| TJ- | trinode: something like this to add the entry: "sudo DEVICE=/dev/sda PART_NUMBER=1 sh -c 'efibootmgr -c -d $DEVICE -p $PART_NUMBER -l /EFI/shellx64.efi -L "EDK2 EFI Shell" ' " | 00:03 |
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| trinode | TJ-: is that on the CD? | 00:04 |
| trinode | (the efi file) | 00:05 |
| TJ- | trinode: No, you'll need to download it | 00:05 |
| TJ- | trinode: " wget http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw " | 00:06 |
| TJ- | trinode: " wget -O shellx64.efi http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw " | 00:07 |
| trinode | wasn't ed2k a file sharing thing? | 00:07 |
| TJ- | I suspect you're thinking of eDonkey | 00:09 |
| trinode | that's the one | 00:09 |
| TJ- | EDK == EFI Development Kit | 00:10 |
| trinode | so drop that into /boot/efi/EFI? | 00:11 |
| trinode | or in /boot/efi? | 00:11 |
| TJ- | trinode: "/boot/efi/EFI/" if I recall correctly | 00:12 |
| TJ- | trinode: Assuming you've got the EFI system partition already mounted at /boot/efi/ | 00:13 |
| trinode | yep | 00:13 |
| trinode | TJ-: that won't start either | 00:17 |
| TJ- | Does the menu item appear? | 00:17 |
| trinode | it does | 00:17 |
| TJ- | trinode: Is Secure Boot disabled? | 00:17 |
| trinode | WTF | 00:17 |
| trinode | it works if i enable CSM | 00:17 |
| trinode | surely I shouldn't need legacy mode for that shell? | 00:18 |
| TJ- | Hmmm, maybe on that system enabling CSM is a subtle way of saying "disable Secure Boot" | 00:18 |
| trinode | nah, that's a seperate option | 00:18 |
| TJ- | Indeed not - if the Shell loads, it must be using EFI | 00:18 |
| trinode | it's sort of a hybrid mode | 00:19 |
| trinode | you have efi stuff plus bios stuff | 00:19 |
| TJ- | CSM could still be tied to Secure Boot ... there's a lot of buggy EFIs out there | 00:19 |
| trinode | you have legacy -> uefi + csm -> uefi only | 00:19 |
| trinode | if you install ubuntu in uefi + csm it installs in BIOS mode | 00:20 |
| trinode | (grub-pc and all) | 00:20 |
| trinode | TJ-: one thing the path for the efi file needed to use \\ not / | 00:21 |
| TJ- | trinode: efibootmgr is supposed to translate the / to \ | 00:23 |
| TJ- | But the shell can do that too, at least I seem to recall it handling the translation last time I was using it | 00:24 |
| trinode | TJ-: I made 2 entries just in case | 00:24 |
| trinode | one doesn't work | 00:24 |
| TJ- | Anyhow, once in the shell you can use the "help" command to see all the available commands, and "help <command> " | 00:25 |
| TJ- | I used the shell to then manually launch grub's EFI bootloader | 00:26 |
| TJ- | But now you've figured out that CSM toggle issue I suppose grub will also start | 00:26 |
| trinode | TJ-: grub does start (I knew CSM made grub work already, but thought it was something daft like grub was setting graphics modes with vesa commands or something) | 00:27 |
| trinode | TJ-: it will break as soon as I run update-grub | 00:27 |
| trinode | (I've done this many times today | 00:28 |
| trinode | ) | 00:28 |
| TJ- | Hmmm! something weird about the installation then! | 00:28 |
| trinode | is there a way to see what update-grub is about to do? | 00:29 |
| TJ- | Have you verified the obvious issues like, the disk uses GPT, the 1st partition is FAT32 256MB-512MB in size, type EF00 ? | 00:29 |
| TJ- | trinode: It re-writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg based on the rules scripts in /etc/grub.d/ | 00:30 |
| trinode | oh damn | 00:30 |
| trinode | I've saved the contents of /boot/efi to compare | 00:31 |
| trinode | that's just not good enough :) | 00:31 |
| trinode | so, how confident are you that if I copy /boot/grub/grub.cfg and run update-grub and then restore the file I'll still have a bootable system? | 00:33 |
| TJ- | Without seeing the system configuration, and the current grub.cfg, 0% | 00:33 |
| trinode | hehe | 00:34 |
| trinode | one more reinstall won't hurt | 00:34 |
| trinode | hmm, it didn't touch that file | 00:36 |
| trinode | (md5 not changed) | 00:36 |
| TJ- | How about the time/date stamp? | 00:36 |
| TJ- | contents could well be identical, it doesn't insert a timestamp inside the file | 00:36 |
| trinode | yeah timestamp changed | 00:37 |
| trinode | so what else does it do? | 00:37 |
| TJ- | Identify the root cause of the problem. Does the system reach the grub boot menu when you hold Shift down? If not, that infers that the grubx64.efi has a problem | 00:42 |
| trinode | ubuntu points to shimx64.efi not grub is that correct? | 00:44 |
| TJ- | Yes, that's the signed (Secure Boot) bootloader that then loads grubx64.efi | 00:45 |
| trinode | TJ-: since doing that _nothing_ boots | 00:46 |
| trinode | not even the shell | 00:46 |
| TJ- | Something wrong with that systems firmware config by the sound of it? what make/model is it? | 00:47 |
| trinode | Lenovo L540 | 00:47 |
| TJ- | Is the drive an SSD? | 00:49 |
| dw1 | hmm gnome-screensaver still locking up the screen at interval even with activity.. weird | 00:49 |
| trinode | TJ-: yes | 00:49 |
| trinode | you thinking of the brick bug? | 00:50 |
| dw1 | before it was because it was loading twice on unplug/replug due to an outdated app, jupiter, which i removed, now just one process | 00:50 |
| dw1 | guess ill just restart it :/ | 00:50 |
| TJ- | trinode: Yes, have you tried "...go into BIOS setup and disable Intel Rapid Start Technology. This setting is in the Config -> Power menu of BIOS Setup." | 00:52 |
| trism | dw1: do you mean like bug 1291365 ? | 00:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1291365 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome screensaver locks again shortly after unlocking" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291365 | 00:52 |
| dw1 | trism: no, just one lock screen, but its not detecting activity so goes off every 10 mins | 00:53 |
| trinode | TJ-: it's booting again | 00:56 |
| trinode | just need to change the boot order, that shell's no good for checking my email | 00:56 |
| TJ- | trinode: You mean the grub/Ubuntu install is working now? | 00:57 |
| trinode | yep and the shell | 00:58 |
| trism | dw1: I'm seeing several bugs like that on gnome-screensaver but they all seem to happen as: unlock the screen, use the computer for a couple minutes, it locks itself again | 00:58 |
| trinode | but the shell is default, so just changing that now | 00:58 |
| dw1 | trism: mines 10 mins on the regular | 00:59 |
| trinode | WTF | 01:01 |
| trinode | grr | 01:01 |
| trinode | dead again | 01:01 |
| trinode | ok, turning ON rapid start got it to boot again | 01:03 |
| trinode | this is insane | 01:03 |
| trinode | I get one boot everytime I toggle that setting | 01:05 |
| TJ- | trinode: Any firmware updates available for that system? | 01:07 |
| trinode | I applied the update when I got it | 01:07 |
| trinode | (3 days ago) | 01:07 |
| TJ- | trinode: Looks like a system issue rather than a bootloader or OS | 01:08 |
| dw1 | trism: yeah actually what you quotes sounds right, if my interval were to be set lower | 01:09 |
| dw1 | trism: oh a few seconds? no... | 01:10 |
| dw1 | trism: maybe itll work itself out. i think restarting the service fixes it | 01:11 |
| dw1 | trism: which does make it seem like it could be related to that bug | 01:11 |
| dw1 | trism: maybe it starts when i go away for a bit and come back, for example | 01:12 |
| trism | dw1: yeah I'm not really sure, trying to reproduce it but not having much luck, generally I have blanking disabled (and locking too) and then just manually lock it when I walk away and haven't seen a problem | 01:14 |
| dw1 | where can i adjust the screensaver/blanking settings in 14.04? feel dumb for not finding it | 01:17 |
| trism | dw1: System Settings/Brightness and Lock | 01:18 |
| dw1 | only 7 icons in System Settings now, I guess thats normal | 01:18 |
| dw1 | oh no i dont have that | 01:18 |
| dw1 | hmm | 01:18 |
| trism | strange, are you running gnome-control-center or unity-control-center? | 01:19 |
| trism | dw1: they were split apart in 14.04 | 01:19 |
| dw1 | i upgraded from 13.10 running gnome | 01:19 |
| dw1 | /usr/bin/gnome-control-center.real is running | 01:20 |
| trism | dw1: so you're using gnome-shell? or flashback? | 01:21 |
| dw1 | gnome-session-fallback on 13.10, seems to still be there | 01:22 |
| dw1 | no gnome-shell | 01:23 |
| trism | dw1: it's there but it is only transitional for flashback now, which is basically just renamed fallback | 01:23 |
| trism | dw1: hmm I am seeing the brightness and lock in gnome-control-center on flashback too | 01:24 |
| dw1 | well i logged in after upgrade without a hiccup, so im happy, but yeah apparently missing some icons | 01:24 |
| trism | dw1: do you have /usr/share/applications/gnome-screen-panel.desktop ? | 01:25 |
| dw1 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/9bqvck1kersftn7/shot.png | 01:26 |
| dw1 | yep | 01:26 |
| trism | dw1: if you run: gnome-control-center screen; does it load up or show the main screen and print an error to the terminal? | 01:27 |
| dw1 | 1 min, some updates running | 01:27 |
| dw1 | seems nothing happens...... | 01:28 |
| dw1 | i should reboot for updates i guess | 01:28 |
| dw1 | it has been a little while since last reboot | 01:28 |
| basketball | what is the most accurate ocr | 01:31 |
| dw1 | trism: ok yeah, gnome-control-center screen loads the System Settings menu, but with a warning that it couldnt find the panel 'screen' | 01:34 |
| trinode | TJ-: thanks for all your help | 01:35 |
| trinode | I've made a video showing it only boots after you change a setting in the bios (UEFI) screen and fails to boo if not | 01:36 |
| TJ- | trinode: you're welcome | 01:36 |
| trism | dw1: hey I notice that if I remove unity-control-center mine gnome-control-center looks almost like yours | 01:36 |
| trinode | posting it on the lenovo forums when it's uploaded | 01:36 |
| trism | dw1: do you have unity-control-center installed? it would seem like you shouldn't need it if not using unity but... | 01:36 |
| dw1 | trism: i do have that package | 01:36 |
| dw1 | trism: there were a few errors on upgrade i suppose | 01:39 |
| dw1 | trism: i didnt write em all down tho :) | 01:39 |
| dw1 | trism: they scrolled by and out of the way rather fast | 01:40 |
| trism | dw1: what is: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP; | 01:43 |
| dw1 | trism: it says Unity | 01:43 |
| trism | dw1: mine too which is weird but, if you try: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center; do you see more icons? | 01:45 |
| dw1 | trism: yep a lot more :) | 01:46 |
| dw1 | trism: think you nailed it | 01:47 |
| dw1 | trism: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5v7d7johtpdgze1/shot2.png | 01:47 |
| trism | dw1: ahh this is why flashback as Unity as the session: bug 1224217 | 01:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1224217 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Switch Flashback sessions to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224217 | 01:50 |
| dw1 | trism: why do your icons show even with Unity as the desktop? :-/ | 01:50 |
| dw1 | trism: i had to ask. :P | 01:51 |
| trism | dw1: yeah, are you sure unity-control-panel is installed? I only get what you're seeing when I remove it but keep the Unity session var | 01:51 |
| dw1 | trism: oh no im not sure. i have unity-control-center, not panel | 01:52 |
| dw1 | trism: E: Unable to locate package unity-control-panel | 01:52 |
| trism | dw1: sorry that was my mistake I meant unity-control-center | 01:53 |
| dw1 | trism: yep.. rc unity-control-center 14.04.3+14.04.20140328-0ubuntu1 | 01:54 |
| trism | dw1: and strange, then I'm really not sure why it isn't showing up by default | 01:54 |
| trism | dw1: oh rc means uninstalled | 01:54 |
| dw1 | trism: installing :) | 01:54 |
| trism | dw1: removed but not purged | 01:54 |
| dw1 | trism: odd, i didnt remove it. good to know that | 01:54 |
| dw1 | trism: and resetting the var back to Unity the icons are there. good | 01:56 |
| dw1 | trism: thanks | 01:56 |
| dw1 | trism: now i might lower my screen timings to try to get a bead on the screensaver issue, if it still exists | 01:57 |
| basketball | anyone here use koding.com for a vm | 02:16 |
| holstein | basketball: ask in a proper support channel for that product | 02:18 |
| basketball | yea i know my bad i reasked in #vbox | 02:18 |
| vkkhurava | I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to general due to wi-fi issue | 05:40 |
| vkkhurava | *generic | 05:40 |
| odinsbane | baloo seems broken, and I would be really impressed if it is ready to go when 14.04 is released. | 05:50 |
| vkkhurava | I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to generic due to wi-fi issue | 05:50 |
| vkkhurava | pls help | 05:50 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: did you try the mainline kernels? | 05:51 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: you can d/load the one you need and install it via dpkg. | 05:51 |
| vkkhurava | i dont know what is mainline kernels | 05:51 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: Or, what is the problem with your wifi? Maybe somebody has fixed that? | 05:51 |
| odinsbane | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 05:52 |
| odinsbane | ^ that is mainline. Youll need to d/load 3 or 4 files for your architecture. | 05:52 |
| vkkhurava | earlier on 13.04 & 13.10 there was issue with wifi ... but later resolved replacing kernel with Generic | 05:52 |
| odinsbane | I don't know what that means 'replacing kernel with Generic', generic is the default kernel that comes with ubuntu. | 05:53 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: maybe you installed backports? | 05:54 |
| vkkhurava | sorry but as per my understanding ubuntu provide kernel as 3.X.X.X but i have 3.13.0-20-generic | 05:54 |
| vkkhurava | I am new with linux so I dont know abut backports | 05:55 |
| odinsbane | Do you know which kernel was working for you? | 05:56 |
| vkkhurava | yes its 3.13.0-20-generic | 05:56 |
| odinsbane | and which one do you have now? | 05:56 |
| vkkhurava | the same one | 05:57 |
| vkkhurava | Hi, I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest or help | 06:20 |
| hyde | could someone test this command: | 06:20 |
| hyde | echo | patch -pq | 06:20 |
| hyde | ...because it segfaults for me | 06:21 |
| hyde | actually, just: patch -pq | 06:21 |
| hyde | is enough, it will segfault before starting to read from stdin | 06:21 |
| hyde | ...and patch command throwing segfault for invalid command line parameters... WTF? | 06:22 |
| dw1 | same | 06:22 |
| hyde | so not just me, good | 06:23 |
| hyde | (means, my system is not botched somehow) | 06:23 |
| dw1 | perhaps.... >:) | 06:23 |
| hyde | hopefully it is just patch, and not libc or something | 06:24 |
| hyde | (doesn't happen on Fedora19, for example, don't have non-beta Ubuntu handy to test) | 06:25 |
| dw1 | seems p needs an integer | 06:25 |
| dw1 | but yeah, not very graceful | 06:26 |
| dw1 | i have another system but not gonna boot it just for that. :p | 06:26 |
| vkkhurava | I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest | 06:27 |
| hyde | vkkhurava: suggestion: just install the kernel package? | 06:27 |
| hyde | apt-get install linux-image | 06:28 |
| vkkhurava | Ok so that will replace my mainline kernel ? | 06:28 |
| hyde | it will add a new kernel. if you've messed with grub, you may need to do some manual configuration under /etc/default/grub and/or /etc/grub.d | 06:29 |
| hyde | it shouldn't replace your current kernel. probalbly | 06:30 |
| hyde | (and you shouldn't just "replace" it, install new one and verify it works and only then remove old kernels, their modules etc | 06:30 |
| hyde | vkkhurava: btw, this might not be the best channel, since your question has nothing to do with Ubuntu 14.04 specifically, I think? | 06:31 |
| vkkhurava | then wht is the use of installing new or adding new kernel... if its also installing generic one | 06:31 |
| hyde | vkkhurava: some other #ubuntu... channle might be better | 06:32 |
| vkkhurava | hyde: earlier I was on another ubuntu channel and they suggeted for this one | 06:32 |
| vkkhurava | yes #ubuntu referred me to here | 06:32 |
| vkkhurava | coz I am running on 14.04 | 06:33 |
| vkkhurava | hyde : so again i m ground zero installing or adding new kernel will also be mainline, right ? | 06:33 |
| hyde | ah... well, the procedure should be same, I don't think 14.04 changes anything for your issue. (note, not ubuntu dev, not even regular on this channel, so anything I say might be horribly misguided) | 06:34 |
| vkkhurava | is there any link from where I can download original ubuntu kernel and that will replace my generic or mainline using dpkg | 06:35 |
| vkkhurava | rather then going for a fresh 14.04 OS installation | 06:36 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kernel/ maybe | 06:36 |
| hyde | vkkhurava: apt-cache search linux-image | 06:37 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: the 'original' or 'standard' is 3.13.0-23-generic | 06:38 |
| vkkhurava | apt-cache search linux-image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | alsa-base - ALSA driver configuration files | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-3.13.0-23-lowlatency - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-extra-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-extra-virtual - Transitional package. | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic - Generic Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic-lts-quantal - Generic Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic-lts-raring - Generic Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic-lts-saucy - Generic Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic-lts-trusty - Generic Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| hyde | vkkhurava: please don't do that | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-lowlatency - lowlatency Linux kernel image | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-server - Transitional package. | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-virtual - This package will always depend on the latest minimal generic kernel image. | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-virtual - Minimal Generic Linux kernel and headers | 06:39 |
| hyde | if you have more than like 2-3 lines, use pastebin | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-generic-pae - Transitional package | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-lowlatency-pae - Transitional package | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-3.4.0-3-goldfish - Linux kernel image for version 3.4.0 on Android touch emulation | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-goldfish - Linux kernel image for the goldfish kernel. | 06:39 |
| hyde | and paste the link to pastebin | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-extra-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-3.12.0-031200-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.12.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | linux-image-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP | 06:39 |
| vkkhurava | sorry but i dint know where is this pastbin | 06:39 |
| bazhang | paste.ubuntu.com | 06:40 |
| vkkhurava | i am using standalone version of xchat | 06:40 |
| hyde | there are a bunch of services. "original" may have been pastebin.com or .org, hence the name (speculating, not sure of history) | 06:40 |
| vkkhurava | dwl : OK so ubuntu 14.04 comes with generic only as of now, is it ? | 06:40 |
| hyde | it's a web service, use it with your browser | 06:40 |
| hyde | (some irce clients have support, and suggest using pastebin when you try to paste too large snippet, and do it all automatically for you, but that's just convenience) | 06:41 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: maybe you should actually address the problem, and not your proposed solution to the problem. | 06:41 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: dont know, but thats what i got on standard system | 06:43 |
| vkkhurava | hmmm OK then... I hv no issue but earlier when I go to ubuntu for support they said u r using mainline or generic kernel which is out of suppirt | 06:44 |
| vkkhurava | *support | 06:44 |
| bazhang | using the 14.04 kernel on 13.10? | 06:44 |
| vkkhurava | 13.10 | 06:45 |
| dw1 | he used custom kernel in 13.10.. wouldnt it be updated automatically on upgrade? | 06:45 |
| ikonia | you are not meant to mix kernel versions betwen distros | 06:45 |
| bazhang | once he leaves package management | 06:45 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: type uname-a what kernel you got | 06:46 |
| odinsbane | dw1: the default kernel still gets upgraded, but grub will select the highest installed version by default. | 06:46 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: uname -a in terminal | 06:46 |
| vkkhurava | Linux VKKHPG6 3.13.0-20-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 28 09:56:33 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 06:46 |
| dw1 | i guess it will update to 3.13.0-23-generic when you run software updater | 06:47 |
| dw1 | that looks normal, not custom | 06:47 |
| ikonia | shouldn't update | 06:47 |
| dw1 | oh, thats what i got from auto-updates | 06:47 |
| ikonia | so it won't have anywhere to update from | 06:47 |
| ikonia | that kernel did not come from the right repo | 06:47 |
| dw1 | k, nevermind | 06:48 |
| vkkhurava | hmmm OK but on 13.10 I replaced standard kernel with generic one.. using below link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393445/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-on-13-10 | 06:48 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: they are all generic. | 06:48 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: the number is what is important. eg 3.10 vs 3.13 which you have installed. | 06:49 |
| vkkhurava | Odinsbane : then what you are suggesting me to do.. should i live with it or do i need to replace them with standard one.... this is my only question | 06:50 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: if you don't have any problems, then leave it. | 06:50 |
| vkkhurava | Odinsbane : as of now I dont hv but I dont want to hear that u r using generic and we are not supporting it | 06:51 |
| vkkhurava | thats it :-) | 06:51 |
| ikonia | vkkhurava: you've used a kernal that is not meant for your distro - no-one will support that | 06:51 |
| ikonia | vkkhurava: however if you need it to fix a bug and it's working - then you should be fine | 06:51 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: grub should give you the option to boot to any of the installed kernels on your system. | 06:51 |
| * hyde is a bit confused what people mean when they say "mainline", "standard", "generic", "custom" etc when talking about kernels above, but if it's clear to everybody else then no problem | 06:51 | |
| dw1 | all my kernel packages are generic and not custom at all | 06:52 |
| ikonia | hyde: it's just wording, some people describe it differnt | 06:52 |
| vkkhurava | ikonia : but i want standard one not generic | 06:52 |
| ikonia | vkkhurava: the standard one is -generic | 06:52 |
| vkkhurava | then why will no one will support that | 06:53 |
| odinsbane | hyde: mainline compiles kernels for ubuntu. | 06:53 |
| ikonia | vkkhurava: because that kernel is not meant for your distro | 06:53 |
| vkkhurava | ikonia : can u pls suggest a way to get same version which meant for my distro | 06:54 |
| ikonia | vkkhurava: you can't | 06:54 |
| ikonia | (not from supported methods) | 06:54 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: what sort of support do you want? | 06:55 |
| vkkhurava | ikonia : that mean I hv to re-format my machine | 06:55 |
| ikonia | no, who said that ?? | 06:55 |
| vkkhurava | as u r saying I cant get same version | 06:55 |
| ikonia | I'm saying you have installed a kernel from an unsupported method/repo | 06:55 |
| ikonia | you are still welcome to use it | 06:56 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: odds are you have the normal kernel installed on your system. You can boot with it anytime you like. | 06:56 |
| ikonia | or revert to the original kernel | 06:56 |
| hyde | odinsbane: "mainline compiles" == "mainline does compiling"? what? or did I misunderstand? If not, then what/who is "mainline" here? | 06:56 |
| vkkhurava | and how can i revert that | 06:56 |
| ikonia | hyde: people in the ubuntu project who maintain the unpatched mainline build of the kernel for benchmark/baseline testing | 06:56 |
| dw1 | cant he just install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic/download | 06:56 |
| hyde | ikonia: ok, thanks, good to know | 06:57 |
| ikonia | dw1: he's not using trusty | 06:57 |
| dw1 | ikonia: yeah he upgraded | 06:57 |
| dw1 | vkkhurava: right | 06:57 |
| ikonia | no, he's still on 13.10 | 06:57 |
| ikonia | just dumped the mainline kernel on it | 06:57 |
| ikonia | unless I've missunderstood | 06:57 |
| ikonia | he got sent to this channel wrongly it appears | 06:57 |
| vkkhurava | no I m on 14.04 | 06:58 |
| dw1 | he had custom 13.10 and upgraded | 06:58 |
| dw1 | so he's fine | 06:58 |
| dw1 | just needs to run software updater right | 06:58 |
| ikonia | oh. you've upgraded fully | 06:58 |
| ikonia | that's perfect then, remove the PPA for the mainline kernel, boot from the trusty default kernel and run the update process | 06:58 |
| odinsbane | ikonia: I don't think he added the ppa, from the link he just downloaded the .deb's and installed them. | 06:59 |
| ikonia | ok, then boot from trusty kernel, remove deb installed mainline kernel, run update process | 06:59 |
| vkkhurava | yes exactly | 06:59 |
| odinsbane | plus from the uname -a he has booted from the trusty kernel, but it is a little bit outdated. | 07:00 |
| dw1 | on upgrade all my non-standard ppas were disabled automatically | 07:00 |
| ikonia | if he removes any reference to the mainline kernel, and update should be fine | 07:00 |
| dw1 | maybe its the same for kernels | 07:00 |
| ikonia | dw1: it doesn't remove the packages | 07:00 |
| vkkhurava | which option I need to select from grub for booting in trusty kernel | 07:00 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: you are in the trusty kernel. | 07:01 |
| vkkhurava | OK | 07:01 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: the mainline ones use a slightly different numbering scheme. | 07:01 |
| vkkhurava | then should i remove those kernels which I installed for wifi issue using that link | 07:02 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: it will free up about 200megs, but it isn't nescessary. | 07:02 |
| vkkhurava | hmmm ok... | 07:02 |
| dw1 | did 13.10 kernels have the -generic suffix? if not, then that would explain why they said they dont support it in #ubuntu | 07:02 |
| dw1 | but they will support it there in 6 days | 07:03 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: also, there are a couple kernel packages, if you remove the wrong one you might have some trouble getting back. | 07:03 |
| vkkhurava | OK then I am not going to mess up with the things until i face any problem... thx for support | 07:04 |
| hyde | btw, if someone wants to take a look at the patch crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7233796/ | 07:06 |
| hyde | is that gl_.... from glib? since when has patch used glib? | 07:06 |
| odinsbane | vkkhurava: #ubuntu will be reluctant to help you because 14.04 is not released, not because of your kernel. | 07:07 |
| hyde | isn't it a program which predates glib by ages? | 07:07 |
| vkkhurava | OK | 07:08 |
| odinsbane | hyde: there is an error about the 'q' are your cmd line arguments correct. | 07:08 |
| hyde | odinsbane: point is, it *throws segfault* | 07:09 |
| hyde | for invalid command line argument | 07:09 |
| hyde | odinsbane: at least on fedora19 it does not, I bet also on sufficiently older ubuntus it does not | 07:10 |
| hyde | so I'm curious, why has it been broken? | 07:10 |
| dw1 | -p<anything not numeric> = crash | 07:10 |
| hyde | s/been/become/ | 07:10 |
| odinsbane | My only linux here is f20, and it is fine also. | 07:10 |
| rww | hyde: you have filed a bug? | 07:10 |
| hyde | nope, just noticed | 07:11 |
| rww | probably best to do that then :) | 07:11 |
| hyde | rww: can you give me the right link? | 07:11 |
| rww | i believe you run "ubuntu-bug patch" | 07:12 |
| rww | so that it can collect package version and such | 07:12 |
| hyde | that gives no way to actually tell what the problem is | 07:13 |
| rww | it'll open a web browser for you to type that | 07:13 |
| hyde | bug report done | 07:20 |
| hyde | ...and I hope some serious look is taken into whatever has been done to patch | 07:20 |
| hyde | I mean, also other code introduced when this bug was introduced | 07:20 |
| hyde | ...especially in this age of NSA paranoia | 07:21 |
| hyde | because, I could see how a crafted bug in patch could be used to introduce unintended changes | 07:21 |
| hyde | (and no, i don't actually *believe* anything like that is going on, but I don't like believeing, I like knowing) | 07:22 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:24 |
| dw1 | hyde: pretty sure patch is rarely used by most ubuntu users so not a great way to exploit systems but i may be wrong | 07:28 |
| hyde | dw1: it's not a generic "everybody would be affected" risk, but it could maybe be used for targeted attacks. Quite often patch commands are copy-pasted from some howto's, for example, by people who don't really understand the command. | 07:33 |
| dw1 | i only have a 12.10 system and it doesn't segfault, so it happened in some version after that http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=patch | 07:34 |
| hyde | it's quite hypothetical, I agree, even if it'd be possible to exploit | 07:35 |
| dw1 | only have an alternate 12.10 system* | 07:35 |
| dw1 | guess i should upgrade that badboy soon :) | 07:38 |
| hyde | I'm quite proud of a laptop at home, which originally god installed with 9.04, is now at 12.04, and is soon to be upgraded to 14.04 | 07:39 |
| hyde | "soon" as in probably at 14.04.1 | 07:39 |
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| dw1 | nice | 07:40 |
| hyde | it's also got dual boot Windows Vista, which is also working flawlessly ;) | 07:40 |
| hyde | (for a definition of "flawless" which allows Windows installation to be such) | 07:41 |
| dw1 | any oxymoron.. :P | 07:41 |
| dw1 | an* | 07:41 |
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| hubuntu | is there such a thing as MOTUs anymore? | 10:09 |
| geser | yes, there are still some MOTUs there | 10:14 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:41 |
| husnainlatif | mornin' BluesKaj | 10:41 |
| bekks | hi BluesKaj | 10:41 |
| BluesKaj | Hi husnainlatif, bekks | 10:42 |
| BluesKaj | big upgrade this morning | 10:43 |
| Koma | one week to the big day uh? | 10:56 |
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| BluesKaj | Koma, yeah, next thursday | 12:15 |
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| jjavaholic | how can I move Minimize/Maximize/Close buttons back to the right? | 12:31 |
| BluesKaj | jjavaholic, use a different theme | 12:33 |
| jjavaholic | using the gnome-tweak-tool to do so? | 12:34 |
| bekks | No need for the gnome-tweak-tool | 12:34 |
| BluesKaj | afaik, but if you're using unity then, I have no clue. | 12:35 |
| jjavaholic | I'm using unity | 12:37 |
| * BluesKaj forgets which chat he's in sometimes...old age is catching up to me :) | 12:38 | |
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| GiGaHuRtZ | Are things still on schedule for a final release on the 17th for trusty? Just curious... | 16:18 |
| bekks | Yes. | 16:18 |
| GiGaHuRtZ | bekks: thanks. | 16:24 |
| robotti^ | how to enable enchanced desktop zoom in ubuntu 14.04? it seems does not work anymore. | 17:02 |
| robotti^ | it does not work with two monitors | 17:04 |
| robotti^ | but it works single monitor | 17:04 |
| holstein | i would probably make sure when i was using 2 monitors, i was using the same driver as before, and that the driver is 3d capable | 17:05 |
| robotti^ | I am using nvidia proprietary driver | 17:06 |
| robotti^ | it just does not work with mirroring | 17:06 |
| robotti^ | but it will work with dual monitor setting and single monitor setting. but when mirroring it does not work | 17:06 |
| holstein | robotti^: sure, but if the "issue" is with the proprietary driver, that may be the place to start addressing it | 17:06 |
| robotti^ | I have not tested with open driver | 17:06 |
| robotti^ | holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/235768 | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 162396 in compiz (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #235768 Mouse jumps to other screen when using "enhanced zoom desktop"" [Low,Triaged] | 17:12 |
| holstein | doesnt seem like what you had described.. but, if its your issue, good find | 17:13 |
| robotti^ | maybe it does not matter really | 17:19 |
| robotti^ | because it affects only clone mode | 17:19 |
| robotti^ | mirror/clone | 17:19 |
| rohan | hi: there is a pretty severe bug affecting intel GPUs on 14.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1282867 | 18:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1282867 in linux (Ubuntu) "Many bugs in rendering with lockups, likely caused by SNA" [High,Confirmed] | 18:04 |
| rohan | can someone look at it and tell if it needs any more info? | 18:04 |
| sandGorgon | i want to personally thank the person who fixed two-button scroll emulation in 14.04 - gawd my 6 year laptop works like a mac | 18:12 |
| rohan | sandGorgon: what is 2 button scroll emulation? | 18:13 |
| sandGorgon | rohan, I have an old dell latitude laptop - with a crappy touchpad. but now I can use two fingers to scroll through pages - just like on a mac. probably newer laptops have multitouch trackpads.. but mine doesnt. so it uses emulation to trick it. | 18:22 |
| rohan | i am pretty sure synaptics supports 2 finger scrolling even on the oldest laptops and touchpads | 18:23 |
| rohan | there is no emulation going on | 18:23 |
| sandGorgon | rohan, aha - but I dont have synaptics now, do I !!! some crappy alps... which is why I'm truly grateful for whoever fixed that code | 18:24 |
| rohan | ah no idea about alps, but i don't think any emulation can happen for number of fingers | 18:25 |
| rohan | anyway, glad it's working for you! sandGorgon | 18:25 |
| sandGorgon | rohan, fyi check out the EmulateTwoFingerMinW synclient option | 18:26 |
| rohan | ah, learnt something new today sandGorgon , thanks! | 18:27 |
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| quem | i thought rc1 was due yesterday? | 18:51 |
| quem | or is yesterday's daily == rc1? | 18:51 |
| Pici | I don't see a testing milestone for an RC. | 19:15 |
| mardan | hi should I be doing something with: | 19:24 |
| mardan | warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it. This software may cause boot or other problems in future. Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track. | 19:25 |
| hydruid | I'm dying for 14.04 to be released | 19:33 |
| hydruid | lol | 19:33 |
| jjavaholic | I'm still not sure about the local menu | 19:33 |
| jjavaholic | I can see the benefit if you have a huge monitor | 19:34 |
| hydruid | jjavaholic: you can turn it off and on though right? | 19:34 |
| jjavaholic | what will happen to the empty space where the global menu was? | 19:34 |
| jjavaholic | just now yes | 19:34 |
| jjavaholic | i'm thinking long term though | 19:35 |
| jjavaholic | I have always liked having a taskbar | 19:35 |
| hydruid | jjavaholic: most likely whenyou turn it off it will look like it did before | 19:35 |
| hydruid | the taskbar is always there, whether it's on or not | 19:35 |
| jjavaholic | but it is now lots of empty space | 19:35 |
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| jjavaholic | I might try and fill up all the space with useless indicators applets | 19:36 |
| hydruid | jjavaholic: it's always empty space, or has been with unity, until you "hover" over it | 19:36 |
| trism | hydruid: it's pretty much all empty now though if you move the menus into the app windows with the new feature in 14.04 | 19:37 |
| jjavaholic | if you move the windows around alot the local menu seems to flicker on and off as it can't decide what you wanted | 19:39 |
| trism | jjavaholic: ha didn't notice that before | 19:40 |
| trism | jjavaholic: bug 1289907 | 19:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1289907 in unity (Ubuntu) "LIM flickers when dragging a window and mouse cursor moves over title bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289907 | 19:41 |
| TJ- | bekks: Good to see there's a resolution to your GRUB issue, and we were on the right track | 20:16 |
| johnjohn101 | less than six days. :) | 20:17 |
| jtaylor | I wonder if lvm snapshots still break grub | 20:20 |
| jtaylor | yes :( | 20:21 |
| bekks | TJ-: Yeah, thats really good to see :) Thank you again for your time spent with guiding me yesterday :) | 20:23 |
| bekks | No I just have to see when that fix is published actually :) | 20:24 |
| bekks | Do I have a chance which exact package version is included in a daily build? | 20:24 |
| jjavaholic | notifyOSD config bottom right questionable positioning of notices | 20:32 |
| jjavaholic | can't place noticies on the bottom right corner anymore | 20:33 |
| trism | jjavaholic: when were you able to? for as long as I can remember your options were top-right or center-right | 20:36 |
| jjavaholic | it still worked in 13.10 | 20:37 |
| jjavaholic | I might have forgotten to reenable the ppa for it | 20:37 |
| jjavaholic | i'll try that later | 20:37 |
| TJ- | bekks: Yes, or you could manually create the device.map as a workaround from a script in the kickstart file | 20:38 |
| trism | jjavaholic: yeah you must have been using a modified version | 20:38 |
| bekks | Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable workaround. :) | 20:38 |
| bekks | Now I'm struggling with launchpad again - I set #1292628 to "This bug affects me" but I dont see that bug when clicking on "Affecting bugs" :( | 20:39 |
| nf7 | How long does apt-get update take for you guys? I just freshly installed 14.04 and it's taking upwards of 5 minutes each time. Is that normal? Debian took about 30 seconds for me with all the default sources. | 20:40 |
| hydruid | nf7: it seems to take 1-2 minutes for me at most, sometimes slower/faster than others | 20:40 |
| hydruid | nf7: did you install from the daily build? | 20:41 |
| trism | bekks: it won't show bugs that are fix released unless you go to advanced search | 20:41 |
| bekks | trism: Ah, thank you. | 20:42 |
| Nukien | Anyone know of a source for a minimalCD for 14.04 ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD doesn't list it yet. | 20:42 |
| bekks | trism: Is there a way to safe my search preferences? | 20:43 |
| trism | bekks: not that I know of, would be nice though I am constantly having to show all open bugs and resort by number | 20:45 |
| bekks | :) | 20:45 |
| Oria | hi, I made a xinitrc file on ubuntu 14.04. It doesn't start... | 20:55 |
| Oria | how can i do that? | 20:57 |
| Oria | it's ~/.xinitrc I make a symbolic link .xsession but doesn't works | 20:58 |
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| Oria | I tested a touch /tmp/test_xinitrc and file was created so, xinitrc works but doesn't run command inside | 21:06 |
| lordievader | Oria: What command are you trying to run from the xinitrc script? | 21:08 |
| Oria | xsetwacom --set "Wacom Intuos5 touch M Finger touch" touch off | 21:09 |
| Oria | xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap | 21:09 |
| Oria | these commands inside have already worked, why... | 21:09 |
| lordievader | Is the DISPLAY variable set? (Honestly I don't have experience with xinitrc scripts, but this might help ;)) | 21:10 |
| Oria | lordievader: I never needed to set DISPLAY to xinitrc :/ | 21:17 |
| lordievader | Oria: As I said, I have no experience with it. I'd say xorg should set the variable. But it would be annoying if that where the fix and you'd missed it ;) | 21:19 |
| Oria | lordievader: yes I see, thx | 21:21 |
| Oria | hmm if I run these commands with autostart? | 21:37 |
| Oria | but gnome-session-properties doesn't exist | 21:42 |
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| Oria | pb solved, I make files desktop in ~/.config/autostart/ | 22:02 |
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