[00:03] <TJ-> trinode: something like this to add the entry: "sudo DEVICE=/dev/sda PART_NUMBER=1 sh -c 'efibootmgr -c -d $DEVICE -p $PART_NUMBER -l /EFI/shellx64.efi -L "EDK2 EFI Shell" '  "
[00:04] <trinode> TJ-: is that on the CD?
[00:05] <trinode> (the efi file)
[00:05] <TJ-> trinode: No, you'll need to download it
[00:06] <TJ-> trinode: " wget http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw "
[00:07] <TJ-> trinode: " wget -O shellx64.efi http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw "
[00:07] <trinode> wasn't ed2k a file sharing thing?
[00:09] <TJ-> I suspect you're thinking of eDonkey
[00:09] <trinode> that's the one
[00:10] <TJ-> EDK == EFI Development Kit
[00:11] <trinode> so drop that into /boot/efi/EFI?
[00:11] <trinode> or in /boot/efi?
[00:12] <TJ-> trinode: "/boot/efi/EFI/" if I recall correctly
[00:13] <TJ-> trinode: Assuming you've got the EFI system partition already mounted at /boot/efi/
[00:13] <trinode> yep
[00:17] <trinode> TJ-: that won't start either
[00:17] <TJ-> Does the menu item appear?
[00:17] <trinode> it does
[00:17] <TJ-> trinode: Is Secure Boot disabled?
[00:17] <trinode> WTF
[00:17] <trinode> it works if i enable CSM
[00:18] <trinode> surely I shouldn't need legacy mode for that shell?
[00:18] <TJ-> Hmmm, maybe on that system enabling CSM is a subtle way of saying "disable Secure Boot"
[00:18] <trinode> nah, that's a seperate option
[00:18] <TJ-> Indeed not - if the Shell loads, it must be using EFI
[00:19] <trinode> it's sort of a hybrid mode
[00:19] <trinode> you have efi stuff plus bios stuff
[00:19] <TJ-> CSM could still be tied to Secure Boot ... there's a lot of buggy EFIs out there
[00:19] <trinode> you have legacy -> uefi + csm -> uefi only
[00:20] <trinode> if you install ubuntu in uefi + csm it installs in BIOS mode
[00:20] <trinode> (grub-pc and all)
[00:21] <trinode> TJ-: one thing the path for the efi file needed to use \\ not /
[00:23] <TJ-> trinode: efibootmgr is supposed to translate the / to \
[00:24] <TJ-> But the shell can do that too, at least I seem to recall it handling the translation last time I was using it
[00:24] <trinode> TJ-: I made 2 entries just in case
[00:24] <trinode> one doesn't work
[00:25] <TJ-> Anyhow, once in the shell you can use the "help" command to see all the available commands, and "help <command> "
[00:26] <TJ-> I used the shell to then manually launch grub's EFI bootloader
[00:26] <TJ-> But now you've figured out that CSM toggle issue I suppose grub will also start
[00:27] <trinode> TJ-: grub does start (I knew CSM made grub work already, but thought it was something daft like grub was setting graphics modes with vesa commands or something)
[00:27] <trinode> TJ-: it will break as soon as I run update-grub
[00:28] <trinode> (I've done this many times today
[00:28] <trinode> )
[00:28] <TJ-> Hmmm! something weird about the installation then!
[00:29] <trinode> is there a way to see what update-grub is about to do?
[00:29] <TJ-> Have you verified the obvious issues like, the disk uses GPT, the 1st partition is FAT32 256MB-512MB in size, type EF00 ?
[00:30] <TJ-> trinode: It re-writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg based on the rules scripts in /etc/grub.d/
[00:30] <trinode> oh damn
[00:31] <trinode> I've saved the contents of /boot/efi to compare
[00:31] <trinode> that's just not good enough :)
[00:33] <trinode> so, how confident are you that if I copy /boot/grub/grub.cfg and run update-grub and then restore the file I'll still have a bootable system?
[00:33] <TJ-> Without seeing the system configuration, and the current grub.cfg, 0%
[00:34] <trinode> hehe
[00:34] <trinode> one more reinstall won't hurt
[00:36] <trinode> hmm, it didn't touch that file
[00:36] <trinode> (md5 not changed)
[00:36] <TJ-> How about the time/date stamp?
[00:36] <TJ-> contents could well be identical, it doesn't insert a timestamp inside the file
[00:37] <trinode> yeah timestamp changed
[00:37] <trinode> so what else does it do?
[00:42] <TJ-> Identify the root cause of the problem. Does the system reach the grub boot menu when you hold Shift down? If not, that infers that the grubx64.efi has a problem
[00:44] <trinode> ubuntu points to shimx64.efi not grub is that correct?
[00:45] <TJ-> Yes, that's the signed (Secure Boot) bootloader that then loads grubx64.efi
[00:46] <trinode> TJ-: since doing that _nothing_ boots
[00:46] <trinode> not even the shell
[00:47] <TJ-> Something wrong with that systems firmware config by the sound of it? what make/model is it?
[00:47] <trinode> Lenovo L540
[00:49] <TJ-> Is the drive an SSD?
[00:49] <dw1> hmm gnome-screensaver still locking up the screen at interval even with activity.. weird
[00:49] <trinode> TJ-: yes
[00:50] <trinode> you thinking of the brick bug?
[00:50] <dw1> before it was because it was loading twice on unplug/replug due to an outdated app, jupiter, which i removed, now just one process
[00:50] <dw1> guess ill just restart it :/
[00:52] <TJ-> trinode: Yes, have you tried "...go into BIOS setup and disable Intel Rapid Start Technology.  This setting is in the Config -> Power menu of BIOS Setup."
[00:52] <trism> dw1: do you mean like bug 1291365 ?
[00:53] <dw1> trism: no, just one lock screen, but its not detecting activity so goes off every 10 mins
[00:56] <trinode> TJ-: it's booting again
[00:56] <trinode> just need to change the boot order, that shell's no good for checking my email
[00:57] <TJ-> trinode: You mean the grub/Ubuntu install is working now?
[00:58] <trinode> yep and the shell
[00:58] <trism> dw1: I'm seeing several bugs like that on gnome-screensaver but they all seem to happen as: unlock the screen, use the computer for a couple minutes, it locks itself again
[00:58] <trinode> but the shell is default, so just changing that now
[00:59] <dw1> trism: mines 10 mins on the regular
[01:01] <trinode> WTF
[01:01] <trinode> grr
[01:01] <trinode> dead again
[01:03] <trinode> ok, turning ON rapid start got it to boot again
[01:03] <trinode> this is insane
[01:05] <trinode> I get one boot everytime I toggle that setting
[01:07] <TJ-> trinode: Any firmware updates available for that system?
[01:07] <trinode> I applied the update when I got it
[01:07] <trinode> (3 days ago)
[01:08] <TJ-> trinode: Looks like a system issue rather than a bootloader or OS
[01:09] <dw1> trism: yeah actually what you quotes sounds right, if my interval were to be set lower
[01:10] <dw1> trism: oh a few seconds?  no...
[01:11] <dw1> trism: maybe itll work itself out.  i think restarting the service fixes it
[01:11] <dw1> trism: which does make it seem like it could be related to that bug
[01:12] <dw1> trism: maybe it starts when i go away for a bit and come back, for example
[01:14] <trism> dw1: yeah I'm not really sure, trying to reproduce it but not having much luck, generally I have blanking disabled (and locking too) and then just manually lock it when I walk away and haven't seen a problem
[01:17] <dw1> where can i adjust the screensaver/blanking settings in 14.04?  feel dumb for not finding it
[01:18] <trism> dw1: System Settings/Brightness and Lock
[01:18] <dw1> only 7 icons in System Settings now, I guess thats normal
[01:18] <dw1> oh no i dont have that
[01:18] <dw1> hmm
[01:19] <trism> strange, are you running gnome-control-center or unity-control-center?
[01:19] <trism> dw1: they were split apart in 14.04
[01:19] <dw1> i upgraded from 13.10 running gnome
[01:20] <dw1> /usr/bin/gnome-control-center.real is running
[01:21] <trism> dw1: so you're using gnome-shell? or flashback?
[01:22] <dw1> gnome-session-fallback on 13.10, seems to still be there
[01:23] <dw1> no gnome-shell
[01:23] <trism> dw1: it's there but it is only transitional for flashback now, which is basically just renamed fallback
[01:24] <trism> dw1: hmm I am seeing the brightness and lock in gnome-control-center on flashback too
[01:24] <dw1> well i logged in after upgrade without a hiccup, so im happy, but yeah apparently missing some icons
[01:25] <trism> dw1: do you have /usr/share/applications/gnome-screen-panel.desktop ?
[01:26] <dw1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9bqvck1kersftn7/shot.png
[01:26] <dw1> yep
[01:27] <trism> dw1: if you run: gnome-control-center screen; does it load up or show the main screen and print an error to the terminal?
[01:27] <dw1> 1 min, some updates running
[01:28] <dw1> seems nothing happens......
[01:28] <dw1> i should reboot for updates i guess
[01:28] <dw1> it has been a little while since last reboot
[01:31] <basketball> what is the most accurate ocr
[01:34] <dw1> trism: ok yeah, gnome-control-center screen loads the System Settings menu, but with a warning that it couldnt find the panel 'screen'
[01:35] <trinode> TJ-: thanks for all your help
[01:36] <trinode> I've made a video showing it only boots after you change a setting in the bios (UEFI) screen and fails to boo if not
[01:36] <TJ-> trinode: you're welcome
[01:36] <trism> dw1: hey I notice that if I remove unity-control-center mine gnome-control-center looks almost like yours
[01:36] <trinode> posting it on the lenovo forums when it's uploaded
[01:36] <trism> dw1: do you have unity-control-center installed? it would seem like you shouldn't need it if not using unity but...
[01:36] <dw1> trism: i do have that package
[01:39] <dw1> trism: there were a few errors on upgrade i suppose
[01:39] <dw1> trism: i didnt write em all down tho :)
[01:40] <dw1> trism: they scrolled by and out of the way rather fast
[01:43] <trism> dw1: what is: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP;
[01:43] <dw1> trism: it says Unity
[01:45] <trism> dw1: mine too which is weird but, if you try: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center; do you see more icons?
[01:46] <dw1> trism: yep a lot more :)
[01:47] <dw1> trism: think you nailed it
[01:47] <dw1> trism: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5v7d7johtpdgze1/shot2.png
[01:50] <trism> dw1: ahh this is why flashback as Unity as the session: bug 1224217
[01:50] <dw1> trism: why do your icons show even with Unity as the desktop? :-/
[01:51] <dw1> trism: i had to ask. :P
[01:51] <trism> dw1: yeah, are you sure unity-control-panel is installed? I only get what you're seeing when I remove it but keep the Unity session var
[01:52] <dw1> trism: oh no im not sure.  i have unity-control-center, not panel
[01:52] <dw1> trism: E: Unable to locate package unity-control-panel
[01:53] <trism> dw1: sorry that was my mistake I meant unity-control-center
[01:54] <dw1> trism: yep.. rc  unity-control-center                                        14.04.3+14.04.20140328-0ubuntu1
[01:54] <trism> dw1: and strange, then I'm really not sure why it isn't showing up by default
[01:54] <trism> dw1: oh rc means uninstalled
[01:54] <dw1> trism: installing :)
[01:54] <trism> dw1: removed but not purged
[01:54] <dw1> trism: odd, i didnt remove it. good to know that
[01:56] <dw1> trism: and resetting the var back to Unity the icons are there. good
[01:56] <dw1> trism: thanks
[01:57] <dw1> trism: now i might lower my screen timings to try to get a bead on the screensaver issue, if it still exists
[02:16] <basketball> anyone here use koding.com for a vm
[02:18] <holstein> basketball: ask in a proper support channel for that product
[02:18] <basketball> yea i know my bad i reasked in #vbox
[05:40] <vkkhurava> I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to general due to wi-fi issue
[05:40] <vkkhurava> *generic
[05:50] <odinsbane> baloo seems broken, and I would be really impressed if it is ready to go when 14.04 is released.
[05:50] <vkkhurava> I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to generic due to wi-fi issue
[05:50] <vkkhurava> pls help
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: did you try the mainline kernels?
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: you can d/load the one you need and install it via dpkg.
[05:51] <vkkhurava> i dont know what is mainline kernels
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: Or, what is the problem with your wifi? Maybe somebody has fixed that?
[05:52] <odinsbane> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[05:52] <odinsbane> ^ that is mainline. Youll need to d/load 3 or 4 files for your architecture.
[05:52] <vkkhurava> earlier on 13.04 & 13.10 there was issue with wifi ... but later resolved replacing kernel with Generic
[05:53] <odinsbane> I don't know what that means 'replacing kernel with Generic', generic is the default kernel that comes with ubuntu.
[05:54] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: maybe you installed backports?
[05:54] <vkkhurava> sorry but as per my understanding ubuntu provide kernel as 3.X.X.X but i have 3.13.0-20-generic
[05:55] <vkkhurava> I am new with linux so I dont know abut backports
[05:56] <odinsbane> Do you know which kernel was working for you?
[05:56] <vkkhurava> yes its 3.13.0-20-generic
[05:56] <odinsbane> and which one do you have now?
[05:57] <vkkhurava> the same one
[06:20] <vkkhurava> Hi, I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest or help
[06:20] <hyde> could someone test this command:
[06:20] <hyde> echo | patch -pq
[06:21] <hyde> ...because it segfaults for me
[06:21] <hyde> actually, just: patch -pq
[06:21] <hyde> is enough, it will segfault before starting to read from stdin
[06:22] <hyde> ...and patch command throwing segfault for invalid command line parameters... WTF?
[06:22] <dw1> same
[06:23] <hyde> so not just me, good
[06:23] <hyde> (means, my system is not botched somehow)
[06:23] <dw1> perhaps.... >:)
[06:24] <hyde> hopefully it is just patch, and not libc or something
[06:25] <hyde> (doesn't happen on Fedora19, for example, don't have non-beta Ubuntu handy to test)
[06:25] <dw1> seems p needs an integer
[06:26] <dw1> but yeah, not very graceful
[06:26] <dw1> i have another system but not gonna boot it just for that. :p
[06:27] <vkkhurava> I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest
[06:27] <hyde> vkkhurava: suggestion: just install the kernel package?
[06:28] <hyde> apt-get install linux-image
[06:28] <vkkhurava> Ok so that will replace my mainline kernel ?
[06:29] <hyde> it will add a new kernel. if you've messed with grub, you may need to do some manual configuration under /etc/default/grub and/or /etc/grub.d
[06:30] <hyde> it shouldn't replace your current kernel. probalbly
[06:30] <hyde> (and you shouldn't just "replace" it, install new one and verify it works and only then remove old kernels, their modules etc
[06:31] <hyde> vkkhurava: btw, this might not be the best channel, since your question has nothing to do with Ubuntu 14.04 specifically, I think?
[06:31] <vkkhurava> then wht is the use of installing new or adding new kernel... if its also installing generic one
[06:32] <hyde> vkkhurava: some other #ubuntu... channle might be better
[06:32] <vkkhurava> hyde: earlier I was on another ubuntu channel and they suggeted for this one
[06:32] <vkkhurava> yes #ubuntu referred me to here
[06:33] <vkkhurava> coz I am running on 14.04
[06:33] <vkkhurava> hyde : so again i m ground zero installing or adding new kernel will also be mainline, right ?
[06:34] <hyde> ah... well, the procedure should be same, I don't think 14.04 changes anything for your issue. (note, not ubuntu dev, not even regular on this channel, so anything I say might be horribly misguided)
[06:35] <vkkhurava> is there any link from where I can download original ubuntu kernel and that will replace my generic or mainline using dpkg
[06:36] <vkkhurava> rather then going for a fresh 14.04 OS installation
[06:36] <dw1> vkkhurava: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kernel/ maybe
[06:37] <hyde> vkkhurava: apt-cache search linux-image
[06:38] <dw1> vkkhurava: the 'original' or 'standard' is 3.13.0-23-generic
[06:39] <vkkhurava> apt-cache search linux-image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> alsa-base - ALSA driver configuration files
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-23-lowlatency - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-virtual - Transitional package.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-quantal - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-raring - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-saucy - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-trusty - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <hyde> vkkhurava: please don't do that
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-lowlatency - lowlatency Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-server - Transitional package.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-virtual - This package will always depend on the latest minimal generic kernel image.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-virtual - Minimal Generic Linux kernel and headers
[06:39] <hyde> if you have more than like 2-3 lines, use pastebin
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-pae - Transitional package
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-lowlatency-pae - Transitional package
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.4.0-3-goldfish - Linux kernel image for version 3.4.0 on Android touch emulation
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-goldfish - Linux kernel image for the goldfish kernel.
[06:39] <hyde> and paste the link to pastebin
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.12.0-031200-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.12.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> sorry but i dint know where is this pastbin
[06:40] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <vkkhurava> i am using standalone version of xchat
[06:40] <hyde> there are a bunch of services. "original" may have been pastebin.com or .org, hence the name (speculating, not sure of history)
[06:40] <vkkhurava> dwl : OK so ubuntu 14.04 comes with generic only as of now, is it ?
[06:40] <hyde> it's a web service, use it with your browser
[06:41] <hyde> (some irce clients have support, and suggest using pastebin when you try to paste too large snippet, and do it all automatically for you, but that's just convenience)
[06:41] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: maybe you should actually address the problem, and not your proposed solution to the problem.
[06:43] <dw1> vkkhurava: dont know, but thats what i got on standard system
[06:44] <vkkhurava> hmmm OK then... I hv no issue but earlier when I go to ubuntu for support they said u r using mainline or generic kernel which is out of suppirt
[06:44] <vkkhurava> *support
[06:44] <bazhang> using the 14.04 kernel on 13.10?
[06:45] <vkkhurava> 13.10
[06:45] <dw1> he used custom kernel in 13.10.. wouldnt it be updated automatically on upgrade?
[06:45] <ikonia> you are not meant to mix kernel versions betwen distros
[06:45] <bazhang> once he leaves package management
[06:46] <dw1> vkkhurava: type uname-a what kernel you got
[06:46] <odinsbane> dw1: the default kernel still gets upgraded, but grub will select the highest installed version by default.
[06:46] <dw1> vkkhurava: uname -a in terminal
[06:46] <vkkhurava> Linux VKKHPG6 3.13.0-20-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 28 09:56:33 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:47] <dw1> i guess it will update to 3.13.0-23-generic when you run software updater
[06:47] <dw1> that looks normal, not custom
[06:47] <ikonia> shouldn't update
[06:47] <dw1> oh, thats what i got from auto-updates
[06:47] <ikonia> so it won't have anywhere to update from
[06:47] <ikonia> that kernel did not come from the right repo
[06:48] <dw1> k, nevermind
[06:48] <vkkhurava> hmmm OK but on 13.10 I replaced standard kernel with generic one.. using below link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393445/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-on-13-10
[06:48] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: they are all generic.
[06:49] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: the number is what is important. eg 3.10 vs 3.13 which you have installed.
[06:50] <vkkhurava> Odinsbane : then what you are suggesting me to do.. should i live with it or do i need to replace them with standard one.... this is my only question
[06:50] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: if you don't have any problems, then leave it.
[06:51] <vkkhurava> Odinsbane : as of now I dont hv but I dont want to hear that u r using generic and we are not supporting it
[06:51] <vkkhurava> thats it :-)
[06:51] <ikonia> vkkhurava: you've used a kernal that is not meant for your distro - no-one will support that
[06:51] <ikonia> vkkhurava: however if you need it to fix a bug and it's working - then you should be fine
[06:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: grub should give you the option to boot to any of the installed kernels on your system.
[06:51]  * hyde is a bit confused what people mean when they say "mainline", "standard", "generic", "custom" etc when talking about kernels above, but if it's clear to everybody else then no problem
[06:52] <dw1> all my kernel packages are generic and not custom at all
[06:52] <ikonia> hyde: it's just wording, some people describe it differnt
[06:52] <vkkhurava> ikonia : but i want standard one not generic
[06:52] <ikonia> vkkhurava: the standard one is -generic
[06:53] <vkkhurava> then why will no one will support that
[06:53] <odinsbane> hyde: mainline compiles kernels for ubuntu.
[06:53] <ikonia> vkkhurava: because that kernel is not meant for your distro
[06:54] <vkkhurava> ikonia : can u pls suggest a way to get same version which meant for my distro
[06:54] <ikonia> vkkhurava: you can't
[06:54] <ikonia> (not from supported methods)
[06:55] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: what sort of support do you want?
[06:55] <vkkhurava> ikonia : that mean I hv to re-format my machine
[06:55] <ikonia> no, who said that ??
[06:55] <vkkhurava> as u r saying I cant get same version
[06:55] <ikonia> I'm saying you have installed a kernel from an unsupported method/repo
[06:56] <ikonia> you are still welcome to use it
[06:56] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: odds are you have the normal kernel installed on your system. You can boot with it anytime you like.
[06:56] <ikonia> or revert to the original kernel
[06:56] <hyde> odinsbane: "mainline compiles" == "mainline does compiling"? what? or did I misunderstand? If not, then what/who is "mainline" here?
[06:56] <vkkhurava> and how can i revert that
[06:56] <ikonia> hyde: people in the ubuntu project who maintain the unpatched mainline build of the kernel for benchmark/baseline testing
[06:56] <dw1> cant he just install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic/download
[06:57] <hyde> ikonia: ok, thanks, good to know
[06:57] <ikonia> dw1: he's not using trusty
[06:57] <dw1> ikonia: yeah he upgraded
[06:57] <dw1> vkkhurava: right
[06:57] <ikonia> no, he's still on 13.10
[06:57] <ikonia> just dumped the mainline kernel on it
[06:57] <ikonia> unless I've missunderstood
[06:57] <ikonia> he got sent to this channel wrongly it appears
[06:58] <vkkhurava> no I m on 14.04
[06:58] <dw1> he had custom 13.10 and upgraded
[06:58] <dw1> so he's fine
[06:58] <dw1> just needs to run software updater right
[06:58] <ikonia> oh. you've upgraded fully
[06:58] <ikonia> that's perfect then, remove the PPA for the mainline kernel, boot from the trusty default kernel and run the update process
[06:59] <odinsbane> ikonia: I don't think he added the ppa, from the link he just downloaded the .deb's and installed them.
[06:59] <ikonia> ok, then boot from trusty kernel, remove deb installed mainline kernel, run update process
[06:59] <vkkhurava> yes exactly
[07:00] <odinsbane> plus from the uname -a he has booted from the trusty kernel, but it is a little bit outdated.
[07:00] <dw1> on upgrade all my non-standard ppas were disabled automatically
[07:00] <ikonia> if he removes any reference to the mainline kernel, and update should be fine
[07:00] <dw1> maybe its the same for kernels
[07:00] <ikonia> dw1: it doesn't remove the packages
[07:00] <vkkhurava> which option I need to select from grub for booting in trusty kernel
[07:01] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: you are in the trusty kernel.
[07:01] <vkkhurava> OK
[07:01] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: the mainline ones use a slightly different numbering scheme.
[07:02] <vkkhurava> then should i remove those kernels which I installed for wifi issue using that link
[07:02] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: it will free up about 200megs, but it isn't nescessary.
[07:02] <vkkhurava> hmmm ok...
[07:02] <dw1> did 13.10 kernels have the -generic suffix?  if not, then that would explain why they said they dont support it in #ubuntu
[07:03] <dw1> but they will support it there in 6 days
[07:03] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: also, there are a couple kernel packages, if you remove the wrong one you might have some trouble getting back.
[07:04] <vkkhurava> OK then I am not going to mess up with the things until i face any problem... thx for support
[07:06] <hyde> btw, if someone wants to take a look at the patch crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7233796/
[07:06] <hyde> is that gl_.... from glib? since when has patch used glib?
[07:07] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: #ubuntu will be reluctant to help you because 14.04 is not released, not because of your kernel.
[07:07] <hyde> isn't it a program which predates glib by ages?
[07:08] <vkkhurava> OK
[07:08] <odinsbane> hyde: there is an error about the 'q' are your cmd line arguments correct.
[07:09] <hyde> odinsbane: point is, it *throws segfault*
[07:09] <hyde> for invalid command line argument
[07:10] <hyde> odinsbane: at least on fedora19 it does not, I bet also on sufficiently older ubuntus it does not
[07:10] <hyde> so I'm curious, why has it been broken?
[07:10] <dw1> -p<anything not numeric> = crash
[07:10] <hyde> s/been/become/
[07:10] <odinsbane> My only linux here is f20, and it is fine also.
[07:10] <rww> hyde: you have filed a bug?
[07:11] <hyde> nope, just noticed
[07:11] <rww> probably best to do that then :)
[07:11] <hyde> rww: can you give me the right link?
[07:12] <rww> i believe you run "ubuntu-bug patch"
[07:12] <rww> so that it can collect package version and such
[07:13] <hyde> that gives no way to actually tell what the problem is
[07:13] <rww> it'll open a web browser for you to type that
[07:20] <hyde> bug report done
[07:20] <hyde> ...and I hope some serious look is taken into whatever has been done to patch
[07:20] <hyde> I mean, also other code introduced when this bug was introduced
[07:21] <hyde> ...especially in this age of NSA paranoia
[07:21] <hyde> because, I could see how a crafted bug in patch could be used to introduce unintended changes
[07:22] <hyde> (and no, i don't actually *believe* anything like that is going on, but I don't like believeing, I like knowing)
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <dw1> hyde: pretty sure patch is rarely used by most ubuntu users so not a great way to exploit systems but i may be wrong
[07:33] <hyde> dw1: it's not a generic "everybody would be affected" risk, but it could maybe be used for targeted attacks. Quite often patch commands are copy-pasted from some howto's, for example, by people who don't really understand the command.
[07:34] <dw1> i only have a 12.10 system and it doesn't segfault, so it happened in some version after that http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=patch
[07:35] <hyde> it's quite hypothetical, I agree, even if it'd be possible to exploit
[07:35] <dw1> only have an alternate 12.10 system*
[07:38] <dw1> guess i should upgrade that badboy soon :)
[07:39] <hyde> I'm quite proud of a laptop at home, which originally god installed with 9.04, is now at 12.04, and is soon to be upgraded to 14.04
[07:39] <hyde> "soon" as in probably at 14.04.1
[07:40] <dw1> nice
[07:40] <hyde> it's also got dual boot Windows Vista, which is also working flawlessly ;)
[07:41] <hyde> (for a definition of "flawless" which allows Windows installation to be such)
[07:41] <dw1> any oxymoron.. :P
[07:41] <dw1> an*
[10:09] <hubuntu> is there such a thing as MOTUs anymore?
[10:14] <geser> yes, there are still some MOTUs there
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:41] <husnainlatif> mornin' BluesKaj
[10:41] <bekks> hi BluesKaj
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hi husnainlatif, bekks
[10:43] <BluesKaj> big upgrade this morning
[10:56] <Koma> one week to the big day uh?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Koma, yeah, next thursday
[12:31] <jjavaholic> how can I move Minimize/Maximize/Close buttons back to the right?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> jjavaholic, use a different theme
[12:34] <jjavaholic> using the gnome-tweak-tool to do so?
[12:34] <bekks> No need for the gnome-tweak-tool
[12:35] <BluesKaj> afaik, but if you're using unity then, I have no clue.
[12:37] <jjavaholic> I'm using unity
[12:38]  * BluesKaj forgets which chat he's in sometimes...old age is catching up to me :)
[16:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> Are things still on schedule for a final release on the 17th for trusty? Just curious...
[16:18] <bekks> Yes.
[16:24] <GiGaHuRtZ> bekks: thanks.
[17:02] <robotti^> how to enable enchanced desktop zoom in ubuntu 14.04? it seems does not work anymore.
[17:04] <robotti^> it does not work with two monitors
[17:04] <robotti^> but it works single monitor
[17:05] <holstein> i would probably make sure when i was using 2 monitors, i was using the same driver as before, and that the driver is 3d capable
[17:06] <robotti^> I am using nvidia proprietary driver
[17:06] <robotti^> it just does not work with mirroring
[17:06] <robotti^> but it will work with dual monitor setting and single monitor setting. but when mirroring it does not work
[17:06] <holstein> robotti^: sure, but if the "issue" is with the proprietary driver, that may be the place to start addressing it
[17:06] <robotti^> I have not tested with open driver
[17:12] <robotti^> holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/235768
[17:13] <holstein> doesnt seem like what you had described.. but, if its your issue, good find
[17:19] <robotti^> maybe it does not matter really
[17:19] <robotti^> because it affects only clone mode
[17:19] <robotti^> mirror/clone
[18:04] <rohan> hi: there is a pretty severe bug affecting intel GPUs on 14.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1282867
[18:04] <rohan> can someone look at it and tell if it needs any more info?
[18:12] <sandGorgon> i want to personally thank the person who fixed two-button scroll emulation in 14.04 - gawd my 6 year laptop works like a mac
[18:13] <rohan> sandGorgon: what is 2 button scroll emulation?
[18:22] <sandGorgon> rohan, I have an old dell latitude laptop - with a crappy touchpad. but now I can use two fingers to scroll through pages - just like on a mac. probably newer laptops have multitouch trackpads.. but mine doesnt. so it uses emulation to trick it.
[18:23] <rohan> i am pretty sure synaptics supports 2 finger scrolling even on the oldest laptops and touchpads
[18:23] <rohan> there is no emulation going on
[18:24] <sandGorgon> rohan, aha - but I dont have synaptics now, do I !!! some crappy alps... which is why I'm truly grateful for whoever fixed that code
[18:25] <rohan> ah no idea about alps, but i don't think any emulation can happen for number of fingers
[18:25] <rohan> anyway, glad it's working for you! sandGorgon
[18:26] <sandGorgon> rohan, fyi check out the EmulateTwoFingerMinW synclient option
[18:27] <rohan> ah, learnt something new today sandGorgon , thanks!
[18:51] <quem> i thought rc1 was due yesterday?
[18:51] <quem> or is yesterday's daily == rc1?
[19:15] <Pici> I don't see a testing milestone for an RC.
[19:24] <mardan> hi should I be doing something with:
[19:25] <mardan>  warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[19:33] <hydruid> I'm dying for 14.04 to be released
[19:33] <hydruid> lol
[19:33] <jjavaholic> I'm still not sure about the local menu
[19:34] <jjavaholic> I can see the benefit if you have a huge monitor
[19:34] <hydruid> jjavaholic: you can turn it off and on though right?
[19:34] <jjavaholic> what will happen to the empty space where the global menu was?
[19:34] <jjavaholic> just now yes
[19:35] <jjavaholic> i'm thinking long term though
[19:35] <jjavaholic> I have always liked having a taskbar
[19:35] <hydruid> jjavaholic: most likely whenyou turn it off it will look like it did before
[19:35] <hydruid> the taskbar is always there, whether it's on or not
[19:35] <jjavaholic> but it is now lots of empty space
[19:36] <jjavaholic> I might try and fill up all the space with useless indicators applets
[19:36] <hydruid> jjavaholic: it's always empty space, or has been with unity, until you "hover" over it
[19:37] <trism> hydruid: it's pretty much all empty now though if you move the menus into the app windows with the new feature in 14.04
[19:39] <jjavaholic> if you move the windows around alot the local menu seems to flicker on and off as it can't decide what you wanted
[19:40] <trism> jjavaholic: ha didn't notice that before
[19:41] <trism> jjavaholic: bug 1289907
[20:16] <TJ-> bekks: Good to see there's a resolution to your GRUB issue, and we were on the right track
[20:17] <johnjohn101> less than six days.  :)
[20:20] <jtaylor> I wonder if lvm snapshots still break grub
[20:21] <jtaylor> yes :(
[20:23] <bekks> TJ-: Yeah, thats really good to see :) Thank you again for your time spent with guiding me yesterday :)
[20:24] <bekks> No I just have to see when that fix is published actually :)
[20:24] <bekks> Do I have a chance which exact package version is included in a daily build?
[20:32] <jjavaholic> notifyOSD config bottom right questionable positioning of notices
[20:33] <jjavaholic> can't place noticies on the bottom right corner anymore
[20:36] <trism> jjavaholic: when were you able to? for as long as I can remember your options were top-right or center-right
[20:37] <jjavaholic> it still worked in 13.10
[20:37] <jjavaholic> I might have forgotten to reenable the ppa for it
[20:37] <jjavaholic> i'll try that later
[20:38] <TJ-> bekks: Yes, or you could manually create the device.map as a workaround from a script in the kickstart file
[20:38] <trism> jjavaholic: yeah you must have been using a modified version
[20:38] <bekks> Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable workaround. :)
[20:39] <bekks> Now I'm struggling with launchpad again - I set #1292628 to "This bug affects me" but I dont see that bug when clicking on "Affecting bugs" :(
[20:40] <nf7> How long does apt-get update take for you guys? I just freshly installed 14.04 and it's taking upwards of 5 minutes each time. Is that normal? Debian took about 30 seconds for me with all the default sources.
[20:40] <hydruid> nf7: it seems to take 1-2 minutes for me at most, sometimes slower/faster than others
[20:41] <hydruid> nf7: did you install from the daily build?
[20:41] <trism> bekks: it won't show bugs that are fix released unless you go to advanced search
[20:42] <bekks> trism: Ah, thank you.
[20:42] <Nukien> Anyone know of a source for a minimalCD for 14.04 ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD doesn't list it yet.
[20:43] <bekks> trism: Is there a way to safe my search preferences?
[20:45] <trism> bekks: not that I know of, would be nice though I am constantly having to show all open bugs and resort by number
[20:45] <bekks> :)
[20:55] <Oria> hi, I made a xinitrc file on ubuntu 14.04. It doesn't start...
[20:57] <Oria> how can i do that?
[20:58] <Oria> it's ~/.xinitrc I make a symbolic link .xsession but doesn't works
[21:06] <Oria> I tested a touch /tmp/test_xinitrc and file was created so, xinitrc works but doesn't run command inside
[21:08] <lordievader> Oria: What command are you trying to run from the xinitrc script?
[21:09] <Oria> xsetwacom --set "Wacom Intuos5 touch M Finger touch" touch off
[21:09] <Oria> xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[21:09] <Oria> these commands inside have already worked, why...
[21:10] <lordievader> Is the DISPLAY variable set? (Honestly I don't have experience with xinitrc scripts, but this might help ;))
[21:17] <Oria> lordievader: I never needed to set DISPLAY to xinitrc :/
[21:19] <lordievader> Oria: As I said, I have no experience with it. I'd say xorg should set the variable. But it would be annoying if that where the fix and you'd missed it ;)
[21:21] <Oria> lordievader: yes I see, thx
[21:37] <Oria> hmm if I run these commands with autostart?
[21:42] <Oria> but gnome-session-properties doesn't exist
[22:02] <Oria> pb solved, I make files desktop in ~/.config/autostart/