[00:00] <bluesabre> ok, I see the note now
[00:19] <bluesabre> Logan_, if you happen to get a free moment, would you mind merging...
[00:19] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-indicator-plugin/upstart-init/+merge/214713
[00:22]  * Logan_ looks
[00:30] <bluesabre> :)
[00:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: merged your branch
[00:49] <Logan_> bluesabre: sorry, forgot to say that I uploaded it
[00:49] <bluesabre> haha, thanks Logan_
[00:55] <Unit193> Indeed, thanks.
[01:04] <bluesabre> brainwash: poke
[01:11] <Unit193> zequence: What'd you decide to go for, in terms of LTS support timeframe?
[01:25] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/14.04/LTS-proposal Ah.
[01:55] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone
[02:21] <Noskcaj_school> hello CajunTechie. DId you end up finding something to work on?
[02:40] <bluesabre> micahg, mrpouit: I think xubuntu-meta needs one more refresh
[02:42] <micahg> bluesabre: ok, I can run that now
[02:42] <bluesabre> great, thanks a lot micahg!
[02:43] <bluesabre> need to head to bed now, bbl
[03:03] <CajunTechie> Noskcaj, Not yet. Still looking to connect with folks.
[06:03] <bluesabre> micahg: did you get to update xubuntu-meta?
[06:04] <elfy> bluesabre: do you know what's going on with removing ibus? 
[06:04] <elfy> all I saw was a comment by knome last night agreeing with me 
[06:04] <bluesabre> elfy: I merged the branch that removes it
[06:04] <bluesabre> xubuntu-meta needs refreshed for it to take effect
[06:05] <elfy> awesome - thanks 
[06:06] <Unit193> [23:08:50] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.179 => 2.180] (xubuntu)
[06:08] <elfy> update mangler has stopped showing up in the last day or so
[06:08] <elfy> not that I actually use it
[06:10] <Unit193> Congrats, glad you got rid of it.
[06:10] <elfy> lol
[06:11] <elfy> just thinking about 'user a' 
[06:11] <elfy> really not thinking about people like us 'user z' :)
[06:12] <Unit193> I think I'm user 㔕
[06:26] <jhenke> good morning folks
[06:26] <elfy> morning
[07:00] <Noskcaj> the purple software center looks pretty strange with the new whiskermenu layout
[07:04] <knome> micahg, Unit193: if not else, we can pop in a new release of midori in .1
[07:04] <knome> what about the abiword stuff?
[07:04] <knome> the upstream statuses are fix released, will we be picking those fixes?
[07:11] <Unit193> knome: Wut?
[07:11] <knome> wut wat
[07:12] <knome> Unit193, have you got a trusty installation handy?
[07:12] <Unit193> Not one to break, but yeah.
[07:12] <knome> can you smoketest https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-xkb-plugin/lp-733563/+merge/214365 ?
[07:13] <Noskcaj> knome, both patches had been tested by others, but i can't
[07:13] <Noskcaj> local install too broken
[07:13] <knome> Noskcaj, can you get them leave a comment on the MP?
[07:13] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:13] <knome> thanks
[07:14] <Unit193> Nice, so tested already.  The midori talk was in -ot, not here. :P
[07:14] <knome> Unit193, re: midori: so?
[07:14] <knome> why should we divert discussion to -ot?
[07:15] <Unit193> I'm saying, it's not Xubuntu really, not seeded and Debian doesn't have a newer one released, just my usual rambleing.
[07:15] <knome> yeah, but if it's a nice release, would be nice to get it in
[07:15] <Unit193> It's no longer released on xfce.org
[07:15] <knome> aha
[07:16] <Unit193> So, I'd be glad to have someone else review and fix it the rest of the way, but..
[07:16] <Unit193> Anything after release would have to be an SRU.
[07:17] <knome> i acknowledge
[07:20] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Maybe contact corsac, he maintains midori in debian
[07:20] <Unit193> Noskcaj: See -ot, no he doesn't.
[07:21] <Noskcaj> oh
[07:22]  * Noskcaj nominates Unit193 as the new maintainer
[07:22] <Unit193> He was only an uploader, not the maintainer.
[07:28] <elfy> bbl
[07:35] <Noskcaj> xfburn o.5.2 merge now up
[10:37] <brainwash> fujiwarat │ brainwash: Right, ibus-daemon picks up the current session layout so probably your desktop does not pick up /etc/default/keyboard.
[11:10] <brainwash> fujiwarat │ ibus enables only keymaps in simple.xml and other are considered upon the request. ibus won't check /etc/default/keyboard. It would be the task for desktop.
[11:11] <brainwash> should drop the kb layout bug report from -bugs after dropping ibus?
[11:13] <brainwash> maybe also add "xfce4-session" to it and mark as wishlist
[11:45] <knome> brainwash, should move it to the .1 blueprint and keep the importance
[11:52] <brainwash> uhm, "right
[11:53] <knome> any reason you see why not?
[11:54] <brainwash> it's fine to move it
[11:56] <brainwash> but we need to add some Xfce component to it, otherwise it's an ibus issue (which may be not fixed according to fujiwarat)
[11:58] <brainwash> and we have to deal with upgraders
[11:59] <brainwash> unless ibus is removed during the upgrade process
[12:00] <knome> my take is...
[12:00] <knome> either you use ibus, or don't
[12:00] <knome> if you don't, you don't care about the upgrade process
[12:00] <knome> if you do, well, you probably just want it to work, and we should be mostly okay by communicating the situation to people
[12:01] <knome> wait
[12:01] <knome> i misunderstood
[12:01] <knome> (or -read)
[12:01] <knome> yeah, we should take care ibus is removed... i guess.
[12:01] <knome> or make a mention in the release notes
[12:02] <knome> the situation is far from perfect, but how do you fix it?
[12:02] <knome> adding an xfce component or not, we should look at fixing the original bug with .1
[12:04] <brainwash> true, we need some more time to fix it properly
[12:05] <knome> i think dropping ibus from the default installation is the best of the bad options we have
[12:05] <knome> i don't know how we make sure ibus is removed on upgrade
[12:05] <knome> maybe removing it and everything that depends on it from the seed?
[12:08] <brainwash> not sure, we removed xscreensaver completely, but still got a report that it did not get removed while upgrading to 14.04
[12:10] <starrats> ? has Trusty Tahr been given an RC1 status?
[12:11] <brainwash> the solution is for ibus is very simple, we need to echo the current system kb layout to the session (setxkbmap) before ibus starts
[12:12] <brainwash> still, if ibus does not know this kb layout, like for example "de (nodeadkeys)", it will fall back to "us"
[12:15] <brainwash> we can provide the workaround for the first part, but the second part (missing layouts in ibus) will still trouble some people
[12:19] <knome> starrats, in what way "given" ?
[12:22] <starrats> RC1 status instead of Beta status , knome as in prior to the release date next Thursday.
[12:22] <knome> what are you referring to with "RC status"?
[12:24] <starrats> RC = Release Candidate, a nick on another channel I'm on asked me that and also a discussion going on about what 'x' in xubuntu means, he thinks it is X-Windows like in Xorg and i told him it meant xfce
[12:26] <starrats> see the link I'm posting and scroll down a bit:   http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-14-04-lts-release-schedule
[12:27] <knome> afaik, there isn't any special RC images
[12:27] <knome> if that's what they are asking
[12:30] <starrats> I know that it was a Ubuntu site but yes on what they were asking
[12:50] <elfy> no special images afaik either
[12:58] <elfy> knome: one way or the other we will need to mention ibus in the release notes, depending on if we can remove it on upgrade
[12:58] <knome> elfy, yep
[12:59] <knome> elfy, i've added something on the release ntoes
[12:59] <elfy> ok - not looked yet
[13:18] <knome> bbl
[13:40] <pleia2> ochosi: you like g+ want to be another manager of our team? (I'm the only active one, want more for bus factor)
[14:20] <micahg> knome: no, you can't pop in new versions of midori in point releases, but there's always backports
[14:20] <micahg> (and it's unseeded anyways)
[14:21]  * micahg disappears again
[14:29] <brainwash> elfy: now I fully understand the ibus issue and why it works in gnome/unity
[14:31] <brainwash> ibus only uses a subset of all the available keymaps, so if a particular keymap is not in the list, it will fall back to "us"
[14:31] <brainwash> "gb" is not in the list
[14:32] <brainwash> "gb (extended blabala)" is
[14:32] <knome> micahg, "can't"?:P
[14:32] <knome> everything is possible!
[14:33] <knome> brainwash, how do we add those keymaps into the list?
[14:33] <brainwash> gnome-settings-daemon asks ibus if it knows about a keymap, if no, then it will deactivate ibus until it's needed again
[14:34] <knome> mmh..
[14:34] <brainwash> knome: via bug report I guess
[14:34] <brainwash> upstream
[14:34] <brainwash> BUT
[14:34] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924314
[14:34] <brainwash> "Closing this bug If you're fine with gb(extd)."
[14:35] <knome> hmm
[14:35] <brainwash> so this needs to be fixed upstream in ibus
[14:35] <knome> right...
[14:35] <knome> for every broken languge, that is, right?
[14:35] <brainwash> either we add all the missing keymaps or request to implement a sane fallback solution
[14:35] <brainwash> indeed, mostly for all the missing layout variants
[14:35] <knome> can the keymaps be, in a way or another, "just" symlinks ?
[14:36] <knome> or equivalent
[14:37] <brainwash> ibus does not provide the keymap files... it only checks its own list (simple xml) file
[14:37] <knome> aha
[14:37] <brainwash> adding a keymap to ibus is therefore really easy
[14:37] <knome> right
[14:37] <knome> so..
[14:38] <brainwash> see /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml
[14:38] <knome> tell me more about gnome-settings-daemon
[14:38] <knome> when does it ask for a layout?
[14:38] <brainwash> g-s-d has some sort of ibus integration
[14:38] <knome> i don't think i have ibus installed ;d
[14:38] <knome> hmm
[14:38] <knome> or just have that file
[14:39] <brainwash> the file is provided by ibus
[14:40] <brainwash> we could add "gb" downstream
[14:40] <brainwash> and "de (nodeadkeys)"
[14:40] <brainwash> and ..
[14:40] <brainwash> :)
[14:41] <knome> mm yeah
[14:41] <knome> or write a simple daemon that does ibus integration?
[14:41] <knome> or, simple and simple...
[14:42] <brainwash> we could add it to xfsettingsd
[14:42] <brainwash> but that's meh somehow
[14:43] <knome> i have ibus installed, but not that file...
[14:44] <knome> hmm, wait, i don't
[14:44] <brainwash> ibus: /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml
[14:44] <knome> i had some ibus stuff on the menu
[14:44] <knome> which is why i thought i had ibus...
[14:46] <brainwash> so the whole thing is rather complicated to fix, if the ibus maintainer strictly avoids to bloat the keymap list
[14:46] <knome> well, i can understand that
[14:49] <brainwash> so we should drop the report completely, if the user wants ibus, then he should be able to configure it (select the layouts he needs)
[14:50] <brainwash> if a keymap is not listed, then he should bother the ibus dev
[14:50] <knome> well,
[14:51] <brainwash> it's targeting gnome and is maintained by a redhat dev, why should Xfce bother about it
[15:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: ping
[15:50] <brainwash> bluesabre: added a comment to bug 1278089
[16:40] <elfy> brainwash: thanks for all that info - but if we're not going to use it then my interest will wane quickly :)
[16:42] <brainwash> elfy: right, we don't know if ibus will make its comeback
[16:43] <elfy> well ... my only interest in it starts and ends at the fact that suddenly it didn't work for us - previous to that I had no idea it was even there :)
[16:43] <elfy> if people want or need it then they'll be setting it up anyway with sane values for them
[16:43] <brainwash> exactly
[16:44] <elfy> as we're losing it - the QA leads interest has come to an abrupt halt :)
[16:47] <juanmontoya> hi, how do I report a bug? (Alt-1 to switch tab is not working on xubuntu beta)
[16:47] <brainwash> generally not working?
[16:48] <brainwash> there are different apps with tab support
[16:48] <juanmontoya> yes, doesn't work on firefox, gvim, xfce4-terminal
[16:48] <elfy> works ok here in hexchat/firefox
[16:49] <juanmontoya> mhm... maybe it's already fixed... 
[16:49] <elfy> and xfce4-term
[16:49] <elfy> I'm updated to about 7 hours ago
[16:49] <brainwash> create a new user account and try to confirm it
[16:50] <juanmontoya> I'll try that when I get home :)
[16:50] <brainwash> and if you want to report a bug, simply run "ubuntu-bug <package>"
[16:51] <brainwash> package would be.. hmm, not easy to tell which package could be the culprit
[16:51] <juanmontoya> oh... I have done that before but forgot about it this time, I was lost at xubuntu.org/contribute and the faq ^^
[16:53] <brainwash> did you maybe change or add a keyboard shortcut which involves <alt> and 1?
[16:55] <juanmontoya> not as far as I know, but I'll check, maybe I did it by accident
[16:55] <juanmontoya> I thought this was happening to everyone
[16:56] <brainwash> ok, so please test it with a new user account and report a bug if needed
[16:56] <brainwash> thanks :)
[16:56] <juanmontoya> I'll do that, thanks to you too
[18:01] <slickymaster> meeting time, no?
[18:01] <elfy> not yet slickymaster :)
[18:02] <elfy> an hour yet
[18:02] <slickymaster> wasn't it at 19:00 UTC?
[18:02] <elfy> Thu Apr 10 18:02:28 UTC 2014
[18:02] <elfy> it is at 19:00 UTC :)
[18:03] <slickymaster> damn, forgot we changed the hour to daylight settings over here
[18:03] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[18:08] <elfy> so today's daily - has proper wallpapers \o/ 
[18:08] <elfy> and a list of keyboard layouts for ibus ... 
[18:19] <knome> i will be at the meeting, but might be a tad late
[18:19] <knome> see you later
[18:19] <knome> ->
[18:28] <brainwash> elfy: wallpapers! :)
[18:30] <brainwash> I did not save the link to your lid close test run spreadsheet
[18:31] <elfy> sound is still not enabled - messages same
[18:31] <elfy> brainwash: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmA-9EbkJPYddDVzSk5RdHotTVpRMlc5aGFicDJ2X0E#gid=0
[18:31] <brainwash> thanks
[18:32] <brainwash> the package got uploaded 7 hours ago
[18:32] <brainwash> so it will be fixed tomorrow or whenever a new iso is built
[18:32] <elfy> ok - sound and messages?
[18:33] <brainwash> yes
[18:47] <knome> elfy, even live session has the correct wallpaper?
[18:48] <elfy> knome: yep 
[18:48] <knome> jolly :)
[18:48] <elfy> seems both bugs are fixed
[18:48] <knome> mhm
[18:49] <knome> bah, i almost got stuck in an elevator and was about to be much later in the meeting
[18:49] <elfy> actually I will dblcheck after install state
[18:49] <knome> yep
[18:49] <knome> anyway, nice progress!
[18:49] <elfy> yea :)
[18:59] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[18:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 10 18:59:12 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:59] <knome> who's here for the meeting?
[19:00] <slickymaster> o/ sort of in and out. I have a fish baking in the oven
[19:00] <jjfrv8-work> me too, in and out that is
[19:01] <Unit193> I should be here, but doing other things so may be reading backlog every so often.
[19:01] <knome> !team | meeting time
[19:02] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:02] <knome> #done Wallpaper issues fixed - thanks to xnox 
[19:03] <knome> #info IBus should be now dropped by default and not cause problems
[19:03] <knome> #done knome fixed the website archives
[19:04] <knome> hmm, we're clearly quiet and small in numbers today
[19:04] <Unit193> Still on the image from today.
[19:04] <elfy> ibus is still installed from today's image
[19:05] <Unit193> parole, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and other recent fixes count?
[19:05] <knome> Unit193, sure.
[19:05] <RFleming> Greetings!
[19:05] <RFleming> Indicator icons have changed I see.
[19:06] <knome> RFleming, we're in the middle of a meeting, you might want to wait for a bit.
[19:06] <RFleming> knome, apologies
[19:06] <knome> no problem
[19:06] <Unit193> #done xfce4-indicator-plugin patched and uploaded to start the indicators.
[19:06] <Unit193> (not by me.)
[19:07] <knome> #done knome started writing the release annoucement/notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final
[19:07] <knome> #topic Announcements
[19:07] <knome> #info Final release in one week (!)
[19:07] <elfy> #info 32 bit upgrade tests since April 1st - 3 normal 3 LTS
[19:07] <elfy> #info 64 bit - the same
[19:08] <knome> elfy, i can do one on real hardware, real data some day
[19:08] <elfy> a good % of those we have were hardware
[19:08] <elfy> but we've still not had many
[19:08] <knome> are you happy with that, or should we try to get more?
[19:09] <Unit193> I can do one more hardware one, but I'm delaying because :uptime:
[19:09] <elfy> get more 
[19:09] <elfy> at least if we can 
[19:09] <slickymaster> I can only do them on virtual enviroments :(
[19:09] <knome> elfy, i know this is an absurd question and the only right answer is "as much as possible", but how much more would you like to see?
[19:10] <knome> we could try to catch some people from social media etc. who are running 12.04
[19:10] <elfy> at least what we've had up to now would be nice
[19:10] <knome> and guide them hand-in-hand through the stuff
[19:10] <elfy> s/at least double
[19:10] <knome> yeah..
[19:10] <knome> i'm more worried about the LTS->LTS path
[19:10] <knome> Unit193, 32 or 64?
[19:11] <Unit193> Saucy 32.
[19:11] <mzr> are you looking for all physical at this point or still both?
[19:11] <knome> right, saucy...
[19:11] <elfy> same - could do a specific call for it - but I think it would be better to try and grab people from social if possible
[19:11] <knome> mzr, physical, real installations would be the best
[19:11] <knome> mzr, because that's a "real" test
[19:12] <mzr> yeah, figures
[19:12] <knome> #action knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through)
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to work with elfy to get some people from social media to run upgrade tests (the team can guide them through)
[19:12] <elfy> might be worth getting some sort of straw poll on when people are actually about 
[19:13] <knome> evening/night-time utc is usually active at least
[19:13] <elfy> yep 
[19:13] <knome> i'll look into it
[19:13] <elfy> I'm not going to be about during the day UTC till release day
[19:14] <knome> mhm, that's ok
[19:14] <knome> #topic Other issues
[19:14] <knome> anything else?
[19:14] <elfy> not from me
[19:15] <slickymaster> nothing from me
[19:15] <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
[19:15] <knome> do we want one more before release?
[19:15] <knome> tue? wed?
[19:16] <elfy> tue would be better perhaps 
[19:16] <knome> yep, some time to react
[19:16] <elfy> could make sure we've got all the known issues for the release notes too
[19:16] <knome> yep
[19:16] <knome> though we should do that during the week as well
[19:17] <elfy> indeed - I will try to get that closer beforehand
[19:17] <knome> yep
[19:17] <knome> i think we're pretty good though
[19:17] <knome> #info Next meeting: Tue 15 April 2014, 19UTC
[19:17] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 19:17:59 2014 UTC.  
[19:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-10-18.59.moin.txt
[19:17] <knome> thanks
[19:18] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[19:18] <knome> lderan, #done still not working ;)
[19:18] <slickymaster> ->
[19:18] <elfy> thanks knome 
[19:19] <mzr> if you need people to help with getting old LTS'ers to upgrade I'd be glad to assist
[19:19] <Unit193> Short enough.  Also, got the annoying black screen thing from light-locker, had to restart lightdm. :/
[19:22] <elfy> knome: why is it not possible to add bugs to the .1 blueprint - was going to move the ibus one
[19:23] <knome> mzr, that would be useful, ask elfy for detals
[19:23] <knome> elfy, hmm..
[19:23] <elfy> mzr: what arch - and I'll grab the testcase I'd like done :)
[19:24] <mzr> not thinking we're on the same page...
[19:24] <elfy> ohhh
[19:24] <elfy> you mean - getting others to do it ?
[19:25] <mzr> that is what I meant, hard for me to do anything that's not vm
[19:26] <knome> elfy, dunno, i can do it
[19:26] <elfy> well - the social admins will do that
[19:26] <elfy> knome: I'll login and have another go ... 
[19:26] <knome> moved ;)
[19:27] <elfy> ta - I could do it now :p
[19:27] <knome> heh, good
[19:27] <elfy> I forgot I was trying to login to things earlier when login.ubuntu went down 
[19:28] <knome> brainwash, any specific reason bug 1301873 was linked to the .1 blueprint?
[19:28] <mzr> sorry elfy, wish i could help you out with that 
[19:28] <brainwash> it should be tested until .1
[19:28] <elfy> mzr: that's ok
[19:28] <knome> brainwash, yes... but it's a new feature, not a bug fix
[19:29] <brainwash> it is a bug fix
[19:29] <brainwash> for incomplete support
[19:29] <knome> for what issue?
[19:29] <brainwash> :)
[19:29] <brainwash> read the upstream report
[19:29] <brainwash> but feel free to remove it :(
[19:30] <knome> well, i'm just thinking it's not probably high priority for an SRU
[19:30] <brainwash> wishlist then
[19:30] <knome> the bug status is fine as it is..
[19:31] <knome> but how does that bug impact regular trusty installations?
[19:32] <brainwash> it does not affect them
[19:32] <brainwash> unless you install apps which are title-less
[19:33] <brainwash> do we already need to talk about 14.04.1? :)
[19:33] <knome> yes...
[19:33] <knome> sorry, but i'm dropping the bug
[19:33] <knome> feel free to get it tested
[19:33] <brainwash> ok
[19:34] <knome> and i have nothing against including it in .1
[19:34] <knome> just want that blueprint to have the most prominent stuff
[19:34] <knome> that we really really want to fix
[19:34] <knome> there are bugs for every release to fix ;)
[19:36] <brainwash> sure
[19:41]  * Logan_ waves
[19:41] <brainwash> hi Logan_ 
[19:41] <Unit193> Logan_: Hellos.
[19:45] <brainwash> Logan_: any success with the abiword packaging?
[19:45] <elfy> evening Logan_ :)
[19:45] <elfy> at least it is here ... 
[19:48] <Logan_> elfy: afternoon 😊
[19:48] <Logan_> brainwash: haven't taken a look yet
[20:52] <GuilhermeBCM> Hello, I've upgraded my system from Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04. I've noticed two issues. First one is lack of Ubuntu One client. The second is that, after resume the laptop, I can unlock it with my password, but I receive a blank screen. I have to <CTRL>+<ALT>+<F1> and issue a reboot directly on the console.
[20:54] <GuilhermeBCM> What is the correct channel to report these problems?
[20:57] <ochosi> GuilhermeBCM: ubuntu one has been discontinued, so that's not a surprise
[20:57] <ochosi> GuilhermeBCM: that second issue is known and being worked on, so no need to report it anymore
[20:59] <ochosi> brainwash: thanks for looking into that parole issue. i was pretty sure it was a missing codec/gst-plugin problem to begin with. guess that'll be a small packaging update...
[20:59] <ochosi> brainwash: also thanks for the ll debugging
[21:00] <GuilhermeBCM> I did not know about Ubuntu One being discontinued. I use it a lot... :(
[21:00] <ochosi> GuilhermeBCM: then better backup your stuff... https://one.ubuntu.com/services/shutdown/
[21:01] <GuilhermeBCM> Maybe it's time to setup encryption in my tiki blog and use it instead... :D
[21:03] <GuilhermeBCM> I have some files shared with my wife, and also in my desktop and laptop. I use the service most like a central point for file sync. Maybe I return to unison. :-/
[21:03] <GuilhermeBCM> But thanks anyway.
[21:24] <Noskcaj> Would you guys support https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfburn/bugfixes/+merge/215094 being uploaded?
[21:24] <knome> Noskcaj, under final freeze, no
[21:25] <knome> blu-ray support sounds like a feature
[21:25] <Noskcaj> makes sense
[21:25] <Noskcaj> I'll make an SRU when we release
[21:28] <brainwash> Noskcaj: looks we got a broken help button in xfce4-power-manager :)
[21:28] <ochosi> brainwash: known bug
[21:28] <brainwash> since 4.10
[21:28] <ochosi> and i think eric even worked on a fix already
[21:29] <brainwash> yes
[21:29] <brainwash> I know :D
[21:29] <ochosi> not sure whether he has pushed it to his branch already
[21:29] <ochosi> anyway, as i mentioned previously, after 14.04 there'll be some time to get xfpm in better shape than it currently is (it can only get better..)
[21:29] <ochosi> brainwash: what's the last status on the lid-suspend problem?
[21:30] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=5add232a73e348b0aa56aedfb4cb75051e817c84
[21:30] <brainwash> ochosi: hard to tell, it's like going in circles
[21:30] <ochosi> :/
[21:30] <ochosi> so it's unclear again what the culprit is?
[21:32] <brainwash> I'm not sure
[21:32] <brainwash> we need to test gnome-screen-saver
[21:33] <brainwash> gnome-screensaver
[21:34] <ochosi> didn't someone on say (on the bugreport or ml) that g-s worked for them?
[21:36] <brainwash> maybe
[21:36] <brainwash> I'll try to find the comment
[21:46] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/what.png <--- there's the xfwm bug, root pixmap seems to be written to and not updated correctly.  VLC was goofing up, and when I changed desktops the area finally updated, before it was sections of VLC.
[21:48] <brainwash> looks like some demon is trying to enter your desktop
[21:52] <Unit193> Yes, yes there is. 0_o
[21:52] <Unit193> (Nah, second desktop. :P )
[22:11] <Noskcaj> Should we try and get a final freeze upload of parole for bug 1278089 ?
[22:11] <Noskcaj> "high" priority, minor fix
[22:13] <knome> guess we should fix the packaging and make that package a recommends of parole
[22:14] <brainwash> strange, the package is included on the iso
[22:14] <Noskcaj> depends or recommends? Since parole is breaking when it's not installed
[22:15] <knome> only some files
[22:15] <brainwash> recommends
[22:15] <brainwash> currently it's suggests
[22:16] <brainwash> but why is the package present on the iso?
[22:16] <ochosi> yeah, i agree, recommends should be fine
[22:17] <brainwash> does the iso include all the "suggests:" packages?
[22:17] <Unit193> No.
[22:17] <Noskcaj> lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/parole/missing-depend
[22:18] <Noskcaj> I have to go to school now, if you guys think the branch is all good, please propose it for merging
[22:26] <brainwash> I would have also moved -good to recommends
[22:26] <brainwash> xubuntu-restricted-addons installs -bad -ugly -libav
[22:27] <brainwash> -good contains "PulseAudio plugin library"
[22:27] <knome> brainwash, changes under final freeze should be well argumented; how do you argument also moving -good?
[22:28] <brainwash> totem does the same :)
[22:28] <brainwash> yeah, I don't expect it to happen
[22:28] <knome> we can do that for .1 :P
[22:29] <brainwash> we got no information about the benefit of adding -good too
[22:29] <knome> :)
[22:29] <brainwash> just noticed that xubuntu-restricted-addons won't install it (restricted stuff)
[22:30] <brainwash> so I was wondering what would install it
[22:30] <brainwash> on a default xubuntu installation
[22:47] <brainwash> oh.. I was about to ask if anyone can confirm bug 1304128
[22:47] <brainwash> ToZ: ^
[22:47] <brainwash> :)
[22:48] <ToZ> yep, that one was mine
[22:49] <ToZ> happened during the 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade. Don't think xscreensaver was removed
[22:50] <brainwash> does it get selected if you autoremove packages?
[22:51] <brainwash> I assume that xscreensaver is set to "manual" installed in apt
[22:51] <ToZ> I don't have that system up anymore, but I always autoremove and the end of installs/upgrades and it was still there.
[22:51] <brainwash> would be great if someone else could confirm it
[22:52] <brainwash> clean install of 12.04 -> 14.04
[22:52] <brainwash> and maybe 13.10 -> 14.04
[22:53] <slickymaster> I'll be doing some testing for Unit193 tomorrow, brainwash. After that I can take a stabe at those
[22:53] <brainwash> thanks you :)
[22:53] <brainwash> thank
[22:54] <ToZ> I'll see if I can find some free time this weekend to do another 12.04 to 14.04 to verify this as well.
[22:54] <brainwash> so, if it remains on the system, we could add a note to the release page
[22:54] <slickymaster> if it still happens, I'll add that note
[22:54] <brainwash> great
[23:22] <brainwash> anyone affected by bug 1210898? I've uploaded a package for testing (see comment #11)
[23:23] <ToZ> brainwash, working fine here - just auto-mounted external usb drive
[23:26] <brainwash> ok, I'll test it later, but I do remember that my test system mounted some external usb drive fine too
[23:26] <brainwash> automatically
[23:28] <ToZ> brainwash, DVD movie automounted fine and starting playing
[23:30] <brainwash> so it does not affect all users (if any at all using 14.04) and it's only a minor annoyance anyway
[23:31] <brainwash> ToZ: thanks for testing it :)