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exedore6So, I updated today, and my libvirt kvm setup broke. I think it's something to do with apparmor, but I haven't figured it out yet.00:43
johnjohn101exedore6: is it this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/124525100:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1245251 in libvirt (Ubuntu Saucy) "Apparmor blocks usb devices in libvirt in Saucy" [High,Fix released]00:44
exedore6I don't know. my libvirtd.log is complaining about a profile libvirt-36644937-1d58-83f8-1cb6-2defcb4c658b00:46
trismexedore6: looks like an old bug, bug 79999700:47
ubottubug 799997 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "error happen when using virsh to start a vm " internal error cannot generate AppArmor profile"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79999700:47
exedore6no, I just looked at the changelog... my vm is trying to use the now reverted trusty machine type00:53
exedore6Got it. because I made the vm with the unmatched libvirt, it had the wrong machine type. By changing it to 'pc' it worked. not a bug, just a moving target01:01
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roastedhello friends03:27
roastedis there a 'service' or osmething for web apps?03:27
roastedgoogle calendar is suddenly not opening, but gmail is. kind of wondering if I can restart something (besides the computer)03:28
holsteinroasted: those are internet destinations03:51
roastedholstein: I ended up rebooting, but gcal is still not loading.03:51
holsteinroasted: those are not on your machine, friend03:52
roastedholstein: I assume it's a bug then03:52
holsteinroasted: thats likely the issue.. you should always, as they say, assume nothing03:53
roastedhardy har :P03:53
holsteinroasted: you'll do well to do some normal neworking tests03:53
roasteddo you have the gcal webapp installed by chance?03:53
holsteinroasted: ping the desintations.. ping the router.. check your NDS configurations03:53
holsteinroasted: i use google calendar03:53
roastedwebapp too?03:54
holsteinroasted: im not sure what connontes "the webapp"03:54
roastedthe.. webapp. the unity integration with it.03:54
holsteinits not an application, but its on the internet03:54
roasted"Calendar" in the dash results03:54
holsteinroasted: i dont use unity, but thats just opening the webpage03:54
holsteinroasted: you can test seperately by using just a web browser, and not "the webapp"03:55
roastedon Unity, accessing google calendar prompts if you want the webapp03:55
roastedcalendar is fine on firefox03:55
roastedit's specifically the webapp03:55
holsteinroasted: i dont use it.. sounds like either a bug, or the shortcut to the web page (which is what i understand that to be) is corrupted03:56
holsteinroasted: you can remove the current shortcut, and try making another, and test03:56
roastedha, damn thing won't even uninstall03:57
holsteinroasted: likely since nothing is installed.. and its just a shortcut to the web page that shows up as a native looking application03:57
roastedright03:58
roastedlike chromeos apps03:58
roastedglorified bookmark03:58
roastedI removed the calendar.desktop item in ~/.local/share/applications but now I cant reinstall it04:07
roastedeven rebooted, went to firefox, calendar, never prompted. and it's not in the exceptions list...04:07
roastedguess it just needed *all* traces of google removed from the exceptions, and not just the calendar specific one. just got the prompt.04:08
roastedand it works. joyyy.04:09
roasteddoesn't launch if I pin it to unity bar, but if I launch it from dash, it works. Even if I pin that working instance, close, and reopen, doesn't work.04:10
roastedgmail too. :(04:11
holsteinroasted: maybe just give it some time, and patience04:11
holsteinroasted: seems like you are not really sure what is broken or why, as i read above04:12
holsteinroasted: i tend to be the kind of guy who doesnt wait for the promt.. if i want a launcher, i make it..04:12
holsteinroasted: you may be having just "growing pains" moving to the latest version of unity04:13
roastedholstein: growing pains?04:13
roastedreally?04:13
roastedthese are clearly actual issues with the latest updates. These items were working an hour ago before I updated.04:14
roastedNot that I'm frustrated at that, I am after all on a beta release...04:14
holsteinroasted: cool.. enjoy !04:14
roastedhey. thanks.04:15
holsteini know i usually blow out my user configs for things, and test.. temporarily moving them, or just using a new user04:15
roastedI fail to see what else I can do aside from removing the .desktop file it creates.04:16
roastedafter all, it's just a glorified link04:16
roastedbut it does pipe into the ubuntu 'web browser' so maybe that's an issue04:17
holsteinroasted: have you tried as a different user? or removing or moving your users config?04:17
roastedI removed the relevant file04:17
roastedthen reinstalled the webapp altogether04:17
holsteinroasted: consider removing your user config from the equation04:17
roastedso far what I've read online suggests that removing the file I did effectively removes the entirety of the webapp04:17
roastedyeah - I'm not doing that on this machine tonight. :P04:18
roastedI'm far too exhausted to cause something to explode over a dinky webapp04:18
roastedI'll see what updates come tomorrow and work on it fresh.04:18
holsteinyou can just create a new user, or test as the guest user.. or just move yours temporarily and reboot04:18
holsteinits quite simple, and something i just expect to do with beta software04:19
dw1sometimes gnome-screensaver loads twice.  yesterday i killed both and restarted it and it was fine for a bit, but today i found 2 loaded again.  i dont get the double lock screen others reported, but when both are loaded one of them goes off at interval (every 10 mins) and is unaffected by system activity, caffeine, etc05:59
dw1ill set up a script to monitor the situation and try to figure out more and file a bug i guess06:01
Ben64i think the screensaver problems are known already06:02
dw1i saw some bugs about double lock screens but they were supposedly fixed and i have the fixed package06:04
dw1in VLC the audio is unstable, sometimes turning off.  if i try to skip ahead in a movie, I get high CPU usage for 3+ minutes then video finally resumes but audio has crashed.  VLC/LibVLC still shows in pavucontrol but no sound07:36
dw1ALSA audio mode doesn't seem to crash, but still major delays when skipping, the further ahead the longer the delay07:44
dw1I only mention it because it only happened after upgrade to Trusty07:55
lordievaderGood morning.07:55
dw1ok its just on one video. hmm08:06
trinodehey, I'm using a daily (tried ubuntu gnome and standard) and it simply won't boot after an UEFI install08:40
trinodeit has the "ubuntu" entry in the system options08:40
trinodewhen the computer boots it drops back to select boot device menu08:41
trinodehitting ubuntu flashes black for a second or 2 then back to the menu08:41
trinodeenabling CSM allows booting, but I guess if it needs that there's something seriously wrong?08:41
dw1my screensaver issue seems to happen whenever i unplug or replug the power on laptop.  possibly something to do with jupiter power saver09:55
dw1un/replugging causes a second copy of gnome-screensaver to launch09:55
dw1yep, purging jupiter fixed it10:03
Dynalonshort question: is today's daily build the same as the RC (scheduled for today?). Are there any major reasons to wait for the RC instead of todays dailly build?10:04
bekksDynalon: If you ask like that, maybe you should wait for the release ;)10:13
Dynalonbekks: I need an env to build and test my project (and maybe create a package), and I want it ready on release date - so no, waiting for release is not an option10:17
DynalonI am installing today, I was just unsure if there is serious reason to wait a few hours until the RC is ready but i guess not10:18
bekksThen just a daily build and run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.10:18
bekks*just use10:18
mduncI had problems with yesterday's daily build's installer.  Refused to install on a RAID 0 and just gave an error containing "???? ?????"10:42
mduncThe beta2 iso gave that strange error too, but it still continued with the installation.10:42
johnjohn101one more week. omg11:49
trijntjeHi all, I'm suddenly unable to switch viewports with my mouse buttons, any ideas how to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/130581812:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1305818 in compiz (Ubuntu) "mouse button to switch workspace stopped working" [Undecided,New]12:19
pencilnubhello. will the RC landing in the release section under cdimages.ubuntu today?12:41
pencilnub14.04 RC of course.12:42
pencilnubprevious versions are not found there, only betas. so i wonder where the RC will pop up.12:43
BluesKaj'Morning folks13:31
utackhow did no one mention the best improvement all over ubuntu 14.04. backspace in nautilus works as expected!13:41
jlucDoes search in nautilus automaticaly adds an "Emplacement" column ?14:09
jlucAnd can all columns be set to any width even when the Emplacement column is there and when names of other colums are sometime very small ?14:09
jlucthese would be the best improvements14:10
trinodeok, a system that boots in uefi + csm is destroyed by running update-grub14:47
trinodeit's a fresh install14:47
trinode(or was)14:47
kai_Hello14:49
kai_I am currently unable to get Steam client running from .deb or USC14:49
kai_due to "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"14:50
kai_steam-launcher: Depends: jockey-common but it is not going to be installed14:50
kai_help?14:50
kai_steam-launcher: Depends: jockey-common but it is not going to be installed14:51
kai_                Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.19-0ubuntu3 is to be installed14:51
kai_hey14:58
k1l_what ubuntu is that exactly?15:00
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SyltmanHey is 14.04 release candidate out?15:38
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lordievader!schedule15:51
ubottuA schedule of Trusty Tahr (14.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule15:51
lordievaderSyltman: Hmm, should be today, but yet I see nothing rc'ish on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/15:51
OEPhas anyone noticed if the init script for uwsgi does not properly kill processes when you restart?16:32
OEPor is it just me :P16:32
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cce7Hi.  Is there anyway to convert from UbuntuGNOME to just plain Ubuntu?  I'm trying to use XMonad, and, I'm not sure how I should/can start it.16:50
cce7The login window no longer has an option to pick the window manager (like it did last release, but I think that's because I picked the wrong sub-distribution)16:51
* cce7 just isn't sure how to tell Ubuntu how to use xmonad for my window manager. Also, Trusty doesn't seem to be saving my multi-window configuration, it keeps getting reset.16:52
cce7Thanks for any help....16:52
* cce7 lingers for a while.16:52
bulletxtHi, Cups 1.7.2 came out today. Do you think ubuntu 14.04 will be able to get it into it ?16:58
mathuinbulletxt: looks like Feb 20 was feature freeze -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze has more details.17:04
bulletxtok but hopefully there can be some exception on bugfix release? :|17:04
bulletxtthere are some serious issues on 1.7.1 that is blocking my work17:05
bulletxtI opened the ticket hopefully someone will listen to me :(   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/130614117:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1306141 in cups (Ubuntu) "cups 1.7.2 into ubuntu 14.04" [Undecided,New]17:05
mathuinIt *may* be worth asking in #ubuntu-devel, but I don't know what to tell you.17:06
mathuinThat page I linked said that exceptions should be granted if the upload contains only bug fixes.17:06
mathuinhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess has mor einformation.17:07
mathuinYou've already filed the bug.  Include the other info, subscribe it to the ubuntu-release team, and cross your fingers. ;-)17:07
MneuroIs the release candidate going tobe a seperate release from the daily build?17:07
trinodeis being unable to get into grub in a uefi install a major bug?17:07
trinodeThough I think it's lenovo's fault17:10
DJonestrinode: I have a lenovo laptop & don't have any issues with grub17:11
trinodeDJones: you got a Lx40 or Tx40?17:11
trinode(newest models)17:12
DJonestrinode: No, Y510P17:12
trinodeis that the foldy one?17:12
trinode:)17:12
DJonesno, its not17:12
trinodethey seemed to have borked the UEFI mode, I can boot if I enable legacy, my Dell laptop works fine17:12
DJonestrinode: This one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-15-6-inch-Processor-Graphics-Windows/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397149980&sr=8-2&keywords=lenovo+y510p17:13
trinode(using the same install disc, dell can boot in complete UEFI only mode, the Lenovo sits there for a bit then the bios boot list shows, you can pick "ubuntu" then it flickers for a second and goes back to the boot choices)17:14
trinodeif you enable CSM it boots, but that's not even a good answer, any time you run install-grub(2) it becomes unbootable completely17:15
trinodethey actually had a major bug in the bioses earlier which meant the T540 could be completely bricked by installing / booting linux17:17
MneuroIs the release candidate going tobe a seperate release from the daily build?17:18
bekksMneuro: It will be the daily build on the day of the release of the RC.17:19
MneuroThe daily build is already out, that means that is the release candidate?17:19
bekksMneuro: No.17:19
bekksMneuro: The RC will just have "release candidate" in its name, with the same state of software as the daily build.17:20
MneuroIf I install the daily build that is out right now, it will be the same thing essentially, right?17:20
bekksMneuro: Essentially, yes.17:21
Mneurook thanks17:21
Syltmanawesome17:22
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topspritzWill the release candidate today include the openSSL fix?17:45
rewbycraftLet's hope it does.17:45
topspritzAny idea what time the .iso is being released today?17:48
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alketis RC out ?17:58
Meerkatwouldn't be much of a release candidate if it didn't18:02
Meerkat^ regarding the openssl issue.18:02
alketMeerkat: not sure if I understood you18:03
rewbycraftMeerkat: It doesn't. But they backported the patch.18:04
PiciIt contains the ssl fix as much as any other supported release of Ubuntu contains the fix.18:04
rewbycraftAnybody know why a bunch of my indicators have vanished? (According to the logs: ** (process:1206): CRITICAL **: file /build/buildd/indicator-sound-12.10.2+14.04.20140401/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src/volume-control.c: line 1775: uncaught error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: No such interface (g-dbus-error-quark, 16) for sound).18:06
rewbycraftAlthough datetime and  session give dbus errors too.18:07
trismrewbycraft: I'm getting that error too, so that's probably not the issue because my indicators are still working fine18:22
darius77Is there any documentation for bugs fixed between Beta 2 of 14.04 and the final release?18:23
rewbycrafttrism: Darn it. I was hoped I was onto something. In that case assertion '_tmp1_ == PA_CONTEXT_READY' failed is probably the cause. The weird part is that sometimes the indicator works and sometimes not.18:59
cce7I installed GNOMEUbuntu, is there anyway to go to regular Ubuntu so I could get the login screen that lets me pick the window manager?19:02
rewbycraftcce7: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm19:02
cce7oh, cool; then, xmonad may appear in wm drop down choice list?19:02
cce7rewbycraft: thank you, doing that now19:02
rewbycraftcce7: It'll ask you which display manager  to use. Pick lightdm. It's the ubuntu default and lets you pick (can't vouch for xmonad, but works well with kde, unity, gnome2, xfce and lxde). PS. You have to reboot.19:03
cce7ok!19:04
cce7thanks so much19:04
* cce7 crosses fingers.19:04
* rewbycraft crosses fingers with cce719:04
cce7rewbycraft: you don't happen to know how to get the display settings (for mulitple monitors) to be sticky, they reset on logout or reboot.19:06
rewbycraftcce7: Depends on gfx card manufacturer. Nvidia, AMD/ATI or Intel19:06
cce7It's a geforce adapter & 3 monitors, the orientation has wrong defaults ;)19:07
cce7So, NVidia19:07
rewbycraftcce7: The proper way for NVidia is to run nvidia-settings as root with sudo and it should stick. (I have a nvidia card in this laptop as well.)19:07
cce7Thanks!19:08
cce7I'm sorry I'm such a noob at graphic stuff.19:08
* cce7 is a fish out of water till i gots me xmonad back & terminal.19:08
rewbycraftcce7: At least, with the binary driver. Which I recommend because it gives better FPS and noveau is kinda broken right now.19:08
trinodeok, so I'm trying to figure out what's breaking when I run install-grub, does anyone know what files it would actually modify?19:09
rewbycrafttrinode: Any errors?19:09
rewbycrafttrinode: On EFI-systems it will mess with your ESP partitition and /boot. On Legacy/BIOS systems just /boot19:09
rewbycraftOh, and MBR as well on BIOS systems19:10
trinoderewbycraft: it's an efi system19:10
trinodebut I have to enable CSM for it to boot19:10
trinodeso it could think it's either19:10
rewbycraftCSM?19:11
trinodecompatibility something something19:11
trinode:)19:11
trinodeadds some bios bits back in19:11
rewbycraftI have UEFI on my laptop. Works quite well. If you have to enable compat than you are running legacy mode.19:12
rewbycraftI recommend grub-efi.19:12
rewbycraftIt has worked painlessly for me.19:12
rewbycraftAlthough some HP systems can be a pain (they don't obey the rules set by grub-install).19:12
rewbycraftYou might wanna try boot-repair.19:13
rewbycraftThere's no trusty version in the ppa yet but it works just fine if you manually install the saucy debs from the ppa.19:13
trinodenot quite legacy mode, it's weird it's halfway you still have all the EFI stuff, and I'm using grub-efi-amd64, I have a choice of legacy mode or EFI with CSM or pure EFI19:13
trinodeevery time I run grub-install I end up having to run boot repair19:13
rewbycraftAh. I'd say your EFI system doesn't play nice with linux.19:14
rewbycraftI don't see why you'd need to install grub more than once. update-grub will work just fine.19:14
rewbycraftJust install grub, run boot-repair and it should work.19:14
trinodeI meant update-grub, sorry19:14
trinodebeen a long day of shouting at the laptop :)19:15
rewbycraftHmm. Weird.19:15
rewbycraftupdate-grub shouldn't be messing with any files that can require boot-repair.19:15
rewbycraftAre you getting any errors or just a "no boot medium found" kind of message.19:15
rewbycraftAlso, disable secure-boot.19:15
rewbycraftIf you have it.19:15
trinodejust a repeating boot manager prompt for boot device19:16
trinodesb is disabled19:16
rewbycraftCan you take a pic of the bootmanager prompt and paste the link here19:16
trinodeas is quick boot / fastboot / instant start stuff19:16
rewbycraft?19:16
trinodeI have a youtube clip of it in action :)19:16
rewbycraftLink?19:16
trinodeone sec19:17
trinodehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iou15wGo4js19:17
rewbycraftI'll check it out. One sec.19:17
trinodejust won't get as far as grub / grub dies19:18
rewbycraftTry changing the boot mode in the uefi settings startup tab.19:19
rewbycraftTo normal.19:19
rewbycraftAnd set UEFI Only to Legacy19:19
rewbycraftGood thing I have a lenovo with a similar bios.19:19
rewbycraftAlthough the CSM thing is something i don't have.19:20
trinodeit's the new model19:20
trinodeone of them that could be bricked by installing linux19:20
rewbycraftAh, mine is 1.5 years old.19:20
rewbycraftIt's not bricked.19:20
rewbycraftI think your ESP part is messed up.19:20
trinodenah, they fixed it in a bios update19:20
rewbycraftFixed what?19:20
trinodethe bricking19:20
trinodeI can't brick it, but booting, they might be working on that! :)19:21
rewbycraftMine didn't brick. It just worked (tm). (No seriously, it worked.) But I've messed with it enough to know my way around.19:21
rewbycraftYou understand the difference between how UEFI boots and how BIOS used to work, right?19:22
trinodeI understand there's a partition that has grub and windows' loader in (if I had windows)19:22
trinodeI'm not sure on a technical level but I get the overview19:23
rewbycraftOkay, you don't know the whole thing. Want me to explain?19:23
trinodeI've been playing with efibootmgr and it seems fine19:23
clark_Ah, thanks, I have xmonad ;)19:23
trinode(the ubuntu entry looks like it points to the right place19:24
trinode)19:24
clark_Now, I have monitors sideways; and when I use control-center to change them it says:  Failed to apply configuration: %s  GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Debus.Error.ServiceUknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDeamon was not provided by any .service files19:24
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rewbycrafttrinode: There are multiple managers on a computer. On the ESP partitition there is /EFI/ubuntu/grub<whatever>19:24
rewbycraftclark7: Doesn't the nvidia-settings have something for that?19:25
clark7it brings up a almost-blank dialog (nvdia-settings) since I don't think I have nvida drivers yet ;(19:26
trinodegrubx64.efi19:26
clark7(reading sideways is fun)19:26
rewbycraftclark7: I have nvidia-331-updates. nvidia-settings has a rotation tab under x server display configuration.19:27
rewbycrafttrinode: No grub.cfg file?19:27
clark7I'll see if I an find out how to get nvidia drivers19:27
rewbycraftclark7: sudo apt-get install nvidia-331-updates.19:28
trinoderewbycraft: CSM = "for booting legacy os, both legacy and UEFI boots are feasable"19:28
rewbycraftclark7: (without the dot)19:28
rewbycrafttrinode: If you're missing grub.cfg it doesn't matter. Grub has no config in that case.19:28
trinodeI do have :)19:28
clark7GTX76019:28
clark7ok19:28
trinoderewbycraft: in legacy mode I get that boot loop, in UEFI mode I get that boot loop19:28
trinodein UEFI with CSM it boots19:29
rewbycrafttrinode: Let me do some research.19:29
trinodegrub looks aweful though, I wonder if it's trying to set display using a method not in UEFI unless I enable CSM19:29
trinode*awful19:29
rewbycrafttrinode: Look at rEFInd. I'm contemplating installing it on my laptop as well because it looks awesome. Haven't had the time to do it yet though.19:30
rewbycraftclark7: Any luck yet? You might have to reboot for the nvidia driver to work. And you will also make sure you run: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg19:31
rewbycraftclark7: nvidia drivers are a downright pain to install but you'll be very happy once you have19:31
clark7rebooting then ;)19:32
trinodeI don't recognise any of the syntax in the efi grub.cfg19:32
trinodewell, I follow the second and third line, but the first :/19:32
rewbycrafttrinode: If yours is any like mine it works like this:19:33
rewbycrafttrinode: (this will take a while to type, be patient)19:33
rewbycrafttrinode: It is telling grub to set your linux partition as the active partition (fs_uuid is the same one you can find with blkid). Then it's telling it to add /boot/grub to the search path. And then it's telling grub to use the grub.cfg in /boot/grub/grub.cfg to replace the current one.19:36
rewbycrafttrinode: You wanna look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg for indications as to what might be wrong.19:36
trinodeis there a way to make it just use a text screen instead of that purple "graphical" screen?19:37
trinodeI've seen it do it, but never set it up to do so19:37
rewbycrafttrinode: In /etc/default/grub, uncomment the GRUB_TERMINAL line and run sudo update-grub19:37
rewbycrafttrinode: Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ( and the output of sudo blkid )? I wanna take a look and see what it's trying to do.19:39
trinodeyup, unbootable19:39
trinode:/19:39
trinodegonna live cd it19:39
rewbycrafttrinode: Can you pastebin the file like I asked? I'm curious as to how different it is from mine.19:40
* cce7 bings very happily.19:40
rewbycraftcce7: Did reconfigure work?19:40
cce7rewbycraft: yes, it's great ;)19:40
trinoderewbycraft: which file?19:40
rewbycraftcce7: Great!19:40
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rewbycrafttrinode: /boot/grub/grub.cfg19:40
cce7The only thing I have to figure out now, is how to restore the "gnome panel" thing up at the top ;)19:40
rewbycraftcce7: Unity one?19:40
cce7But... this is brilliant, my older xmonad config worked.19:40
lonelyduckwhen will release candidate available to download19:41
rewbycraftcce7: You can (re-) install unity with sudo apt-get install unity19:41
trinoderewbycraft: ok, I'll get you both before and after repair19:41
cce7I guess so.  It's the one with the plugins to see wireless, sound, time, user, shutdown, etc.19:41
rewbycraftlonelyduck: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/19:41
rewbycraftcce7: Yep unity.19:41
cce7ok, installing ;)19:42
cce7is it called gnome-panel or what do they call it this release ;)19:42
rewbycraftcce7: You should be able to pick it from the gear icon in the login screen. Not sure if it'll use xmonad though.19:42
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cce7Ah, I think it might be an older gnome 2d panel19:42
rewbycraftcce7: The default one is unity. It looks like gnome 2d.19:43
cce7"unity-panel-service" and "unity-2d-panel" ... I'll try those19:43
rewbycraftcce7: just run sudo apt-get install unity (it'll install everything19:43
rewbycraftcce7: "unity" is a metapackage that'll pull everything it needs19:44
cce7ya, did that.. unity-2d-panel seems to not exist anymore ;)19:44
* cce7 is looking for some sort of status panel that integrates with all the gnome apps19:44
rewbycraftcce7: It does on mine.19:44
rewbycraftcce7: apt-cache shows it just fine for me. But I'm pretty sure you want the normal unity.19:44
lonelyduckbut that no rc19:45
cce7unity-2d-panel - transitional dummy package19:46
cce7it's definately a dummy ;)19:46
rewbycraftlonelyduck: there is no real rc i think. All builds use the same repo, I use daily live for my 14.04 install.19:46
cce7Getting the panel to work in each ubuntu release is always fun!19:46
lonelyduckrewbycraft: thnx19:47
rewbycraftcce7: unity-2d is unity without the 3d stuff. The dummy packages will pull it anyways.19:47
rewbycraftIt shows in the login screen under the little gear next to your name as "Ubuntu" (don't ask why).19:48
trismrewbycraft: fixed the dbus error, I'm also getting the pa error so I'm not sure that's it either19:49
rewbycrafttirsm: Darn it. How did you fix the dbus error though??19:49
rewbycrafttrism: ^ (i typod your name)19:49
cce7rewbycraft: I'm afraid stand-alone unity-2d-panel is no longer in /usr/bin19:49
cce7So, it's probably replaced with something clever19:49
rewbycraftcce7: I'm using normal unity and it I checked screenshots of gnome-2d, you want unity.19:50
trismrewbycraft: it was connecting to the wrong interface, com.ubuntu.AccountsService.Sound which doesn't exist, it's actually com.canonical.indicator.sound.AccountsService19:50
rewbycrafttrism: *groan* Do I really have to go and edit vala code?19:51
trismrewbycraft: no I sent a merge request so hopefully gone soon19:52
rewbycrafttrism: Can you give me a link? I wanna try a build of it.19:52
cce7rewbycraft: this is still great progress, thank you for helping me get up and running with trusty19:52
trismrewbycraft: https://code.launchpad.net/~jconti/indicator-sound/fix-vc-interface19:53
rewbycraftcce7: Sure. NP.19:53
rewbycrafttrism: Alrighty, building now. Fingers crossed.19:53
* cce7 still wonders if there's a stand-alone panel to replace unity-2d-panel19:55
rewbycraftcce7: I don't think there is. Unless you wanna dive deep into the horrors of X1119:55
cce7oh no... not I19:55
cce7In 12.04 the setup is pretty sweet, unity-2d-panel is top N pixels, the rest is xmonad ;)19:56
cce7so, you have accesss to battery, time, sound, mail, etc.19:56
rewbycraftcce7: Maybe if you can get xmonad to use /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service then yes, you can. I haven't used it so i'm applying my general linux/X11/unity knowledge here.19:58
rewbycraftcce7: /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service does the top bar.19:59
cce7it's a noop visually currently, probably it needs missing pieces20:01
* cce7 should get back to work though.20:01
rewbycraftcce7: I can pastebin my process list if it helps.20:01
cce7rewbycraft: I really apprechiate your help, thank you.20:01
cce7sure!20:02
rewbycraftcce7: No Problem.20:02
rewbycraftcce7: One sec.20:02
trinoderewbycraft: http://paste.ubuntu.com/723226020:03
rewbycraftcce7: http://pastebin.com/RVNkgUPB See if any of these processes helps (ignore my random desktop programs)20:03
rewbycrafttrinode: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo blkid" as well?20:04
rewbycrafttrinode: That way I have something to reference it against.20:05
trinoderewbycraft: http://paste.ubuntu.com/723227120:05
rewbycrafttrinode: This confuses me. It is as if it isn't even trying to load grub, because sans the obvious uuid and partition numbering differences (which are normal) they are identical.20:08
rewbycrafttrinode: Can you try rEFInd?20:09
rewbycrafttrinode: Maybe it can do what grub is failing to do right now.20:09
cce7rewbycraft: thank you, I don't see anything obvious either i'll email ;)20:09
* cce7 waves.20:09
trinodemaybe, or give a meaningful error20:09
rewbycraftcce7: Do you have my mail?20:09
rewbycrafttrinode: Exacty.20:09
rewbycraft*exactly20:09
trinoderewbycraft: you got any howto links?20:10
rewbycrafttrinode: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/installing.html#packagefile20:10
cce7rewbycraft: no, i don't, I figure I may wait for offical release and see what other people with xmonad do20:10
rewbycrafttrinode: You can get the deb http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html20:11
rewbycraftcce7: I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.20:11
trinodewhoa it's not in the repos?20:11
rewbycraftcce7: It might indeed be a good idea to ask somebody who knows more about xmonad.20:11
cce7ah, it was great20:11
rewbycrafttinode: Nope. Heard good things about it though.20:11
rewbycrafttrinode: zdnet about rEFInd: http://www.zdnet.com/the-refind-boot-loader-for-uefi-systems-7000010275/20:12
trinodeyou know what should be on the install cd? A script that you pass boot=/dev/sda1 root=/blah and it sets up a chroot20:13
rewbycrafttrinode: It's easy enough to do though. 3 commands.20:13
rewbycrafttrinode: 4 if you count making the directory20:13
rewbycrafttrinode: okay, 5 if you count the chroot command itself.20:13
trinodeI always forget to mount /boot and now /boot/efi or /dev /proc20:14
rewbycrafttrinode: separate /boot part?20:14
trinodeon this system no20:14
trinodebut I often forget when I do20:14
rewbycrafttrinode: my process http://pastebin.com/HBTP6DRc20:15
rewbycrafttrinode: I just wrote that from the top of my head.20:15
rewbycrafttrinode: I've done that about 20 times yesterday while building this 14.04 system. (Yay for nvidia drivers and disabled magic sysrq key)20:17
rewbycraftAll right, I'm going to reboot to try trism's indicator-sound. BRB.20:19
rewbycraftAll right, I'm back.20:21
rewbycrafttrism: THANK YOU! Your indicator-sound works perfectly!20:21
rewbycrafttrism: Let's just hope it doesn't randomly stop working now.20:22
trismrewbycraft: not really unfortunately mterry just pointed out to me that it does exist it is just not installed by default for some reason, it's in accountsservice-ubuntu-schemas20:22
trismrewbycraft: so you might want to revert that and install that package, then restart20:22
mathuinDoes vino still work on trusty?  If so, can it be enabled/configured from the command line?20:23
rewbycrafttrism: Darn. Well, TBH I was expecting a missing package. The nvidia drivers did this to me with as well. (They needed linux-headers to install but didn't include it as a dependency, nor did they give an error, dkms just did nothing)20:23
rewbycrafttrism: Thanks anyways.20:24
rewbycraftAll right, rebooting again.20:25
rewbycrafttrism: I guess mterry was right.20:27
rewbycrafttrism: Oh well, at least I have an idea on how to go about fixing my other broken indicators.20:27
mathuin474 updated packages yay!20:29
rewbycrafttrism: They're failing with "failed/lost bus ownership" errors. Time to go diving for conflicting dbus clients!20:29
rewbycraftAnyways, it's late here. Gonna go and sleep. Thanks all!20:29
bekksSomeone please can clue me on how to add some more attractivity of the devs to fix this bug?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/130252920:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1302529 in kickseed (Ubuntu) "grub2 installation fails on 14.04 kickstart installation" [Undecided,New]20:36
Jordan_Ubekks: You could explicitly mark it as a regression.20:52
bekksJordan_U: How would I do that? I havent worked on that much bugs until now :)20:52
Jordan_Ubekks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RegressionTracking20:53
Jordan_Ubekks: Personally, the fact that "hd0" still exists in any of the grub packaging is dissapointing to me.20:54
bekks:)20:55
bekksSo basically I would have to add the tag "trusty" to the tags, and the regression data template to the comments?20:56
Jordan_Ubekks: I would also add "grub2" as an affected source package, as that's likely where the problematic code actually is.20:56
bekksah ok - but the above regarding tagging is correct so far?20:57
TJ-bekks: Could you add a custom script to the kickstart that reports the contents of "/boot/grub/device.map" so you know for sure what "(hd0)" is being translated to?20:57
bekksSure, I'll do that. How do I add the to grub2 as affected package? Clicking on "also affects project" results in three choices, is "I want to add this upstream project to the bug report, but someone must find or report this bug in the upstream bug tracker." correct there?20:59
Jordan_Ubekks: Also affects Distribution, counter intuitive as that is.21:01
bekksNow thats intuitive :D21:02
Jordan_Ubekks: You would add the tag "regression-release", and I don't know for sure where the regression data is supposed to go, I expect in the body of the bug rather than as a comment.21:03
bekksJordan_U: Uhm, there is no /boot/grub/device.map not /target/boot/grub/device.map to be found. :(21:14
Jordan_Ubekks: That's a good thing :)21:14
Jordan_Udevice.map has died the fiery death that it deserved :)21:15
bekksJordan_U: :D You just scared me ;)21:15
bekksI've updated the bug meanwhile, maybe you want to take a look for mor clues about tags, distributions to be added, etc.?21:16
TJ-bekks: What is annoying is the code in grub-installer prints that error based on a the return code from "grub-install" but fails to report the error code in the output!21:26
TJ-bekks: Are you running the installation over a PXE/NFS boot? If so, you could temporarily tweak the grub-installer script to get additional output21:27
bekksTJ-: I am running it using the 14.04 server cd, and adding "toram ks=http://mylocalwebserver/ubuntutest.ks" to the kernel options prior booting. The result stays the same without "toram".21:32
bekksI'll add that to the bug report.21:32
bekksUpdated. :)21:34
TJ-bekks: After reading the grub-installer code, I think this may be the bug you're experiencing: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66697421:35
ubottuDebian bug 666974 in grub-installer "installs to /dev/sda when grub-installer/bootdev = /dev/sdb" [Important,Fixed]21:35
TJ-bekks: Ignore the title, but the user analysis of the code path that affects/set bootdev looks like a match for your issue, from my reading of it21:35
TJ-ekks: In particular, the use shows a way to grab detailed debug information.. search for the phrase "I was able to stop the installer at the end and ran grub-installer again" and read from there21:37
TJ-bekks: Looks to be tracked in Ubuntu as bug #101262921:39
ubottubug 1012629 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Precise) "grub-installer ignores "bootdev" setting in preseed file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101262921:39
bekksTJ-: I'm gonna read that first URL - I guess its pretty in-depth :)21:39
bekksShall I reference #1012629 in my bug?21:40
TJ-bekks: Might be good to gather your own similar debug output for analysis first, because that will make it possible to compare both scenarios to see if they're linked or not21:41
TJ-bekks: The bit I like is where the user re-runs grub-installer with the -vx shell options to capture the shell script operations line-by-line, so you can see what env vars resolve to21:42
bekksTJ-: II'll do that first then.21:42
bekksI have to create the next bug as well. It is literally unbelievable that there is no scp available in tty2/321:47
bekks:)21:47
bekksTJ-: I get a somehow strange output when running that sh ... command: http://pastebin.com/hEMMHcLC21:53
TJ-bekks: Looks like terminal (colour) escape codes21:59
TJ-bekks: Looking at the debug steps in the Debian bug, did you gather the output of "grub-mkdevicemap --no-floppy -m -" manually?22:11
trinodesomeone talking about grub bugs?22:16
trinodedont think its the same though22:17
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bekksTJ-: That output is: "(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB76166415-0cddbf19"22:39
TJ-bekks: OK, and have you confirmed that that symlink eventually points to a real block device "readlink -e   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB76166415-0cddbf19" ?22:40
bekksTJ-: That outputs "/dev/sda"22:41
TJ-bekks: OK, so it's not a dangling symlink.22:41
TJ-bekks: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" report?22:42
bekksTJ-: It shows sda1 with about 256M type 83 and sda2 with ~10GB type 8e -- that corresponds to the kickstart file where both partitions are defined like that.22:43
TJ-bekks: OK, so we're slowly narrowing down the perimeter of the bug to likely being an internal grub issue rather than incorrect d-i configuration or actions22:45
TJ-bekks: next thing is, I guess, to manually reproduce the grub-install step and see what error number it returns22:46
bekksTJ-: that would be "grub-install /dev/sda" then?22:46
TJ-bekks: "chroot /target" then "grub-install --force "(hd0)"; echo "result: $?"    "22:47
bekksTJ-: That outputs "grub-install: error: disk 'hd0' not found.\n result: 1"22:49
TJ-bekks: "grub-install --version"22:49
bekksTJ-: "grub-install (GRUB) 2.02~beta2-8"22:50
TJ-bekks: OK, same here22:51
TJ-bekks: bear with me; I'm reading the GRUB source22:53
bekksTJ-: I really, really do appreciate that :)22:54
TJ-bekks: There seem to be 2 places where that error is generated:22:56
TJ-grub-core/kern/disk.c:236:      grub_error (GRUB_ERR_UNKNOWN_DEVICE, N_("disk `%s' not found"),22:56
TJ-grub-core/net/net.c:1361:  grub_error (GRUB_ERR_UNKNOWN_DEVICE, N_("disk `%s' not found"),22:56
TJ-bekks: I think we can discount the 'net' path so I'll look at the 'kern'22:58
trinodeif I were to switch from grub to something else, what else re-generates it's list when I update kernels automatically?23:06
TJ-bekks: My reading is that in grub_disk_open(name)  "for (dev = grub_disk_dev_list; dev; dev = dev->next)" leaves dev == NULL. That infers that "grub_disk_dev_list" is empty. That should be built using  "grub_disk_dev_register (grub_disk_dev_t dev)"23:06
TJ-trinode: That effect is from a post-inst hook script in "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/"23:08
trinodeTJ-: do other bootloaders take advantage of that?23:08
bekksTJ-: that sounds like it should generate the device list, but actually isnt?23:10
TJ-bekks: I'm locating the call sites for that function to figure out how it is supposed to work23:11
bekksTJ-: I wish I could be a bit more helpful, but I'm afraid I cant, due to lacking experience in programming23:12
TJ-bekks: Looking at the source to grub-install, it seems it sets an environment flag "debug=all" when it is passed "--verbose" .. try re-running it with that in case it provides additional output23:14
bekksTJ-: Wow, it does. :D I'll pastebin it, it scrolled a bit ;)23:15
bekksTJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232850/23:17
TJ-Add that to the bug report, that's useful!23:17
TJ-bekks: The virtual disk size is ~ 20GB ?23:18
TJ-bekks: key part I think: "root is `(null)', dest is `hd0'."23:20
bekksTJ-: the virtual disk is about 10.7GB as seen by fdisk -l, and was created as 10GB in virtualbox.23:21
TJ-bekks: Oh yeah! sectors are 512 bytes not 1024... I multiplied by the wrong value :)23:21
bekksTJ-: Yeah, that sounds like it is the issue, if root isnt equal to dest23:22
TJ-bekks: In util/setup.c::SETUP() it has "grub_util_info ("root is `%s', dest is `%s'", root, dest);" ... but the root variable is never assigned a value other than NULL. Not sure if that's relevant or expected, but it seems 'strange'23:25
bekksthat would correspond to the empty list of devices, wouldnt it?23:28
TJ-bekks: Yes, which, I think takes us back to the debian-installer passing "hd0" ... does it work if you replace grub-install's "(hd0)" with "/dev/sda"  ?23:28
bekksTJ-: Works fine with /dev/sda, this is the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232885/23:31
bekksShall I attach it as well?23:31
TJ-bekks: Yes. So, it looks like (maybe) a change in grub to deprecate the devicemap form ... let me look at the changelogs23:32
bekksBug updated.23:33
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bekksTJ-: I really do appreciate your efforts - please excuse having to head to bed now, a toddler is waiting for me in less than 5 hours ;) As you might know, I'm around here, so you can just message me.23:35
TJ-bekks: Sure; there's enough there now to point to a change required in "grub-installer" in the debian-installer suite23:37
bekksTJ-: Thank you :)23:37
trinodeok, this update-grub thing has me stumped23:43
TJ-trinode: Why?23:44
trinodefresh install = ok23:44
trinodedon't do anything23:44
trinoderun update-grub23:45
trinodefails to boot23:45
trinodeI _wish_ I had an error or something23:45
TJ-Did you use Shift key to access the grub boot menu, and then try the Recovery option?23:47
trinodeTJ I don't get into grub, at all23:47
trinodeefi bootmanager menu shows up23:48
trinodehit "ubuntu"23:48
trinodeflicker23:48
trinodeback to bootmanager23:48
TJ-trinode: OK, EFI, so you can do things manually too. Does the system provide an EFI shell?23:48
trinodeI wish :)23:48
trinodeno shell on lenovo laptops23:49
TJ-You should add "shellx64.efi" to the EFI system partition then23:49
trinodeTJ-: you actually know about this stuff? I've been banging my head on the desk23:50
TJ-I do :)23:50
TJ-On EFI, the first thing I do is install shellx64.efi and add it to the system's boot menu, then I can do real 'stuff' when problems occur23:51
trinodeI'm just reinstalling (shouldn't be long) then where do I find that shell efi file?23:51
TJ-Shell v2 from the Intel Tianocore EFI project, there are several pre-built binaries for it. I grabbed mine from the edk2 project on sourceforge. The file is "shell.efi" which I rename to "shellx64.efi" to make clear it's the x86_64 but version. http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/23:56
TJ-trinode: Before you reboot the installed system, you can use the installer environment to copy that file to "/boot/efi/" and then use efibootmgr to add an entry to the system's EFI boot menu23:57
trinodeTJ-: dammit! already rebooted, and it's not booting23:58
trinode:(23:58
trinodeLive cd it is23:59

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