[00:43] <exedore6> So, I updated today, and my libvirt kvm setup broke. I think it's something to do with apparmor, but I haven't figured it out yet.
[00:44] <johnjohn101> exedore6: is it this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1245251
[00:46] <exedore6> I don't know. my libvirtd.log is complaining about a profile libvirt-36644937-1d58-83f8-1cb6-2defcb4c658b
[00:47] <trism> exedore6: looks like an old bug, bug 799997
[00:53] <exedore6> no, I just looked at the changelog... my vm is trying to use the now reverted trusty machine type
[01:01] <exedore6> Got it. because I made the vm with the unmatched libvirt, it had the wrong machine type. By changing it to 'pc' it worked. not a bug, just a moving target
[03:27] <roasted> hello friends
[03:27] <roasted> is there a 'service' or osmething for web apps?
[03:28] <roasted> google calendar is suddenly not opening, but gmail is. kind of wondering if I can restart something (besides the computer)
[03:51] <holstein> roasted: those are internet destinations
[03:51] <roasted> holstein: I ended up rebooting, but gcal is still not loading.
[03:52] <holstein> roasted: those are not on your machine, friend
[03:52] <roasted> holstein: I assume it's a bug then
[03:53] <holstein> roasted: thats likely the issue.. you should always, as they say, assume nothing
[03:53] <roasted> hardy har :P
[03:53] <holstein> roasted: you'll do well to do some normal neworking tests
[03:53] <roasted> do you have the gcal webapp installed by chance?
[03:53] <holstein> roasted: ping the desintations.. ping the router.. check your NDS configurations
[03:53] <holstein> roasted: i use google calendar
[03:54] <roasted> webapp too?
[03:54] <holstein> roasted: im not sure what connontes "the webapp"
[03:54] <roasted> the.. webapp. the unity integration with it.
[03:54] <holstein> its not an application, but its on the internet
[03:54] <roasted> "Calendar" in the dash results
[03:54] <holstein> roasted: i dont use unity, but thats just opening the webpage
[03:55] <holstein> roasted: you can test seperately by using just a web browser, and not "the webapp"
[03:55] <roasted> on Unity, accessing google calendar prompts if you want the webapp
[03:55] <roasted> calendar is fine on firefox
[03:55] <roasted> it's specifically the webapp
[03:56] <holstein> roasted: i dont use it.. sounds like either a bug, or the shortcut to the web page (which is what i understand that to be) is corrupted
[03:56] <holstein> roasted: you can remove the current shortcut, and try making another, and test
[03:57] <roasted> ha, damn thing won't even uninstall
[03:57] <holstein> roasted: likely since nothing is installed.. and its just a shortcut to the web page that shows up as a native looking application
[03:58] <roasted> right
[03:58] <roasted> like chromeos apps
[03:58] <roasted> glorified bookmark
[04:07] <roasted> I removed the calendar.desktop item in ~/.local/share/applications but now I cant reinstall it
[04:07] <roasted> even rebooted, went to firefox, calendar, never prompted. and it's not in the exceptions list...
[04:08] <roasted> guess it just needed *all* traces of google removed from the exceptions, and not just the calendar specific one. just got the prompt.
[04:09] <roasted> and it works. joyyy.
[04:10] <roasted> doesn't launch if I pin it to unity bar, but if I launch it from dash, it works. Even if I pin that working instance, close, and reopen, doesn't work.
[04:11] <roasted> gmail too. :(
[04:11] <holstein> roasted: maybe just give it some time, and patience
[04:12] <holstein> roasted: seems like you are not really sure what is broken or why, as i read above
[04:12] <holstein> roasted: i tend to be the kind of guy who doesnt wait for the promt.. if i want a launcher, i make it..
[04:13] <holstein> roasted: you may be having just "growing pains" moving to the latest version of unity
[04:13] <roasted> holstein: growing pains?
[04:13] <roasted> really?
[04:14] <roasted> these are clearly actual issues with the latest updates. These items were working an hour ago before I updated.
[04:14] <roasted> Not that I'm frustrated at that, I am after all on a beta release...
[04:14] <holstein> roasted: cool.. enjoy !
[04:15] <roasted> hey. thanks.
[04:15] <holstein> i know i usually blow out my user configs for things, and test.. temporarily moving them, or just using a new user
[04:16] <roasted> I fail to see what else I can do aside from removing the .desktop file it creates.
[04:16] <roasted> after all, it's just a glorified link
[04:17] <roasted> but it does pipe into the ubuntu 'web browser' so maybe that's an issue
[04:17] <holstein> roasted: have you tried as a different user? or removing or moving your users config?
[04:17] <roasted> I removed the relevant file
[04:17] <roasted> then reinstalled the webapp altogether
[04:17] <holstein> roasted: consider removing your user config from the equation
[04:17] <roasted> so far what I've read online suggests that removing the file I did effectively removes the entirety of the webapp
[04:18] <roasted> yeah - I'm not doing that on this machine tonight. :P
[04:18] <roasted> I'm far too exhausted to cause something to explode over a dinky webapp
[04:18] <roasted> I'll see what updates come tomorrow and work on it fresh.
[04:18] <holstein> you can just create a new user, or test as the guest user.. or just move yours temporarily and reboot
[04:19] <holstein> its quite simple, and something i just expect to do with beta software
[05:59] <dw1> sometimes gnome-screensaver loads twice.  yesterday i killed both and restarted it and it was fine for a bit, but today i found 2 loaded again.  i dont get the double lock screen others reported, but when both are loaded one of them goes off at interval (every 10 mins) and is unaffected by system activity, caffeine, etc
[06:01] <dw1> ill set up a script to monitor the situation and try to figure out more and file a bug i guess
[06:02] <Ben64> i think the screensaver problems are known already
[06:04] <dw1> i saw some bugs about double lock screens but they were supposedly fixed and i have the fixed package
[07:36] <dw1> in VLC the audio is unstable, sometimes turning off.  if i try to skip ahead in a movie, I get high CPU usage for 3+ minutes then video finally resumes but audio has crashed.  VLC/LibVLC still shows in pavucontrol but no sound
[07:44] <dw1> ALSA audio mode doesn't seem to crash, but still major delays when skipping, the further ahead the longer the delay
[07:55] <dw1> I only mention it because it only happened after upgrade to Trusty
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:06] <dw1> ok its just on one video. hmm
[08:40] <trinode> hey, I'm using a daily (tried ubuntu gnome and standard) and it simply won't boot after an UEFI install
[08:40] <trinode> it has the "ubuntu" entry in the system options
[08:41] <trinode> when the computer boots it drops back to select boot device menu
[08:41] <trinode> hitting ubuntu flashes black for a second or 2 then back to the menu
[08:41] <trinode> enabling CSM allows booting, but I guess if it needs that there's something seriously wrong?
[09:55] <dw1> my screensaver issue seems to happen whenever i unplug or replug the power on laptop.  possibly something to do with jupiter power saver
[09:55] <dw1> un/replugging causes a second copy of gnome-screensaver to launch
[10:03] <dw1> yep, purging jupiter fixed it
[10:04] <Dynalon> short question: is today's daily build the same as the RC (scheduled for today?). Are there any major reasons to wait for the RC instead of todays dailly build?
[10:13] <bekks> Dynalon: If you ask like that, maybe you should wait for the release ;)
[10:17] <Dynalon> bekks: I need an env to build and test my project (and maybe create a package), and I want it ready on release date - so no, waiting for release is not an option
[10:18] <Dynalon> I am installing today, I was just unsure if there is serious reason to wait a few hours until the RC is ready but i guess not
[10:18] <bekks> Then just a daily build and run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:18] <bekks> *just use
[10:42] <mdunc> I had problems with yesterday's daily build's installer.  Refused to install on a RAID 0 and just gave an error containing "???? ?????"
[10:42] <mdunc> The beta2 iso gave that strange error too, but it still continued with the installation.
[11:49] <johnjohn101> one more week. omg
[12:18] <trijntje> Hi all, I'm suddenly unable to switch viewports with my mouse buttons, any ideas how to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1305818
[12:41] <pencilnub> hello. will the RC landing in the release section under cdimages.ubuntu today?
[12:42] <pencilnub> 14.04 RC of course.
[12:43] <pencilnub> previous versions are not found there, only betas. so i wonder where the RC will pop up.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:41] <utack> how did no one mention the best improvement all over ubuntu 14.04. backspace in nautilus works as expected!
[14:09] <jluc> Does search in nautilus automaticaly adds an "Emplacement" column ?
[14:09] <jluc> And can all columns be set to any width even when the Emplacement column is there and when names of other colums are sometime very small ?
[14:10] <jluc> these would be the best improvements
[14:47] <trinode> ok, a system that boots in uefi + csm is destroyed by running update-grub
[14:47] <trinode> it's a fresh install
[14:47] <trinode> (or was)
[14:49] <kai_> Hello
[14:49] <kai_> I am currently unable to get Steam client running from .deb or USC
[14:50] <kai_> due to "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
[14:50] <kai_> steam-launcher: Depends: jockey-common but it is not going to be installed
[14:50] <kai_> help?
[14:51] <kai_> steam-launcher: Depends: jockey-common but it is not going to be installed
[14:51] <kai_>                 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.19-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[14:58] <kai_> hey
[15:00] <k1l_> what ubuntu is that exactly?
[15:38] <Syltman> Hey is 14.04 release candidate out?
[15:51] <lordievader> !schedule
[15:51] <lordievader> Syltman: Hmm, should be today, but yet I see nothing rc'ish on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:32] <OEP> has anyone noticed if the init script for uwsgi does not properly kill processes when you restart?
[16:32] <OEP> or is it just me :P
[16:50] <cce7> Hi.  Is there anyway to convert from UbuntuGNOME to just plain Ubuntu?  I'm trying to use XMonad, and, I'm not sure how I should/can start it.
[16:51] <cce7> The login window no longer has an option to pick the window manager (like it did last release, but I think that's because I picked the wrong sub-distribution)
[16:52]  * cce7 just isn't sure how to tell Ubuntu how to use xmonad for my window manager.   Also, Trusty doesn't seem to be saving my multi-window configuration, it keeps getting reset.
[16:52] <cce7> Thanks for any help....
[16:52]  * cce7 lingers for a while.
[16:58] <bulletxt> Hi, Cups 1.7.2 came out today. Do you think ubuntu 14.04 will be able to get it into it ?
[17:04] <mathuin> bulletxt: looks like Feb 20 was feature freeze -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze has more details.
[17:04] <bulletxt> ok but hopefully there can be some exception on bugfix release? :|
[17:05] <bulletxt> there are some serious issues on 1.7.1 that is blocking my work
[17:05] <bulletxt> I opened the ticket hopefully someone will listen to me :(   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1306141
[17:06] <mathuin> It *may* be worth asking in #ubuntu-devel, but I don't know what to tell you.
[17:06] <mathuin> That page I linked said that exceptions should be granted if the upload contains only bug fixes.
[17:07] <mathuin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess has mor einformation.
[17:07] <mathuin> You've already filed the bug.  Include the other info, subscribe it to the ubuntu-release team, and cross your fingers. ;-)
[17:07] <Mneuro> Is the release candidate going tobe a seperate release from the daily build?
[17:07] <trinode> is being unable to get into grub in a uefi install a major bug?
[17:10] <trinode> Though I think it's lenovo's fault
[17:11] <DJones> trinode: I have a lenovo laptop & don't have any issues with grub
[17:11] <trinode> DJones: you got a Lx40 or Tx40?
[17:12] <trinode> (newest models)
[17:12] <DJones> trinode: No, Y510P
[17:12] <trinode> is that the foldy one?
[17:12] <trinode> :)
[17:12] <DJones> no, its not
[17:12] <trinode> they seemed to have borked the UEFI mode, I can boot if I enable legacy, my Dell laptop works fine
[17:13] <DJones> trinode: This one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-15-6-inch-Processor-Graphics-Windows/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397149980&sr=8-2&keywords=lenovo+y510p
[17:14] <trinode> (using the same install disc, dell can boot in complete UEFI only mode, the Lenovo sits there for a bit then the bios boot list shows, you can pick "ubuntu" then it flickers for a second and goes back to the boot choices)
[17:15] <trinode> if you enable CSM it boots, but that's not even a good answer, any time you run install-grub(2) it becomes unbootable completely
[17:17] <trinode> they actually had a major bug in the bioses earlier which meant the T540 could be completely bricked by installing / booting linux
[17:18] <Mneuro> Is the release candidate going tobe a seperate release from the daily build?
[17:19] <bekks> Mneuro: It will be the daily build on the day of the release of the RC.
[17:19] <Mneuro> The daily build is already out, that means that is the release candidate?
[17:19] <bekks> Mneuro: No.
[17:20] <bekks> Mneuro: The RC will just have "release candidate" in its name, with the same state of software as the daily build.
[17:20] <Mneuro> If I install the daily build that is out right now, it will be the same thing essentially, right?
[17:21] <bekks> Mneuro: Essentially, yes.
[17:21] <Mneuro> ok thanks
[17:22] <Syltman> awesome
[17:45] <topspritz> Will the release candidate today include the openSSL fix?
[17:45] <rewbycraft> Let's hope it does.
[17:48] <topspritz> Any idea what time the .iso is being released today?
[17:58] <alket> is RC out ?
[18:02] <Meerkat> wouldn't be much of a release candidate if it didn't
[18:02] <Meerkat> ^ regarding the openssl issue.
[18:03] <alket> Meerkat: not sure if I understood you
[18:04] <rewbycraft> Meerkat: It doesn't. But they backported the patch.
[18:04] <Pici> It contains the ssl fix as much as any other supported release of Ubuntu contains the fix.
[18:06] <rewbycraft> Anybody know why a bunch of my indicators have vanished? (According to the logs: ** (process:1206): CRITICAL **: file /build/buildd/indicator-sound-12.10.2+14.04.20140401/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src/volume-control.c: line 1775: uncaught error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: No such interface (g-dbus-error-quark, 16) for sound).
[18:07] <rewbycraft> Although datetime and  session give dbus errors too.
[18:22] <trism> rewbycraft: I'm getting that error too, so that's probably not the issue because my indicators are still working fine
[18:23] <darius77> Is there any documentation for bugs fixed between Beta 2 of 14.04 and the final release?
[18:59] <rewbycraft> trism: Darn it. I was hoped I was onto something. In that case assertion '_tmp1_ == PA_CONTEXT_READY' failed is probably the cause. The weird part is that sometimes the indicator works and sometimes not.
[19:02] <cce7> I installed GNOMEUbuntu, is there anyway to go to regular Ubuntu so I could get the login screen that lets me pick the window manager?
[19:02] <rewbycraft> cce7: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[19:02] <cce7> oh, cool; then, xmonad may appear in wm drop down choice list?
[19:02] <cce7> rewbycraft: thank you, doing that now
[19:03] <rewbycraft> cce7: It'll ask you which display manager  to use. Pick lightdm. It's the ubuntu default and lets you pick (can't vouch for xmonad, but works well with kde, unity, gnome2, xfce and lxde). PS. You have to reboot.
[19:04] <cce7> ok!
[19:04] <cce7> thanks so much
[19:04]  * cce7 crosses fingers.
[19:04]  * rewbycraft crosses fingers with cce7
[19:06] <cce7> rewbycraft: you don't happen to know how to get the display settings (for mulitple monitors) to be sticky, they reset on logout or reboot.
[19:06] <rewbycraft> cce7: Depends on gfx card manufacturer. Nvidia, AMD/ATI or Intel
[19:07] <cce7> It's a geforce adapter & 3 monitors, the orientation has wrong defaults ;)
[19:07] <cce7> So, NVidia
[19:07] <rewbycraft> cce7: The proper way for NVidia is to run nvidia-settings as root with sudo and it should stick. (I have a nvidia card in this laptop as well.)
[19:08] <cce7> Thanks!
[19:08] <cce7> I'm sorry I'm such a noob at graphic stuff.
[19:08]  * cce7 is a fish out of water till i gots me xmonad back & terminal.
[19:08] <rewbycraft> cce7: At least, with the binary driver. Which I recommend because it gives better FPS and noveau is kinda broken right now.
[19:09] <trinode> ok, so I'm trying to figure out what's breaking when I run install-grub, does anyone know what files it would actually modify?
[19:09] <rewbycraft> trinode: Any errors?
[19:09] <rewbycraft> trinode: On EFI-systems it will mess with your ESP partitition and /boot. On Legacy/BIOS systems just /boot
[19:10] <rewbycraft> Oh, and MBR as well on BIOS systems
[19:10] <trinode> rewbycraft: it's an efi system
[19:10] <trinode> but I have to enable CSM for it to boot
[19:10] <trinode> so it could think it's either
[19:11] <rewbycraft> CSM?
[19:11] <trinode> compatibility something something
[19:11] <trinode> :)
[19:11] <trinode> adds some bios bits back in
[19:12] <rewbycraft> I have UEFI on my laptop. Works quite well. If you have to enable compat than you are running legacy mode.
[19:12] <rewbycraft> I recommend grub-efi.
[19:12] <rewbycraft> It has worked painlessly for me.
[19:12] <rewbycraft> Although some HP systems can be a pain (they don't obey the rules set by grub-install).
[19:13] <rewbycraft> You might wanna try boot-repair.
[19:13] <rewbycraft> There's no trusty version in the ppa yet but it works just fine if you manually install the saucy debs from the ppa.
[19:13] <trinode> not quite legacy mode, it's weird it's halfway you still have all the EFI stuff, and I'm using grub-efi-amd64, I have a choice of legacy mode or EFI with CSM or pure EFI
[19:13] <trinode> every time I run grub-install I end up having to run boot repair
[19:14] <rewbycraft> Ah. I'd say your EFI system doesn't play nice with linux.
[19:14] <rewbycraft> I don't see why you'd need to install grub more than once. update-grub will work just fine.
[19:14] <rewbycraft> Just install grub, run boot-repair and it should work.
[19:14] <trinode> I meant update-grub, sorry
[19:15] <trinode> been a long day of shouting at the laptop :)
[19:15] <rewbycraft> Hmm. Weird.
[19:15] <rewbycraft> update-grub shouldn't be messing with any files that can require boot-repair.
[19:15] <rewbycraft> Are you getting any errors or just a "no boot medium found" kind of message.
[19:15] <rewbycraft> Also, disable secure-boot.
[19:15] <rewbycraft> If you have it.
[19:16] <trinode> just a repeating boot manager prompt for boot device
[19:16] <trinode> sb is disabled
[19:16] <rewbycraft> Can you take a pic of the bootmanager prompt and paste the link here
[19:16] <trinode> as is quick boot / fastboot / instant start stuff
[19:16] <rewbycraft> ?
[19:16] <trinode> I have a youtube clip of it in action :)
[19:16] <rewbycraft> Link?
[19:17] <trinode> one sec
[19:17] <trinode> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iou15wGo4js
[19:17] <rewbycraft> I'll check it out. One sec.
[19:18] <trinode> just won't get as far as grub / grub dies
[19:19] <rewbycraft> Try changing the boot mode in the uefi settings startup tab.
[19:19] <rewbycraft> To normal.
[19:19] <rewbycraft> And set UEFI Only to Legacy
[19:19] <rewbycraft> Good thing I have a lenovo with a similar bios.
[19:20] <rewbycraft> Although the CSM thing is something i don't have.
[19:20] <trinode> it's the new model
[19:20] <trinode> one of them that could be bricked by installing linux
[19:20] <rewbycraft> Ah, mine is 1.5 years old.
[19:20] <rewbycraft> It's not bricked.
[19:20] <rewbycraft> I think your ESP part is messed up.
[19:20] <trinode> nah, they fixed it in a bios update
[19:20] <rewbycraft> Fixed what?
[19:20] <trinode> the bricking
[19:21] <trinode> I can't brick it, but booting, they might be working on that! :)
[19:21] <rewbycraft> Mine didn't brick. It just worked (tm). (No seriously, it worked.) But I've messed with it enough to know my way around.
[19:22] <rewbycraft> You understand the difference between how UEFI boots and how BIOS used to work, right?
[19:22] <trinode> I understand there's a partition that has grub and windows' loader in (if I had windows)
[19:23] <trinode> I'm not sure on a technical level but I get the overview
[19:23] <rewbycraft> Okay, you don't know the whole thing. Want me to explain?
[19:23] <trinode> I've been playing with efibootmgr and it seems fine
[19:23] <clark_> Ah, thanks, I have xmonad ;)
[19:24] <trinode> (the ubuntu entry looks like it points to the right place
[19:24] <trinode> )
[19:24] <clark_> Now, I have monitors sideways; and when I use control-center to change them it says:  Failed to apply configuration: %s  GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Debus.Error.ServiceUknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDeamon was not provided by any .service files
[19:24] <rewbycraft> trinode: There are multiple managers on a computer. On the ESP partitition there is /EFI/ubuntu/grub<whatever>
[19:25] <rewbycraft> clark7: Doesn't the nvidia-settings have something for that?
[19:26] <clark7> it brings up a almost-blank dialog (nvdia-settings) since I don't think I have nvida drivers yet ;(
[19:26] <trinode> grubx64.efi
[19:26] <clark7> (reading sideways is fun)
[19:27] <rewbycraft> clark7: I have nvidia-331-updates. nvidia-settings has a rotation tab under x server display configuration.
[19:27] <rewbycraft> trinode: No grub.cfg file?
[19:27] <clark7> I'll see if I an find out how to get nvidia drivers
[19:28] <rewbycraft> clark7: sudo apt-get install nvidia-331-updates.
[19:28] <trinode> rewbycraft: CSM = "for booting legacy os, both legacy and UEFI boots are feasable"
[19:28] <rewbycraft> clark7: (without the dot)
[19:28] <rewbycraft> trinode: If you're missing grub.cfg it doesn't matter. Grub has no config in that case.
[19:28] <trinode> I do have :)
[19:28] <clark7> GTX760
[19:28] <clark7> ok
[19:28] <trinode> rewbycraft: in legacy mode I get that boot loop, in UEFI mode I get that boot loop
[19:29] <trinode> in UEFI with CSM it boots
[19:29] <rewbycraft> trinode: Let me do some research.
[19:29] <trinode> grub looks aweful though, I wonder if it's trying to set display using a method not in UEFI unless I enable CSM
[19:29] <trinode> *awful
[19:30] <rewbycraft> trinode: Look at rEFInd. I'm contemplating installing it on my laptop as well because it looks awesome. Haven't had the time to do it yet though.
[19:31] <rewbycraft> clark7: Any luck yet? You might have to reboot for the nvidia driver to work. And you will also make sure you run: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[19:31] <rewbycraft> clark7: nvidia drivers are a downright pain to install but you'll be very happy once you have
[19:32] <clark7> rebooting then ;)
[19:32] <trinode> I don't recognise any of the syntax in the efi grub.cfg
[19:32] <trinode> well, I follow the second and third line, but the first :/
[19:33] <rewbycraft> trinode: If yours is any like mine it works like this:
[19:33] <rewbycraft> trinode: (this will take a while to type, be patient)
[19:36] <rewbycraft> trinode: It is telling grub to set your linux partition as the active partition (fs_uuid is the same one you can find with blkid). Then it's telling it to add /boot/grub to the search path. And then it's telling grub to use the grub.cfg in /boot/grub/grub.cfg to replace the current one.
[19:36] <rewbycraft> trinode: You wanna look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg for indications as to what might be wrong.
[19:37] <trinode> is there a way to make it just use a text screen instead of that purple "graphical" screen?
[19:37] <trinode> I've seen it do it, but never set it up to do so
[19:37] <rewbycraft> trinode: In /etc/default/grub, uncomment the GRUB_TERMINAL line and run sudo update-grub
[19:39] <rewbycraft> trinode: Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ( and the output of sudo blkid )? I wanna take a look and see what it's trying to do.
[19:39] <trinode> yup, unbootable
[19:39] <trinode> :/
[19:39] <trinode> gonna live cd it
[19:40] <rewbycraft> trinode: Can you pastebin the file like I asked? I'm curious as to how different it is from mine.
[19:40]  * cce7 bings very happily.
[19:40] <rewbycraft> cce7: Did reconfigure work?
[19:40] <cce7> rewbycraft: yes, it's great ;)
[19:40] <trinode> rewbycraft: which file?
[19:40] <rewbycraft> cce7: Great!
[19:40] <rewbycraft> trinode: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:40] <cce7> The only thing I have to figure out now, is how to restore the "gnome panel" thing up at the top ;)
[19:40] <rewbycraft> cce7: Unity one?
[19:40] <cce7> But... this is brilliant, my older xmonad config worked.
[19:41] <lonelyduck> when will release candidate available to download
[19:41] <rewbycraft> cce7: You can (re-) install unity with sudo apt-get install unity
[19:41] <trinode> rewbycraft: ok, I'll get you both before and after repair
[19:41] <cce7> I guess so.  It's the one with the plugins to see wireless, sound, time, user, shutdown, etc.
[19:41] <rewbycraft> lonelyduck: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[19:41] <rewbycraft> cce7: Yep unity.
[19:42] <cce7> ok, installing ;)
[19:42] <cce7> is it called gnome-panel or what do they call it this release ;)
[19:42] <rewbycraft> cce7: You should be able to pick it from the gear icon in the login screen. Not sure if it'll use xmonad though.
[19:42] <cce7> Ah, I think it might be an older gnome 2d panel
[19:43] <rewbycraft> cce7: The default one is unity. It looks like gnome 2d.
[19:43] <cce7> "unity-panel-service" and "unity-2d-panel" ... I'll try those
[19:43] <rewbycraft> cce7: just run sudo apt-get install unity (it'll install everything
[19:44] <rewbycraft> cce7: "unity" is a metapackage that'll pull everything it needs
[19:44] <cce7> ya, did that.. unity-2d-panel seems to not exist anymore ;)
[19:44]  * cce7 is looking for some sort of status panel that integrates with all the gnome apps
[19:44] <rewbycraft> cce7: It does on mine.
[19:44] <rewbycraft> cce7: apt-cache shows it just fine for me. But I'm pretty sure you want the normal unity.
[19:45] <lonelyduck> but that no rc
[19:46] <cce7> unity-2d-panel - transitional dummy package
[19:46] <cce7> it's definately a dummy ;)
[19:46] <rewbycraft> lonelyduck: there is no real rc i think. All builds use the same repo, I use daily live for my 14.04 install.
[19:46] <cce7> Getting the panel to work in each ubuntu release is always fun!
[19:47] <lonelyduck> rewbycraft: thnx
[19:47] <rewbycraft> cce7: unity-2d is unity without the 3d stuff. The dummy packages will pull it anyways.
[19:48] <rewbycraft> It shows in the login screen under the little gear next to your name as "Ubuntu" (don't ask why).
[19:49] <trism> rewbycraft: fixed the dbus error, I'm also getting the pa error so I'm not sure that's it either
[19:49] <rewbycraft> tirsm: Darn it. How did you fix the dbus error though??
[19:49] <rewbycraft> trism: ^ (i typod your name)
[19:49] <cce7> rewbycraft: I'm afraid stand-alone unity-2d-panel is no longer in /usr/bin
[19:49] <cce7> So, it's probably replaced with something clever
[19:50] <rewbycraft> cce7: I'm using normal unity and it I checked screenshots of gnome-2d, you want unity.
[19:50] <trism> rewbycraft: it was connecting to the wrong interface, com.ubuntu.AccountsService.Sound which doesn't exist, it's actually com.canonical.indicator.sound.AccountsService
[19:51] <rewbycraft> trism: *groan* Do I really have to go and edit vala code?
[19:52] <trism> rewbycraft: no I sent a merge request so hopefully gone soon
[19:52] <rewbycraft> trism: Can you give me a link? I wanna try a build of it.
[19:52] <cce7> rewbycraft: this is still great progress, thank you for helping me get up and running with trusty
[19:53] <trism> rewbycraft: https://code.launchpad.net/~jconti/indicator-sound/fix-vc-interface
[19:53] <rewbycraft> cce7: Sure. NP.
[19:53] <rewbycraft> trism: Alrighty, building now. Fingers crossed.
[19:55]  * cce7 still wonders if there's a stand-alone panel to replace unity-2d-panel
[19:55] <rewbycraft> cce7: I don't think there is. Unless you wanna dive deep into the horrors of X11
[19:55] <cce7> oh no... not I
[19:56] <cce7> In 12.04 the setup is pretty sweet, unity-2d-panel is top N pixels, the rest is xmonad ;)
[19:56] <cce7> so, you have accesss to battery, time, sound, mail, etc.
[19:58] <rewbycraft> cce7: Maybe if you can get xmonad to use /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service then yes, you can. I haven't used it so i'm applying my general linux/X11/unity knowledge here.
[19:59] <rewbycraft> cce7: /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service does the top bar.
[20:01] <cce7> it's a noop visually currently, probably it needs missing pieces
[20:01]  * cce7 should get back to work though.
[20:01] <rewbycraft> cce7: I can pastebin my process list if it helps.
[20:01] <cce7> rewbycraft: I really apprechiate your help, thank you.
[20:02] <cce7> sure!
[20:02] <rewbycraft> cce7: No Problem.
[20:02] <rewbycraft> cce7: One sec.
[20:03] <trinode> rewbycraft: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232260
[20:03] <rewbycraft> cce7: http://pastebin.com/RVNkgUPB See if any of these processes helps (ignore my random desktop programs)
[20:04] <rewbycraft> trinode: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo blkid" as well?
[20:05] <rewbycraft> trinode: That way I have something to reference it against.
[20:05] <trinode> rewbycraft: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232271
[20:08] <rewbycraft> trinode: This confuses me. It is as if it isn't even trying to load grub, because sans the obvious uuid and partition numbering differences (which are normal) they are identical.
[20:09] <rewbycraft> trinode: Can you try rEFInd?
[20:09] <rewbycraft> trinode: Maybe it can do what grub is failing to do right now.
[20:09] <cce7> rewbycraft: thank you, I don't see anything obvious either i'll email ;)
[20:09]  * cce7 waves.
[20:09] <trinode> maybe, or give a meaningful error
[20:09] <rewbycraft> cce7: Do you have my mail?
[20:09] <rewbycraft> trinode: Exacty.
[20:09] <rewbycraft> *exactly
[20:10] <trinode> rewbycraft: you got any howto links?
[20:10] <rewbycraft> trinode: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/installing.html#packagefile
[20:10] <cce7> rewbycraft: no, i don't, I figure I may wait for offical release and see what other people with xmonad do
[20:11] <rewbycraft> trinode: You can get the deb http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html
[20:11] <rewbycraft> cce7: I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[20:11] <trinode> whoa it's not in the repos?
[20:11] <rewbycraft> cce7: It might indeed be a good idea to ask somebody who knows more about xmonad.
[20:11] <cce7> ah, it was great
[20:11] <rewbycraft> tinode: Nope. Heard good things about it though.
[20:12] <rewbycraft> trinode: zdnet about rEFInd: http://www.zdnet.com/the-refind-boot-loader-for-uefi-systems-7000010275/
[20:13] <trinode> you know what should be on the install cd? A script that you pass boot=/dev/sda1 root=/blah and it sets up a chroot
[20:13] <rewbycraft> trinode: It's easy enough to do though. 3 commands.
[20:13] <rewbycraft> trinode: 4 if you count making the directory
[20:13] <rewbycraft> trinode: okay, 5 if you count the chroot command itself.
[20:14] <trinode> I always forget to mount /boot and now /boot/efi or /dev /proc
[20:14] <rewbycraft> trinode: separate /boot part?
[20:14] <trinode> on this system no
[20:14] <trinode> but I often forget when I do
[20:15] <rewbycraft> trinode: my process http://pastebin.com/HBTP6DRc
[20:15] <rewbycraft> trinode: I just wrote that from the top of my head.
[20:17] <rewbycraft> trinode: I've done that about 20 times yesterday while building this 14.04 system. (Yay for nvidia drivers and disabled magic sysrq key)
[20:19] <rewbycraft> All right, I'm going to reboot to try trism's indicator-sound. BRB.
[20:21] <rewbycraft> All right, I'm back.
[20:21] <rewbycraft> trism: THANK YOU! Your indicator-sound works perfectly!
[20:22] <rewbycraft> trism: Let's just hope it doesn't randomly stop working now.
[20:22] <trism> rewbycraft: not really unfortunately mterry just pointed out to me that it does exist it is just not installed by default for some reason, it's in accountsservice-ubuntu-schemas
[20:22] <trism> rewbycraft: so you might want to revert that and install that package, then restart
[20:23] <mathuin> Does vino still work on trusty?  If so, can it be enabled/configured from the command line?
[20:23] <rewbycraft> trism: Darn. Well, TBH I was expecting a missing package. The nvidia drivers did this to me with as well. (They needed linux-headers to install but didn't include it as a dependency, nor did they give an error, dkms just did nothing)
[20:24] <rewbycraft> trism: Thanks anyways.
[20:25] <rewbycraft> All right, rebooting again.
[20:27] <rewbycraft> trism: I guess mterry was right.
[20:27] <rewbycraft> trism: Oh well, at least I have an idea on how to go about fixing my other broken indicators.
[20:29] <mathuin> 474 updated packages yay!
[20:29] <rewbycraft> trism: They're failing with "failed/lost bus ownership" errors. Time to go diving for conflicting dbus clients!
[20:29] <rewbycraft> Anyways, it's late here. Gonna go and sleep. Thanks all!
[20:36] <bekks> Someone please can clue me on how to add some more attractivity of the devs to fix this bug?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/1302529
[20:52] <Jordan_U> bekks: You could explicitly mark it as a regression.
[20:52] <bekks> Jordan_U: How would I do that? I havent worked on that much bugs until now :)
[20:53] <Jordan_U> bekks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RegressionTracking
[20:54] <Jordan_U> bekks: Personally, the fact that "hd0" still exists in any of the grub packaging is dissapointing to me.
[20:55] <bekks> :)
[20:56] <bekks> So basically I would have to add the tag "trusty" to the tags, and the regression data template to the comments?
[20:56] <Jordan_U> bekks: I would also add "grub2" as an affected source package, as that's likely where the problematic code actually is.
[20:57] <bekks> ah ok - but the above regarding tagging is correct so far?
[20:57] <TJ-> bekks: Could you add a custom script to the kickstart that reports the contents of "/boot/grub/device.map" so you know for sure what "(hd0)" is being translated to?
[20:59] <bekks> Sure, I'll do that. How do I add the to grub2 as affected package? Clicking on "also affects project" results in three choices, is "I want to add this upstream project to the bug report, but someone must find or report this bug in the upstream bug tracker." correct there?
[21:01] <Jordan_U> bekks: Also affects Distribution, counter intuitive as that is.
[21:02] <bekks> Now thats intuitive :D
[21:03] <Jordan_U> bekks: You would add the tag "regression-release", and I don't know for sure where the regression data is supposed to go, I expect in the body of the bug rather than as a comment.
[21:14] <bekks> Jordan_U: Uhm, there is no /boot/grub/device.map not /target/boot/grub/device.map to be found. :(
[21:14] <Jordan_U> bekks: That's a good thing :)
[21:15] <Jordan_U> device.map has died the fiery death that it deserved :)
[21:15] <bekks> Jordan_U: :D You just scared me ;)
[21:16] <bekks> I've updated the bug meanwhile, maybe you want to take a look for mor clues about tags, distributions to be added, etc.?
[21:26] <TJ-> bekks: What is annoying is the code in grub-installer prints that error based on a the return code from "grub-install" but fails to report the error code in the output!
[21:27] <TJ-> bekks: Are you running the installation over a PXE/NFS boot? If so, you could temporarily tweak the grub-installer script to get additional output
[21:32] <bekks> TJ-: I am running it using the 14.04 server cd, and adding "toram ks=http://mylocalwebserver/ubuntutest.ks" to the kernel options prior booting. The result stays the same without "toram".
[21:32] <bekks> I'll add that to the bug report.
[21:34] <bekks> Updated. :)
[21:35] <TJ-> bekks: After reading the grub-installer code, I think this may be the bug you're experiencing: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666974
[21:35] <TJ-> bekks: Ignore the title, but the user analysis of the code path that affects/set bootdev looks like a match for your issue, from my reading of it
[21:37] <TJ-> ekks: In particular, the use shows a way to grab detailed debug information.. search for the phrase "I was able to stop the installer at the end and ran grub-installer again" and read from there
[21:39] <TJ-> bekks: Looks to be tracked in Ubuntu as bug #1012629
[21:39] <bekks> TJ-: I'm gonna read that first URL - I guess its pretty in-depth :)
[21:40] <bekks> Shall I reference #1012629 in my bug?
[21:41] <TJ-> bekks: Might be good to gather your own similar debug output for analysis first, because that will make it possible to compare both scenarios to see if they're linked or not
[21:42] <TJ-> bekks: The bit I like is where the user re-runs grub-installer with the -vx shell options to capture the shell script operations line-by-line, so you can see what env vars resolve to
[21:42] <bekks> TJ-: II'll do that first then.
[21:47] <bekks> I have to create the next bug as well. It is literally unbelievable that there is no scp available in tty2/3
[21:47] <bekks> :)
[21:53] <bekks> TJ-: I get a somehow strange output when running that sh ... command: http://pastebin.com/hEMMHcLC
[21:59] <TJ-> bekks: Looks like terminal (colour) escape codes
[22:11] <TJ-> bekks: Looking at the debug steps in the Debian bug, did you gather the output of "grub-mkdevicemap --no-floppy -m -" manually?
[22:16] <trinode> someone talking about grub bugs?
[22:17] <trinode> dont think its the same though
[22:39] <bekks> TJ-: That output is: "(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB76166415-0cddbf19"
[22:40] <TJ-> bekks: OK, and have you confirmed that that symlink eventually points to a real block device "readlink -e   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB76166415-0cddbf19" ?
[22:41] <bekks> TJ-: That outputs "/dev/sda"
[22:41] <TJ-> bekks: OK, so it's not a dangling symlink.
[22:42] <TJ-> bekks: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" report?
[22:43] <bekks> TJ-: It shows sda1 with about 256M type 83 and sda2 with ~10GB type 8e -- that corresponds to the kickstart file where both partitions are defined like that.
[22:45] <TJ-> bekks: OK, so we're slowly narrowing down the perimeter of the bug to likely being an internal grub issue rather than incorrect d-i configuration or actions
[22:46] <TJ-> bekks: next thing is, I guess, to manually reproduce the grub-install step and see what error number it returns
[22:46] <bekks> TJ-: that would be "grub-install /dev/sda" then?
[22:47] <TJ-> bekks: "chroot /target" then "grub-install --force "(hd0)"; echo "result: $?"    "
[22:49] <bekks> TJ-: That outputs "grub-install: error: disk 'hd0' not found.\n result: 1"
[22:49] <TJ-> bekks: "grub-install --version"
[22:50] <bekks> TJ-: "grub-install (GRUB) 2.02~beta2-8"
[22:51] <TJ-> bekks: OK, same here
[22:53] <TJ-> bekks: bear with me; I'm reading the GRUB source
[22:54] <bekks> TJ-: I really, really do appreciate that :)
[22:56] <TJ-> bekks: There seem to be 2 places where that error is generated:
[22:56] <TJ-> grub-core/kern/disk.c:236:      grub_error (GRUB_ERR_UNKNOWN_DEVICE, N_("disk `%s' not found"),
[22:56] <TJ-> grub-core/net/net.c:1361:  grub_error (GRUB_ERR_UNKNOWN_DEVICE, N_("disk `%s' not found"),
[22:58] <TJ-> bekks: I think we can discount the 'net' path so I'll look at the 'kern'
[23:06] <trinode> if I were to switch from grub to something else, what else re-generates it's list when I update kernels automatically?
[23:06] <TJ-> bekks: My reading is that in grub_disk_open(name)  "for (dev = grub_disk_dev_list; dev; dev = dev->next)" leaves dev == NULL. That infers that "grub_disk_dev_list" is empty. That should be built using  "grub_disk_dev_register (grub_disk_dev_t dev)"
[23:08] <TJ-> trinode: That effect is from a post-inst hook script in "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/"
[23:08] <trinode> TJ-: do other bootloaders take advantage of that?
[23:10] <bekks> TJ-: that sounds like it should generate the device list, but actually isnt?
[23:11] <TJ-> bekks: I'm locating the call sites for that function to figure out how it is supposed to work
[23:12] <bekks> TJ-: I wish I could be a bit more helpful, but I'm afraid I cant, due to lacking experience in programming
[23:14] <TJ-> bekks: Looking at the source to grub-install, it seems it sets an environment flag "debug=all" when it is passed "--verbose" .. try re-running it with that in case it provides additional output
[23:15] <bekks> TJ-: Wow, it does. :D I'll pastebin it, it scrolled a bit ;)
[23:17] <bekks> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232850/
[23:17] <TJ-> Add that to the bug report, that's useful!
[23:18] <TJ-> bekks: The virtual disk size is ~ 20GB ?
[23:20] <TJ-> bekks: key part I think: "root is `(null)', dest is `hd0'."
[23:21] <bekks> TJ-: the virtual disk is about 10.7GB as seen by fdisk -l, and was created as 10GB in virtualbox.
[23:21] <TJ-> bekks: Oh yeah! sectors are 512 bytes not 1024... I multiplied by the wrong value :)
[23:22] <bekks> TJ-: Yeah, that sounds like it is the issue, if root isnt equal to dest
[23:25] <TJ-> bekks: In util/setup.c::SETUP() it has "grub_util_info ("root is `%s', dest is `%s'", root, dest);" ... but the root variable is never assigned a value other than NULL. Not sure if that's relevant or expected, but it seems 'strange'
[23:28] <bekks> that would correspond to the empty list of devices, wouldnt it?
[23:28] <TJ-> bekks: Yes, which, I think takes us back to the debian-installer passing "hd0" ... does it work if you replace grub-install's "(hd0)" with "/dev/sda"  ?
[23:31] <bekks> TJ-: Works fine with /dev/sda, this is the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232885/
[23:31] <bekks> Shall I attach it as well?
[23:32] <TJ-> bekks: Yes. So, it looks like (maybe) a change in grub to deprecate the devicemap form ... let me look at the changelogs
[23:33] <bekks> Bug updated.
[23:35] <bekks> TJ-: I really do appreciate your efforts - please excuse having to head to bed now, a toddler is waiting for me in less than 5 hours ;) As you might know, I'm around here, so you can just message me.
[23:37] <TJ-> bekks: Sure; there's enough there now to point to a change required in "grub-installer" in the debian-installer suite
[23:37] <bekks> TJ-: Thank you :)
[23:43] <trinode> ok, this update-grub thing has me stumped
[23:44] <TJ-> trinode: Why?
[23:44] <trinode> fresh install = ok
[23:44] <trinode> don't do anything
[23:45] <trinode> run update-grub
[23:45] <trinode> fails to boot
[23:45] <trinode> I _wish_ I had an error or something
[23:47] <TJ-> Did you use Shift key to access the grub boot menu, and then try the Recovery option?
[23:47] <trinode> TJ I don't get into grub, at all
[23:48] <trinode> efi bootmanager menu shows up
[23:48] <trinode> hit "ubuntu"
[23:48] <trinode> flicker
[23:48] <trinode> back to bootmanager
[23:48] <TJ-> trinode: OK, EFI, so you can do things manually too. Does the system provide an EFI shell?
[23:48] <trinode> I wish :)
[23:49] <trinode> no shell on lenovo laptops
[23:49] <TJ-> You should add "shellx64.efi" to the EFI system partition then
[23:50] <trinode> TJ-: you actually know about this stuff? I've been banging my head on the desk
[23:50] <TJ-> I do :)
[23:51] <TJ-> On EFI, the first thing I do is install shellx64.efi and add it to the system's boot menu, then I can do real 'stuff' when problems occur
[23:51] <trinode> I'm just reinstalling (shouldn't be long) then where do I find that shell efi file?
[23:56] <TJ-> Shell v2 from the Intel Tianocore EFI project, there are several pre-built binaries for it. I grabbed mine from the edk2 project on sourceforge. The file is "shell.efi" which I rename to "shellx64.efi" to make clear it's the x86_64 but version. http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/
[23:57] <TJ-> trinode: Before you reboot the installed system, you can use the installer environment to copy that file to "/boot/efi/" and then use efibootmgr to add an entry to the system's EFI boot menu
[23:58] <trinode> TJ-: dammit! already rebooted, and it's not booting
[23:58] <trinode> :(
[23:59] <trinode> Live cd it is