time you prefer
[15:27] <lovetruth> yes... but I need the full functionality of my Radeon HD Graphic Card...
[15:28] <holstein> lovetruth: ok. then, you understand the compromise that is made
[15:28] <lovetruth> I guess that ... :)
[15:28] <lovetruth> another question:
[15:28] <holstein> lovetruth: you were not guaranteed linux support with that device, so, this is one of the compromises you may have to make to provide yourself linux support
[15:29] <lovetruth> ah... do I have guaranteed linux support on some graphic card?...
[15:29] <holstein> lovetruth: you ask the vendor.. system76 for example provides linux support
[15:30] <holstein> intel also usually provides linux support, at least for most devices
[15:30] <RFleming> lovetruth, yes, those that are supported by the manufacturer with their drivers.  AMD/ATI will support cards for so long before they're written out of the drivers.  Drivers only work with certain kernel versions before the manufacturer decides to stop writing for older kernels, so it's quite possible to upgrade your OS and no longer have a supported graphics card for your driver.
[15:31] <holstein> AMD or nnvidia can choose not to support linux with a proprietary driver, since they didnt promise to do so
[15:31] <holstein> lovetruth: there are ppa's that steam recomends users add to get the latest drivers
[15:32] <lovetruth> thank you :)
[15:33] <lovetruth> also... is it possible to change the order of NICs in Xubuntu?...
[15:33] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa is that PPA, though, ppa's are not officially supported
[15:33] <holstein> lovetruth: yes
[15:33] <lovetruth> how?...
[15:33] <holstein> http://www.banym.de/linux/centos/change-network-device-name-from-eth1-back-to-eth0
[15:34] <RFleming> ?
[15:34] <holstein> http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/change-the-network-card-name-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[15:34] <lovetruth> ok... but I have some virtual NIC I want to be first :)
[15:34] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2185051
[15:34] <lovetruth> like , I creaded one using ip link
[15:34] <holstein> lovetruth: put them where you like
[15:35] <lovetruth> ip li add link eth0 cad0 address 00:xx:...
[15:35] <holstein> the names and reference to the names are relevant
[15:35] <lovetruth> but I can't see this interface in 70-permanent
[15:35] <lovetruth> and don't know how can I add it , if that is even possible
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: its all open, so, theoretically, if you care to research *anything* is possible
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: i would suggest going to the main #ubuntu channel, since that is not specific to xubuntu or xfce, and you may have a larger base of volunteers to help you
[15:36] <lovetruth> yes... but how :) I am searching for this for 2 days...
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: you can also truy the server channels
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: you really shouldnt need to change those, but the links i gave describe how to change names
[15:37] <lovetruth> I actually have a wine app
[15:37] <lovetruth> that requires certain MAC
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: there may be a larger question that is, why are you trying to change them? and is there a better way to deal with it?
[15:37] <lovetruth> and I managed to get the app under wine working
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: wine is *always* a compromise
[15:38] <lovetruth> but I didn't manage to fix the MAC. I did change the real NIC's MAC, and it worked
[15:38] <holstein> lovetruth: you should be able to refer to whatever nic you like there, rather than changing the core of the OS to conform to an application that is not intended to run on it
[15:38] <lovetruth> but I cannot have the real NIC's MAC changed for some local reasons...
[15:38] <holstein> lovetruth: the MAC is not broken, so, you wont need to fix kit
[15:38] <lovetruth> the app does require certain MAC
[15:39] <lovetruth> (old licence issue, it's on some old PC's MAC)
[15:39] <holstein> lovetruth: i would either try a networking/linux channel, or try a native application
[15:39] <lovetruth> it's ProE 3.0
[15:39] <lovetruth> didn't find native app for that
[15:40] <lovetruth> so MAC change of virtual NIC seemed the best
[15:40] <lovetruth> :)
[15:40] <RFleming> lovetruth, in /etc/network/interfaces you can override the MAC address via the hwaddress scope
[15:40] <RFleming> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[15:40] <RFleming> hwaddress ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
[15:40] <lovetruth> RFleming: did change the MAC, using if eth0 hw ether xx:yy...
[15:41] <lovetruth> but I can't have the real NIC's MAC changed
[15:41] <lovetruth> so I need some virtual NIC with that MAC
[15:41] <lovetruth> got that, but it's not seen as the first in wine
[15:41] <lovetruth> and Wine says that the Wine software sees the Linux's NIC order
[15:41] <lovetruth> order of NICs*
[15:41] <RFleming> lovetruth, then create a virtual nic
[15:42] <lovetruth> I created a virtual NIC using ip li add link eth0 cad0 address xx:yy:...
[15:42] <lovetruth> the cad0 interface is up and even has some ips
[15:43] <lovetruth> but wine looks first at eth0
[15:43] <lovetruth> and says that MAC is not right for it...
[15:43] <RFleming> which is correct.
[15:43] <lovetruth> and wine says that it looks up the Linux's order of NICS. Whichever is first in Linux, is first in MAC...
[15:43] <RFleming> your app needs to be told which nic to bind to
[15:43] <lovetruth> yes
[15:43] <lovetruth> how?...
[15:44] <holstein> lovetruth: in the application
[15:44] <holstein> lovetruth: what are you trying to do? can you just replace that funtionality with a native application? wine will *always* be a compromise
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: if the windows application, that is not intended to run on linux, doesent allow you to bind in linux, then, i sugggest looking for a linux application
[15:45] <lovetruth> didn't find ProE for linux
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: what are you trying to do?
[15:45] <lovetruth> run that. ProE :)
[15:45] <RFleming> that's a question for the WINE people
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: what functionatliy? friend
[15:46] <lovetruth> it's a CAD software
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: the fact is.. nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing ProE from running on linux
[15:46] <lovetruth> you design stuff with it
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: but, the ProE creators are preventing that.. so, it will *always* be a compromise
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: you shouldnt need networking access to "design stuff" with it
[15:46] <lovetruth> I know :)
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: you should look for native replacements. or, run windows in virtualbox.. or, dualboot
[15:47] <lovetruth> but that was the way they designed their licence back then
[15:47] <lovetruth> by MAC
[15:47] <lovetruth> under windows I was able to create a virtual NIC using VirtualBox
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: their licensing is irrelevant here
[15:47] <lovetruth> and change MAC on that and it worked
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing that from happening.. ProE is pvrenting this from happening
[15:48] <lovetruth> but on linux the vboxnet0 adapter that virtualbox created doesn't start unless I start VirtualBox itself...
[15:48] <holstein> lovetruth: you need to ideally get a "fix" from them
[15:48] <lovetruth> asked the ProE and they told me to use Windows :) ...
[15:48] <holstein> lovetruth: correct
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: thats what you will need to do, if this applications top notch performance is a number one priority, you will do what they say
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: we are not preventing it from working in linux.. .and, cant facilitate it any more than providing, and suggesting wine
[15:49] <poopuser> Hi. For some reason Xorg chooses wrong resolution rendering display blank. Currently writing from 1st tty. How can I force xorg to reconsider the settings? xrandr --auto brags about wrong display.
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: you will do best going to wine for support, and/or deciding between virtuabox *or* wine
[15:50] <holstein> lovetruth: you reference both above, and you dont need wine to run windows in virtualbox.. it could be that simple
[15:50] <holstein> lovetruth: you can tell virtualbox to be on your lan, not on NAT behind your host's NIC
[15:51] <holstein> poopuser: i'll use a custom xorg.conf if arandr doesnt work.. assuming the devices can display what im trying to send them
[15:52] <poopuser> holstein: it's the only device available so I won't get on the browser for info about how to do so. Need a quick fix, a workaround even most dirty.
[15:52] <holstein> poopuser: you can use a live CD to get to a browser
[15:53] <poopuser> holstein: maybe I could set 'DISPLAY=' argument and then run xrandr but I am not good at those.
[15:53] <lovetruth> poopuser: I've been using xrandr
[15:53] <lovetruth> just need to find out right display
[15:53] <lovetruth> it can be HDMI-0 or 1 or 2 or whatever you're using
[15:54] <lovetruth> xrandr -q ?
[15:55] <holstein> poopuser: there is a graphics repair in the recovery kernel
[15:55] <lovetruth> xrandr --output CHOSENDISPLAY --auto
[15:55] <lovetruth> try several?... like DVI-0 and so?...
[16:04] <Guest34755> wanted to translate xfce package that is at xubuntu then update xfce upsteams. It makes it easier to see how it looks like before committing it. Is there any way to do it?
[16:04] <delt> just wondering, how do i get the normal bootup messages instead of the screen with 4 flashing dots =)
[16:13] <Ribeirsg> algum tuga presente?
[16:14] <cfhowlett> !es|Ribeirsg
[16:14] <Pici> !br
[16:14] <cfhowlett> doh!
[16:28] <RFleming> delt, http://askubuntu.com/questions/248/how-can-i-show-or-hide-boot-messages-when-ubuntu-starts
[16:34] <RFleming> slow day
[16:39] <xubuntu265> is there any reason why i shouldn't be able to get the fixed openssl version from the standard repositories in the 14.04 beta?
[16:39] <xubuntu265> last i find is the 1.0.1f
[16:40] <holstein> xubuntu265: its not out yet, so, maybe its not updated.. did you ask in #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:42] <xubuntu265> no, I haven't. is that the beta channel?
[16:42] <holstein> !14.04
[16:42] <elfy> try updating - I got that this morning
[16:42] <elfy> xubuntu265: ^^
[16:43] <holstein> yeah... you can try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if you get newer updates.. or, with the package/update manager of your choice
[16:43] <xubuntu265> yeah i tried that, didnt help much
[16:43] <xubuntu265> thanks though, ill try the beta channel
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu265: you tried what? updating your package cache? and upgrading packages? are you getting 404's on the repos?
[16:44] <xubuntu265> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:44] <xubuntu265> that
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu265: no errors from "sudo apt-get update" ?
[16:45] <xubuntu265> none
[16:45] <holstein> xubuntu265: updates should be there for newer packages as they come in..
[16:45] <RFleming> elfy, we're not going to see a minor version number increase for the application of a patch, are we?
[16:46] <xubuntu265> so, just wait?
[16:46] <RFleming> still going to show 1.0.1 14 March 2012?
[16:46] <holstein> xubuntu265: thats what i would do... just keep checking for the updates, and check in #ubuntu+1
[16:47] <xubuntu530> hi all I'm trying to install xubtunu beta 2 final with liveusb and after the screen to chosose  install xubuntu my computer always reboot anyone know what can be ?
[16:47] <elfy> holstein: they are in +1 - I'm waiting for a repsonse
[16:48] <holstein> elfy: cheers...
[16:49]  * RFleming is referring to OpenSSL patch
[16:49] <elfy> so are we all RFleming :)
[16:49] <RFleming> no, I meant my question
[16:49] <RFleming> the version number isn't changing
[16:49] <RFleming> I had the patch, but still shows 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012
[16:50] <RFleming> s/had/installed
[16:50] <elfy> oic no idea what numbering
[16:51] <RFleming> wrong box... mine shows 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014
[16:51] <RFleming> which is still not Apr :)
[17:01] <RFleming> elfy, found the answer
[17:01] <RFleming> run     openssl version -a     and check the built on date
[17:01] <skribblezatcha> hi there RFleming.
[17:01] <RFleming> hey skribblezatcha
[17:02] <skribblezatcha> brb, i am going to go and make a cup of coffee.
[17:52] <Seppe> Best,
[17:55] <Seppe> best i have a macbook 3.1 and installed xubuntu 13.10 as my main, as i was at home it was working fine untill i try to use my wifi somewhere else. some places it connect. some places i give my wifi pass and it tries to connect but does not. somebody who ca help me?
[17:57] <holstein> Seppe: not really. you can try different drivers, assuming one is available.. but, i typically see that as well, and find it to be on the server side.. a configuration of the wifi access point.. older, mis-configured or out of date firmware, or other problems
[17:57] <Seppe> where to begin :p?
[17:58] <Seppe> i'm quite new to the xubuuntu so..
[17:58] <holstein> Seppe: i recently changed the time to live settings for the DHCP server on the wifi access point at a coffee shop i frequent, and so far, the performance has improved
[17:58] <holstein> Seppe: *you* are potentially not having *any* problem
[17:59] <Seppe> but it's at more than oneplace i'm getting this problem
[17:59] <holstein> Seppe: so, you begin by determining where the issue is.. is it you? or the wifi at the place you are visiting.. if you find its not you, then you either try and address the place, and see if they will "fix" the issue
[17:59] <holstein> Seppe: sure.. as i stated, i see this *many* places.. and, i addressed the issue at on of the businesses personally by changing the ttl on the DHCP server..
[18:00] <holstein> Seppe: but, you *are* connecting at the place where you configured your network.. and other places.. and, you cant confirm that hte network is setup properly at the places you cannot connect.. so, you cant assume its a problem on your end that you need to "fix"
[18:01] <Seppe> but when i tryto connect after giving the correct pass it just times out
[18:01] <Seppe> it is
[18:01] <Seppe> because it works on other pc's and smartphne
[18:01] <Seppe> smarthphones*
[18:01] <holstein> Seppe: ok.. i have seen that *exact* issue at *many* places...
[18:03] <holstein> Seppe: if you are asking how to fix it, i say, confirm what is broken.. and you can always try other drivers, assuming they are available.. sometimes broadcom chips have different drivers you can try
[18:04] <Seppe> that's what i'm searching for because at the 5 places i'f been 3 places it wont connect but others can. and so van i with my phone
[18:05] <Seppe> but if it's my driver it would'nt connect anywhere
[18:05] <holstein> Seppe: yes.. same here
[18:05] <Seppe> and because the others can connect i dont see the problem with thee router
[18:05] <holstein> Seppe: i have addressed that server side at the one coffee shop i have access to help, personally, and at my house
[18:06] <Seppe> problem is that they are all home routers
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> sometimes, just because you see the connection available to connect to, doesnt mean that its close enough to literally connect to.
[18:07] <ben_xyzzy> Does Xubuntu ship with anything that can display from my laptop webcam?
[18:07] <Seppe> thought of that
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> ben_xyzzy: sudo apt-get install cheese
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> Seppe: you said that you are using 13.10?
[18:08] <ben_xyzzy> Cheers
[18:08] <skribblezatcha> cheers.
[18:08] <Seppe> yep
[18:08] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, do you have inxi in repo's yet?
[18:09] <skribblezatcha> run sudo apt-get install inxi and see if inxi is in repo's Seppe.
[18:09] <GridCube> !info inxi
[18:09] <holstein> Seppe: occasionally, changing my physical proximity to the router helps.. i have only had access to a few networks, where, when i update firmware, and configure properly, *all* my machines connect
[18:09] <Seppe> sec
[18:09] <holstein> Seppe: if you have other drivers available such as a broadcom chip that happens to have other drivers, you can try them..
[18:09] <skribblezatcha> cool, thanks GridCube.
[18:11] <skribblezatcha> Seppe: let me know when inxi is installed please.
[18:12] <Seppe> sec
[18:12] <skribblezatcha> ok.
[18:12] <Seppe> jep
[18:13] <skribblezatcha> cool, now right there in your chat window, enter this command: /exec -o inxi -Nn
[18:13] <skribblezatcha> then hit enter please.
[18:14] <Seppe> he?
[18:15] <skribblezatcha> type this command as if you were typing it to me: /exec -o inxi -Nn
[18:15] <Seppe> did it
[18:16] <skribblezatcha> no you didnt.
[18:16] <Seppe> but i'm not on my problematic laptop right now , just ssaying
[18:16] <Seppe> i can't connect to the internet on that laptop
[18:16] <skribblezatcha> if you had done that, i would see the output here in the room.
[18:17] <skribblezatcha> o i see, i thought that you were on that laptop. well you would have to be on that laptop to be able to troubleshoot it. sorry.
[18:17] <Seppe> :(
[18:18] <skribblezatcha> this is what inxi does and what i was looking for Seppe.
[18:18] <skribblezatcha> i see that gdebi is having issues right now. bummer.
[18:21] <skribblezatcha> 12Network:     12Card-1:  Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller  12driver  r8169
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12IF:  eth0  12state  down  12mac  <filter>
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12Card-2:  Realtek RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller  12driver  rtl8192se
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12IF:  wlan0  12state  up  12mac  <filter>
[18:22] <skribblezatcha> see, that command using inxi shows your card info, so that we know what drivers are being used as well as the name of your wifi card.
[18:23] <Seppe> i know i have a broadom
[18:24] <skribblezatcha> ok cool Seppe. you cant get connected to internet AT ALL with the other laptop?
[18:24] <Seppe> nope
[18:24] <Seppe> not here
[18:24] <holstein> Seppe: you said you could, at home
[18:25] <skribblezatcha> ok, well when you can get connected using that laptop..come back when using it.
[18:25] <Seppe> separeted parents
[18:25] <Seppe> at the one i can the other i cant
[18:25] <Seppe> ok
[18:25] <holstein> Seppe: so, you *can* connect at a few access points, correct?
[18:25] <Seppe> correct
[18:27] <Seppe> i'll ttry to find an ethernet cable and comeback!
[18:27] <skribblezatcha> ok cool Seppe.
[18:33] <zleap> hi
[18:34] <skribblezatcha> gdebi-installer stopped working in trusty.
[18:53] <junka> skribblezatcha, for trusty go #ubuntu+1
[18:53] <skribblezatcha> i know junka, thanks.:)
[20:02] <longbonglungfish> hello all! i'm having a very strange issue with a particular college website under all the browsers i use on xubuntu 13.10. the site is as follows: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/ the issue is that, whether i'm using firefox, midori or even the internal browser of rssowl, that site will never load if javascript is enabled (but it's needed to use the site), if javascript is disabled, the site loads fine,
[20:02] <longbonglungfish>  but i can't fill out most of the forms on it. can anyone help me with this? it's extremely frustrating. i asked a friend who uses os x to test out the site on his machine, and it loads fine, with or without javascript.
[20:03] <skribblezatcha> do you happen to have javascript installed longbonglungfish?
[20:05] <longbonglungfish> what do you mean by 'installed'? i'd certainly assume so, as javascript works fine everywhere. this is the only site i've encountered that won't load if javascript is enabled.
[20:05] <skribblezatcha> also whats up with flash, would you happen to have that installed?
[20:06] <longbonglungfish> yes.
[20:06] <skribblezatcha> ok longbonglungfish do me a favor please and open the software-center and tell me when you have done that please.
[20:06] <longbonglungfish> opened
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> ok in software-center search flash, and install flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-downloader
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> once those are installed let me know please.
[20:07] <longbonglungfish> those are already installed.
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> great.
[20:08] <longbonglungfish> also, the site doesn't seem to care about flash at all. no idea what's going on here.
[20:08] <skribblezatcha> now search jre please longbonglungfish.
[20:08] <skribblezatcha> or java.
[20:09] <skribblezatcha> do you see the jre7 there longbonglungfish?
[20:09] <longbonglungfish> well, i actually do a little java coding for hobbyist purposes,  so i have jre6 and 7 installed. i don't see what that has to do with javascript and the website though.
[20:10] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, now do you happen to have the icedtea plugin installed?
[20:11] <longbonglungfish> yep.
[20:11] <skribblezatcha> ok, well then hmmm. i dont know. i just clicked on the site and all seemed well for me and i am using puppy linux at the moment.
[20:12] <skribblezatcha> brb, i am going to xubuntu real click, then toss me the link again so that i can see if it works there ok?
[20:12] <longbonglungfish> thanks! here it is: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/
[20:12] <skribblezatcha> wait, let me get to xubuntu and then resend it. one sec.
[20:12] <elfy> longbonglungfish: I just went there - I could fill in the form ok
[20:14] <elfy> not got around to installing any java at all here just flash
[20:14] <longbonglungfish> holy cow. any idea what could be going wrong?
[20:15] <elfy> none I'm afraid, this is pretty much a vanilla install
[20:15] <elfy> though 14.04
[20:15] <zleap> is it me or do java and flash cause a heck of a lot of problems
[20:15] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[20:15] <longbonglungfish> here you go again: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/
[20:15] <elfy> zleap: for some - in the 7 years I've been about - not for me
[20:15] <skribblezatcha> thanks longbonglungfish.
[20:15] <moetunes> is the issue black text on a black background or similar ?
[20:16] <zleap> elfy, maybe its just certain hardware
[20:16] <longbonglungfish> nono. it's simply that the aforementioned site will not load in any browser unless i have javascript turned off  in the browser. the problem is, javascript is needed for the site to function properly.
[20:16] <zleap> hmm
[20:17] <zleap> sounds like the webmaster really knew what he / she was doing eh
[20:17] <longbonglungfish> so all i get is the login page, but i can't complete the application process because most elements of it require javascript.
[20:17] <Artemis3> use noscript and enable only what you need?
[20:18] <longbonglungfish> then if i enable javascript, the page just loads and loads and loads and loads and never finishes. i could leave it doing that for an hour and no progress at all.
[20:18] <longbonglungfish> just a blank page and it doesn't progress.
[20:18] <skribblezatcha> longbonglungfish: someone that i know had the same issue with online banking. the site wouldnt allow for anything other than the official java to be used.
[20:19] <skribblezatcha> that could be the case with the site that you are trying to access right now. its a bummer, but places do it for some reason.
[20:19] <skribblezatcha> the dude that i know called the bank and they didnt care, and wouldnt change it to accept an opensource version of java either.
[20:20] <longbonglungfish> but it's javascript, not java. it also works perfectly on a buddy's os x machine, and all his stuff is severely outdated.
[20:20] <skribblezatcha> the site loads for me though, after a while.
[20:20] <skribblezatcha> well the page has loaded for me here, want to see a screenshot?
[20:22] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04082014_-_04_20_57_PM-HBuDdmMO.png
[20:25] <longbonglungfish> shit. this is terrible. don't know what's going on. thanks anyway guys.
[21:07] <zleap> hi jono
[21:14] <Guest28234> test
[21:23] <graffy> hi, when will 14.04 be released?
[21:24] <zleap> next thursday hopefully 17th
[21:24] <graffy> I need to reformat my server but I think I should wait
[21:24] <graffy> ok
[21:24] <graffy> great
[21:24] <zleap> graffy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[21:24] <graffy> yes I wasn't sure if there was some dealy for xubuntu
[21:25] <zleap> it should be on schedule
[21:25] <zleap> i sually wait a few days after to avoid the rush
[21:25] <graffy> excellent thanks
[21:25] <graffy> yeah, I will schedule my upgrade for the following Monday
[21:28] <zleap> np
[21:28] <zleap> i need to get the isos, downloaded scp'd on to my 2nd computer + cd / dvd burner and make some copies
[21:43] <graffy> one of my friends runs a pxe server with installers for many popular distros
[21:43] <graffy> I think that's the coolest way to try a new OS