[07:45]  * apw yawns
[07:45]  * smb throws little reminders
[12:45] <apw> smb, did those (xen libvirt) build ok in the PPA ?
[12:45] <smb> apw, It built locally. I started a ppa build as well
[12:46] <smb> apw, You might check whether you got a "Breaks" in the libvirt version I got on chinstrap for you to make sure I did not only dream of pushing it there
[12:48] <smb> apw, The laptop I was provisioning just got near ready for testing
[13:36]  * apw fights his test box wh
[13:36] <apw> which has decided that losing grub is a good plan
[15:58] <jsalisbury> rtg, there are a bunch of duplicates of bug 1305480  I linked all the dupes to your bug.  Just let me know if you need me to do anything on that bug.
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1305480 in linux (Ubuntu Trusty) "BUG: pcmC0D0p:0, pos = 16390, buffer size = 16384, period size = 1024" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305480
[15:59] <rtg> jsalisbury, ack
[20:40] <bjf> hatch, did you ever get your haswell macbooks booting properly?
[20:41] <hatch> bjf you bet! http://fromanegg.com/post/82251710943/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-a-mac-or-macbook :-)
[20:42] <bjf> hatch, had you filed a bug on that issue?
[20:42] <bjf> sforshee, ^
[20:42] <hatch> bjf the bug was filed by someone else
[20:42] <bjf> ack
[20:43] <hatch> bjf it boils down to two things, not picking the +mac image and using the EFI installer
[20:43] <bjf> hatch, ack. seems like that +mac image isn't needed like it used to be
[20:44] <sforshee> bjf, hatch: it's bug #1284085
[20:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1284085 in linux (Ubuntu) "unable to boot after install on 2013 macbook air" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284085
[20:44] <hatch> yeah it's pretty confusing because the docs say to use that one if you have a mac :)
[20:44] <sforshee> I asked for testing of processor.nocst to see if that makes a difference, but no response from anyone yet
[20:44] <hatch> yeah thats the one
[20:45] <hatch> sforshee ohh I missed that - I don't have the legacy install any longer sorry
[20:45] <sforshee> bjf: note that I think apw was working to de-emphasize the +mac iso and possibly to get a release note
[20:45] <sforshee> he added a release note task at least
[20:45] <bjf> sforshee, yes, i think i saw that email
[20:45] <hatch> yeah that would really help 
[20:46] <sforshee> would be nice to fix the bug, but most of the time I think the efi install is a better option anyway
[20:47] <hatch> yeah it looks like the mac needs to be at least a few years old now to not use the EFI option
[20:47] <hatch> and who uses computers that long :P
[20:47] <hatch> could a guy write a script that someone could run in osx to tell them what kind of install to use?
[20:48] <sforshee> hatch: I have no idea, I'm not really familiar with the reason the +mac image was needed in the first place
[20:48] <hatch> gotcha
[20:49] <hatch> it looks like the regular version has both installers 
[20:49] <hatch> so yeah....not sure :)
[20:53] <hatch> Right now I'm just trying to figure out how to get my battery life back :)
[20:58] <sforshee> hatch: does your machine have hybrid graphics?
[20:59] <hatch> sforshee yep it has the new nvidia discrete card and the haswell iris gpu
[20:59] <sforshee> yeah, you'll only be able to use the discrete graphics and often power management there is poor
[21:00] <hatch> hmm....that's not really any goood :)
[21:01] <hatch> is this because noone has written a proper driver?
[21:02] <sforshee> there's a driver, but there are some issues with getting the discrete graphics working that haven't been fully solved yet
[21:03] <sforshee> there's been some progress recently, but afaik nothing that's in upstream linux yet
[21:04] <hatch> ahh ok, if I wanted to follow the development on this, where might I look?
[21:06] <sforshee> hatch: not sure if there's any discussion going on. Last thing I know about it was that mjg59 had some patches which were working for him.
[21:06] <sforshee> hatch: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/retina_patches/
[21:07] <hatch> hmm cool, looks like there is some thunderbolt stuff here too, that's great becuase those also don't work :D
[21:33] <bjf> hatch, when you say thunderbolt doesn't work, there have been problems with it hotplugging in the past. i have to plug mine in and reboot.
[21:34] <hatch> bjf yeah that's what I have to do too, which is no good unfortunately
[21:34] <hatch> if we are going to convince people to run ubuntu over osx it's got to be pretty flawless imho
[21:34] <hatch> not that it's anyones fault of course
[21:35] <bjf> hatch, i talked to the intel folks about it. it's an issue with the apple firmware. not sure there is anything to be done about it.
[21:36] <hatch> ohhh ok, that's unfortunate, maybe someone will make some nice hardware like this without all the proprietary business :)
[21:37] <mjg59> "issue"
[21:38] <mjg59> Apple chose not to implement Thunderbolt in System Management Mode
[21:38] <bjf> mjg59, yes :-)
[21:38] <mjg59> Which is obviously the correct choice
[21:38] <mjg59> But Intel
[21:47] <hatch> seems like an odd choice
[22:04] <mjg59> hatch: It means you can do things like tell the user when they've connected too many devics
[22:06] <hatch> ahh, I suppose that would be nice :)