[00:02] diddledan: you know you wanna [00:03] I wanna zigga zig aah [00:06] diddledan: huh. No, 64-bit here too. Well, thanks for that bewildering feedback. :) [00:06] I could try purging it and reinstalling it I guess [00:15] denny: you could also try adding a new user account to your system and seeing if a clean profile works or not [00:18] lol @ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=askew [00:19] denny: maybe just reset rhythmbox? [00:33] sheesh [00:33] my sky adsl is down AGAIN [00:33] having to tether to my phone;/ [00:37] mapps: looks like you went down at about 01:10 [00:38] sky is rubbish [00:38] basically imo the issue is contention? [00:38] EVERYONE is on sky..walk around and scan for wireless and its all SKYZYX [00:38] BECAUSE its so damn cheap [00:39] yeah very little room for quality of service i'd imagine [00:40] yep [00:40] honestly everywhere its like SKY SKY SKY..and i get it because people just get phone/tv/net for like 2quid [00:40] so its rubbish [00:42] I just got sold from Be to Sky :( :( :( [00:42] so far; slower, less stable, and no reverse DNS [00:42] diddledan has userhost ~Daniel@5751aa0a.skybroadband.com <-- this [00:42] :-p [00:42] I've not had any issue [00:43] as in, I can't specify my reverse DNS [00:43] on be it was home.denny.me [00:43] (denny.me being my domain, not just some random gibberish I made up) :) [00:43] heh [00:43] yes, I know what you mean. the be people are apparently encouraging sky to open up features like that [00:44] hey denny same well i was with o2..which was powered by be [00:44] sucks hey [00:44] * denny nods [00:46] im not a spurs supporter after monday i think;p [00:46] wont be moving there anytime soon but will go to a few games when possible:) [00:46] why mudnay? [00:47] went to spurs v sunderland ..0-1 down spurs come back and win 5-1!! and id had £250 at 1.63 for them to win and 30 quid at any unqouted score at 7/1 on bf:D [00:48] lol [00:48] paid for the whole thing [00:49] really enjoyed it and tottenham wasnt as bad as i thought itd be === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:19] so its back [01:19] glad i could tether dunno what id do if my net went down all day:D [01:22] http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/ [01:29] how many will be plugged into laptops and fried? :> [01:30] at least 50% [01:30] g'night guys :> [01:30] nn [01:46] early for you daftykins [01:46] nn [02:18] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/wild-heart-were-intelligence-agencies-using-heartbleed-november-2013 [02:19] wonder if i should geta rasperry pi [03:34] 01:38 sky is rubbish [03:34] speak for yourself :) [05:33] hey [05:33] sup [05:35] a week away from the casinos and [05:35] 'oh hey mark you alright hows it going where you been' [05:35] heh [05:41] hello all [05:42] hey MooDoo [06:41] morning [06:42] hello [06:50] so when is the 14.04 launch day? === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [06:51] morning bashrc [06:51] 17th [06:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule [06:52] final freeze was yesterday [06:52] ok. I'll probably upgrade both home and work laptops when it's released [06:54] according to launchpad, the "double screensaver" bug has FINALLY been fixed [06:55] I hope the Z580 boot bug has been fixed. That has been an annoyance. [06:57] Z580? Is that a "newer" Z80 (like the 80386 was a "better" 8086 ;) [07:13] no, Lenovo Z580 laptop. Sometimes it doesn't boot. Something related to the power management system. [07:36] Morning all [07:36] morning diplo [07:37] morning heartbleeders [07:41] SuperMatt: storm in a teacup ;) [07:43] bloody multi-universe apocalypse in a teacup [07:44] lol [07:44] it was a pretty bug bug though [07:45] *big [07:45] a pretty big bug which only required a one line fix >.< [07:46] but at least there will be people *pouring* over the openssl code to make sure this doesn't happen again [07:46] millions of certificates revoked. Lots of embedded systems out there may not be upgradable [07:46] SuperMatt: the coder submitted the code for the issue 1 hour before midnight on new years eve, even then reviewer missed it [07:47] >.< [08:16] I've probably made thousands of coding mistakes, and even in a good team things can still get past review [08:17] so I don't think heartbleed was necessarily a conspiracy unless more information comes to light [08:28] morning boys and girls. [08:28] hello brobostigon [08:29] morning MooDoo [08:47] is there a way i can avoid MITM attacks on my ssh sessions? [08:47] and SSL traffic. [08:47] in reality, no. [08:48] if the server you have been connected to has in any way been compromised and had their keys taken, you can't prevent MITM [08:48] physical proximity to the target server! you'll see all men in the middle! [08:48] :) [08:49] ive learnt i may be about to be monitored by a palo alto device, and i understand it does SSL/SSH decryption - presumably via MITM, and i have a problem with my privacy being invaded :o [08:50] without the keys from the other side, I don't know how they would decrypt [08:50] they may do deep packet inspection to try to guess what's going on though [08:50] https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/products/features/decryption.html [08:51] arsen: what makes you think someone will be monitoring you with such a device? [08:51] arsen: those devices are for corporates who have the ability to use GPOs to make your computer trust the certificate the device uses [08:52] diddledan - overheard / noticed it being installed for testing a while back :) [08:52] arsen: for a computer that isn't part of an Active Directory corporate domain there is nothing they can do without you being warned [08:53] interesting. i think during testing i was made aware that someone saw me chatting in #ubuntu-uk , for example [08:53] not that i'm doing anything wrong, but if they can do SSL decrypt, i'll suddenly be more concerned about banking / private sites / emails etc. [08:54] they can't without your consent. consent is implicit when you're using a business pc [08:54] and i sit on a self built nix box, not part of the AD domain, though that's unique to a few people. [08:55] yeah i suspect that'd be their arguement [08:55] if you don't have someone installing certificates behind your back and your pc isn't using GPOs then they have no way of decrypting your traffic [09:09] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Barbershop Quartet Day! :-D [09:16] morning JamesTait [09:17] diddledan, o/ [09:31] Good morning peeps :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:50] the hearbleed explanation on xkcd is nice :D [09:51] Yup [09:52] Also explains how to exploit it [09:52] Or at least gives me an idea how one does [10:02] Anybody recognise names on this list? https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/lamp-and-beyond-ii-tickets-11069221339 [10:04] not me [10:04] nor I. [10:06] I know Mr Spriggs by the emails he sends me. He is part of UK LUGs http://lugs.org.uk :-) [10:06] anybody want to play "Caption this"? http://is.gd/Wqng8J [10:07] Sorry lug.org.uk [10:07] philwyett: wassup? [10:08] jussi: Come on lads. Torres's scoring ability must be here somewhere! [10:08] Yeah, I've heard of Jon Spriggs. Not sure I've met him though [10:08] jussi: "Are you sure that's East?" [10:08] popey: Just someone asking if we recognised anyone from a list of attendees for a LAMP event. [10:09] Morning popey by the way. [10:09] MartijnVdS: and philwyett - both are very good :D [10:36] What's the app called again that basically works as a chrome wrapper around a webapp in ubuntu? [10:37] There are a number of web-apps I'd like to open in their own windows [10:44] ah found it, need to prefix unity-webapps [10:54] so who likes fast booting linux? :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYpq_7nicM - just a little something the lads at work have been doing. [10:56] Morning all o/ [10:56] morning selinuxium [10:56] (afternoon here and only just still morning there) :P [10:57] yup. :) Where are you jussi ? [10:57] selinuxium: Finland [10:57] Neat :) [10:57] don't ask why I hang out in the UK channel... :P [10:57] Wasn't going to... :) [10:58] you're just a sucker for punishement and you know i'll be around at atupid o'clock in the morning for you to bug ;) [10:58] jussi: more to the point would be "why would you NOT want to hang out in the UK channel?!" [10:59] I mean, the UK channel is where all the cool kids hang out [10:59] diddledan: I'm old, therefore not cool well that's what my kids say [10:59] lo [11:00] Yay! I am a cool kid again! [11:00] :D [11:07] ah dear. I just almost cracked up laughing on a business call... I shouldnt click unknown links while on calls... http://is.gd/EyVa7c [11:10] http://catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcats.tumblr.com/post/70714086421 [11:11] bigcalm: bonsai kitten? [11:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNhycX0XCJ0 [11:23] directhex: epic! [11:29] omg, is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAjM1pRIFP4 where "Hello, yes this is dog" comes from? [11:32] nah, that's from http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yes-this-is-dog [11:34] ugh, we have a manager at work who always interupts with "this is robert" on conf calls. every single time, "this is dog" appears in my head [11:35] this is dan, shauno , he's from corporate stock [11:36] oh it's worse than that. he's german [11:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu_bGbZiiQ [12:02] did everyone just up-and-die on me? [12:02] yes [12:02] yes [12:03] yup [12:03] damn [12:04] 😵 [12:18] c..ca...call 112... :P [12:23] 112 is 999 in britain :-p [12:23] although 112 should still work but nobody in britain knows it exists apart from me :-) [12:24] diddledan: 112 works in all of Europe, and mobile phone networks map it ;) [12:26] damned "tories" want to hold a referendum over whether britain should leave europe [12:26] they think by promising that they'll get elected next time around [12:26] they're trying to get the xenophobic/racist vote [12:29] it surprises me there isn't an effort underway to move britain to just-off the coast of New York by means of a large engine === feisar__ is now known as feisar [12:40] its sad that winning is so important that you need to cater to the racist/xenophobic vote [12:44] I don't understand how they can give these viewpoints so much of their time, no-one I know thinks this way. [12:45] Mind you, I live in Scotland, and we might well become part of Scandinavia sometime soon. [12:45] * dwatkins wonders idly what the ISO 3166 2-letter code for Scotland will be [12:46] a journo friend of mine did some polls about leaving europe. The answers were either "yes!" in that pigheaded "Britain for the British" kind of way, or "I really don't have enough information" [12:47] and even then, the vast majority fell in to the latter camp [12:47] so having a referrendum is pointless [12:49] yeah, because the former camp might win because the rest of us might not vote [12:49] I also feel that scotland should be part of the UK. I think we're all better off if we can work together [12:50] I'm concerned the scottish referrendum might turn out like this. [12:50] it's the building of artificial barriers which prevents progress [12:50] indeed, SuperMatt - my main question about Scottish independance is "Why?" [12:50] I just don't know [12:52] I suspect it will result in a country with little income. [12:52] I imagine if you go to glasgow or edinburgh, most won't want to leave, my money's on most of the "yes" voters coming from the rural towns and villages who don't quite understand how economies work and just want their own piece of land to be exactly how they want it [12:52] indeed [12:53] dwatkins: they can sell moss. [12:53] dwatkins: highland moss. [12:53] dwatkins: and some peat. [12:53] and a few bottles of drink [12:53] I wonder how scotland will cope when it comes to paying its welfare bill [12:54] we have it pretty good right now with free prescriptions, free eye tests and no student fees. [12:54] I'd be very surprised if that could continue after independence. [12:54] sure sure, but how is that being paid for? [12:59] I imagine it's a case of apportioning our taxes differently. [13:00] for iso3166-2, since EC & SC are already taken, I'd propose 'JK'. it's unused, and dot-jock would rock [13:01] nice [13:04] I'm kinda tied on the independence thing. I think we should go more-EU and make borders less and less relevant. [13:06] the trouble is that sentiment seems to be less prevelent south of the "border" [13:06] I gather there's a clear difference in the way Scotland votes compared to England, too. [13:06] well there's your irony, I'm english :) [13:07] me too, I just happen to live in Edinburgh [13:07] I grew up in Berkshire. [13:07] I'm from oxord, but I grew up near glasgow [13:07] er, *oxford [13:07] I think we should all just be a massive part of europe [13:07] but there we go [13:08] well quite, SuperMatt [13:08] we are a massive part of europe. we're just in denial about it [13:08] although I'm not sure "The United States of Europe" would be a popular idea ;) [13:12] we just call outselves europe! [13:12] Or, tbh, Outer London [13:12] because London is all that matters [13:13] or maybe "London wastes" [13:13] yes, that's what we shall call Europe [13:13] not-London [13:13] I found myself recently wondering if the EU is closer to the US's initial design than the US is [13:14] that wouldn't surprise me [13:15] as far as state law vs federal law goes, at least. the fed was only supposed to be involved with interstate commerce, foreign policy, etc. and eventually dug its fingers into everything else [13:15] ...and then the rest of the world [13:16] so we're moving towards the design they're moving away from [13:17] well, Europe is... [13:18] I'll stick with 'we' because I don't live in the UK anymore :) [13:18] fair enough [13:18] I've always considered myself a citizen of Europe, as the school I went to was a european one. [13:18] and it saves me the embarrassment of admitting the UK's foreign policy is driven by the Daily Mail [13:19] it appears they aren't aware of the .ac.uk domains, though: http://www.esculham.co.uk/ [13:21] too many of the UK's policies are daily mail driven [13:22] * dwatkins shudders [13:22] I don't understand why that paper sells so well [13:24] * brobostigon reads private eye. [13:24] fear sells [13:26] http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA26 [13:27] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/454601744711168000 [13:29] that doesn't seem so wise. could be interesting though [13:29] "Poitras responded to a question of if she would hazard an entry into the United States and she responded that she planned to attend an April 11th event regardless of the legal or professional threats posed by the United States authorities." [13:37] My cheap USB fan with LEDs on it that is a clock is now just a fan #FirstWorldProblems [13:39] I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth [13:40] afternoon all [13:40] well said, bashrc [13:41] I just consider countries to be zones of administerial convenience [13:41] Hippy. [13:41] ☻ [13:41] heh, I don't even have long hair [13:55] i'm more of a visitor to planet earth than a citizen [13:55] with a residency visa [13:56] I feel like an alien sitting in the corner solving problems he sees as they float past [14:15] either that, or I'm actually from another century, but I had my memory wiped. [14:18] dogmatic69: wait, you're https://www.youtube.com/user/ZoggFromBetelgeuse ?! [14:19] nope [14:19] uhrr I meant to say directhex: [14:19] ah [14:20] i do these very lowly paid surveys for ipsos etc.. lots of them seem to be about home broadband and/or beer [14:25] interesting to see what market research they are doing though [14:45] foobarry: I do similar ones here. for the same reason. [14:49] get paid pittance [14:50] like £1 for 20 minutes [14:50] these ones dont even pay. you get put into a draw for a gift card... [15:01] bug #1283979 [15:01] bug 1283979 in unity (Ubuntu) "moving windows causes the top bar and the launcher bar to flicker" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283979 [15:10] jussi: one of the surveys just now says "did you share any unauthorised films online in the last 12 moinths?" [15:13] How do you know if a film is unauthorised? [15:14] i.e did you share any copyrighted films onlien [15:14] I imagine it's pretty easy to tell [15:14] i didn't , but if i did, would i say yes? [15:14] Ignore me, I was being pedantic [15:14] perhaps it's like the riddle of the two people, one of whom lies, the other tells the truth [15:14] next question "have you ever lied on a survey?" [15:15] i got screened out of the survey after saying no [15:15] its a trap! [15:23] Are t-mobile and orange offering 4g now? Or does one have to move their contract to ee? [15:24] even three are doing it [15:24] as i realised because my wireless mics stopped working [15:29] Och, shite [15:29] Oops [15:29] Sorry, channel unfriendly [15:53] hey bigcalm i think you gotta go to ee [15:54] Ho hum [15:54] I'd lose my discount then [16:13] whenever ive looked at 4g its too expensive anyway [16:13] i have unlimited 3g atm and thats the best i can get [16:13] i pai 50quid/month though..couldnt see any way to get it for any less [16:13] and it includes tethering [16:24] 3g is actually fine for my needs. Just that 8th May sees the end of my current contract and time for a new handset [16:25] So getting one that can do 4g is nice, but I guess not going to get used [16:25] bigcalm, I've separated my handset and contract cycles [16:26] We've recently had this discussion in here :P [16:26] Yeah [16:27] £10 pcm for 1GB inc. tethering suits me just fine [16:27] Hardly ever tether anyway [16:27] Oppo any good? [16:27] Oppo? [16:27] Yeah, that's what I thought [16:27] https://en.oppo.com/ [16:29] Nice idea I suppose [16:29] Happy enough with my N4, but if you want the extra customizability they seem to have the right attitude [16:29] Who knows about the hardware though.. [16:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mY7Px6n4o [16:36] awilkins sure but i do like 3-4gig a month 3g at times [16:36] and tether on the train etc [16:36] mapp, Heh, don't travel on trains anymore, and when I did it was usually over the pennines... tethering almost pointless :-) [16:37] Ouch $600 for the fancy end Oppo [16:38] ah [16:39] Looks like I'll "make do" with the Samsung Galaxy S5 [16:39] how much that gonna cost u [16:39] for the phone and per month [16:39] Hopefully 50 quid up front and no more than 30 quid a month for 2 years (which is what I'm currently on) [16:40] That's if I can get the SGS5 on my Friends & Family discount [16:40] T-Mobile originally said that I couldn't have the SGS3 on my discount contract. But when I tried to cancel my contract to go elsewhere, they said I could have it [16:40] that seems ok [16:40] but [16:41] that seems cheap [16:41] hard to judge as all i want is unlimited 3g though and that costs money dnt care about mins ir texts [16:41] The S5 has the style of the S2 [16:41] not upgrading till the i6 is out [16:41] :D [16:43] il be putting a pre order in once the dates released [16:43] cant wait [16:46] Looking at these new phones makes my SGS3 feel small [16:47] KIK [16:47] LOL EVEN [16:47] well [16:47] my friend had that big samsung thats like a phablet [16:47] he got sick of it and sold it [16:47] like a big screen is nice except it dont fit in your pocket so its awkward [16:47] The Note? [16:47] na a phone tablet note is ust a tablet aint it? [16:48] i mean for using the net or watching videos its sweet but it wouldnt fit in my pocket [16:48] The S5 is only slightly larger in both dimensions than the S3 that I have. So it'll still fit in my pocket [16:48] the i6 is coming in 2 varieties apparently [16:48] Does one of them have a usable OS? [16:48] Na, that'll never happen [16:48] pffff [16:48] :P [16:48] [16:48] have u used an iphone [16:49] i love them [16:49] I've used an iPad. Hated it [16:49] i think even popey has an iphone? [16:49] i do [16:49] yea see [16:49] and android, firefox, ubuntu.. [16:49] popey is an Apple fan boy [16:49] shut it [16:49] lol [16:49] :D [16:49] i have 5 phones on my desk, not rnough [16:50] ive got an android tablet nexus7/ipad air 128gig/firefox zte open/firefox other phone and i5 [16:50] so not an apple fanboy..i just like ios:) [16:50] i dont think androids half as good tbh [16:50] firefox os phones arent a fraction of the cost of ios/android so dont have to be as good [16:52] s5s how much off contract? [16:52] the new $25 ffos phone has 128MB RAM [16:52] ZTE open? [16:52] no [16:53] the new one [16:53] oh [16:53] made by foxconn i think [16:53] i mean ive got a zte open..and its obviously not anywhere near an iphone 5 [16:53] but its also 1/10 of the price [16:53] indeed, i have one too, it was given to me [16:53] people dont seem to get that [16:53] its a terrible phone. [16:53] but its 1/10 of the price of an iphone or s5 [16:53] so what? [16:54] that doesn't stop it being terrible [16:54] well, then you cant expect miracles :) [16:54] I didnt expect miracles [16:54] You're suggesting things I never said. [16:55] no i didnt mean that just saying i didnt expect much [16:55] i mean imo it does twitter and the net and its cheap its what i expected [16:55] you cant even scroll properly [16:55] it flies past the target [16:55] yea thats annoying [16:56] i wonder if the other firefox phones are any better [16:56] also wonder if any if the updates make it better [17:00] the geeks phone feels nice [17:00] a bit like a sony device [17:09] Up in Manchester tomorrow. Where's nice to have dinner on one's own? [17:10] nandos! [17:10] i went there in the ardale [17:10] ¬.¬ [17:11] its nice lol [17:11] I like Nandos, but I can get that here [17:12] curry mile dude! [17:12] hard rock cafe [17:12] Hayley be home! [17:12] * bigcalm scurries off to be happy [17:13] hayley? [17:14] Lots of nice place in Manchester [17:14] yea [17:16] gah [17:16] in a queue [17:16] on phone to passport office;/ [17:17] so, I met some guy locally who wants to set up a bitcoin meetup yesterday, he casually mentions he has something from Butterfly Labs and that he broke the PSU, I offered to go take a look. Turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in a box, since November...*cry* [17:17] for those not in the know...$3000 worth of hardware, $20,000+ in missed profits [17:21] woah [17:21] you in the US? [17:22] mapp: nope, UK [17:24] oh just u said in dollars [17:40]