[06:48] hi superfly ThatGraemeGuy jabberwocky93 Spekko [06:49] hi Kilos [06:49] morning kbmonkey [06:49] hi kbmonkey [06:50] and Kilos [06:50] hello superfly [06:50] so my phone dropped and cracked, my insurance covers me for a new phone - now I am deciding [06:51] wow the fone just dropped? [06:51] off the table [06:51] no, out of my hand trying to juggle too many things getting in the car :p [06:51] lol [06:52] what fone kbmonkey ? [06:52] i see they even advertising the samsung s5 already [06:53] I have not decided yet kilos [06:53] no man the one that dropped? [06:53] Morning Kilos [06:53] I dont want to go top of the line [06:53] cos then Id have to pay in extra [06:53] ah [06:53] it was the galaxy ace - android phone [06:54] morning [06:54] kbmonkey: what's your budget for the new phone? [06:54] hi hi Spekko and ThatGraemeGuy [06:54] I think I am covered up to 2500 [06:54] morning kbmonkey [06:55] anyting extra Ill have to pay + the excess [06:55] how much is the excess and how much extra are you willing to add? [06:56] the excess is minimum 300 and they say it varies depending the phone I choose [06:57] I am hoping to get something without paying extra on top of that :p [06:57] you can get an s3 mini in that price range [06:58] ThatGraemeGuy, I was thinking exactly the same :) [06:58] oh crap, I got to go - need to do regression testing for a release... [06:58] i've been due for upgrade since 1 feb but i've decided i'm just going to let my contract run out and go prepaid [06:59] ya, I want to get a phone and end my contract too - [06:59] nothing wrong with my phone and there's not enough "wow" in newer phones to convince me to keep spending R300+ [06:59] been on it for almost a decade and prepaid is the way to go [06:59] totally, I just need functional - my pc is where the action is ;) [06:59] none of the contracts cater to my usage pattern, heavy on data, extremely light on voice calls [07:00] so i just waste money on contract airtime i don't use [07:00] I'll research it more later - time to try and use my brain o.O [07:01] haha my fone only works when i want to complain to my isp [07:03] looks like ubuntu 14.04 is behind on the release candidate [07:03] * jabberwocky93 wants to install 14.04 asap [07:04] i have it running jabberwocky93 [07:04] bit better than 12.04 [07:05] the problem being that I want to avoid too much updates [07:06] ai! then let it settle down first [07:06] the translation packages are usually the last update I wait for before I install [07:06] sometimes updates come twice a day [07:07] die rooimiere byt! [07:08] hehe [07:08] oh snap, I don't have my flash drive with me [07:08] * jabberwocky93 will have to wait [07:12] hi charl_ [07:12] good morning [07:12] Maaz: coffee on [07:12] * Maaz washes some mugs [07:12] Maaz coffee please [07:12] Kilos: Righto [07:13] hi Kilos [07:13] how's it going with the flu [07:13] is it gone yet? [07:13] seems a bit better ty [07:13] still coughing and nose runs [07:16] Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos! [07:16] Maaz ty [07:16] You are welcome Kilos [07:24] Maaz: thank you [07:24] charl_: Sure [07:24] hi Golynx [07:25] hi Golynx [07:25] Kilos: that sucks :( for how long have you been sick now? [07:25] 2 weeks about [07:25] hi Kilos [07:25] hi charl_ [07:25] Kilos: whow ok, look after yourself man ! [07:25] worst flu i ever seen. normally i miss getting it [07:25] Golynx: how's it going with you today ? better ? [07:25] Kilos: same here [07:25] swaar and sis had it for a month now [07:26] bah ! [07:27] charl_ i'm a quick healer , its amazing i can move my neck again to the right . Still some sharp pain and stiffness left though [07:27] Kilos whats wrong [07:27] oh flu , i didnt see it [07:27] only flu still but it seems to be weakening Golynx [07:28] Golynx: ok be careful [07:29] thats good kilos, we can beat these things :) [07:29] will do charl_ [07:29] yeah [07:30] :) [07:30] ok i'm off again ttyl [07:30] ok [07:51] * Squirm wanders in [07:52] hi Squirm [07:54] I suppose all of you that need to know already know about heartbleed? [07:55] it has been a few days now [07:55] yeah [07:55] https://xkcd.com/1354/ [07:56] brilliant [07:58] good day all [07:58] hi magespawn [07:58] hi magespawn [07:59] hey magespawn [08:00] anybody have recommendations for a password manager? [08:00] I just use the standard one that comes with Mint for my passwords [08:01] and Chrome for my websites [08:01] s/website/website passwords [08:01] magespawn: currently i use keepass2 [08:01] the joys of Chrome syncronisation :D [08:01] Squirm: how secure is that? [08:02] magespawn: i have been looking at moving to this: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ [08:02] i was just reading up on this http://www.pcworld.com/article/2142104/lastpass-now-scans-for-heartbleed-affected-accounts.html [08:02] i am not sure if there is a standard one with lubuntu [08:02] charl_: no idea how secure it is [08:03] the only password I don't want people to get is my banking password, that isn't stored [08:03] * Squirm shrugs [08:04] Google has m life stored on its servers, so if something happens, I'm screwed anyway :P [08:04] lol [08:04] i don't have a banking password, i have a digipass [08:04] two-factor authentication :) [08:05] lo [08:05] lol [08:05] Google has apparently already patched their servers and I have the authenticator on my phone [08:06] with FNB, to pay anyone not on your saved accounts, you need a One Time Pin anyway [08:06] so they'll be able to see how much I owe people [08:06] but that's about it :P [08:09] looks like keepass and lastpass are the most popular according to this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/best-linux-password-manager.html [08:13] for me it's about which one is most secure [08:13] afaik lastpass is not open source [08:14] while keepass is gpl licensed [08:14] i see there is a release of python tools for visual studio [08:16] so lets give keepass a try then [08:17] microsoft has been busy with iron python for a long time [08:21] things getting worse daily [08:21] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/100368-new-online-banking-fraud-scheme-in-south-africa.html [08:41] shocking [08:41] it's almost like unauthorised domain transfers [08:41] between registrars [08:42] and no one accepts the blame [08:42] online banking is rather risky in the new world [08:43] but cellphones are very insecure - i don't even have one [08:43] they are also a major privacy risk [08:43] two-factor authentication using sms is a horrible idea [08:43] digipass is a great system [08:46] whow even juniper and cisco have been affected by the heartbleed problem [10:24] hmm... [10:29] you seem more stable today magespawn [10:37] yes kilos, different location [10:37] aha [10:37] back up at bonamanzi for the weekend [10:37] ai! [10:38] so its in empangeni its bad [10:38] yes the link there is rather a long one, but there might be a chance of getting adsl to the property [10:39] good [10:39] wifi link? [10:40] wireless yes, but not direct line of sight so there is another station in between on top of a hill [10:40] if they see each other it shouldnt drop then [10:44] indeed but it does, so there are a lot of factors to check to narrow down the problem [10:45] yeah [10:45] lets hope you get the adsl then [10:46] not good for the head to think too much [10:46] hi magespawn [10:46] hi Golynx [10:49] charl_, do you use the ubuntu package or do you run it from wine? keepass that is. [10:49] my wifi didn't work so i went to ubuntu channel and found out the bluetooth switched turned it on and off lol [10:50] magespawn: ubuntu package keepass2 [10:50] runs on mono [10:50] Golynx, yes with a laptop i have found they have one switch that does both [10:51] ty charl_ [10:51] magespawn: yeah mine is the same. [10:52] but mine was locked and had to do sudo rfkill unblock all , to get it to finally work correct [10:53] wow you learning fancy things hey Golynx [10:54] Kilos lol [10:55] i just do what the experts say and put it in a commands list file :) [10:55] save also* [10:56] ya me too [10:56] got commands saved all over [10:57] battle to find the one i need often though [10:59] I usually write 1 or 2 sentences explaining what the command does. I wana make a small command search app so i just type in what i wana do and it gives me a list of suitable commands to use. [11:03] aha [11:18] bbl got to go do an install [12:10] hi nlsthzn your team let us down again [12:11] yup :( [12:51] good day people [12:54] hmm... mighty quite in here [12:54] Private_User: hey [12:55] hey Golynx [12:55] they all said TGIF :) [12:56] yeah TGIF :D [12:57] but these days for me no difference between TGIF and the rest of the week [12:57] :/ [12:57] hi Private_User [12:57] hey Kilos [12:57] ok let me ask my question, it maybe stupid but I still am an ubuntu newbie [12:58] dont nag just ask [12:58] hehe [12:58] I am trying to use my Nokia CS-19 Internet Stick with Lubuntu [12:58] how do I access it? [12:58] as a modem? [12:58] I see it when I do usb-devices [12:58] yeah as a modem I wanna use it as a modem [12:59] in the network manager applet thing it should off the choice of add a new mobile device [13:00] when you plug it in dont you get a popup [13:00] I was looking could not find it [13:00] nope no pop up [13:00] actually a pop up for the memory card [13:00] but not for the modem [13:01] its a tiny upside down triangle or just an upright kinda tower [13:01] normally in one of the panels [13:02] sorry I need to start the machine up again tried a few things from the internet earlier [13:02] ok [13:03] is network-manager installed as default in lubuntu [13:03] yes must be [13:03] so while we wait, hows it going? [13:03] in all buntus [13:04] oh ok [13:04] fine and you Private_User [13:04] someone here is using lubuntu but i dunno who [13:05] does it have a taskbar [13:05] yep [13:06] and no nm icon in it? [13:06] Private_User: you can also try sudo service network-manager restart . If nothing is happening [13:06] there is but there was nothing there earlier [13:07] but let me try again and see if I get something gonna have to disconnect from here though [13:07] brb [13:07] if there isnt one maybe right clicking on the taskbar and going panel settings will give the option to add a nm-applet or icon [13:07] oh there is? [13:08] in 2007 i tried connecting my phone to pc. I needed specific software though for the phone to talk to the pc. [13:09] but nowadays most network link software are already installed on the phone [13:10] ubuntu sees cellphones quicker than it sees modems [13:10] you dont normally need to install anything [13:10] back then you had to buy a CD that had the software on lol [13:11] yeah, its easier today [13:12] oh windows always wants to install something first [13:12] then reboot [13:13] ubuntu should just see it [13:13] haha ya ,that was win Xp [13:13] i have the same with 7.modem first gotta install stuff [13:15] then it first asks do you want to allow untrusted stuff to install [13:16] lol [13:16] whew he is taking a while [13:16] windows likes frustrating people , then after a year fixing the issue. The same with win 8 [13:17] haha after a year of playing games on 95 98 xp and fdisk and format monthly i came to ubuntu [13:19] now if it doesnt work on ubuntu its not worth having [13:21] ya true [13:22] except for modem tools that are best in xp [13:22] Golynx, have you installed modem-manager-gui [13:23] it shows lots about your modem [13:23] even smses [13:24] its already installed i see, but dunno how to access it [13:25] Through NetworkManager [13:25] ya [13:25] just run it in terminal [13:26] modem-manager[8205]: ModemManager (version 0.5.2.0) starting... [13:26] modem-manager[8205]: Could not acquire the org.freedesktop.ModemManager service. [13:26] Message: 'Connection ":1.80" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.ModemManager" due to security policies in the configuration file' [13:26] Trixar_za, hi, you on lubuntu hey? [13:27] try it with sudo Golynx [13:28] modem-manager[8247]: Could not acquire the org.freedesktop.ModemManager service as it is already taken. Return: 3 [13:28] oh my [13:28] in unity it comes up in dash and just works [13:31] what is its name other than modem-manager [13:31] modem-manager-gui [13:32] command not found [13:32] should popup a little window [13:33] you sure its installed? [13:33] sudo aptitude reinstall modem-manager-gui [13:33] yeah, all green in synaptic [13:34] Maaz, how to run modem-manager-gui in xubuntu [13:34] Kilos: Huh? [13:34] ai! [13:34] Maaz, google how to run modem-manager-gui in xubuntu [13:34] Kilos: "Step-by-Step Guide for Configuring USB Modem on Ubuntu" http://telecomtalk.info/step-by-step-guide-configuring-usb-modem-ubuntu/101849/ :: "Xubuntu Linux Documentation - About.com" http://linux.about.com/od/xubuntu_doc/ :: "ModemManager for Linux Free Download" http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/ModemManager-53897.shtml :: "'network-manager' [13:34] Answers By New Users - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/tags/network-manager/new :: "AppDevelope… [13:35] ai! [13:35] must be in the other 500 links [13:35] can you view files on the modem with this app [13:36] what files? [13:36] there is a small drive on the modem i used to opened it on windows [13:37] the storage partition [13:37] on gparted too was listed as a pertition, but linux not picking it up [13:37] or does yours also have the new cdrom stuff [13:37] partition* [13:39] i dunno, i saved some stuff on there when i was on windows. I guess its used to store the drivers for the modem and stuff [13:39] devices sms ussd info scan traffic contacts [13:39] thats what it can do [13:40] 2GB total , but was less than a Meg in there when i first opened the drive [13:41] hmm, i cant use the sms or ussd though [13:42] is it running? [13:43] i am using the modem all day on Cell-c Default (Cell C EDGE) connection [13:44] ai! thats so slow [13:44] is cellc only edge there? [13:44] one step up from gprs [13:44] ya lol [13:44] fone them and complain [13:45] tell them you want 3g [13:45] pretty please [13:45] if i plug in vodacom now it will give me full broadband 3G , but they too expensive [13:45] old private fella battling looks like [13:46] haha, imaging how long that line of complaints are already at Cellc [13:46] fone them they can maybe just switch it from there [13:46] 3G modems can be a pain though. Especially if you have to fight with NetworkManager and modem-manager [13:47] you right Trixar_za very painful [13:47] but without a choice what can you do [13:47] You never told me if the older build of sakis3g worked or not [13:47] :P [13:47] oh btw sakis now sees and connects my dlink [13:48] So the older code works on systems before the libusb-1.x switch [13:48] but cant do the modeswitch config [13:48] atleast i never get disconnected :) [13:48] nope the old one didnt work at all [13:48] Then it's probably not sakis3g [13:49] the new one wants that libusb.h to configure it [13:49] but it switches it and connects [13:49] What do you mean? [13:49] you gotta use interface 2 for some reason [13:49] only switch modem works [13:50] in the more options [13:50] No, I meant why does it need libusb.h? [13:50] lemme look what the other things are called [13:50] The old one doesn't use libusb.h - at all [13:51] it uses usb.h [13:51] compile embedded usb modeswitch [13:51] just upgraded to ubuntu 14.04 [13:51] looking very good for a beta 2 [13:51] that wants the libusb.h [13:52] im on 14.04 here now charl_ [13:52] unity [13:52] Do you mean you're recompiling yourself? [13:52] no i clicked on it [13:53] also the only setup modem wants libusb.h [13:53] but only prepare modem works and gives the tty position [13:53] https://github.com/Trixarian/sakis3g-source/blob/master/README.md [13:54] And that only applies with the one using the latest source code [13:54] thats what i have installed on 14.04 now [13:54] Kilos: am using i3 but it is looking very good [13:55] also managed to get vmware workstation to run except i needed to patch it first [13:55] I do see the flaw in preparation method though - damn ubuntu [13:55] it doesn't run out of the box with the new kernel 3.13 yet [13:56] ubuntu keeps you making sakis better Trixar_za [13:56] unity runs lekker ChanServ [13:56] better than 12.04 [13:56] No, they keep making it worse [13:56] Why move it to it's own folder? [13:56] ONLY Ubuntu does that [13:56] So it's THEIR mess [13:57] But whatever. Try sudo ln -s /usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h /usr/include/libusb.h [13:57] and I bet you it will work now [13:57] permanently? [13:57] Yes [13:57] or run command every time [13:57] cool [13:58] Although I'm sure http://trixarian.net/sakis3g-old.gz should work without problems [13:58] Since even Ubuntu doesn't move usb.h [13:59] have a good evening all [13:59] i couldnt get it to run here [13:59] most likely me doing something wrong [14:00] did you look at that u3 tool Trixar_za [14:00] im scared to use it and then the whole cdrom part is deleed [14:01] No, I just left mine on there - it will still be a cdrom - just empty if you overwrite it [14:03] yes i have ians old zte mf190 here that the cellc stuff is corrupt so it cant install on windows [14:03] and its read only, so i thought removing it then updating the firmware will fix it [14:06] he needs to use his modem on win and kde [14:06] Hmmm - my bad - seems it's a debian thing [14:06] https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libusb.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any [14:06] say sorry ubuntu [14:07] No - if Ubuntu doesn't fix it, it's their fault too :P [14:09] lol [14:09] they dont seem overly worried about mobile connecting [14:09] always gotta be bug fixes [14:10] since 10.10 [14:10] must changed dev peeps [14:10] i got a lekker command to make nm auto connect [14:11] sudo gedit /etc/rc.local [14:11] Now add this line above exit 0 [14:11] (while :; do nmcli -t nm wwan on; sleep 1; done)& [14:12] someone at ##ubuntu almost rip my head off when i opened a gui app with sudo instead of gksudu lol [14:15] so if i switch to windows i will have to download the drivers for Audio, chipset, graphics, keyboard, mouse and input devices, modem, network, storage, bios, diagnostic tools etc... lol [14:17] I am back with no luck although I did get a bit further than before [14:18] it now shows me an option to enable mobile broadband but when I click enable it connects to GSM and no network connectivity [14:19] I am still not sure where to select connect to my Nokia USB internet stick [14:21] goodness i just counted all the required software i will need and it totals 942 MB :O [14:21] Private_User: how old is the phone [14:22] the modem should have its own install software on it [14:23] and now my internet is a issue again [14:23] Private_User, try right click it and then chhose vpn connections [14:23] its a USB 3G data card or modem thingie what ever you call those USB sticks [14:23] yeah but nothing is poping up automatically [14:23] man just ping my self 105second reply [14:24] you gotta tell it to ude internet and sometimes gotta put in the *99# [14:24] s/ude/use [14:24] i dont know lubuntu at all i think [14:25] Trixar_za, you on lubuntu? [14:26] An Lubuntu derivative [14:27] Private_User: oh [14:27] he cant get lubuntu to sork with his cellphone [14:27] Peppermint to be exact - it uses Lubuntu parts, but also XFCE4's windows manager [14:27] do you only have Lubuntu [14:27] No, because the latest Lubuntu kind of sucks [14:27] mine sees cells first time but struggles with some modems [14:28] I have to say that NetworkManager pisses me off sometimes [14:28] yeah its gone backwards since 10.10 [14:29]