| bluesabre | ok, I see the note now | 00:00 |
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| bluesabre | Logan_, if you happen to get a free moment, would you mind merging... | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-indicator-plugin/upstart-init/+merge/214713 | 00:19 |
| * Logan_ looks | 00:22 | |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: merged your branch | 00:30 |
| === `Fibz is now known as j4jackj | ||
| Logan_ | bluesabre: sorry, forgot to say that I uploaded it | 00:49 |
| bluesabre | haha, thanks Logan_ | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | Indeed, thanks. | 00:55 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: poke | 01:04 |
| Unit193 | zequence: What'd you decide to go for, in terms of LTS support timeframe? | 01:11 |
| === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ | ||
| Unit193 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/14.04/LTS-proposal Ah. | 01:25 |
| === Logan_ is now known as Guest24328 | ||
| CajunTechie | Hello everyone | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj_school | hello CajunTechie. DId you end up finding something to work on? | 02:21 |
| bluesabre | micahg, mrpouit: I think xubuntu-meta needs one more refresh | 02:40 |
| micahg | bluesabre: ok, I can run that now | 02:42 |
| bluesabre | great, thanks a lot micahg! | 02:42 |
| bluesabre | need to head to bed now, bbl | 02:43 |
| CajunTechie | Noskcaj, Not yet. Still looking to connect with folks. | 03:03 |
| bluesabre | micahg: did you get to update xubuntu-meta? | 06:03 |
| elfy | bluesabre: do you know what's going on with removing ibus? | 06:04 |
| elfy | all I saw was a comment by knome last night agreeing with me | 06:04 |
| bluesabre | elfy: I merged the branch that removes it | 06:04 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-meta needs refreshed for it to take effect | 06:04 |
| elfy | awesome - thanks | 06:05 |
| Unit193 | [23:08:50] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.179 => 2.180] (xubuntu) | 06:06 |
| elfy | update mangler has stopped showing up in the last day or so | 06:08 |
| elfy | not that I actually use it | 06:08 |
| Unit193 | Congrats, glad you got rid of it. | 06:10 |
| elfy | lol | 06:10 |
| elfy | just thinking about 'user a' | 06:11 |
| elfy | really not thinking about people like us 'user z' :) | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | I think I'm user 㔕 | 06:12 |
| jhenke | good morning folks | 06:26 |
| elfy | morning | 06:26 |
| Noskcaj | the purple software center looks pretty strange with the new whiskermenu layout | 07:00 |
| === knome_ is now known as knome | ||
| knome | micahg, Unit193: if not else, we can pop in a new release of midori in .1 | 07:04 |
| knome | what about the abiword stuff? | 07:04 |
| knome | the upstream statuses are fix released, will we be picking those fixes? | 07:04 |
| Unit193 | knome: Wut? | 07:11 |
| knome | wut wat | 07:11 |
| knome | Unit193, have you got a trusty installation handy? | 07:12 |
| Unit193 | Not one to break, but yeah. | 07:12 |
| knome | can you smoketest https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-xkb-plugin/lp-733563/+merge/214365 ? | 07:12 |
| Noskcaj | knome, both patches had been tested by others, but i can't | 07:13 |
| Noskcaj | local install too broken | 07:13 |
| knome | Noskcaj, can you get them leave a comment on the MP? | 07:13 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 07:13 |
| knome | thanks | 07:13 |
| Unit193 | Nice, so tested already. The midori talk was in -ot, not here. :P | 07:14 |
| knome | Unit193, re: midori: so? | 07:14 |
| knome | why should we divert discussion to -ot? | 07:14 |
| Unit193 | I'm saying, it's not Xubuntu really, not seeded and Debian doesn't have a newer one released, just my usual rambleing. | 07:15 |
| knome | yeah, but if it's a nice release, would be nice to get it in | 07:15 |
| Unit193 | It's no longer released on xfce.org | 07:15 |
| knome | aha | 07:15 |
| Unit193 | So, I'd be glad to have someone else review and fix it the rest of the way, but.. | 07:16 |
| Unit193 | Anything after release would have to be an SRU. | 07:16 |
| knome | i acknowledge | 07:17 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, Maybe contact corsac, he maintains midori in debian | 07:20 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: See -ot, no he doesn't. | 07:20 |
| Noskcaj | oh | 07:21 |
| * Noskcaj nominates Unit193 as the new maintainer | 07:22 | |
| Unit193 | He was only an uploader, not the maintainer. | 07:22 |
| elfy | bbl | 07:28 |
| Noskcaj | xfburn o.5.2 merge now up | 07:35 |
| brainwash | fujiwarat │ brainwash: Right, ibus-daemon picks up the current session layout so probably your desktop does not pick up /etc/default/keyboard. | 10:37 |
| brainwash | fujiwarat │ ibus enables only keymaps in simple.xml and other are considered upon the request. ibus won't check /etc/default/keyboard. It would be the task for desktop. | 11:10 |
| brainwash | should drop the kb layout bug report from -bugs after dropping ibus? | 11:11 |
| brainwash | maybe also add "xfce4-session" to it and mark as wishlist | 11:13 |
| knome | brainwash, should move it to the .1 blueprint and keep the importance | 11:45 |
| brainwash | uhm, "right | 11:52 |
| knome | any reason you see why not? | 11:53 |
| brainwash | it's fine to move it | 11:54 |
| brainwash | but we need to add some Xfce component to it, otherwise it's an ibus issue (which may be not fixed according to fujiwarat) | 11:56 |
| brainwash | and we have to deal with upgraders | 11:58 |
| brainwash | unless ibus is removed during the upgrade process | 11:59 |
| knome | my take is... | 12:00 |
| knome | either you use ibus, or don't | 12:00 |
| knome | if you don't, you don't care about the upgrade process | 12:00 |
| knome | if you do, well, you probably just want it to work, and we should be mostly okay by communicating the situation to people | 12:00 |
| knome | wait | 12:01 |
| knome | i misunderstood | 12:01 |
| knome | (or -read) | 12:01 |
| knome | yeah, we should take care ibus is removed... i guess. | 12:01 |
| knome | or make a mention in the release notes | 12:01 |
| knome | the situation is far from perfect, but how do you fix it? | 12:02 |
| knome | adding an xfce component or not, we should look at fixing the original bug with .1 | 12:02 |
| brainwash | true, we need some more time to fix it properly | 12:04 |
| knome | i think dropping ibus from the default installation is the best of the bad options we have | 12:05 |
| knome | i don't know how we make sure ibus is removed on upgrade | 12:05 |
| knome | maybe removing it and everything that depends on it from the seed? | 12:05 |
| brainwash | not sure, we removed xscreensaver completely, but still got a report that it did not get removed while upgrading to 14.04 | 12:08 |
| starrats | ? has Trusty Tahr been given an RC1 status? | 12:10 |
| brainwash | the solution is for ibus is very simple, we need to echo the current system kb layout to the session (setxkbmap) before ibus starts | 12:11 |
| brainwash | still, if ibus does not know this kb layout, like for example "de (nodeadkeys)", it will fall back to "us" | 12:12 |
| brainwash | we can provide the workaround for the first part, but the second part (missing layouts in ibus) will still trouble some people | 12:15 |
| knome | starrats, in what way "given" ? | 12:19 |
| starrats | RC1 status instead of Beta status , knome as in prior to the release date next Thursday. | 12:22 |
| knome | what are you referring to with "RC status"? | 12:22 |
| starrats | RC = Release Candidate, a nick on another channel I'm on asked me that and also a discussion going on about what 'x' in xubuntu means, he thinks it is X-Windows like in Xorg and i told him it meant xfce | 12:24 |
| starrats | see the link I'm posting and scroll down a bit: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-14-04-lts-release-schedule | 12:26 |
| knome | afaik, there isn't any special RC images | 12:27 |
| knome | if that's what they are asking | 12:27 |
| starrats | I know that it was a Ubuntu site but yes on what they were asking | 12:30 |
| elfy | no special images afaik either | 12:50 |
| elfy | knome: one way or the other we will need to mention ibus in the release notes, depending on if we can remove it on upgrade | 12:58 |
| knome | elfy, yep | 12:58 |
| knome | elfy, i've added something on the release ntoes | 12:59 |
| elfy | ok - not looked yet | 12:59 |
| knome | bbl | 13:18 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: you like g+ want to be another manager of our team? (I'm the only active one, want more for bus factor) | 13:40 |
| micahg | knome: no, you can't pop in new versions of midori in point releases, but there's always backports | 14:20 |
| micahg | (and it's unseeded anyways) | 14:20 |
| * micahg disappears again | 14:21 | |
| brainwash | elfy: now I fully understand the ibus issue and why it works in gnome/unity | 14:29 |
| brainwash | ibus only uses a subset of all the available keymaps, so if a particular keymap is not in the list, it will fall back to "us" | 14:31 |
| brainwash | "gb" is not in the list | 14:31 |
| brainwash | "gb (extended blabala)" is | 14:32 |
| knome | micahg, "can't"?:P | 14:32 |
| knome | everything is possible! | 14:32 |
| knome | brainwash, how do we add those keymaps into the list? | 14:33 |
| brainwash | gnome-settings-daemon asks ibus if it knows about a keymap, if no, then it will deactivate ibus until it's needed again | 14:33 |
| knome | mmh.. | 14:34 |
| brainwash | knome: via bug report I guess | 14:34 |
| brainwash | upstream | 14:34 |
| brainwash | BUT | 14:34 |
| brainwash | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924314 | 14:34 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 924314 in ibus "iBus failed to switch between pinyin and UK English in Emacs." [Unspecified,Closed: rawhide] | 14:34 |
| brainwash | "Closing this bug If you're fine with gb(extd)." | 14:34 |
| knome | hmm | 14:35 |
| brainwash | so this needs to be fixed upstream in ibus | 14:35 |
| knome | right... | 14:35 |
| knome | for every broken languge, that is, right? | 14:35 |
| brainwash | either we add all the missing keymaps or request to implement a sane fallback solution | 14:35 |
| brainwash | indeed, mostly for all the missing layout variants | 14:35 |
| knome | can the keymaps be, in a way or another, "just" symlinks ? | 14:35 |
| knome | or equivalent | 14:36 |
| brainwash | ibus does not provide the keymap files... it only checks its own list (simple xml) file | 14:37 |
| knome | aha | 14:37 |
| brainwash | adding a keymap to ibus is therefore really easy | 14:37 |
| knome | right | 14:37 |
| knome | so.. | 14:37 |
| brainwash | see /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml | 14:38 |
| knome | tell me more about gnome-settings-daemon | 14:38 |
| knome | when does it ask for a layout? | 14:38 |
| brainwash | g-s-d has some sort of ibus integration | 14:38 |
| knome | i don't think i have ibus installed ;d | 14:38 |
| knome | hmm | 14:38 |
| knome | or just have that file | 14:38 |
| brainwash | the file is provided by ibus | 14:39 |
| brainwash | we could add "gb" downstream | 14:40 |
| brainwash | and "de (nodeadkeys)" | 14:40 |
| brainwash | and .. | 14:40 |
| === qwebirc984668 is now known as slickymasterWork | ||
| brainwash | :) | 14:40 |
| knome | mm yeah | 14:41 |
| knome | or write a simple daemon that does ibus integration? | 14:41 |
| knome | or, simple and simple... | 14:41 |
| brainwash | we could add it to xfsettingsd | 14:42 |
| brainwash | but that's meh somehow | 14:42 |
| knome | i have ibus installed, but not that file... | 14:43 |
| knome | hmm, wait, i don't | 14:44 |
| brainwash | ibus: /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml | 14:44 |
| knome | i had some ibus stuff on the menu | 14:44 |
| knome | which is why i thought i had ibus... | 14:44 |
| brainwash | so the whole thing is rather complicated to fix, if the ibus maintainer strictly avoids to bloat the keymap list | 14:46 |
| knome | well, i can understand that | 14:46 |
| brainwash | so we should drop the report completely, if the user wants ibus, then he should be able to configure it (select the layouts he needs) | 14:49 |
| brainwash | if a keymap is not listed, then he should bother the ibus dev | 14:50 |
| knome | well, | 14:50 |
| brainwash | it's targeting gnome and is maintained by a redhat dev, why should Xfce bother about it | 14:51 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: ping | 15:38 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: added a comment to bug 1278089 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1278089 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole reports "Gstreamer backend error, could not initialise supporting library" in trusty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278089 | 15:50 |
| elfy | brainwash: thanks for all that info - but if we're not going to use it then my interest will wane quickly :) | 16:40 |
| brainwash | elfy: right, we don't know if ibus will make its comeback | 16:42 |
| elfy | well ... my only interest in it starts and ends at the fact that suddenly it didn't work for us - previous to that I had no idea it was even there :) | 16:43 |
| elfy | if people want or need it then they'll be setting it up anyway with sane values for them | 16:43 |
| brainwash | exactly | 16:43 |
| elfy | as we're losing it - the QA leads interest has come to an abrupt halt :) | 16:44 |
| juanmontoya | hi, how do I report a bug? (Alt-1 to switch tab is not working on xubuntu beta) | 16:47 |
| brainwash | generally not working? | 16:47 |
| brainwash | there are different apps with tab support | 16:48 |
| juanmontoya | yes, doesn't work on firefox, gvim, xfce4-terminal | 16:48 |
| elfy | works ok here in hexchat/firefox | 16:48 |
| juanmontoya | mhm... maybe it's already fixed... | 16:49 |
| elfy | and xfce4-term | 16:49 |
| elfy | I'm updated to about 7 hours ago | 16:49 |
| brainwash | create a new user account and try to confirm it | 16:49 |
| juanmontoya | I'll try that when I get home :) | 16:50 |
| brainwash | and if you want to report a bug, simply run "ubuntu-bug <package>" | 16:50 |
| brainwash | package would be.. hmm, not easy to tell which package could be the culprit | 16:51 |
| juanmontoya | oh... I have done that before but forgot about it this time, I was lost at xubuntu.org/contribute and the faq ^^ | 16:51 |
| brainwash | did you maybe change or add a keyboard shortcut which involves <alt> and 1? | 16:53 |
| juanmontoya | not as far as I know, but I'll check, maybe I did it by accident | 16:55 |
| juanmontoya | I thought this was happening to everyone | 16:55 |
| brainwash | ok, so please test it with a new user account and report a bug if needed | 16:56 |
| brainwash | thanks :) | 16:56 |
| juanmontoya | I'll do that, thanks to you too | 16:56 |
| slickymaster | meeting time, no? | 18:01 |
| elfy | not yet slickymaster :) | 18:01 |
| elfy | an hour yet | 18:02 |
| slickymaster | wasn't it at 19:00 UTC? | 18:02 |
| elfy | Thu Apr 10 18:02:28 UTC 2014 | 18:02 |
| elfy | it is at 19:00 UTC :) | 18:02 |
| slickymaster | damn, forgot we changed the hour to daylight settings over here | 18:03 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 18:03 |
| elfy | so today's daily - has proper wallpapers \o/ | 18:08 |
| elfy | and a list of keyboard layouts for ibus ... | 18:08 |
| knome | i will be at the meeting, but might be a tad late | 18:19 |
| knome | see you later | 18:19 |
| knome | -> | 18:19 |
| brainwash | elfy: wallpapers! :) | 18:28 |
| brainwash | I did not save the link to your lid close test run spreadsheet | 18:30 |
| elfy | sound is still not enabled - messages same | 18:31 |
| elfy | brainwash: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmA-9EbkJPYddDVzSk5RdHotTVpRMlc5aGFicDJ2X0E#gid=0 | 18:31 |
| brainwash | thanks | 18:31 |
| brainwash | the package got uploaded 7 hours ago | 18:32 |
| brainwash | so it will be fixed tomorrow or whenever a new iso is built | 18:32 |
| elfy | ok - sound and messages? | 18:32 |
| brainwash | yes | 18:33 |
| knome | elfy, even live session has the correct wallpaper? | 18:47 |
| elfy | knome: yep | 18:48 |
| knome | jolly :) | 18:48 |
| elfy | seems both bugs are fixed | 18:48 |
| knome | mhm | 18:48 |
| knome | bah, i almost got stuck in an elevator and was about to be much later in the meeting | 18:49 |
| elfy | actually I will dblcheck after install state | 18:49 |
| knome | yep | 18:49 |
| knome | anyway, nice progress! | 18:49 |
| elfy | yea :) | 18:49 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 18:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 10 18:59:12 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:59 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 18:59 |
| knome | who's here for the meeting? | 18:59 |
| slickymaster | o/ sort of in and out. I have a fish baking in the oven | 19:00 |
| jjfrv8-work | me too, in and out that is | 19:00 |
| Unit193 | I should be here, but doing other things so may be reading backlog every so often. | 19:01 |
| knome | !team | meeting time | 19:01 |
| ubottu | meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 19:01 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 19:02 |
| knome | #done Wallpaper issues fixed - thanks to xnox | 19:02 |
| knome | #info IBus should be now dropped by default and not cause problems | 19:03 |
| knome | #done knome fixed the website archives | 19:03 |
| knome | hmm, we're clearly quiet and small in numbers today | 19:04 |
| Unit193 | Still on the image from today. | 19:04 |
| elfy | ibus is still installed from today's image | 19:04 |
| Unit193 | parole, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and other recent fixes count? | 19:05 |
| knome | Unit193, sure. | 19:05 |
| RFleming | Greetings! | 19:05 |
| RFleming | Indicator icons have changed I see. | 19:05 |
| knome | RFleming, we're in the middle of a meeting, you might want to wait for a bit. | 19:06 |
| RFleming | knome, apologies | 19:06 |
| knome | no problem | 19:06 |
| Unit193 | #done xfce4-indicator-plugin patched and uploaded to start the indicators. | 19:06 |
| Unit193 | (not by me.) | 19:06 |
| knome | #done knome started writing the release annoucement/notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final | 19:07 |
| knome | #topic Announcements | 19:07 |
| knome | #info Final release in one week (!) | 19:07 |
| elfy | #info 32 bit upgrade tests since April 1st - 3 normal 3 LTS | 19:07 |
| elfy | #info 64 bit - the same | 19:07 |
| knome | elfy, i can do one on real hardware, real data some day | 19:08 |
| elfy | a good % of those we have were hardware | 19:08 |
| elfy | but we've still not had many | 19:08 |
| knome | are you happy with that, or should we try to get more? | 19:08 |
| Unit193 | I can do one more hardware one, but I'm delaying because :uptime: | 19:09 |
| elfy | get more | 19:09 |
| elfy | at least if we can | 19:09 |
| slickymaster | I can only do them on virtual enviroments :( | 19:09 |
| knome | elfy, i know this is an absurd question and the only right answer is "as much as possible", but how much more would you like to see? | 19:09 |
| knome | we could try to catch some people from social media etc. who are running 12.04 | 19:10 |
| elfy | at least what we've had up to now would be nice | 19:10 |
| knome | and guide them hand-in-hand through the stuff | 19:10 |
| elfy | s/at least double | 19:10 |
| knome | yeah.. | 19:10 |
| knome | i'm more worried about the LTS->LTS path | 19:10 |
| knome | Unit193, 32 or 64? | 19:10 |
| Unit193 | Saucy 32. | 19:11 |
| mzr | are you looking for all physical at this point or still both? | 19:11 |
| knome | right, saucy... | 19:11 |
| elfy | same - could do a specific call for it - but I think it would be better to try and grab people from social if possible | 19:11 |
| knome | mzr, physical, real installations would be the best | 19:11 |
| knome | mzr, because that's a "real" test | 19:11 |
| mzr | yeah, figures | 19:12 |
| knome | #action knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through) | 19:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through) | 19:12 |
| elfy | might be worth getting some sort of straw poll on when people are actually about | 19:12 |
| knome | evening/night-time utc is usually active at least | 19:13 |
| elfy | yep | 19:13 |
| knome | i'll look into it | 19:13 |
| elfy | I'm not going to be about during the day UTC till release day | 19:13 |
| knome | mhm, that's ok | 19:14 |
| knome | #topic Other issues | 19:14 |
| knome | anything else? | 19:14 |
| elfy | not from me | 19:14 |
| slickymaster | nothing from me | 19:15 |
| knome | #topic Schedule next meeting | 19:15 |
| knome | do we want one more before release? | 19:15 |
| knome | tue? wed? | 19:15 |
| elfy | tue would be better perhaps | 19:16 |
| knome | yep, some time to react | 19:16 |
| elfy | could make sure we've got all the known issues for the release notes too | 19:16 |
| knome | yep | 19:16 |
| knome | though we should do that during the week as well | 19:16 |
| elfy | indeed - I will try to get that closer beforehand | 19:17 |
| knome | yep | 19:17 |
| knome | i think we're pretty good though | 19:17 |
| knome | #info Next meeting: Tue 15 April 2014, 19UTC | 19:17 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 19:17 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 19:17:59 2014 UTC. | 19:17 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-10-18.59.moin.txt | 19:17 |
| knome | thanks | 19:17 |
| slickymaster | thanks knome | 19:18 |
| knome | lderan, #done still not working ;) | 19:18 |
| slickymaster | -> | 19:18 |
| elfy | thanks knome | 19:18 |
| mzr | if you need people to help with getting old LTS'ers to upgrade I'd be glad to assist | 19:19 |
| Unit193 | Short enough. Also, got the annoying black screen thing from light-locker, had to restart lightdm. :/ | 19:19 |
| elfy | knome: why is it not possible to add bugs to the .1 blueprint - was going to move the ibus one | 19:22 |
| knome | mzr, that would be useful, ask elfy for detals | 19:23 |
| knome | elfy, hmm.. | 19:23 |
| elfy | mzr: what arch - and I'll grab the testcase I'd like done :) | 19:23 |
| mzr | not thinking we're on the same page... | 19:24 |
| elfy | ohhh | 19:24 |
| elfy | you mean - getting others to do it ? | 19:24 |
| mzr | that is what I meant, hard for me to do anything that's not vm | 19:25 |
| knome | elfy, dunno, i can do it | 19:26 |
| elfy | well - the social admins will do that | 19:26 |
| elfy | knome: I'll login and have another go ... | 19:26 |
| knome | moved ;) | 19:26 |
| elfy | ta - I could do it now :p | 19:27 |
| knome | heh, good | 19:27 |
| elfy | I forgot I was trying to login to things earlier when login.ubuntu went down | 19:27 |
| knome | brainwash, any specific reason bug 1301873 was linked to the .1 blueprint? | 19:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1301873 in Xfwm4 "Add support for title-less windows" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301873 | 19:28 |
| mzr | sorry elfy, wish i could help you out with that | 19:28 |
| brainwash | it should be tested until .1 | 19:28 |
| elfy | mzr: that's ok | 19:28 |
| knome | brainwash, yes... but it's a new feature, not a bug fix | 19:28 |
| brainwash | it is a bug fix | 19:29 |
| brainwash | for incomplete support | 19:29 |
| knome | for what issue? | 19:29 |
| brainwash | :) | 19:29 |
| brainwash | read the upstream report | 19:29 |
| brainwash | but feel free to remove it :( | 19:29 |
| knome | well, i'm just thinking it's not probably high priority for an SRU | 19:30 |
| brainwash | wishlist then | 19:30 |
| knome | the bug status is fine as it is.. | 19:30 |
| knome | but how does that bug impact regular trusty installations? | 19:31 |
| brainwash | it does not affect them | 19:32 |
| brainwash | unless you install apps which are title-less | 19:32 |
| brainwash | do we already need to talk about 14.04.1? :) | 19:33 |
| knome | yes... | 19:33 |
| knome | sorry, but i'm dropping the bug | 19:33 |
| knome | feel free to get it tested | 19:33 |
| brainwash | ok | 19:33 |
| knome | and i have nothing against including it in .1 | 19:34 |
| knome | just want that blueprint to have the most prominent stuff | 19:34 |
| knome | that we really really want to fix | 19:34 |
| knome | there are bugs for every release to fix ;) | 19:34 |
| brainwash | sure | 19:36 |
| === Guest24328 is now known as Logan_ | ||
| * Logan_ waves | 19:41 | |
| brainwash | hi Logan_ | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Hellos. | 19:41 |
| brainwash | Logan_: any success with the abiword packaging? | 19:45 |
| elfy | evening Logan_ :) | 19:45 |
| elfy | at least it is here ... | 19:45 |
| Logan_ | elfy: afternoon 😊 | 19:48 |
| Logan_ | brainwash: haven't taken a look yet | 19:48 |
| GuilhermeBCM | Hello, I've upgraded my system from Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04. I've noticed two issues. First one is lack of Ubuntu One client. The second is that, after resume the laptop, I can unlock it with my password, but I receive a blank screen. I have to <CTRL>+<ALT>+<F1> and issue a reboot directly on the console. | 20:52 |
| GuilhermeBCM | What is the correct channel to report these problems? | 20:54 |
| ochosi | GuilhermeBCM: ubuntu one has been discontinued, so that's not a surprise | 20:57 |
| ochosi | GuilhermeBCM: that second issue is known and being worked on, so no need to report it anymore | 20:57 |
| ochosi | brainwash: thanks for looking into that parole issue. i was pretty sure it was a missing codec/gst-plugin problem to begin with. guess that'll be a small packaging update... | 20:59 |
| ochosi | brainwash: also thanks for the ll debugging | 20:59 |
| GuilhermeBCM | I did not know about Ubuntu One being discontinued. I use it a lot... :( | 21:00 |
| ochosi | GuilhermeBCM: then better backup your stuff... https://one.ubuntu.com/services/shutdown/ | 21:00 |
| GuilhermeBCM | Maybe it's time to setup encryption in my tiki blog and use it instead... :D | 21:01 |
| GuilhermeBCM | I have some files shared with my wife, and also in my desktop and laptop. I use the service most like a central point for file sync. Maybe I return to unison. :-/ | 21:03 |
| GuilhermeBCM | But thanks anyway. | 21:03 |
| Noskcaj | Would you guys support https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfburn/bugfixes/+merge/215094 being uploaded? | 21:24 |
| knome | Noskcaj, under final freeze, no | 21:24 |
| knome | blu-ray support sounds like a feature | 21:25 |
| Noskcaj | makes sense | 21:25 |
| Noskcaj | I'll make an SRU when we release | 21:25 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: looks we got a broken help button in xfce4-power-manager :) | 21:28 |
| ochosi | brainwash: known bug | 21:28 |
| brainwash | since 4.10 | 21:28 |
| ochosi | and i think eric even worked on a fix already | 21:28 |
| brainwash | yes | 21:29 |
| brainwash | I know :D | 21:29 |
| ochosi | not sure whether he has pushed it to his branch already | 21:29 |
| ochosi | anyway, as i mentioned previously, after 14.04 there'll be some time to get xfpm in better shape than it currently is (it can only get better..) | 21:29 |
| ochosi | brainwash: what's the last status on the lid-suspend problem? | 21:29 |
| brainwash | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=5add232a73e348b0aa56aedfb4cb75051e817c84 | 21:30 |
| brainwash | ochosi: hard to tell, it's like going in circles | 21:30 |
| ochosi | :/ | 21:30 |
| ochosi | so it's unclear again what the culprit is? | 21:30 |
| brainwash | I'm not sure | 21:32 |
| brainwash | we need to test gnome-screen-saver | 21:32 |
| brainwash | gnome-screensaver | 21:33 |
| ochosi | didn't someone on say (on the bugreport or ml) that g-s worked for them? | 21:34 |
| brainwash | maybe | 21:36 |
| brainwash | I'll try to find the comment | 21:36 |
| Unit193 | https://unit193.net/what.png <--- there's the xfwm bug, root pixmap seems to be written to and not updated correctly. VLC was goofing up, and when I changed desktops the area finally updated, before it was sections of VLC. | 21:46 |
| brainwash | looks like some demon is trying to enter your desktop | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | Yes, yes there is. 0_o | 21:52 |
| Unit193 | (Nah, second desktop. :P ) | 21:52 |
| Noskcaj | Should we try and get a final freeze upload of parole for bug 1278089 ? | 22:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1278089 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole reports "Gstreamer backend error, could not initialise supporting library" in trusty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278089 | 22:11 |
| Noskcaj | "high" priority, minor fix | 22:11 |
| knome | guess we should fix the packaging and make that package a recommends of parole | 22:13 |
| brainwash | strange, the package is included on the iso | 22:14 |
| Noskcaj | depends or recommends? Since parole is breaking when it's not installed | 22:14 |
| knome | only some files | 22:15 |
| brainwash | recommends | 22:15 |
| brainwash | currently it's suggests | 22:15 |
| brainwash | but why is the package present on the iso? | 22:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree, recommends should be fine | 22:16 |
| brainwash | does the iso include all the "suggests:" packages? | 22:17 |
| Unit193 | No. | 22:17 |
| Noskcaj | lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/parole/missing-depend | 22:17 |
| Noskcaj | I have to go to school now, if you guys think the branch is all good, please propose it for merging | 22:18 |
| brainwash | I would have also moved -good to recommends | 22:26 |
| brainwash | xubuntu-restricted-addons installs -bad -ugly -libav | 22:26 |
| brainwash | -good contains "PulseAudio plugin library" | 22:27 |
| knome | brainwash, changes under final freeze should be well argumented; how do you argument also moving -good? | 22:27 |
| brainwash | totem does the same :) | 22:28 |
| brainwash | yeah, I don't expect it to happen | 22:28 |
| knome | we can do that for .1 :P | 22:28 |
| brainwash | we got no information about the benefit of adding -good too | 22:29 |
| knome | :) | 22:29 |
| brainwash | just noticed that xubuntu-restricted-addons won't install it (restricted stuff) | 22:29 |
| brainwash | so I was wondering what would install it | 22:30 |
| brainwash | on a default xubuntu installation | 22:30 |
| brainwash | oh.. I was about to ask if anyone can confirm bug 1304128 | 22:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 22:47 |
| brainwash | ToZ: ^ | 22:47 |
| brainwash | :) | 22:47 |
| ToZ | yep, that one was mine | 22:48 |
| ToZ | happened during the 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade. Don't think xscreensaver was removed | 22:49 |
| brainwash | does it get selected if you autoremove packages? | 22:50 |
| brainwash | I assume that xscreensaver is set to "manual" installed in apt | 22:51 |
| ToZ | I don't have that system up anymore, but I always autoremove and the end of installs/upgrades and it was still there. | 22:51 |
| brainwash | would be great if someone else could confirm it | 22:51 |
| brainwash | clean install of 12.04 -> 14.04 | 22:52 |
| brainwash | and maybe 13.10 -> 14.04 | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | I'll be doing some testing for Unit193 tomorrow, brainwash. After that I can take a stabe at those | 22:53 |
| brainwash | thanks you :) | 22:53 |
| brainwash | thank | 22:53 |
| ToZ | I'll see if I can find some free time this weekend to do another 12.04 to 14.04 to verify this as well. | 22:54 |
| brainwash | so, if it remains on the system, we could add a note to the release page | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | if it still happens, I'll add that note | 22:54 |
| brainwash | great | 22:54 |
| brainwash | anyone affected by bug 1210898? I've uploaded a package for testing (see comment #11) | 23:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 23:22 |
| ToZ | brainwash, working fine here - just auto-mounted external usb drive | 23:23 |
| brainwash | ok, I'll test it later, but I do remember that my test system mounted some external usb drive fine too | 23:26 |
| brainwash | automatically | 23:26 |
| ToZ | brainwash, DVD movie automounted fine and starting playing | 23:28 |
| brainwash | so it does not affect all users (if any at all using 14.04) and it's only a minor annoyance anyway | 23:30 |
| brainwash | ToZ: thanks for testing it :) | 23:31 |
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