| rick_h_ | hatch: around? | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| hatch | I am | 00:21 |
| hatch | in OSX land again though | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: quick ?, do we still need the kanban card for 'remove viewmode'? | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | we're just working aroud viewmode in the current plan right? | 00:21 |
| hatch | correct, that card will just go 'poof' | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | ok, going to poof it | 00:21 |
| hatch | poof away! | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | thanks, no more thinking about work tonight carry on :) | 00:22 |
| hatch | haha - I'm writing the blog post on how to install trusty on a macbook | 00:22 |
| hatch | it's lengthy | 00:22 |
| hatch | now that i have mine purring | 00:22 |
| hatch | jujugui anyone around to proof my blog post on installing ubuntu on a macbook? | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: can give it a read | 02:11 |
| hatch | rick_h_ thanks! http://fromanegg.com/private/82251710943/tumblr_n3si6oh1aq1rojfnp | 02:11 |
| hatch | lemme know if you can get to that link | 02:11 |
| rick_h_ | got it | 02:12 |
| hatch | great - that private post thing is a new feature so I wasn't sure how it worked | 02:13 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: looks cool | 02:19 |
| hatch | right...on | 02:19 |
| rick_h_ | my only concern is holding up over time with the number of external links for details | 02:19 |
| rick_h_ | but otherwise it'd balloon | 02:19 |
| rick_h_ | into a giant post | 02:19 |
| hatch | yeah I was thinking of bringing more information in but as it is it's pretty long | 02:19 |
| hatch | rick_h_ thanks for the read | 02:21 |
| hatch | it's alllliiivveee | 02:23 |
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| hatch | morning all | 13:49 |
| hatch | the new Dart release is going to be adding some nice perf upgrades | 13:51 |
| === hatch__ is now known as hatch | ||
| Makyo | jujugui call in 9 | 14:51 |
| hatch | thanks | 14:51 |
| bac | Makyo: i was going to taunt you with our good luck getting a plumber. called him last night around 6pm and he should up here at 7:50am. fixed the problem in a jiffy. | 14:52 |
| Makyo | Harrumph. | 14:52 |
| bac | Makyo: then when he was turning the water back on at the street, he got it 40% on and the valve handle broke off | 14:53 |
| hatch | bac but Makyo's plumber needed a backhoe | 14:53 |
| Makyo | Uh...whoops! Bit more work to do, then? | 14:53 |
| bac | so now our already low water flow is reduced and we have to wait for the public water company to come fix it. | 14:53 |
| hatch | ugh oh....what are services like there? | 14:53 |
| hatch | like, will they actually come and fix it sometime soon | 14:54 |
| bac | slow to crazy slow | 14:54 |
| hatch | ahh, not so good | 14:54 |
| bac | one suggestion was to let the account go into arrears and when they come to shut it off they'll be forced to fix the valve | 14:54 |
| hatch | rofl | 14:55 |
| bac | but, the toilet valve doesn't leak any more! :) | 14:56 |
| hatch | haha, now that's the main thing | 14:57 |
| Makyo | jujugui callin 2 | 14:58 |
| hatch | oh Makyo I wrote a blog post about installing Ubuntu on metal so if you wanted to do it on your air you could follow it :) | 15:15 |
| Makyo | Woohoo! | 15:15 |
| hatch | http://fromanegg.com/post/82251710943/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-a-mac-or-macbook | 15:15 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: did your wiring card land that's in review? | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: or did you hit an issue? | 16:27 |
| Makyo | rick_h_, oh, sorry, landed. | 16:28 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: ok cool, waiting at the gate doing kanban wheee | 16:28 |
| hatch | url generator complete | 16:45 |
| hatch | now for 5 hours of writing state objects and urls for the test | 16:45 |
| hatch | argsauce | 16:45 |
| hatch | :P | 16:45 |
| jcastro | hi guys; does anyone know the status of quickstart for osx and windows offhand? | 17:35 |
| hatch | jcastro it's not on the map before oscon | 17:40 |
| hatch | jcastro if that's not satisfactory you can email rick_h_ - he is on holidaysish until Thursday | 17:45 |
| hatch | :-) | 17:45 |
| jcastro | not time sensitive | 17:45 |
| hatch | cool | 17:46 |
| hatch | everyone should use Ubuntu anyways right? | 17:46 |
| hatch | ;) | 17:46 |
| jcastro | yeah I just want to put quickstart all over the docs | 17:46 |
| hatch | it's such an awesome tool | 17:46 |
| jcastro | but I don't want to add OS-specific comboboxes all over the nocs | 17:46 |
| hatch | yeah that's probably a good idea | 17:47 |
| hatch | does python even run on windows properly? | 17:48 |
| hatch | I thought there was a bunch of hoops to jump through | 17:48 |
| jcastro | of course man | 17:48 |
| hatch | lol ok I'll take your word on it | 17:48 |
| hatch | jcastro I put together a blog post yesterday that you might be interested in http://fromanegg.com/post/82251710943/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-a-mac-or-macbook | 17:49 |
| jcastro | what? blog? Fix the askubuntu post on that sir! | 17:49 |
| hatch | do you have a link to this askubuntu post? | 17:51 |
| jcastro | http://askubuntu.com/questions/151371/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-mac-os-x | 17:53 |
| jcastro | don't just post a link to your blog, put the content there | 17:53 |
| jcastro | hatch, C&P'ing the text is fine, I can fix up the images and stuff for you | 17:55 |
| hatch | jcastro ok I'll update that tonight - there are a few additions/changes I want to make to the blog post first to clarify a few steps then I'll do it up | 17:56 |
| hatch | jujugui lf a review on the state > url generator https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/232 | 17:59 |
| Makyo | hatch, taking a look. | 18:00 |
| hatch | thanks | 18:00 |
| hatch | Makyo pay close attention to the generated urls in the tests, just to make sure I got them correct and that I"m not missing any obvious formats | 18:00 |
| Makyo | hatch, got it, thanks. | 18:01 |
| Makyo | Also, will your instructions work for dual booting? | 18:01 |
| Makyo | Oh, whoops, ther eit is. | 18:01 |
| Makyo | I might try that out for funsies this weekend. | 18:01 |
| hatch | :-) | 18:03 |
| bac | hatch: i looked up my blog post for sharing a partition between metal and VM. the post i referenced, which had all of the good bits, is no long available, and mine doesn't give a complete picture without it. | 19:15 |
| bac | s/long/longer | 19:15 |
| bac | s/long/longer/ | 19:16 |
| bac | gah | 19:16 |
| hatch | ahhh darn! | 19:16 |
| hatch | the charmbrowser is now rendering via the state object | 19:26 |
| hatch | w000000t | 19:26 |
| hatch | bac there should also be a way to create a /home partition and share it between osx and ubuntu | 19:27 |
| hatch | .....should | 19:28 |
| hatch | heh | 19:28 |
| hatch | lunching | 19:28 |
| hatch | bbl | 19:28 |
| Makyo | Can you partition external USB drives and still have them work with Time Machine? Using an entire 1TB drive to back up my 120gb HD seems weird. | 19:33 |
| Makyo | Will fiddle later. | 19:34 |
| hatch | Makyo I'm not sure, I use my NAS and before that it was a 500GB external drive.....which it ate up in no time | 19:54 |
| hatch | I think you can set a max size in time machine.... | 19:55 |
| Makyo | Yeah. Was thinking of just setting aside 200GB for Time Machine on this drive, using the rest for other backups, since OSX isn't my main. | 19:55 |
| hatch | guess not... | 19:55 |
| Makyo | Looks like you can, though. | 19:55 |
| hatch | oh? | 19:55 |
| hatch | the partitioning you mean? | 19:55 |
| Makyo | You can back up to a partition, I mean. | 19:55 |
| Makyo | Yeah | 19:55 |
| hatch | cool | 19:55 |
| Makyo | Figured I'd get that bit started. | 19:57 |
| hatch | yeah it takes a while | 19:57 |
| hatch | especially the first time | 19:57 |
| hatch | chrome crashes all the time in Ubuntu....no idea why | 19:59 |
| hatch | like the webpages turn to that blue crashed screen | 19:59 |
| Makyo | Huh, boo. | 19:59 |
| hatch | yeah who knows, every time I do an update about 150MB of new content is available so I'm sure it's just very in flux right now | 20:00 |
| Makyo | Yeah, that's fair. Tried Chromium yet to see if there's any diff? | 20:01 |
| hatch | I haven't | 20:03 |
| hatch | I'll have to try that later on | 20:03 |
| hatch | I still haven't got it all set up so I'm still working in OSX | 20:03 |
| Makyo | Ah, alright. Yay for Vagrants. | 20:04 |
| hatch | wb kadams54 | 20:04 |
| hatch | I haven't gotten external monitors to work yet....the thunderbolt plugins don't seem to trigger in Ubuntu | 20:05 |
| hatch | will need to investigate that some more | 20:05 |
| Makyo | Don't have nay here, thankfully. | 20:05 |
| kadams54 | Thanks… been at the hotel for several hours now, but just now realized I forgot to reconnect in Textual | 20:05 |
| Makyo | I just buy new laptops. | 20:05 |
| Makyo | I'm up to three now, as of yesterday. | 20:05 |
| hatch | lol you bought another one? | 20:06 |
| Makyo | Yeah, refurb X230. 16gb RAM, Core i7, 16gb SSD. ultrabase dock, DVD burner, extra battery, extra charger, less than the stock laptop new :P | 20:09 |
| Makyo | Came with a 64gb SD card in the slot, too, which had the previous owner's tax docs on it. Wiped that right away :P | 20:09 |
| hatch | oh nice | 20:10 |
| hatch | I didn't think the x230 had dvd drives | 20:10 |
| hatch | intersting | 20:10 |
| Makyo | It's in the dock. | 20:11 |
| hatch | ohh coolio | 20:11 |
| hatch | thats one powerful machine | 20:12 |
| Makyo | Yeah. Most powerful I have now. | 20:13 |
| hatch | weird ssd...only 16GB? I'm guessing there is a HDD there too? | 20:14 |
| Makyo | The S76 is the same except for the HD, which is a 750gb HDD | 20:14 |
| Makyo | 160, sorry. | 20:14 |
| hatch | ahh cool cool | 20:14 |
| Makyo | Only thing I don't like about it is the trackpad, but I'm getting good at the trackpoint. | 20:15 |
| Makyo | Turned the pad off. | 20:15 |
| hatch | oh yeah I keep forgetting about those things | 20:18 |
| hatch | I'm tryign to decide if I should remap the ubuntu keyboard to operate like osx keys | 20:19 |
| Makyo | I don't mind either, but switching back and forth is tough. | 20:19 |
| hatch | yeah that's the problem right here :) | 20:19 |
| hatch | we should use this spinner http://codepen.io/esjay/pen/xclfz | 20:32 |
| bac | i'm glad it isn't just me: | 20:40 |
| bac | http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net | 20:40 |
| hatch | ""patch a pack from returned non-shearing remote bases"" what in the..... | 20:46 |
| hatch | yes I get that it's a joke :) | 20:48 |
| bac | someone suggested it would be funny to occassionally include a real man page and see if anyone can tell | 20:58 |
| hatch | haha probably not | 21:01 |
| bac | Makyo: i just saw your timelapse on G+. bonk! ha | 21:05 |
| Makyo | bac, haha. I was working by the tripod and uncrossed my legs right into it :) | 21:05 |
| bac | tripods can be dangerous | 21:06 |
| bac | i was shooting some long exposures in the 'dry forest' a few weeks ago and decided it would be fun to jump in and out of the frame really quickly. | 21:07 |
| bac | as i jumped out i landed on a hidden stick which went up through my show into my foot about 1/2". and the picture was dumb looking too. | 21:07 |
| bac | s/show/shoe/ | 21:07 |
| hatch | ouch | 21:09 |
| Makyo | Yiiikes | 21:09 |
| Makyo | Photography's dangerous! | 21:09 |
| Makyo | We tried that on campus when I was in college. but all we could think to do was make ghosts of ourselves: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ranna/419086360 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ranna/419086412 | 21:11 |
| hatch | haha that's cool | 21:12 |
| Makyo | Long exposure in the dark with a manual flash pointed at whoever was jumping. | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | hello from silly french land | 21:28 |
| hatch | ahoy | 21:29 |
| hatch | or should i say | 21:29 |
| hatch | bonjour | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | "speaka the english...give me phone data!" | 21:29 |
| hatch | comment est la météo ? | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: getting a x230? | 21:30 |
| Makyo | rick_h_, got yesterday, yep. Loving it so far. | 21:30 |
| Makyo | Well, once I turned off the trackpad. | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: awesome, I left the air at home | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: I thought long and hard about it, but the x230 is a programming machine, air isn't | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: <3 welcome to the club. Love the doc to do dual displays and such. | 21:31 |
| rick_h_ | so much backlog, I give | 21:31 |
| Makyo | I may have to set that up sometime, yeah! Currently the doc's running the TV when the S76 isn't. | 21:31 |
| hatch | rick_h_ you'll be happy to hear the charmbrowser 'editorial' renders via the state system now - just working on the details and search | 21:32 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: checking backlog. OSX quickstart is on the roadmap and will happen next cycle. Windows, no idea and honestly not even sure how it'd work. | 21:33 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: you da man! :) | 21:33 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: the parts starting to fit together ok then? | 21:33 |
| jcastro | rick_h_, when you say next cycle do you mean 6 month cycle or a 2 week cycle? | 21:33 |
| hatch | rick_h_ like butter - except the details/search all use the old state so I had to refactor them | 21:33 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: 6mo. From now until vegas it's all machine view all the time. | 21:34 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: it should be one of the first things we look at post-vegas | 21:34 |
| * jcastro nods | 21:34 | |
| jcastro | rick_h_, I am mulling asking the list for volunteers | 21:34 |
| hatch | jcastro that's probably not a horrible idea as long as they are good pythonistas :) frankban has a pretty specific way he wants it written :) | 21:35 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: for osx support? We're happy to mentor. It honestly shouldn't be a lot of work, but we've not tried doing Mac packaging | 21:35 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 21:35 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: he'd be a good mentor | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | like eat your vegetables and write your tests | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | 100% or die | 21:36 |
| jcastro | ok | 21:36 |
| hatch | rick_h_ hahaha so true - | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: but yea, with safari support out the door now this week osx quickstart is important to make us fully OSX happy | 21:37 |
| hatch | jcastro would it be installed via brew? is that what you're thinking? | 21:37 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: +1 | 21:37 |
| jcastro | yeah | 21:37 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: and quickstart would depend on brew's juju packages | 21:37 |
| jcastro | yup | 21:37 |
| jcastro | ah, but we'd need -deployer too huh | 21:37 |
| jcastro | are those in brew/Windows? | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so a chunk of the work is packaging, getting the binary in the right place (which python should handle) | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: no, but they're python deps | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: so they'd come along for the ride I think | 21:38 |
| * jcastro nods | 21:38 | |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: that's why it's not a TON of work, but without trying it I don't have the experience to say exactly how much | 21:38 |
| hatch | rick_h_ well that could also be done by brew | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: right, so we'd have to make sure urwid, deployer, etc are brew-ized | 21:39 |
| Makyo | hatch, jcastro Running into some things that might be a useful addition for MacBook Airs. | 21:39 |
| hatch | ahh right right | 21:39 |
| hatch | brew scripts are really just a script that can do pretty much anything | 21:39 |
| hatch | so we 'could' shoehorn whatever we wanted into there... | 21:39 |
| hatch | but brew deps would sure be awesome | 21:40 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: right, but I'm sure there's good/bad ways to do things. There's enogh python in brew I'm sure there's a standard for packaing python libs | 21:40 |
| hatch | yeah probably right | 21:40 |
| rick_h_ | and if we do it, let's be good community and do it right | 21:40 |
| hatch | Makyo oh? for the blog post? | 21:40 |
| rick_h_ | imo | 21:40 |
| Makyo | Yep | 21:40 |
| hatch | agreed | 21:40 |
| jcastro | rick_h_, ok I'll think of some ideas on how to proceed, thanks | 21:40 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: sure thing, let me know if you need anything from my end. Else we'll chat on scheduling in vegas for us to work on it | 21:40 |
| hatch | Makyo if it's lengthy email it so I have it on record | 21:41 |
| hatch | I need to add the wifi bits tonight | 21:41 |
| Makyo | One package to install, so far, but it's in trusty, so it's on the USB stick (as opposed to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir6-2/Saucy ) | 21:41 |
| Makyo | So far. | 21:41 |
| hatch | oh, my guide was for trusty not saucy | 21:42 |
| Makyo | hatch, yeah, I'm pointing out a difference between trusty and saucy. | 21:43 |
| hatch | ohhh gotcha | 21:43 |
| hatch | I didn't know about these pages | 21:43 |
| hatch | I'll have to add this link to the blog post | 21:43 |
| hatch | heh | 21:43 |
| hatch | I'm not sure how to find out what kind of macbook I have re the number parts | 21:43 |
| hatch | oh man this new state code is so ballin | 22:00 |
| hatch | Makyo hey how goes the battle? I'm interested to know the technique you're going to use :D | 22:02 |
| * hatch is such a nerd | 22:02 | |
| Makyo | hatch, installed, just grabbing wireless drivers. Will have an email for you soon. | 22:03 |
| hatch | oh I mean't the ECS stuff :) | 22:03 |
| Makyo | Oh, call real quick? Have a pseudocode impl, should pre-imp with you | 22:03 |
| hatch | sure just a sec, it's a zoo in here, grab a link I'll join in a bit | 22:04 |
| Makyo | Sure | 22:04 |
| hatch | ok ready | 22:06 |
| Makyo | hatch, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjph1s199v2mkfi9g9qsh9s?hl=en | 22:07 |
| hazmat | anyone know where gui server keeps logs at | 22:25 |
| hatch | upstart I thought | 22:26 |
| hazmat | hatch, thanks | 22:29 |
| hatch | find what you're looking for? | 22:30 |
| hazmat | hatch, i found an api change in core that causes subordinate deploys with bundles to fail | 22:33 |
| hazmat | hatch, i'm gonna need to push a rev on gui charm and deployer | 22:33 |
| hatch | ahh ok cool, well just don't forget the tests ;-) | 22:34 |
| hazmat | i'll push to a personal branch.. | 22:35 |
| hazmat | hatch, is there a make target to regenerate the pydep cache? | 22:37 |
| hatch | hmm it's been a while since I've worked with the guicharm | 22:41 |
| hatch | lemme take a peek | 22:41 |
| hazmat | oops | 22:42 |
| hatch | sysdeps | 22:42 |
| hazmat | that doesn't rebuild cache afaics | 22:42 |
| hatch | in that case I'm pretty sure the answer is no | 22:43 |
| hazmat | its done.. and apparently i missed putting it in a personal branch :-( | 22:45 |
| hatch | oh the bug fix is already done? | 22:46 |
| hazmat | yeah.. | 22:46 |
| hatch | oops | 22:49 |
| Makyo | No Huw. Going to walk the dogs, back in a bit. | 22:52 |
| hatch | sounds good, if he shows we'll wait | 22:52 |
| Makyo | Will hurry, then. | 22:52 |
| hazmat | hatch, actually.. i pushed to the old charmers branch of gui.. i'm a bit confused on the distinction now | 22:53 |
| hatch | hazmat https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk | 22:53 |
| hatch | that's the GUI one | 22:53 |
| hazmat | hatch, interesting.. cause.. https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs:juju-gui | 22:54 |
| hazmat | has my commit | 22:54 |
| hatch | yeah I have no idea, the whole 'charmers' thing just confuses me | 22:54 |
| hatch | https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/juju-gui-87/?text=juju-gui lists ricks commit | 22:54 |
| hazmat | that's the multiple sources of truth biting folks | 22:56 |
| hazmat | the store is pointing to a different branch | 22:56 |
| hatch | yeah ok I have no idea sorry, I haven't done any of the charm > store stuff in a very long time | 22:57 |
| hatch | so can we stop with the whole charmers stuff? :) | 22:57 |
| hazmat | so basically juju deploy juju-gui gets a differnet version of the gui | 22:58 |
| hazmat | hatch, this isn't really about htat | 22:58 |
| hazmat | rick_h_, you around? | 22:59 |
| hazmat | hatch, my mistake launchpad has long delay | 22:59 |
| hazmat | hatch, they are pointing to the same place.. my commit just showed up | 22:59 |
| hazmat | but to https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk | 22:59 |
| hazmat | hatch, so juju deploy juju-gui pulls from that | 23:00 |
| hazmat | ~juju-gui is something else | 23:00 |
| hazmat | the gui team dev version perhaps | 23:00 |
| hatch | ohh ok so we have our branch and then there is the charmers branch | 23:00 |
| hatch | so you should probably roll your change back then? Because ours will overwrite that one on the next release | 23:01 |
| hazmat | hatch, you have gui team branch.. and gui charmers team branch.. which is different then ~charmers | 23:01 |
| hatch | oh boy | 23:01 |
| hazmat | hatch, we can point tip/alias for a charm to any branch | 23:01 |
| hazmat | gui just has separate dev charm then prod charm i htink | 23:01 |
| hatch | ahhh ok so you pushed to the prod charm | 23:01 |
| hatch | heh | 23:01 |
| hatch | morning huwshimi | 23:01 |
| huwshimi | hatch: Morning | 23:01 |
| hazmat | argh.. now juju issues | 23:02 |
| hazmat | i'm gonna need some caffieene | 23:02 |
| hatch | haha, hazmat sorry I haven't been much help, the people who do the majority of the charm work are gone atm | 23:04 |
| hazmat | hatch, no worries | 23:04 |
| hatch | huwshimi AUS call when Makyo returns? | 23:04 |
| Makyo | I'm here. | 23:13 |
| huwshimi | hatch: Oh sure, sorry I thought there wouldn't be one with Rick away | 23:13 |
| hatch | we are on the ball! | 23:14 |
| hatch | sorry just trying to join now | 23:15 |
| hatch | ^ Makyo huwshimi | 23:15 |
| hatch | ok in | 23:15 |
| hatch | well I'm going to EOD now, I'll probably be back hacking on something later :) cya all | 23:29 |
| hatch | Makyo interesting technique you used....I just had to go into System & Updates and selected the proprietary driver for the wireless for it to work | 23:37 |
| hatch | did you try that approach first? | 23:38 |
| Makyo | hatch, oh, maybe you can do that, too. It wasn't installed for me, but oh well. | 23:38 |
| Makyo | hatch, maybe worth putting in just a note that you might need to apt-get install that package first? | 23:38 |
| Makyo | You gotten your camera working yet? | 23:38 |
| hatch | so...did you install from the bootloader like in the tutorial or did you 'try' then install? | 23:39 |
| hatch | I haven't tried the camera yet....I'll do that tonight if I can | 23:39 |
| Makyo | hatch, try then install, so that might be it. | 23:39 |
| hatch | yeah I think that's the issue - I'll make notes of all this stuff - thanks for the email | 23:40 |
| Makyo | It's definitely in the repo on the install media, so it almost certainly loads! | 23:40 |
| Makyo | I'm trying now, will report back. | 23:40 |
| Makyo | No luck yet. | 23:42 |
| Makyo | The firmware cutter worked okay, but it isn't loading yet. | 23:42 |
| hazmat | is it a known issue that subordinate relations can't be hidden anymore? | 23:43 |
| Makyo | Yes. | 23:44 |
| Makyo | Pending on design's side, since the indicator is going away. | 23:44 |
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