[00:00] ok, I see the note now [00:19] Logan_, if you happen to get a free moment, would you mind merging... [00:19] https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-indicator-plugin/upstart-init/+merge/214713 [00:22] * Logan_ looks [00:30] :) [00:30] ochosi: merged your branch === `Fibz is now known as j4jackj [00:49] bluesabre: sorry, forgot to say that I uploaded it [00:49] haha, thanks Logan_ [00:55] Indeed, thanks. [01:04] brainwash: poke [01:11] zequence: What'd you decide to go for, in terms of LTS support timeframe? === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ [01:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/14.04/LTS-proposal Ah. === Logan_ is now known as Guest24328 [01:55] Hello everyone [02:21] hello CajunTechie. DId you end up finding something to work on? [02:40] micahg, mrpouit: I think xubuntu-meta needs one more refresh [02:42] bluesabre: ok, I can run that now [02:42] great, thanks a lot micahg! [02:43] need to head to bed now, bbl [03:03] Noskcaj, Not yet. Still looking to connect with folks. [06:03] micahg: did you get to update xubuntu-meta? [06:04] bluesabre: do you know what's going on with removing ibus? [06:04] all I saw was a comment by knome last night agreeing with me [06:04] elfy: I merged the branch that removes it [06:04] xubuntu-meta needs refreshed for it to take effect [06:05] awesome - thanks [06:06] [23:08:50] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.179 => 2.180] (xubuntu) [06:08] update mangler has stopped showing up in the last day or so [06:08] not that I actually use it [06:10] Congrats, glad you got rid of it. [06:10] lol [06:11] just thinking about 'user a' [06:11] really not thinking about people like us 'user z' :) [06:12] I think I'm user 㔕 [06:26] good morning folks [06:26] morning [07:00] the purple software center looks pretty strange with the new whiskermenu layout === knome_ is now known as knome [07:04] micahg, Unit193: if not else, we can pop in a new release of midori in .1 [07:04] what about the abiword stuff? [07:04] the upstream statuses are fix released, will we be picking those fixes? [07:11] knome: Wut? [07:11] wut wat [07:12] Unit193, have you got a trusty installation handy? [07:12] Not one to break, but yeah. [07:12] can you smoketest https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-xkb-plugin/lp-733563/+merge/214365 ? [07:13] knome, both patches had been tested by others, but i can't [07:13] local install too broken [07:13] Noskcaj, can you get them leave a comment on the MP? [07:13] ok [07:13] thanks [07:14] Nice, so tested already. The midori talk was in -ot, not here. :P [07:14] Unit193, re: midori: so? [07:14] why should we divert discussion to -ot? [07:15] I'm saying, it's not Xubuntu really, not seeded and Debian doesn't have a newer one released, just my usual rambleing. [07:15] yeah, but if it's a nice release, would be nice to get it in [07:15] It's no longer released on xfce.org [07:15] aha [07:16] So, I'd be glad to have someone else review and fix it the rest of the way, but.. [07:16] Anything after release would have to be an SRU. [07:17] i acknowledge [07:20] Unit193, Maybe contact corsac, he maintains midori in debian [07:20] Noskcaj: See -ot, no he doesn't. [07:21] oh [07:22] * Noskcaj nominates Unit193 as the new maintainer [07:22] He was only an uploader, not the maintainer. [07:28] bbl [07:35] xfburn o.5.2 merge now up [10:37] fujiwarat │ brainwash: Right, ibus-daemon picks up the current session layout so probably your desktop does not pick up /etc/default/keyboard. [11:10] fujiwarat │ ibus enables only keymaps in simple.xml and other are considered upon the request. ibus won't check /etc/default/keyboard. It would be the task for desktop. [11:11] should drop the kb layout bug report from -bugs after dropping ibus? [11:13] maybe also add "xfce4-session" to it and mark as wishlist [11:45] brainwash, should move it to the .1 blueprint and keep the importance [11:52] uhm, "right [11:53] any reason you see why not? [11:54] it's fine to move it [11:56] but we need to add some Xfce component to it, otherwise it's an ibus issue (which may be not fixed according to fujiwarat) [11:58] and we have to deal with upgraders [11:59] unless ibus is removed during the upgrade process [12:00] my take is... [12:00] either you use ibus, or don't [12:00] if you don't, you don't care about the upgrade process [12:00] if you do, well, you probably just want it to work, and we should be mostly okay by communicating the situation to people [12:01] wait [12:01] i misunderstood [12:01] (or -read) [12:01] yeah, we should take care ibus is removed... i guess. [12:01] or make a mention in the release notes [12:02] the situation is far from perfect, but how do you fix it? [12:02] adding an xfce component or not, we should look at fixing the original bug with .1 [12:04] true, we need some more time to fix it properly [12:05] i think dropping ibus from the default installation is the best of the bad options we have [12:05] i don't know how we make sure ibus is removed on upgrade [12:05] maybe removing it and everything that depends on it from the seed? [12:08] not sure, we removed xscreensaver completely, but still got a report that it did not get removed while upgrading to 14.04 [12:10] ? has Trusty Tahr been given an RC1 status? [12:11] the solution is for ibus is very simple, we need to echo the current system kb layout to the session (setxkbmap) before ibus starts [12:12] still, if ibus does not know this kb layout, like for example "de (nodeadkeys)", it will fall back to "us" [12:15] we can provide the workaround for the first part, but the second part (missing layouts in ibus) will still trouble some people [12:19] starrats, in what way "given" ? [12:22] RC1 status instead of Beta status , knome as in prior to the release date next Thursday. [12:22] what are you referring to with "RC status"? [12:24] RC = Release Candidate, a nick on another channel I'm on asked me that and also a discussion going on about what 'x' in xubuntu means, he thinks it is X-Windows like in Xorg and i told him it meant xfce [12:26] see the link I'm posting and scroll down a bit: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-14-04-lts-release-schedule [12:27] afaik, there isn't any special RC images [12:27] if that's what they are asking [12:30] I know that it was a Ubuntu site but yes on what they were asking [12:50] no special images afaik either [12:58] knome: one way or the other we will need to mention ibus in the release notes, depending on if we can remove it on upgrade [12:58] elfy, yep [12:59] elfy, i've added something on the release ntoes [12:59] ok - not looked yet [13:18] bbl [13:40] ochosi: you like g+ want to be another manager of our team? (I'm the only active one, want more for bus factor) [14:20] knome: no, you can't pop in new versions of midori in point releases, but there's always backports [14:20] (and it's unseeded anyways) [14:21] * micahg disappears again [14:29] elfy: now I fully understand the ibus issue and why it works in gnome/unity [14:31] ibus only uses a subset of all the available keymaps, so if a particular keymap is not in the list, it will fall back to "us" [14:31] "gb" is not in the list [14:32] "gb (extended blabala)" is [14:32] micahg, "can't"?:P [14:32] everything is possible! [14:33] brainwash, how do we add those keymaps into the list? [14:33] gnome-settings-daemon asks ibus if it knows about a keymap, if no, then it will deactivate ibus until it's needed again [14:34] mmh.. [14:34] knome: via bug report I guess [14:34] upstream [14:34] BUT [14:34] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924314 [14:34] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 924314 in ibus "iBus failed to switch between pinyin and UK English in Emacs." [Unspecified,Closed: rawhide] [14:34] "Closing this bug If you're fine with gb(extd)." [14:35] hmm [14:35] so this needs to be fixed upstream in ibus [14:35] right... [14:35] for every broken languge, that is, right? [14:35] either we add all the missing keymaps or request to implement a sane fallback solution [14:35] indeed, mostly for all the missing layout variants [14:35] can the keymaps be, in a way or another, "just" symlinks ? [14:36] or equivalent [14:37] ibus does not provide the keymap files... it only checks its own list (simple xml) file [14:37] aha [14:37] adding a keymap to ibus is therefore really easy [14:37] right [14:37] so.. [14:38] see /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml [14:38] tell me more about gnome-settings-daemon [14:38] when does it ask for a layout? [14:38] g-s-d has some sort of ibus integration [14:38] i don't think i have ibus installed ;d [14:38] hmm [14:38] or just have that file [14:39] the file is provided by ibus [14:40] we could add "gb" downstream [14:40] and "de (nodeadkeys)" [14:40] and .. === qwebirc984668 is now known as slickymasterWork [14:40] :) [14:41] mm yeah [14:41] or write a simple daemon that does ibus integration? [14:41] or, simple and simple... [14:42] we could add it to xfsettingsd [14:42] but that's meh somehow [14:43] i have ibus installed, but not that file... [14:44] hmm, wait, i don't [14:44] ibus: /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml [14:44] i had some ibus stuff on the menu [14:44] which is why i thought i had ibus... [14:46] so the whole thing is rather complicated to fix, if the ibus maintainer strictly avoids to bloat the keymap list [14:46] well, i can understand that [14:49] so we should drop the report completely, if the user wants ibus, then he should be able to configure it (select the layouts he needs) [14:50] if a keymap is not listed, then he should bother the ibus dev [14:50] well, [14:51] it's targeting gnome and is maintained by a redhat dev, why should Xfce bother about it [15:38] bluesabre: ping [15:50] bluesabre: added a comment to bug 1278089 [15:50] bug 1278089 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole reports "Gstreamer backend error, could not initialise supporting library" in trusty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278089 [16:40] brainwash: thanks for all that info - but if we're not going to use it then my interest will wane quickly :) [16:42] elfy: right, we don't know if ibus will make its comeback [16:43] well ... my only interest in it starts and ends at the fact that suddenly it didn't work for us - previous to that I had no idea it was even there :) [16:43] if people want or need it then they'll be setting it up anyway with sane values for them [16:43] exactly [16:44] as we're losing it - the QA leads interest has come to an abrupt halt :) [16:47] hi, how do I report a bug? (Alt-1 to switch tab is not working on xubuntu beta) [16:47] generally not working? [16:48] there are different apps with tab support [16:48] yes, doesn't work on firefox, gvim, xfce4-terminal [16:48] works ok here in hexchat/firefox [16:49] mhm... maybe it's already fixed... [16:49] and xfce4-term [16:49] I'm updated to about 7 hours ago [16:49] create a new user account and try to confirm it [16:50] I'll try that when I get home :) [16:50] and if you want to report a bug, simply run "ubuntu-bug " [16:51] package would be.. hmm, not easy to tell which package could be the culprit [16:51] oh... I have done that before but forgot about it this time, I was lost at xubuntu.org/contribute and the faq ^^ [16:53] did you maybe change or add a keyboard shortcut which involves and 1? [16:55] not as far as I know, but I'll check, maybe I did it by accident [16:55] I thought this was happening to everyone [16:56] ok, so please test it with a new user account and report a bug if needed [16:56] thanks :) [16:56] I'll do that, thanks to you too [18:01] meeting time, no? [18:01] not yet slickymaster :) [18:02] an hour yet [18:02] wasn't it at 19:00 UTC? [18:02] Thu Apr 10 18:02:28 UTC 2014 [18:02] it is at 19:00 UTC :) [18:03] damn, forgot we changed the hour to daylight settings over here [18:03] ha ha ha [18:08] so today's daily - has proper wallpapers \o/ [18:08] and a list of keyboard layouts for ibus ... [18:19] i will be at the meeting, but might be a tad late [18:19] see you later [18:19] -> [18:28] elfy: wallpapers! :) [18:30] I did not save the link to your lid close test run spreadsheet [18:31] sound is still not enabled - messages same [18:31] brainwash: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmA-9EbkJPYddDVzSk5RdHotTVpRMlc5aGFicDJ2X0E#gid=0 [18:31] thanks [18:32] the package got uploaded 7 hours ago [18:32] so it will be fixed tomorrow or whenever a new iso is built [18:32] ok - sound and messages? [18:33] yes [18:47] elfy, even live session has the correct wallpaper? [18:48] knome: yep [18:48] jolly :) [18:48] seems both bugs are fixed [18:48] mhm [18:49] bah, i almost got stuck in an elevator and was about to be much later in the meeting [18:49] actually I will dblcheck after install state [18:49] yep [18:49] anyway, nice progress! [18:49] yea :) [18:59] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [18:59] Meeting started Thu Apr 10 18:59:12 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:59] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [18:59] who's here for the meeting? [19:00] o/ sort of in and out. I have a fish baking in the oven [19:00] me too, in and out that is [19:01] I should be here, but doing other things so may be reading backlog every so often. [19:01] !team | meeting time [19:01] meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [19:02] #topic Team updates [19:02] #done Wallpaper issues fixed - thanks to xnox [19:03] #info IBus should be now dropped by default and not cause problems [19:03] #done knome fixed the website archives [19:04] hmm, we're clearly quiet and small in numbers today [19:04] Still on the image from today. [19:04] ibus is still installed from today's image [19:05] parole, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and other recent fixes count? [19:05] Unit193, sure. [19:05] Greetings! [19:05] Indicator icons have changed I see. [19:06] RFleming, we're in the middle of a meeting, you might want to wait for a bit. [19:06] knome, apologies [19:06] no problem [19:06] #done xfce4-indicator-plugin patched and uploaded to start the indicators. [19:06] (not by me.) [19:07] #done knome started writing the release annoucement/notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final [19:07] #topic Announcements [19:07] #info Final release in one week (!) [19:07] #info 32 bit upgrade tests since April 1st - 3 normal 3 LTS [19:07] #info 64 bit - the same [19:08] elfy, i can do one on real hardware, real data some day [19:08] a good % of those we have were hardware [19:08] but we've still not had many [19:08] are you happy with that, or should we try to get more? [19:09] I can do one more hardware one, but I'm delaying because :uptime: [19:09] get more [19:09] at least if we can [19:09] I can only do them on virtual enviroments :( [19:09] elfy, i know this is an absurd question and the only right answer is "as much as possible", but how much more would you like to see? [19:10] we could try to catch some people from social media etc. who are running 12.04 [19:10] at least what we've had up to now would be nice [19:10] and guide them hand-in-hand through the stuff [19:10] s/at least double [19:10] yeah.. [19:10] i'm more worried about the LTS->LTS path [19:10] Unit193, 32 or 64? [19:11] Saucy 32. [19:11] are you looking for all physical at this point or still both? [19:11] right, saucy... [19:11] same - could do a specific call for it - but I think it would be better to try and grab people from social if possible [19:11] mzr, physical, real installations would be the best [19:11] mzr, because that's a "real" test [19:12] yeah, figures [19:12] #action knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through) [19:12] ACTION: knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through) [19:12] might be worth getting some sort of straw poll on when people are actually about [19:13] evening/night-time utc is usually active at least [19:13] yep [19:13] i'll look into it [19:13] I'm not going to be about during the day UTC till release day [19:14] mhm, that's ok [19:14] #topic Other issues [19:14] anything else? [19:14] not from me [19:15] nothing from me [19:15] #topic Schedule next meeting [19:15] do we want one more before release? [19:15] tue? wed? [19:16] tue would be better perhaps [19:16] yep, some time to react [19:16] could make sure we've got all the known issues for the release notes too [19:16] yep [19:16] though we should do that during the week as well [19:17] indeed - I will try to get that closer beforehand [19:17] yep [19:17] i think we're pretty good though [19:17] #info Next meeting: Tue 15 April 2014, 19UTC [19:17] #endmeeting [19:17] Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 19:17:59 2014 UTC. [19:17] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-10-18.59.moin.txt [19:17] thanks [19:18] thanks knome [19:18] lderan, #done still not working ;) [19:18] -> [19:18] thanks knome [19:19] if you need people to help with getting old LTS'ers to upgrade I'd be glad to assist [19:19] Short enough. Also, got the annoying black screen thing from light-locker, had to restart lightdm. :/ [19:22] knome: why is it not possible to add bugs to the .1 blueprint - was going to move the ibus one [19:23] mzr, that would be useful, ask elfy for detals [19:23] elfy, hmm.. [19:23] mzr: what arch - and I'll grab the testcase I'd like done :) [19:24] not thinking we're on the same page... [19:24] ohhh [19:24] you mean - getting others to do it ? [19:25] that is what I meant, hard for me to do anything that's not vm [19:26] elfy, dunno, i can do it [19:26] well - the social admins will do that [19:26] knome: I'll login and have another go ... [19:26] moved ;) [19:27] ta - I could do it now :p [19:27] heh, good [19:27] I forgot I was trying to login to things earlier when login.ubuntu went down [19:28] brainwash, any specific reason bug 1301873 was linked to the .1 blueprint? [19:28] bug 1301873 in Xfwm4 "Add support for title-less windows" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301873 [19:28] sorry elfy, wish i could help you out with that [19:28] it should be tested until .1 [19:28] mzr: that's ok [19:28] brainwash, yes... but it's a new feature, not a bug fix [19:29] it is a bug fix [19:29] for incomplete support [19:29] for what issue? [19:29] :) [19:29] read the upstream report [19:29] but feel free to remove it :( [19:30] well, i'm just thinking it's not probably high priority for an SRU [19:30] wishlist then [19:30] the bug status is fine as it is.. [19:31] but how does that bug impact regular trusty installations? [19:32] it does not affect them [19:32] unless you install apps which are title-less [19:33] do we already need to talk about 14.04.1? :) [19:33] yes... [19:33] sorry, but i'm dropping the bug [19:33] feel free to get it tested [19:33] ok [19:34] and i have nothing against including it in .1 [19:34] just want that blueprint to have the most prominent stuff [19:34] that we really really want to fix [19:34] there are bugs for every release to fix ;) [19:36] sure === Guest24328 is now known as Logan_ [19:41] * Logan_ waves [19:41] hi Logan_ [19:41] Logan_: Hellos. [19:45] Logan_: any success with the abiword packaging? [19:45] evening Logan_ :) [19:45] at least it is here ... [19:48] elfy: afternoon 😊 [19:48] brainwash: haven't taken a look yet [20:52] Hello, I've upgraded my system from Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04. I've noticed two issues. First one is lack of Ubuntu One client. The second is that, after resume the laptop, I can unlock it with my password, but I receive a blank screen. I have to ++ and issue a reboot directly on the console. [20:54] What is the correct channel to report these problems? [20:57] GuilhermeBCM: ubuntu one has been discontinued, so that's not a surprise [20:57] GuilhermeBCM: that second issue is known and being worked on, so no need to report it anymore [20:59] brainwash: thanks for looking into that parole issue. i was pretty sure it was a missing codec/gst-plugin problem to begin with. guess that'll be a small packaging update... [20:59] brainwash: also thanks for the ll debugging [21:00] I did not know about Ubuntu One being discontinued. I use it a lot... :( [21:00] GuilhermeBCM: then better backup your stuff... https://one.ubuntu.com/services/shutdown/ [21:01] Maybe it's time to setup encryption in my tiki blog and use it instead... :D [21:03] I have some files shared with my wife, and also in my desktop and laptop. I use the service most like a central point for file sync. Maybe I return to unison. :-/ [21:03] But thanks anyway. [21:24] Would you guys support https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfburn/bugfixes/+merge/215094 being uploaded? [21:24] Noskcaj, under final freeze, no [21:25] blu-ray support sounds like a feature [21:25] makes sense [21:25] I'll make an SRU when we release [21:28] Noskcaj: looks we got a broken help button in xfce4-power-manager :) [21:28] brainwash: known bug [21:28] since 4.10 [21:28] and i think eric even worked on a fix already [21:29] yes [21:29] I know :D [21:29] not sure whether he has pushed it to his branch already [21:29] anyway, as i mentioned previously, after 14.04 there'll be some time to get xfpm in better shape than it currently is (it can only get better..) [21:29] brainwash: what's the last status on the lid-suspend problem? [21:30] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=5add232a73e348b0aa56aedfb4cb75051e817c84 [21:30] ochosi: hard to tell, it's like going in circles [21:30] :/ [21:30] so it's unclear again what the culprit is? [21:32] I'm not sure [21:32]