[00:20] hatch: around? [00:21] I am [00:21] in OSX land again though [00:21] hatch: quick ?, do we still need the kanban card for 'remove viewmode'? [00:21] we're just working aroud viewmode in the current plan right? [00:21] correct, that card will just go 'poof' [00:21] ok, going to poof it [00:21] poof away! [00:22] thanks, no more thinking about work tonight carry on :) [00:22] haha - I'm writing the blog post on how to install trusty on a macbook [00:22] it's lengthy [00:22] now that i have mine purring [02:09] jujugui anyone around to proof my blog post on installing ubuntu on a macbook? [02:11] hatch: can give it a read [02:11] rick_h_ thanks! http://fromanegg.com/private/82251710943/tumblr_n3si6oh1aq1rojfnp [02:11] lemme know if you can get to that link [02:12] got it [02:13] great - that private post thing is a new feature so I wasn't sure how it worked [02:19] hatch: looks cool [02:19] right...on [02:19] my only concern is holding up over time with the number of external links for details [02:19] but otherwise it'd balloon [02:19] into a giant post [02:19] yeah I was thinking of bringing more information in but as it is it's pretty long [02:21] rick_h_ thanks for the read [02:23] it's alllliiivveee === rogpeppe2 is now known as rogpeppe [13:49] morning all [13:51] the new Dart release is going to be adding some nice perf upgrades === hatch__ is now known as hatch [14:51] jujugui call in 9 [14:51] thanks [14:52] Makyo: i was going to taunt you with our good luck getting a plumber. called him last night around 6pm and he should up here at 7:50am. fixed the problem in a jiffy. [14:52] Harrumph. [14:53] Makyo: then when he was turning the water back on at the street, he got it 40% on and the valve handle broke off [14:53] bac but Makyo's plumber needed a backhoe [14:53] Uh...whoops! Bit more work to do, then? [14:53] so now our already low water flow is reduced and we have to wait for the public water company to come fix it. [14:53] ugh oh....what are services like there? [14:54] like, will they actually come and fix it sometime soon [14:54] slow to crazy slow [14:54] ahh, not so good [14:54] one suggestion was to let the account go into arrears and when they come to shut it off they'll be forced to fix the valve [14:55] rofl [14:56] but, the toilet valve doesn't leak any more! :) [14:57] haha, now that's the main thing [14:58] jujugui callin 2 [15:15] oh Makyo I wrote a blog post about installing Ubuntu on metal so if you wanted to do it on your air you could follow it :) [15:15] Woohoo! [15:15] http://fromanegg.com/post/82251710943/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-a-mac-or-macbook [16:27] Makyo: did your wiring card land that's in review? [16:27] Makyo: or did you hit an issue? [16:28] rick_h_, oh, sorry, landed. [16:28] Makyo: ok cool, waiting at the gate doing kanban wheee [16:45] url generator complete [16:45] now for 5 hours of writing state objects and urls for the test [16:45] argsauce [16:45] :P [17:35] hi guys; does anyone know the status of quickstart for osx and windows offhand? [17:40] jcastro it's not on the map before oscon [17:45] jcastro if that's not satisfactory you can email rick_h_ - he is on holidaysish until Thursday [17:45] :-) [17:45] not time sensitive [17:46] cool [17:46] everyone should use Ubuntu anyways right? [17:46] ;) [17:46] yeah I just want to put quickstart all over the docs [17:46] it's such an awesome tool [17:46] but I don't want to add OS-specific comboboxes all over the nocs [17:47] yeah that's probably a good idea [17:48] does python even run on windows properly? [17:48] I thought there was a bunch of hoops to jump through [17:48] of course man [17:48] lol ok I'll take your word on it [17:49] jcastro I put together a blog post yesterday that you might be interested in http://fromanegg.com/post/82251710943/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-a-mac-or-macbook [17:49] what? blog? Fix the askubuntu post on that sir! [17:51] do you have a link to this askubuntu post? [17:53] http://askubuntu.com/questions/151371/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-mac-os-x [17:53] don't just post a link to your blog, put the content there [17:55] hatch, C&P'ing the text is fine, I can fix up the images and stuff for you [17:56] jcastro ok I'll update that tonight - there are a few additions/changes I want to make to the blog post first to clarify a few steps then I'll do it up [17:59] jujugui lf a review on the state > url generator https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/232 [18:00] hatch, taking a look. [18:00] thanks [18:00] Makyo pay close attention to the generated urls in the tests, just to make sure I got them correct and that I"m not missing any obvious formats [18:01] hatch, got it, thanks. [18:01] Also, will your instructions work for dual booting? [18:01] Oh, whoops, ther eit is. [18:01] I might try that out for funsies this weekend. [18:03] :-) [19:15] hatch: i looked up my blog post for sharing a partition between metal and VM. the post i referenced, which had all of the good bits, is no long available, and mine doesn't give a complete picture without it. [19:15] s/long/longer [19:16] s/long/longer/ [19:16] gah [19:16] ahhh darn! [19:26] the charmbrowser is now rendering via the state object [19:26] w000000t [19:27] bac there should also be a way to create a /home partition and share it between osx and ubuntu [19:28] .....should [19:28] heh [19:28] lunching [19:28] bbl [19:33] Can you partition external USB drives and still have them work with Time Machine? Using an entire 1TB drive to back up my 120gb HD seems weird. [19:34] Will fiddle later. [19:54] Makyo I'm not sure, I use my NAS and before that it was a 500GB external drive.....which it ate up in no time [19:55] I think you can set a max size in time machine.... [19:55] Yeah. Was thinking of just setting aside 200GB for Time Machine on this drive, using the rest for other backups, since OSX isn't my main. [19:55] guess not... [19:55] Looks like you can, though. [19:55] oh? [19:55] the partitioning you mean? [19:55] You can back up to a partition, I mean. [19:55] Yeah [19:55] cool [19:57] Figured I'd get that bit started. [19:57] yeah it takes a while [19:57] especially the first time [19:59] chrome crashes all the time in Ubuntu....no idea why [19:59] like the webpages turn to that blue crashed screen [19:59] Huh, boo. [20:00] yeah who knows, every time I do an update about 150MB of new content is available so I'm sure it's just very in flux right now [20:01] Yeah, that's fair. Tried Chromium yet to see if there's any diff? [20:03] I haven't [20:03] I'll have to try that later on [20:03] I still haven't got it all set up so I'm still working in OSX [20:04] Ah, alright. Yay for Vagrants. [20:04] wb kadams54 [20:05] I haven't gotten external monitors to work yet....the thunderbolt plugins don't seem to trigger in Ubuntu [20:05] will need to investigate that some more [20:05] Don't have nay here, thankfully. [20:05] Thanks… been at the hotel for several hours now, but just now realized I forgot to reconnect in Textual [20:05] I just buy new laptops. [20:05] I'm up to three now, as of yesterday. [20:06] lol you bought another one? [20:09] Yeah, refurb X230. 16gb RAM, Core i7, 16gb SSD. ultrabase dock, DVD burner, extra battery, extra charger, less than the stock laptop new :P [20:09] Came with a 64gb SD card in the slot, too, which had the previous owner's tax docs on it. Wiped that right away :P [20:10] oh nice [20:10] I didn't think the x230 had dvd drives [20:10] intersting [20:11] It's in the dock. [20:11] ohh coolio [20:12] thats one powerful machine [20:13] Yeah. Most powerful I have now. [20:14] weird ssd...only 16GB? I'm guessing there is a HDD there too? [20:14] The S76 is the same except for the HD, which is a 750gb HDD [20:14] 160, sorry. [20:14] ahh cool cool [20:15] Only thing I don't like about it is the trackpad, but I'm getting good at the trackpoint. [20:15] Turned the pad off. [20:18] oh yeah I keep forgetting about those things [20:19] I'm tryign to decide if I should remap the ubuntu keyboard to operate like osx keys [20:19] I don't mind either, but switching back and forth is tough. [20:19] yeah that's the problem right here :) [20:32] we should use this spinner http://codepen.io/esjay/pen/xclfz [20:40] i'm glad it isn't just me: [20:40] http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net [20:46] ""patch a pack from returned non-shearing remote bases"" what in the..... [20:48] yes I get that it's a joke :) [20:58] someone suggested it would be funny to occassionally include a real man page and see if anyone can tell [21:01] haha probably not [21:05] Makyo: i just saw your timelapse on G+. bonk! ha [21:05] bac, haha. I was working by the tripod and uncrossed my legs right into it :) [21:06] tripods can be dangerous [21:07] i was shooting some long exposures in the 'dry forest' a few weeks ago and decided it would be fun to jump in and out of the frame really quickly. [21:07] as i jumped out i landed on a hidden stick which went up through my show into my foot about 1/2". and the picture was dumb looking too. [21:07] s/show/shoe/ [21:09] ouch [21:09] Yiiikes [21:09] Photography's dangerous! [21:11] We tried that on campus when I was in college. but all we could think to do was make ghosts of ourselves: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ranna/419086360 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ranna/419086412 [21:12] haha that's cool [21:13] Long exposure in the dark with a manual flash pointed at whoever was jumping. [21:28] hello from silly french land [21:29] ahoy [21:29] or should i say [21:29] bonjour [21:29] "speaka the english...give me phone data!" [21:30] comment est la météo ? [21:30] Makyo: getting a x230? [21:30] rick_h_, got yesterday, yep. Loving it so far. [21:30] Well, once I turned off the trackpad. [21:30] Makyo: awesome, I left the air at home [21:30] Makyo: I thought long and hard about it, but the x230 is a programming machine, air isn't [21:31] Makyo: <3 welcome to the club. Love the doc to do dual displays and such. [21:31] so much backlog, I give [21:31] I may have to set that up sometime, yeah! Currently the doc's running the TV when the S76 isn't. [21:32] rick_h_ you'll be happy to hear the charmbrowser 'editorial' renders via the state system now - just working on the details and search [21:33] jcastro: checking backlog. OSX quickstart is on the roadmap and will happen next cycle. Windows, no idea and honestly not even sure how it'd work. [21:33] hatch: you da man! :) [21:33] hatch: the parts starting to fit together ok then? [21:33] rick_h_, when you say next cycle do you mean 6 month cycle or a 2 week cycle? [21:33] rick_h_ like butter - except the details/search all use the old state so I had to refactor them [21:34] jcastro: 6mo. From now until vegas it's all machine view all the time. [21:34] jcastro: it should be one of the first things we look at post-vegas [21:34] * jcastro nods [21:34] rick_h_, I am mulling asking the list for volunteers [21:35] jcastro that's probably not a horrible idea as long as they are good pythonistas :) frankban has a pretty specific way he wants it written :) [21:35] jcastro: for osx support? We're happy to mentor. It honestly shouldn't be a lot of work, but we've not tried doing Mac packaging [21:35] lol [21:36] hatch: he'd be a good mentor [21:36] like eat your vegetables and write your tests [21:36] 100% or die [21:36] ok [21:36] rick_h_ hahaha so true - [21:37] jcastro: but yea, with safari support out the door now this week osx quickstart is important to make us fully OSX happy [21:37] jcastro would it be installed via brew? is that what you're thinking? [21:37] hatch: +1 [21:37] yeah [21:37] hatch: and quickstart would depend on brew's juju packages [21:37] yup [21:37] ah, but we'd need -deployer too huh [21:38] are those in brew/Windows? [21:38] hatch: so a chunk of the work is packaging, getting the binary in the right place (which python should handle) [21:38] jcastro: no, but they're python deps [21:38] jcastro: so they'd come along for the ride I think [21:38] * jcastro nods [21:38] jcastro: that's why it's not a TON of work, but without trying it I don't have the experience to say exactly how much [21:38] rick_h_ well that could also be done by brew [21:39] hatch: right, so we'd have to make sure urwid, deployer, etc are brew-ized [21:39] hatch, jcastro Running into some things that might be a useful addition for MacBook Airs. [21:39] ahh right right [21:39] brew scripts are really just a script that can do pretty much anything [21:39] so we 'could' shoehorn whatever we wanted into there... [21:40] but brew deps would sure be awesome [21:40] hatch: right, but I'm sure there's good/bad ways to do things. There's enogh python in brew I'm sure there's a standard for packaing python libs [21:40] yeah probably right [21:40] and if we do it, let's be good community and do it right [21:40] Makyo oh? for the blog post? [21:40] imo [21:40] Yep [21:40] agreed [21:40] rick_h_, ok I'll think of some ideas on how to proceed, thanks [21:40] jcastro: sure thing, let me know if you need anything from my end. Else we'll chat on scheduling in vegas for us to work on it [21:41] Makyo if it's lengthy email it so I have it on record [21:41] I need to add the wifi bits tonight [21:41] One package to install, so far, but it's in trusty, so it's on the USB stick (as opposed to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir6-2/Saucy ) [21:41] So far. [21:42] oh, my guide was for trusty not saucy [21:43] hatch, yeah, I'm pointing out a difference between trusty and saucy. [21:43] ohhh gotcha [21:43] I didn't know about these pages [21:43] I'll have to add this link to the blog post [21:43] heh [21:43] I'm not sure how to find out what kind of macbook I have re the number parts [22:00] oh man this new state code is so ballin [22:02] Makyo hey how goes the battle? I'm interested to know the technique you're going to use :D [22:02] * hatch is such a nerd [22:03] hatch, installed, just grabbing wireless drivers. Will have an email for you soon. [22:03] oh I mean't the ECS stuff :) [22:03] Oh, call real quick? Have a pseudocode impl, should pre-imp with you [22:04] sure just a sec, it's a zoo in here, grab a link I'll join in a bit [22:04] Sure [22:06] ok ready [22:07] hatch, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjph1s199v2mkfi9g9qsh9s?hl=en [22:25] anyone know where gui server keeps logs at [22:26] upstart I thought [22:29] hatch, thanks [22:30] find what you're looking for? [22:33] hatch, i found an api change in core that causes subordinate deploys with bundles to fail [22:33] hatch, i'm gonna need to push a rev on gui charm and deployer [22:34] ahh ok cool, well just don't forget the tests ;-) [22:35] i'll push to a personal branch.. [22:37] hatch, is there a make target to regenerate the pydep cache? [22:41] hmm it's been a while since I've worked with the guicharm [22:41] lemme take a peek [22:42] oops [22:42] sysdeps [22:42] that doesn't rebuild cache afaics [22:43] in that case I'm pretty sure the answer is no [22:45] its done.. and apparently i missed putting it in a personal branch :-( [22:46] oh the bug fix is already done? [22:46] yeah.. [22:49] oops [22:52] No Huw. Going to walk the dogs, back in a bit. [22:52] sounds good, if he shows we'll wait [22:52] Will hurry, then. [22:53] hatch, actually.. i pushed to the old charmers branch of gui.. i'm a bit confused on the distinction now [22:53] hazmat https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk [22:53] that's the GUI one [22:54] hatch, interesting.. cause.. https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs:juju-gui [22:54] has my commit [22:54] yeah I have no idea, the whole 'charmers' thing just confuses me [22:54] https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/juju-gui-87/?text=juju-gui lists ricks commit [22:56] that's the multiple sources of truth biting folks [22:56] the store is pointing to a different branch [22:57] yeah ok I have no idea sorry, I haven't done any of the charm > store stuff in a very long time [22:57] so can we stop with the whole charmers stuff? :) [22:58] so basically juju deploy juju-gui gets a differnet version of the gui [22:58] hatch, this isn't really about htat [22:59] rick_h_, you around? [22:59] hatch, my mistake launchpad has long delay [22:59] hatch, they are pointing to the same place.. my commit just showed up [22:59] but to https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk [23:00] hatch, so juju deploy juju-gui pulls from that [23:00] ~juju-gui is something else [23:00] the gui team dev version perhaps [23:00] ohh ok so we have our branch and then there is the charmers branch [23:01] so you should probably roll your change back then? Because ours will overwrite that one on the next release [23:01] hatch, you have gui team branch.. and gui charmers team branch.. which is different then ~charmers [23:01] oh boy [23:01] hatch, we can point tip/alias for a charm to any branch [23:01] gui just has separate dev charm then prod charm i htink [23:01] ahhh ok so you pushed to the prod charm [23:01] heh [23:01] morning huwshimi [23:01] hatch: Morning [23:02] argh.. now juju issues [23:02] i'm gonna need some caffieene [23:04] haha, hazmat sorry I haven't been much help, the people who do the majority of the charm work are gone atm [23:04] hatch, no worries [23:04] huwshimi AUS call when Makyo returns? [23:13] I'm here. [23:13] hatch: Oh sure, sorry I thought there wouldn't be one with Rick away [23:14] we are on the ball! [23:15] sorry just trying to join now [23:15] ^ Makyo huwshimi [23:15] ok in [23:29] well I'm going to EOD now, I'll probably be back hacking on something later :) cya all [23:37] Makyo interesting technique you used....I just had to go into System & Updates and selected the proprietary driver for the wireless for it to work [23:38] did you try that approach first? [23:38] hatch, oh, maybe you can do that, too. It wasn't installed for me, but oh well. [23:38] hatch, maybe worth putting in just a note that you might need to apt-get install that package first? [23:38] You gotten your camera working yet? [23:39] so...did you install from the bootloader like in the tutorial or did you 'try' then install? [23:39] I haven't tried the camera yet....I'll do that tonight if I can [23:39] hatch, try then install, so that might be it. [23:40] yeah I think that's the issue - I'll make notes of all this stuff - thanks for the email [23:40] It's definitely in the repo on the install media, so it almost certainly loads! [23:40] I'm trying now, will report back. [23:42] No luck yet. [23:42] The firmware cutter worked okay, but it isn't loading yet. [23:43] is it a known issue that subordinate relations can't be hidden anymore? [23:44] Yes. [23:44] Pending on design's side, since the indicator is going away.