[14:56] <xzavierdev> does anyone update ubuntu 13.10 to 14.04 successful?
[14:58] <bdmurray> xzavierdev: yes, but this is the incorrect channel to discuss it. please try #ubuntu-bugs.
[14:58] <xzavierdev> ok,thanks
[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <jodh> o/
[15:03] <caribou> o/
[15:04]  * stgraber waves
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 10 15:04:09 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <xnox> o/
[15:04] <mvo> hi, sorry for being late
[15:04] <slangasek> 'sok, we're only just getting started
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo)
[15:04] <slangasek> xnox stgraber bdmurray doko jodh cjwatson mvo slangasek barry caribou infinity
[15:05] <xnox> hm?!
[15:05] <xnox> ok.
[15:05] <doko> I assume barry is walking around in the conference center
[15:05] <xnox> * upstart:
[15:05] <xnox>   - worked on cgroups - good progress, still a few state transitions
[15:05] <xnox>     left, moving post-release
[15:05] <xnox>   - still to upload staged minor fixes in upstart packaging branch
[15:05] <xnox>     with reload fix
[15:05] <xnox> * ubiquity/installer:
[15:05] <xnox>   - dropped u1 + fixed AP tests fall-out
[15:05] <xnox>   - resolved missing/wrong backgrounds on xubuntu/studio
[15:05] <xnox>   - resolved missing overlay scrollbars in ubiquity live session (to upload)
[15:05] <xnox>   - resolved "ubiquity is too wide" a little more (to upload)
[15:05] <xnox>   - with cking/apw found missing block device kernel modules in udebs (uploaded)
[15:05] <xnox> * revert ubuntu-sso-client to unbreak software-center
[15:05] <xnox> * reviewed pre-release website, sent of a list of bugs/typos.
[15:05] <xnox> * migrating remaining clicks to python3, will send status email later
[15:05] <xnox>   today to ubuntu-phone m.l.
[15:05] <xnox> todo:
[15:05] <xnox>   * bug #1303815
[15:05] <xnox>   * bug #1301720
[15:05] <xnox> next week working in the office
[15:05] <slangasek> doko: is he doing laps?
[15:05] <xnox> ..
[15:06] <doko> enoclue
[15:06] <stgraber>  - cgmanager
[15:06] <stgraber>    - Updated our website to be vaguely more useful:
[15:06] <stgraber>      https://cgmanager.linuxcontainers.org
[15:06] <stgraber>    - Debugging a few bugs that showed up after we turned cgmanager support in
[15:06] <stgraber>      logind.
[15:06] <stgraber>    - Fixed a bunch of upstart jobs issues discovered by Touch during stress
[15:06] <stgraber>      test, fixed that and got my Nexus4 to boot succesfuly around 400 times in
[15:06] <stgraber>      a row.
[15:06] <stgraber>    - Still debugging one of those now (logind using 100% of CPU...)
[15:06] <stgraber>  - LXC
[15:06] <stgraber>    - Several updates to our apparmor profiles to support the new apparmor
[15:06] <stgraber>      version and workaround new parser bugs.
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Fixes to some of our tests.
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Integrated our PPA and Coverity uploads into the Jenkins jobs, now our
[15:07] <stgraber>      whole build and test infrastructure has been moved to
[15:07] <stgraber>      https://jenkins.linuxcontainers.org
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Usual code review
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Sent the formal micro-conference proposal for Plumbers 2014
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Followed up on the LXC sprint at LinuxCon NA 2014
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Tagged, released and uploaded LXC 1.0.3
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Network
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Upgrade fixes for ifupdown and isc-dhcp.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Other
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Tracked down and fixed a couple of sssd issues.
[15:07] <stgraber>    - Queue reviews and last minute FFes.
[15:07] <stgraber>  
[15:07] <stgraber> Will be sligthly harder to reach this afternoon as I'll be working from the
[15:07] <stgraber> Montreal office to catch up with doko and barry.
[15:07] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:07] <slangasek> xnox: oh yay, so all the clicks are python3-ready now?
[15:08] <bdmurray> errors: research into cassandra database space saving mechanisms
[15:08] <bdmurray> errors: worked on not writing ProcMaps for python tracebacks and removing it for crashes with a dupe sig
[15:08] <bdmurray> errors: submitted RT #69068 regarding cassandra database stats missing
[15:08] <bdmurray> foundations bug triage
[15:08] <bdmurray> recreated and research into fixing whoopsie bug 1261096
[15:08] <bdmurray> tested laney's fix for bug 1261096
[15:08] <bdmurray> tested and discovered why bug 1300465 is invalid
[15:08] <bdmurray> research into bug 1277706 and cleanup of its duplicates
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into update-manager bug 1164558
[15:08] <bdmurray> worked on a fix for bug 1302380
[15:08] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader code reviews for mvo
[15:08] <bdmurray> proposed a merge for unattended-upgrades that adds an apport package hook
[15:08] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 1286161
[15:08] <bdmurray> sru review of a couple of packages for OEM priority bug reports
[15:08] <bdmurray> posted Ubuntu DMB meeting results
[15:08] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <bdmurray> holiday(s): 2
[15:09] <doko> - ruby1.8 removal
[15:09] <doko> - GCC updates, bringen armhf and arm64 regression fixes, and updated towards the 4.8.2 and 4.9.0 releases
[15:09] <doko> - openjdk-7 arm64 fixes
[15:09] <doko> - some random ftbfs fixes
[15:09] <doko> - ppc64el fixes
[15:09] <doko> - job interviews
[15:09] <doko> - PyCon
[15:09] <doko> (done)
[15:09] <jodh> * foundations-1305-upstart-work-items:
[15:09] <jodh>   - cgroup support:
[15:09] <jodh>     - Virtual upstart cgroups sprint with xnox on Friday. Productive but
[15:09] <jodh>       highlighted a limitation of the current branch.
[15:09] <jodh>     - Feature won't now land in trusty (postponed).
[15:09] <jodh> * upstart:
[15:09] <jodh>   - Reviewed and merged lp:~xnox/upstart/lp1303891.
[15:09] <jodh>   - Reviewed and merged lp:~xnox/upstart/no-python.in.
[15:09] <jodh>   - Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/TechnicalOverviewUpstart.
[15:09] <jodh>   - Investigating Upstart SEGV issue. Maybe be related to fix for bug
[15:09] <jodh>     1222705.
[15:09] <jodh>   - Updated upstart-events(7).
[15:09] <jodh> * other:
[15:09] <jodh>   - Short week as out Monday and Tuesday.
[15:09] <jodh> ꓩ
[15:09] <cjwatson> Updated germinate and tasksel for trusty.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Finished porting GHC to arm64.
[15:09] <cjwatson> user-setup tweaks (bug 1304008, bug 1069684).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Fixed putty assertion failure (bug 1289176).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Educated installer on copying xattrs (bug 1302192).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Applied grub-installer patch to fall back to grub-pc if ESP is missing (bug 1302418).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Cleaned out a good deal of cruft from ubiquity.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Started working through various removals, component-mismatches cleanup, etc. in an effort to get this all clear by release.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Updated translations in a few places.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Lots of queue reviews.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Still trying to figure out what's up with GRUB and LVM snapshots.
[15:10] <cjwatson> ..
[15:10] <slangasek> mvo: you're up\
[15:10] <mvo> release bugfixing
[15:10] <mvo> apt: cherry pick fixes,  Bug#743413, add src package cachedb
[15:10] <mvo> debug/fix JDK removal with latest apt #1302736, add test for apt-ftparchive --db sources, debug/fix missing ^rc pkgs in apt list (mvo/bugfix/apt-list-rc-pkgs),
[15:10] <mvo> gdebi: review/merge/upload https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/gdebi/lp1301422/+merge/214257, debug/fix #1304657 and add regression test mvo/bugfix/lp1304657-perms, apt: debug  #1304403 (libkrb-srv-mit8 upgrade issue), debug/fix spurious test failure caused by a race condition in the tests, upload 1.0.1ubuntu1
[15:10] <mvo> update-manager: look at #1301776
[15:10] <mvo> unattended-upgrades: debug cache broken error, debug/fix #743594
[15:11] <mvo> release-upgrader: debug #1294124, fix demotion display, upload new version, pgrade test #1298281,  fix release upgrade prompting from "normal" to "lts",  lp:~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/text-install-progress,  debug/fix #1304365 (wayland upgrade bug), improve apt.log, fix crash in DistUpgradeViewText, remove gnome-session special handling, debug/fix #1304403
[15:11] <mvo> update-manager: upload fix for #1164558
[15:11] <mvo> libc6: debug regression in desktop upgrade mode (#1298281)
[15:11] <mvo> (done)
[15:11] <mvo> the report is not well organized sorry for that
[15:11] <mvo> next
[15:11]  * mvo will do better next time
[15:11] <mvo> next is slangasek I think :)
[15:11] <slangasek> mvo: clearly you are spending too much time fixing bugs and not enough time writing reports about it
[15:12] <slangasek>  * end-of-cycle package uploads for ppc64el enablement
[15:12] <slangasek>  * generate a netboot directory for ppc64el from d-i, so it's sane to netboot without having to set everything up yourself
[15:12] <slangasek>  * interviewing for Java role
[15:12] <slangasek> (done)
[15:12] <slangasek>  * Tech Board discussions about Ubuntu Kylin archive
[15:12] <slangasek>  * various freeze reviews
[15:12] <slangasek> no barry
[15:12] <slangasek> caribou:
[15:13] <caribou> * openstack debugging
[15:13] <caribou> * sosreport development for trusty
[15:13] <caribou> done
[15:14] <infinity> * continued to enjoy being a tourist in meetings
[15:14] <infinity> (done)
[15:15] <slangasek> :)
[15:16] <slangasek> any questions above?
[15:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Trusty release freeze
[15:17] <slangasek> final freeze is in, um, some small number of hours
[15:18] <slangasek> is there anything pending that we should talk about before we get there?
[15:18] <infinity> 6
[15:18] <infinity> hours, not uploads.
[15:18] <slangasek> (that maybe you're desperately working on right now to get in before the deadline, and it might be helpful to give your friends in the release team a heads-up that it's on its way)
[15:19] <infinity> I'm going to lob a glibc at the archive soon.  Was just waiting on final word from Adhemerval that he has no last-minute ppc fixes for me.
[15:19] <cjwatson> I have the GRUB LVM snapshot fix, think I have something plausible now
[15:19] <stgraber> we'll probably have a cgmanager fix
[15:19] <xnox> ubiquity... upstart...
[15:19] <mvo> it might be nice to get one software-center upload to get 2 common errors.ubuntu.com issues off the table but I'm not sure who is doing this these days
[15:19] <cjwatson> (Now that I've worked out that it isn't actually a problem in the core C code at all, but a grub-mkconfig scripting bug)
[15:19] <slangasek> ok, so nothing major anywhere then ;)
[15:19] <slangasek> just grub ubiquity upstart cgmanager and glibc
[15:19] <infinity> Nah, business as usual.
[15:19] <stgraber> there's a somewhat rare condition where logind will get stuck and use 100% of your CPU, hallyn is looking into that now and managed to reproduce it a couple minutes ago
[15:19] <infinity> No one needs those packages.
[15:20] <cjwatson> slangasek: what did you expect from this team, fluffy desktop stuff? :)
[15:20] <xnox> mvo: software-center -> we've been just uploading it with $ debsign & dput so far.
[15:20] <slangasek> stgraber: sounds like a clear bugfix that would qualify during final freeze, provided that we figure it out
[15:21] <mvo> xnox: thanks
[15:21] <doko> have two fixes pending: fixing the python3.4 ftbfs on aarch64,  and landing the python3.4 ensurepip fix (which I'll look at with barry today)
[15:21] <xnox> mvo: you can poke Rodney Dawes about it (e.g. reviews / uploads) or just upload.
[15:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: no, the fluffy is for the cloud server
[15:21] <doko> preferring to fix the ftbfs on aarch64 with the just uploaded binutils
[15:22] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, all we know for know is that in some cases we get stuck in a loop of EAGAIN inside the nih auto-generated code, hopefully it's just caused by an actual bug in cgmanager's dbus service and not by a bug in the code generator :)
[15:22] <doko> did the release team discuss icedtea-web?
[15:23] <doko> and I assume it's a bit late for the valgrind update ...
[15:23] <cjwatson> I think everyone's scared off by the diff, but nobody has rejected it yet
[15:24] <doko> valgrind is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/+bug/1300070
[15:24] <slangasek> doko: I didn't see any discussion, I think it's been suffering from queue starvation for a lot of other stuff coming through hot.  Did you get the valgrind testing from the phone folks?
[15:25] <slangasek> (if you're waiting for the release team to drive that, it probably won't get done in time)
[15:25] <doko> have to check with tvoss ...
[15:25] <slangasek> ok
[15:25] <doko> hmm, maybe a bad time to discuss with him ...
[15:26] <slangasek> doko: nah, he's /back/ to work now
[15:26] <slangasek> AIUI
[15:26] <infinity> That was a quick parental leave.
[15:26] <slangasek> well, ICBW
[15:26] <slangasek> and other acronyms
[15:27] <slangasek> so yeah, maybe you do want someone other than tvoss.  kgunn?
[15:27] <infinity> InterContinental Ballistic Weasels?
[15:27] <slangasek> infinity: wessels
[15:29] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:29] <slangasek> anything else, besides uploading half the base system 5h before freeze?
[15:30] <infinity> We could do the other half too.
[15:30] <stgraber> 5h is way too optimistic, I expect most of those to be uploaded within an hour of the freeze ;)
[15:31]  * slangasek gets an ulcer
[15:31] <infinity> Slightly more seriously, if people have good ideas (markety or buggy) for the release notes, it's a wiki, go add crap.  I can always delete if we have too much, but no one likes panicing to write it all on Thursday morning.
[15:31] <doko> no more planned openjdk and gcc uploads today
[15:31] <infinity> doko: I like the "today" qualifier on that.
[15:31] <slangasek> doko: oh, just the unplanned ones
[15:31] <xnox> infinity: did you just stage wiki page dead-lock?! =)
[15:32] <infinity> xnox: No, because no one will do it.
[15:32]  * slangasek turns and points at everyone else in the channel
[15:33] <slangasek> do we have a list of release-notey bugs to work from, this cycle?
[15:33] <infinity> Don't know if people have been adding tasks.
[15:33]  * xnox was doing random searches of high/critical and things targeted at trusty milestones. it's not much
[15:33] <doko> damn, you did catch both "unplanned" and "today" ...
[15:33] <infinity> There's always the ISO tracker bugs, but I'd like to think we'll fix the worst ones and pretend the rest don't exist because we're awesome.
[15:33] <stgraber> I don't think we've been particularly good at targeting + tagging bugs this cycle
[15:34] <xnox> the "rls-management" report is not very useful either.
[15:34] <slangasek> xnox: there's an ubuntu-release-notes project
[15:34] <slangasek> if things should be release noted, and you don't have time to write the blurb, please target a task there
[15:34] <slangasek> and if you do have time to write the blurb, look there for things that might need writing :)
[15:35] <xnox> they look old...
[15:35] <slangasek> xnox: old ones ought to be wontfixed
[15:35] <bdmurray> xnox: which rls-management report?
[15:36] <slangasek> we're not realistically going to update the saucy release notes now
[15:36] <xnox> bdmurray: rls-tracking/notracking/wontfixing
[15:36] <xnox> bdmurray: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:36] <infinity> To be fair, we've tended in the past to be a bit too liberal in our release noteyness.  If it doesn't cause people installation/upgrade headaches or other such nastiness, it's just a bug, not a bug worth telling every single person about.
[15:37] <slangasek> infinity: I disagree; major bugs that are going to be FAQs if we don't document them are worth including
[15:37] <slangasek> not just bugs specifically related to installation and upgrade
[15:37] <infinity> slangasek: That falls under "other nastiness", I suspect.  It's a judgement call.
[15:38] <slangasek> (and it's not really telling "everyone", just the .3% of users who read the release notes ;)
[15:38] <infinity> slangasek: But there were people in the past that felt that anything with a release-notes task or a tracker link was release note worthy just cause. ;)
[15:38] <slangasek> right, Judgement must be Exercised
[15:39] <infinity> Oh joy.  A glibc regression on (only) power8 that I now need to sort out if I just introduced or if it's always been there but I've never run the testsuit on P8 before.
[15:39] <slangasek> infinity: enjoy
[15:39] <infinity> (Betting the latter)
[15:39] <xnox> slangasek: i wonder if both firefox and thunderbird need uploading. Firefox - because of nbs dependency & Thunderbird to drop U1 from sendit plugin.
[15:40] <xnox> unless both things are in the works.
[15:40] <infinity> xnox: I'm on firefox already.
[15:40] <slangasek> xnox: AIUI dropping the thunderbird plugin was not strictly required
[15:40] <slangasek> infinity: why is that not for the desktop team to take care of?
[15:40] <infinity> xnox: I've had the fix committed for weeks, but now that we're past the point of no return for Chris uploading new versions (ie: I won't let him), I'll take care of it. :P
[15:40] <infinity> slangasek: Well, like I said, I committed the fix to bzr weeks ago.
[15:41] <infinity> slangasek: Under the assumption that it would magically land in Chris's next upload.  And there wasn't one. :)
[15:41] <xnox> infinity: which branches are used for thunderbird/firefox? (i lost track of the thunderbird patch)
[15:41] <xnox> slangasek: ack.
[15:42] <slangasek> ok
[15:42] <slangasek> so, enough talk, back to action :)
[15:42] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 15:42:25 2014 UTC.
[15:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-10-15.04.moin.txt
[15:42] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:42] <infinity> xnox: debian/control tends to be (close to) accurate for ffox.  No idea about tbird.
[15:42] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:42] <caribou> thanks
[15:42] <jodh> thanks!
[15:42] <infinity> *wave*
[15:42] <stgraber> doko: leaving now, should be at the office in the next 15min, see you there!
[15:43] <mvo> thanks
[15:44] <doko> xnox, if you track the firefox upload, please see that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html gets addressed ...
[15:45] <xnox> doko: as per above, infinity already has firefox change ready for exactly that.
[15:45] <doko> ahh, ok
[15:45] <xnox> doko: otherwise i couldn't care less about firefox =) i don't use it.