[06:48] <Kilos> hi superfly  ThatGraemeGuy  jabberwocky93  Spekko  
[06:49] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[06:49] <superfly> morning kbmonkey
[06:49] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[06:50] <superfly> and Kilos
[06:50] <kbmonkey> hello superfly 
[06:50] <kbmonkey> so my phone dropped and cracked, my insurance covers me for a new phone - now I am deciding
[06:51] <Kilos> wow the fone just dropped?
[06:51] <Kilos> off the table
[06:51] <kbmonkey> no, out of my hand trying to juggle too many things getting in the car :p
[06:51] <Kilos> lol
[06:52] <Kilos> what fone kbmonkey  ?
[06:52] <Kilos> i see they even advertising the samsung s5 already
[06:53] <kbmonkey> I have not decided yet kilos
[06:53] <Kilos> no man the one that dropped?
[06:53] <Spekko> Morning Kilos
[06:53] <kbmonkey> I dont want to go top of the line
[06:53] <kbmonkey> cos then Id have to pay in extra
[06:53] <Kilos> ah
[06:53] <kbmonkey> it was the galaxy ace - android phone
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> kbmonkey: what's your budget for the new phone?
[06:54] <kbmonkey> hi hi Spekko and ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:54] <kbmonkey> I think I am covered up to 2500
[06:54] <Spekko> morning kbmonkey
[06:55] <kbmonkey> anyting extra Ill have to pay + the excess
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> how much is the excess and how much extra are you willing to add?
[06:56] <kbmonkey> the excess is minimum 300 and they say it varies depending the phone I choose
[06:57] <kbmonkey> I am hoping to get something without paying extra on top of that :p
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can get an s3 mini in that price range
[06:58] <kbmonkey> ThatGraemeGuy, I was thinking exactly the same :)
[06:58] <kbmonkey> oh crap, I got to go - need to do regression testing for a release...
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've been due for upgrade since 1 feb but i've decided i'm just going to let my contract run out and go prepaid
[06:59] <kbmonkey> ya, I want to get a phone and end my contract too - 
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> nothing wrong with my phone and there's not enough "wow" in newer phones to convince me to keep spending R300+
[06:59] <kbmonkey> been on it for almost a decade and prepaid is the way to go
[06:59] <kbmonkey> totally, I just need functional - my pc is where the action is ;)
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> none of the contracts cater to my usage pattern, heavy on data, extremely light on voice calls
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i just waste money on contract airtime i don't use
[07:00] <kbmonkey> I'll research it more later - time to try and use my brain o.O
[07:01] <Kilos> haha my fone only works when i want to complain to my isp
[07:03] <jabberwocky93> looks like ubuntu 14.04 is behind on the release candidate
[07:03]  * jabberwocky93 wants to install 14.04 asap
[07:04] <Kilos> i have it running jabberwocky93  
[07:04] <Kilos> bit better than 12.04
[07:05] <jabberwocky93> the problem being that I want to avoid too much updates
[07:06] <Kilos> ai! then let it settle down first
[07:06] <jabberwocky93> the translation packages are usually the last update I wait for before I install
[07:06] <Kilos> sometimes updates come twice a day
[07:07] <jabberwocky93> die rooimiere byt!
[07:08] <Kilos> hehe
[07:08] <jabberwocky93> oh snap, I don't have my flash drive with me
[07:08]  * jabberwocky93 will have to wait
[07:12] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[07:12] <charl_> good morning
[07:12] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:12]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:12] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[07:12] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[07:13] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[07:13] <charl_> how's it going with the flu 
[07:13] <charl_> is it gone yet?
[07:13] <Kilos> seems a bit better ty
[07:13] <Kilos> still coughing and nose runs
[07:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:16] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:24] <charl_> Maaz: thank you
[07:24] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[07:24] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Golynx  
[07:25] <charl_> Kilos: that sucks :( for how long have you been sick now?
[07:25] <Kilos> 2 weeks about
[07:25] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:25] <Golynx> hi charl_
[07:25] <charl_> Kilos: whow ok, look after yourself man !
[07:25] <Kilos> worst flu i ever seen. normally i miss getting it
[07:25] <charl_> Golynx: how's it going with you today ? better ?
[07:25] <charl_> Kilos: same here
[07:25] <Kilos> swaar and sis had it for a month now
[07:26] <charl_> bah !
[07:27] <Golynx> charl_ i'm a quick healer , its amazing i can move my neck again to the right . Still some sharp pain and stiffness left though
[07:27] <Golynx> Kilos whats wrong
[07:27] <Golynx> oh flu , i didnt see it
[07:27] <Kilos> only flu still but it seems to be weakening Golynx  
[07:28] <charl_> Golynx: ok be careful
[07:29] <Golynx> thats good kilos, we can beat these things :)
[07:29] <Golynx> will do charl_
[07:29] <Kilos> yeah
[07:30] <charl_> :)
[07:30] <charl_> ok i'm off again ttyl
[07:30] <Kilos> ok
[07:51]  * Squirm wanders in
[07:52] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:54] <Squirm> I suppose all of you that need to know already know about heartbleed?
[07:55] <Squirm> it has been a few days now
[07:55] <Kilos> yeah
[07:55] <charl_> https://xkcd.com/1354/
[07:56] <Squirm> brilliant
[07:58] <magespawn> good day all
[07:58] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[07:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[07:59] <Squirm> hey magespawn 
[08:00] <magespawn> anybody have recommendations for a password manager?
[08:00] <Squirm> I just use the standard one that comes with Mint for my passwords
[08:01] <Squirm> and Chrome for my websites
[08:01] <Squirm> s/website/website passwords
[08:01] <charl_> magespawn: currently i use keepass2
[08:01] <Squirm> the joys of Chrome syncronisation :D
[08:01] <charl_> Squirm: how secure is that?
[08:02] <charl_> magespawn: i have been looking at moving to this: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/
[08:02] <magespawn> i was just reading up on this http://www.pcworld.com/article/2142104/lastpass-now-scans-for-heartbleed-affected-accounts.html
[08:02] <magespawn> i am not sure if there is a standard one with lubuntu
[08:02] <Squirm> charl_: no idea how secure it is
[08:03] <Squirm> the only password I don't want people to get is my banking password, that isn't stored
[08:03]  * Squirm shrugs
[08:04] <Squirm> Google has m life stored on its servers, so if something happens, I'm screwed anyway :P
[08:04] <magespawn> lol
[08:04] <charl_> i don't have a banking password, i have a digipass
[08:04] <charl_> two-factor authentication :)
[08:05] <charl_> lo
[08:05] <charl_> lol
[08:05] <magespawn> Google has apparently already patched their servers and I have the authenticator on my phone
[08:06] <Squirm> with FNB, to pay anyone not on your saved accounts, you need a One Time Pin anyway
[08:06] <Squirm> so they'll be able to see how much I owe people
[08:06] <Squirm> but that's about it :P
[08:09] <magespawn> looks like keepass and lastpass are the most popular according to this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/best-linux-password-manager.html
[08:13] <charl_> for me it's about which one is most secure
[08:13] <charl_> afaik lastpass is not open source
[08:14] <charl_> while keepass is gpl licensed
[08:14] <magespawn> i see there is a release of python tools for visual studio
[08:16] <magespawn> so lets give keepass a try then
[08:17] <charl_> microsoft has been busy with iron python for a long time
[08:21] <Kilos> things getting worse daily
[08:21] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/100368-new-online-banking-fraud-scheme-in-south-africa.html
[08:41] <charl_> shocking
[08:41] <charl_> it's almost like unauthorised domain transfers
[08:41] <charl_> between registrars
[08:42] <Kilos> and no one accepts the blame
[08:42] <Kilos> online banking is rather risky in the new world
[08:43] <charl_> but cellphones are very insecure - i don't even have one
[08:43] <charl_> they are also a major privacy risk
[08:43] <charl_> two-factor authentication using sms is a horrible idea
[08:43] <charl_> digipass is a great system
[08:46] <charl_> whow even juniper and cisco have been affected by the heartbleed problem
[10:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:29] <Kilos> you seem more stable today magespawn 
[10:37] <magespawn> yes kilos, different location
[10:37] <Kilos> aha
[10:37] <magespawn> back up at bonamanzi for the weekend
[10:37] <Kilos> ai!
[10:38] <Kilos> so its in empangeni its bad
[10:38] <magespawn> yes the link there is rather a long one, but there might be a chance of getting adsl to the property 
[10:39] <Kilos> good
[10:39] <Kilos> wifi link?
[10:40] <magespawn> wireless yes, but not direct line of sight so there is another station in between on top of a hill
[10:40] <Kilos> if they see each other it shouldnt drop then
[10:44] <magespawn> indeed but it does, so there are a lot of factors to check to narrow down the problem
[10:45] <Kilos> yeah
[10:45] <Kilos> lets hope you get the adsl then
[10:46] <Kilos> not good for the head to think too much
[10:46] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[10:46] <magespawn> hi Golynx 
[10:49] <magespawn> charl_, do you use the ubuntu package or do you run it from wine? keepass that is.
[10:49] <Golynx> my wifi didn't work so i went to ubuntu channel and found out the bluetooth switched turned it on and off lol
[10:50] <charl_> magespawn: ubuntu package keepass2
[10:50] <charl_> runs on mono
[10:50] <magespawn> Golynx, yes with a laptop i have found they have one switch that does both
[10:51] <magespawn> ty charl_ 
[10:51] <Golynx> magespawn: yeah mine is the same.
[10:52] <Golynx> but mine was locked and had to do sudo rfkill unblock all , to get it to finally work correct
[10:53] <Kilos> wow you learning fancy things hey Golynx 
[10:54] <Golynx> Kilos lol 
[10:55] <Golynx> i just do what the experts say and put it in a commands list file :)
[10:55] <Golynx> save also*
[10:56] <Kilos> ya me too
[10:56] <Kilos> got commands saved all over
[10:57] <Kilos> battle to find the one i need often though
[10:59] <Golynx> I usually write 1 or 2 sentences explaining what the command does. I wana make a small command search app so i just type in what i wana do and it gives me a list of suitable commands to use.
[11:03] <Kilos> aha
[11:18] <magespawn> bbl got to go do an install
[12:10] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn your team let us down again
[12:11] <nlsthzn> yup :(
[12:51] <Private_User> good day people
[12:54] <Private_User> hmm... mighty quite in here
[12:54] <Golynx> Private_User: hey 
[12:55] <Private_User> hey Golynx
[12:55] <Golynx> they all said TGIF :)
[12:56] <Private_User> yeah TGIF :D
[12:57] <Private_User> but these days for me no difference between TGIF and the rest of the week
[12:57] <Private_User> :/
[12:57] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[12:57] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[12:57] <Private_User> ok let me ask my question, it maybe stupid but I still am an ubuntu newbie
[12:58] <Kilos> dont nag just ask
[12:58] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <Private_User> I am trying to use my Nokia CS-19 Internet Stick with Lubuntu
[12:58] <Private_User> how do I access it?
[12:58] <Kilos> as a modem?
[12:58] <Private_User> I see it when I do usb-devices
[12:58] <Private_User> yeah as a modem I wanna use it as a modem
[12:59] <Kilos> in the network manager applet thing it should off the choice of add a new mobile device
[13:00] <Kilos> when you plug it in dont you get a popup
[13:00] <Private_User> I was looking could not find it
[13:00] <Private_User> nope no pop up
[13:00] <Private_User> actually a pop up for the memory card
[13:00] <Private_User> but not for the modem
[13:01] <Kilos> its a tiny upside down triangle or just an upright kinda tower
[13:01] <Kilos> normally in one of the panels
[13:02] <Private_User> sorry I need to start the machine up again tried a few things from the internet earlier
[13:02] <Kilos> ok
[13:03] <Golynx> is network-manager installed as default in lubuntu
[13:03] <Kilos> yes must be
[13:03] <Private_User> so while we wait, hows it going?
[13:03] <Kilos> in all buntus
[13:04] <Golynx> oh ok
[13:04] <Golynx> fine and you Private_User
[13:04] <Kilos> someone here is using lubuntu but i dunno who
[13:05] <Kilos> does it have a taskbar
[13:05] <Private_User> yep
[13:06] <Kilos> and no nm icon in it?
[13:06] <Golynx> Private_User: you can also try sudo service network-manager restart   . If nothing is happening
[13:06] <Private_User> there is but there was nothing there earlier
[13:07] <Private_User> but let me try again and see if I get something gonna have to disconnect from here though
[13:07] <Private_User> brb
[13:07] <Kilos> if there isnt one maybe right clicking on the taskbar and going panel settings will give the option to add a nm-applet or icon
[13:07] <Kilos> oh there is?
[13:08] <Golynx> in 2007 i tried connecting my phone to pc. I needed specific software though for the phone to talk to the pc. 
[13:09] <Golynx> but nowadays most network link software are already installed on the phone
[13:10] <Kilos> ubuntu sees cellphones quicker than it sees modems
[13:10] <Kilos> you dont normally need to install anything
[13:10] <Golynx> back then you had to buy a CD that had the software on lol
[13:11] <Golynx> yeah, its easier today
[13:12] <Kilos> oh windows always wants to install something first
[13:12] <Kilos> then reboot
[13:13] <Kilos> ubuntu should just see it
[13:13] <Golynx> haha ya ,that was win Xp
[13:13] <Kilos> i have the same with 7.modem first gotta install stuff
[13:15] <Kilos> then it first asks do you want to allow untrusted stuff to install
[13:16] <Golynx> lol
[13:16] <Kilos> whew he is taking a while
[13:16] <Golynx> windows likes frustrating people , then after a year fixing the issue. The same with win 8
[13:17] <Kilos> haha after a year of playing games on 95 98 xp and fdisk and format monthly i came to ubuntu
[13:19] <Kilos> now if it doesnt work on ubuntu its not worth having
[13:21] <Golynx> ya true
[13:22] <Kilos> except for modem tools that are best in xp 
[13:22] <Kilos> Golynx, have you installed modem-manager-gui
[13:23] <Kilos> it shows lots about your modem
[13:23] <Kilos> even smses
[13:24] <Golynx> its already installed i see, but dunno how to access it
[13:25] <Trixar_za> Through NetworkManager
[13:25] <Kilos> ya
[13:25] <Kilos> just run it in terminal
[13:26] <Golynx> modem-manager[8205]: <info>  ModemManager (version 0.5.2.0) starting...
[13:26] <Golynx> modem-manager[8205]: <warn>  Could not acquire the org.freedesktop.ModemManager service.
[13:26] <Golynx>   Message: 'Connection ":1.80" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.ModemManager" due to security policies in the configuration file'
[13:26] <Kilos> Trixar_za, hi, you on lubuntu hey?
[13:27] <Kilos> try it with sudo Golynx 
[13:28] <Golynx> modem-manager[8247]: <warn>  Could not acquire the org.freedesktop.ModemManager service as it is already taken. Return: 3
[13:28] <Kilos> oh my
[13:28] <Kilos> in unity it comes up in dash and just works
[13:31] <Golynx> what is its name other than modem-manager
[13:31] <Kilos> modem-manager-gui
[13:32] <Golynx> command not found
[13:32] <Kilos> should popup a little window
[13:33] <Kilos> you sure its installed?
[13:33] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall modem-manager-gui
[13:33] <Golynx> yeah, all green in synaptic
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz, how to run modem-manager-gui in xubuntu
[13:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[13:34] <Kilos> ai!
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to run modem-manager-gui in xubuntu
[13:34] <Maaz> Kilos: "Step-by-Step Guide for Configuring USB Modem on Ubuntu" http://telecomtalk.info/step-by-step-guide-configuring-usb-modem-ubuntu/101849/ :: "Xubuntu Linux Documentation - About.com" http://linux.about.com/od/xubuntu_doc/ :: "ModemManager for Linux Free Download" http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/ModemManager-53897.shtml :: "'network-manager'
[13:34] <Maaz> Answers By New Users - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/tags/network-manager/new :: "AppDevelope…
[13:35] <Kilos> ai!
[13:35] <Kilos> must be in the other 500 links
[13:35] <Golynx> can you view files on the modem with this app 
[13:36] <Kilos> what files?
[13:36] <Golynx> there is a small drive on the modem i used to opened it on windows
[13:37] <Kilos> the storage partition
[13:37] <Golynx> on gparted too was listed as a pertition, but linux not picking it up
[13:37] <Kilos> or does yours also have the new cdrom stuff
[13:37] <Golynx> partition*
[13:39] <Golynx> i dunno, i saved some stuff on there when i was on windows. I guess its used to store the drivers for the modem and stuff
[13:39] <Kilos> devices sms ussd info scan traffic contacts
[13:39] <Kilos> thats what it can do
[13:40] <Golynx> 2GB total , but was less than a Meg in there when i first opened the drive
[13:41] <Golynx> hmm, i cant use the sms or ussd though
[13:42] <Kilos> is it running?
[13:43] <Golynx> i am using the modem all day on Cell-c Default (Cell C EDGE) connection
[13:44] <Kilos> ai! thats so slow
[13:44] <Kilos> is cellc only edge there?
[13:44] <Kilos> one step up from gprs
[13:44] <Golynx> ya lol 
[13:44] <Kilos> fone them and complain
[13:45] <Kilos> tell them you want 3g
[13:45] <Kilos> pretty please
[13:45] <Golynx> if i plug in vodacom now it will give me full broadband 3G , but they too expensive
[13:45] <Kilos> old private fella battling looks like
[13:46] <Golynx> haha, imaging how long that line of complaints are already at Cellc 
[13:46] <Kilos> fone them they can maybe just switch it from there
[13:46] <Trixar_za> 3G modems can be a pain though. Especially if you have to fight with NetworkManager and modem-manager
[13:47] <Kilos> you right Trixar_za very painful
[13:47] <Kilos> but without a choice what can you do
[13:47] <Trixar_za> You never told me if the older build of sakis3g worked or not
[13:47] <Trixar_za> :P
[13:47] <Kilos> oh btw sakis now sees and connects my dlink
[13:48] <Trixar_za> So the older code works on systems before the libusb-1.x switch
[13:48] <Kilos> but cant do the modeswitch config
[13:48] <Golynx> atleast i never get disconnected :)
[13:48] <Kilos> nope the old one didnt work at all
[13:48] <Trixar_za> Then it's probably not sakis3g
[13:49] <Kilos> the new one wants that libusb.h to configure it
[13:49] <Kilos> but it switches it and connects
[13:49] <Trixar_za> What do you mean?
[13:49] <Kilos> you gotta use interface 2 for some reason
[13:49] <Kilos> only switch modem works
[13:50] <Kilos> in the more options
[13:50] <Trixar_za> No, I meant why does it need libusb.h?
[13:50] <Kilos> lemme look what the other things are called
[13:50] <Trixar_za> The old one doesn't use libusb.h - at all
[13:51] <Trixar_za> it uses usb.h
[13:51] <Kilos> compile embedded usb modeswitch
[13:51] <charl_> just upgraded to ubuntu 14.04
[13:51] <charl_> looking very good for a beta 2
[13:51] <Kilos> that wants the libusb.h
[13:52] <Kilos> im on 14.04 here now charl_ 
[13:52] <Kilos> unity
[13:52] <Trixar_za> Do you mean you're recompiling yourself?
[13:52] <Kilos> no i clicked on it
[13:53] <Kilos> also the only setup modem wants libusb.h
[13:53] <Kilos> but only prepare modem works and gives the tty position
[13:53] <Trixar_za> https://github.com/Trixarian/sakis3g-source/blob/master/README.md
[13:54] <Trixar_za> And that only applies with the one using the latest source code
[13:54] <Kilos> thats what i have installed on 14.04 now
[13:54] <charl_> Kilos: am using i3 but it is looking very good
[13:55] <charl_> also managed to get vmware workstation to run except i needed to patch it first
[13:55] <Trixar_za> I do see the flaw in preparation method though - damn ubuntu
[13:55] <charl_> it doesn't run out of the box with the new kernel 3.13 yet
[13:56] <Kilos> ubuntu keeps you making sakis better Trixar_za 
[13:56] <Kilos> unity runs lekker ChanServ 
[13:56] <Kilos> better than 12.04
[13:56] <Trixar_za> No, they keep making it worse
[13:56] <Trixar_za> Why move it to it's own folder?
[13:56] <Trixar_za> ONLY Ubuntu does that
[13:56] <Trixar_za> So it's THEIR mess
[13:57] <Trixar_za> But whatever. Try sudo ln -s /usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h /usr/include/libusb.h
[13:57] <Trixar_za> and I bet you it will work now
[13:57] <Kilos> permanently?
[13:57] <Trixar_za> Yes
[13:57] <Kilos> or run command every time
[13:57] <Kilos> cool
[13:58] <Trixar_za> Although I'm sure http://trixarian.net/sakis3g-old.gz should work without problems
[13:58] <Trixar_za> Since even Ubuntu doesn't move usb.h
[13:59] <charl_> have a good evening all
[13:59] <Kilos> i couldnt get it to run here
[13:59] <Kilos> most likely me doing something wrong
[14:00] <Kilos> did you look at that u3 tool Trixar_za 
[14:00] <Kilos> im scared to use it and then the whole cdrom part is deleed
[14:01] <Trixar_za> No, I just left mine on there - it will still be a cdrom - just empty if you overwrite it
[14:03] <Kilos> yes i have ians old zte mf190 here that the cellc stuff is corrupt so it cant install on windows
[14:03] <Kilos> and its read only, so i thought removing it then updating the firmware will fix it
[14:06] <Kilos> he needs to use his modem on win and kde
[14:06] <Trixar_za> Hmmm - my bad - seems it's a debian thing
[14:06] <Trixar_za> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libusb.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
[14:06] <Kilos> say sorry ubuntu
[14:07] <Trixar_za> No - if Ubuntu doesn't fix it, it's their fault too :P
[14:09] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <Kilos> they dont seem overly worried about mobile connecting
[14:09] <Kilos> always gotta be bug fixes
[14:10] <Kilos> since 10.10
[14:10] <Kilos> must changed dev peeps
[14:10] <Kilos> i got a lekker command to make nm auto connect
[14:11] <Kilos> sudo gedit /etc/rc.local
[14:11] <Kilos> Now add this line above exit 0
[14:11] <Kilos> (while :; do nmcli -t nm wwan on; sleep 1; done)&
[14:12] <Golynx> someone at ##ubuntu almost rip my head off when i opened a gui app with sudo instead of gksudu lol
[14:15] <Golynx> so if i switch to windows i will have to download the drivers for Audio, chipset, graphics, keyboard, mouse and input devices, modem, network, storage, bios, diagnostic tools etc... lol
[14:17] <Private_User> I am back with no luck although I did get a bit further than before
[14:18] <Private_User> it now shows me an option to enable mobile broadband but when I click enable it connects to GSM and no network connectivity
[14:19] <Private_User> I am still not sure where to select connect to my Nokia USB internet stick
[14:21] <Golynx> goodness i just counted all the required software i will need and it totals 942 MB :O
[14:21] <Golynx> Private_User: how old is the phone
[14:22] <Kilos> the modem should have its own install software on it
[14:23] <Private_User> and now my internet is a issue again
[14:23] <Kilos> Private_User, try right click it and then chhose vpn connections
[14:23] <Private_User> its a USB 3G data card  or modem thingie what ever you call those USB sticks
[14:23] <Private_User> yeah but nothing is poping up automatically
[14:23] <Private_User> man just ping my self 105second reply
[14:24] <Kilos> you gotta tell it to ude internet and sometimes gotta put in the *99#
[14:24] <Kilos> s/ude/use
[14:24] <Kilos> i dont know lubuntu at all i think
[14:25] <Kilos> Trixar_za, you on lubuntu?
[14:26] <Trixar_za> An Lubuntu derivative
[14:27] <Golynx> Private_User: oh
[14:27] <Kilos> he cant get lubuntu to sork with his cellphone
[14:27] <Trixar_za> Peppermint to be exact - it uses Lubuntu parts, but also XFCE4's windows manager
[14:27] <Golynx> do you only have Lubuntu
[14:27] <Trixar_za> No, because the latest Lubuntu kind of sucks
[14:27] <Kilos> mine sees cells first time but struggles with some modems
[14:28] <Trixar_za> I have to say that NetworkManager pisses me off sometimes
[14:28] <Kilos> yeah its gone backwards since 10.10
[14:29] <Golynx> i usually have to restart network-manager sometimes after boot , but its working good
[14:31] <Kilos> since unity came in nm has struggled
[14:32] <Kilos> but mind you 14.04 only struggles to see the dlink the zte and e220 just work
[14:33] <Golynx> Private_User: what does command   usb-devices    say
[14:33] <Kilos> whew thats a long one
[14:33] <Kilos> lsusb is easier methinks
[14:34] <Golynx> if it only says mass storage then it has to be switched
[14:34] <Golynx> Kilos ya it is
[14:36] <Golynx> Private_User: i think the answer is here , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1666505
[14:38] <Golynx> its got alot of tweaking there but not sure if ubuntu 10.10 will apply . 
[14:39] <Kilos> maybe usb-modeswitch isnt installed
[14:39] <Private_User> I have tried that Golynx that is why I am not sure what else I need to do cause I suspect that it had something to do with that as well since it picks up the memory card inside the modem
[14:39] <Kilos> modem or fone?
[14:39] <Kilos> im lost now
[14:40] <Private_User> modem Nokia CS-19 USB Internet Stick
[14:40] <Kilos> oh not a fone
[14:40] <Kilos> ok
[14:40] <Golynx> Private_User: is there a file /etc/usb_modeswitch.d
[14:40] <Kilos> check if you have usb-modeswitch installed
[14:40] <Private_User> yes
[14:41] <Private_User> it was empty so I created the file the thread speaks about
[14:41] <Kilos> does lubuntu have synaptic installed
[14:41] <Golynx> the rules for Nokia CS-19 USB in there too
[14:42] <Golynx> ok
[14:43] <Kilos> has anyone tried connman
[14:44] <Kilos> ive been bang because it wants to remove nm
[14:44] <Private_User> hopefully I did it correctly though
[14:44] <Kilos> sorry Private_User did lsusb show it there
[14:45] <Private_User> did not try that
[14:45] <Kilos> try
[14:45] <Kilos> it normally sees all usb stuffs
[14:45] <Private_User> will have to try it but after disconnecting from here
[14:46] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:46] <Private_User> but the usb-devices thingie picks up nokia datacard
[14:46] <Kilos> ya thats not seeing the modem 
[14:46] <Kilos> lsusb should
[14:47] <Kilos> Trixar_za, help
[14:47] <Kilos> link to your new sakis please
[14:47] <Golynx> there is a bug of it on launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-modeswitch-data/+bug/956783
[14:48] <Golynx> seems to be more compatible with windows. But also has to be correct kinda info put into /etc/usb_modeswitch.d
[14:51] <Trixar_za> http://trixarian.net/sakis3g.gz for the new one and http://trixarian.net/sakis3g-old.gz for the pre-libusb-1.x version
[14:51] <Kilos> ty 
[14:52] <Trixar_za> It may say old, but it's never than the one I used to have
[14:52] <Kilos> Private_User, get these 2 tools
[14:52] <Kilos> and copy paste the how to do it
[14:52] <Kilos> when nothing else sees the modem sakis does
[15:01] <Kilos> oh my gone again
[15:06] <Kilos> horrible when you install a new os and cant get it to connect
[15:11] <Kilos> inetpro, se ja man
[15:11] <inetpro> nee
[15:11] <inetpro> hoekom?
[15:12] <Kilos> lol
[15:12] <Kilos> sommer
[15:18] <Golynx> a 60TB hard drive, wow 
[15:18] <Kilos> whew
[15:18] <Golynx> http://www.computerworld.com/slideshow/detail/145923/The-road-to-the-60TB-hard-drive?source=cwfb
[15:18] <Golynx> Moores law cant seem to stop lol
[15:20] <Trixar_za> https://github.com/Trixarian/sakis3g-source/tree/pre-libusb-1.x
[15:20] <Trixar_za> Made a branch for the older code
[15:21] <Kilos> cool ty Trixar_za 
[15:25] <Kilos> Trixar_za, that line , compile embedded modeswitch, does it do its own work or do you use that to compile
[15:26] <Trixar_za> In sakis3g? It just recompiles the internal source code using your system's compiler and libraries
[15:26] <Kilos> oh so it fixes your systems modeswitch
[15:27] <Kilos> nothing on the modem itself
[15:40] <Trixar_za> Nope - and it only fixes it's own usb_modeswitch - not the system's one :P
[15:40] <Kilos> ah
[15:53] <Kilos> aquarat, you quiet hey
[15:55] <Kilos> Trixar_za, have you added sudo ln -s /usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h /usr/include/libusb.h
[15:55] <Kilos> in your sakis
[16:12] <Trixar_za> I did the copy one - but it's the same.
[16:13] <Kilos> aw
[16:13] <Trixar_za> The pre-libusb-1.x (or sakis3g-old.gz file off my site) doesn't need it though
[16:13] <Kilos> ok
[16:24] <Kilos> hey you clever guys i just go a mail with this info on blocking the heartbleed bug
[16:24] <Kilos> https://f5.com/solutions/mitigation/mitigating-openssl-heartbleed?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRolu6jBd%2B%2FhmjTEU5z14%2B8pW6WxgYkz2EFye%2BLIHETpodcMT8NgMb%2FYDBceEJhqyQJxPr3DKdMNydh%2BRhbqCw%3D%3D
[16:27] <Trixar_za> Just update openssl
[16:27] <Trixar_za> Seriously, people are making it a much bigger thing than it really is
[16:30] <Kilos> update it how Trixar_za 
[16:30] <Kilos> isnt 14.04 openssl the latest
[16:30] <Golynx> openssl is so widely used its really stupid to not update it 
[16:32] <Trixar_za> It should be an security update with Ubuntu
[16:32] <Trixar_za> Will probably be backported for LTS versions too
[16:33] <Kilos> i see there is openssl-blacklist and openssl-blacklist-extra that one can install
[16:33] <Kilos> is it necessary?
[16:33] <Trixar_za> Not unless you plan to block connections
[16:34] <Kilos> doesnt a firewall block all incoming anyway?
[16:41] <kbmonkey> good evening fine people of the irc
[16:41] <Kilos> hi there kbmonkey 
[17:05] <Private_User> ok back
[17:05] <Private_User> now I think I am getting closer
[17:07] <Private_User> I can now create a mobile broadband connection and I see Nokia Datacard as a device to select from which I will connect
[17:07] <Private_User> however
[17:07] <Private_User> it does not connect
[17:07] <Private_User> ideas?
[17:16] <superfly> what's the log?
[17:16] <kbmonkey> ah darn missed them
[17:18] <kbmonkey> wb Private_User 
[17:19] <Private_User> damn connectivity issues again... grrr...
[17:19] <Private_User> thanks kbmonkey
[17:19] <kbmonkey> after try connect check if 'dmesg | tail' gives any hints to errors
[18:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:09] <inetpro> good night kil[tab]
[19:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:09] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:20] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:21] <inetpro> hi superfly, you better now?
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: mostly
[19:22] <inetpro> ahh, that sounds positive at least
[19:22] <inetpro> back at work yet?
[19:25] <inetpro> superfly: I see you upgraded to 14.04. Anything interesting?
[19:25] <superfly> new versions of software :-D
[19:25] <superfly> yeah, back at work, was only off for 3 days
[19:26] <inetpro> lol
[19:26] <inetpro> ok
[19:28]  * inetpro has not been following much of the development process for a while now
[19:29] <superfly> me neither, really
[19:29] <superfly> new versions of KDevelop, etc
[19:29] <inetpro> cool
[19:30] <inetpro> at least development is still happening
[20:02] <inetpro> we had a very nice presentation and baseline proposal for RHEV this week
[20:03] <inetpro> was done by Sven Lesicnik from LSD
[20:04] <inetpro> these guys run massive RHEV infrastructure all over the show
[20:05] <superfly> yeah, the LSD guys seem quite switched on
[20:06] <inetpro> looks very interesting... not yet sure whether we'll go that route though
[20:07] <inetpro> KVM looks very powerful indeed
[20:08] <inetpro> anyone here recommend anything other than KVM for VM?
[20:13] <superfly> inetpro: Xen
[20:13] <superfly> The plus side of xen is that it doesn't use disk images, so resizing a "disk" is really easy
[20:13] <inetpro> I must be honest I haven't played with Xen at all
[20:14] <superfly> I haven't much either, but I know Linode uses Xen
[20:14] <superfly> I was able to resize my disk on Xen without losing any data
[20:15] <inetpro> you can't do that with KVM?
[20:16] <inetpro> wish I had time to setup a lab and play with all the different options
[20:17] <inetpro> just wish more people would see the light and realise that there are so many powerful tools out there to play with for free
[20:20] <inetpro> can't believe that I have been somewhat against the idea of running a full VM environment for such a long time
[20:32] <superfly> inetpro: No, KVM has disk files, Xen just uses a directory on your hard drive (if my information is correct)
[20:32] <superfly> I think you have to create an entire new disk with KVM if you want a bigger disk
[20:32] <superfly> I stand under correction though
[20:35] <inetpro> superfly: looks like it is possible
[20:35] <inetpro> How to resize virtual machine disk? http://askubuntu.com/questions/107228/how-to-resize-virtual-machine-disk