| bluesabre | Noskcaj: looks good to me | 02:05 |
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| bluesabre | you have upload rights to parole, right? | 02:05 |
| jhenke | good morning folks | 07:28 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, so yeah... | 09:32 |
| knome | maybe we should make it a generic note | 09:32 |
| knome | saying disabling the compositor can help with performance a lot, including virtualized environments | 09:32 |
| knome | Unit193, are we even shipping it? :P | 09:33 |
| Unit193 | Nope, that's why I wasn't talking in here. :P | 09:33 |
| knome | it's fine here | 09:33 |
| Unit193 | Used to be(?) an Xfce project, seems Xfce contributors still work on it at least. | 09:34 |
| knome | mmh, well then i'm not as enthusiastic about it (didn't come to think that the last time), but would still be nice | 09:34 |
| slickymasterWork | just a second please | 09:34 |
| knome | we should use some time to really dig into the seed for 14.10 | 09:34 |
| knome | brb, booting desktop | 09:37 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, I completely forgot i had that power. I'll check with the release team, then upload | 09:54 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj, fantastic. :-) | 09:54 |
| slickymasterWork | sorry guys, but the DHCP started to act crazy and revoking the IP leases to the machines over here | 10:03 |
| Noskcaj | new parole uploaded | 10:19 |
| brainwash | c'mon, lets fix the remaining -bugs :) | 11:09 |
| slickymasterWork | brainwash: in the process of clean install of 12.04 -> 14.04 | 11:10 |
| brainwash | that's great | 11:10 |
| slickymasterWork | besides bug 1304128 do you want me to check anything else? | 11:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 11:10 |
| brainwash | the usual checks I guess | 11:10 |
| brainwash | if everything is working fine | 11:11 |
| brainwash | with the old panel layout especially | 11:11 |
| slickymasterWork | ok, after this I'll go 13.10 -> 14.04 | 11:11 |
| brainwash | thanks | 11:13 |
| slickymasterWork | np | 11:14 |
| starrats | just curious is the 'sound/volume app' for your speakers/headsets that sits on the top next to the clock and other icons getting fixed? | 11:18 |
| brainwash | what's broken about it? | 11:20 |
| brainwash | it should not be missing since yesterday, if you mean this | 11:20 |
| starrats | should I be able to find it on the Panel to add it on? | 11:26 |
| brainwash | you one need to add the indicator plugin to your panel | 11:32 |
| brainwash | in case it's missing | 11:33 |
| brainwash | and make sure that your system is up-to-date | 11:34 |
| starrats | my system is always up to date every day I do update/upgrade and thank you for that info, will add it on now it was missing. | 11:35 |
| starrats | well the 'indicator plugin' was there but I mean the little icon for volume control is not there, you know going from 'mute' to full blast' icon is still missing | 11:38 |
| bluesabre | after you updated, did you logout/restart? | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: thanks! | 11:43 |
| starrats | yes I did bluesabre | 11:46 |
| starrats | I had to go to pulseaudio on multimedia to get a louder volume on my headset | 11:47 |
| starrats | but the icon would be nice to have again | 11:47 |
| bluesabre | hm | 11:49 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, bbl | 11:49 |
| starrats | thought there was a bug report filed on this missing icon from the panel? That's why i hadn't filed one, someone else beat me to it. | 12:00 |
| brainwash | yes, and it should be fixed | 12:02 |
| brainwash | bug 1302571 | 12:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1302571 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Panel 0 xfce4-indicator-plugin misbehavior in Trusty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302571 | 12:02 |
| brainwash | so, please create a new user account to confirm that it does not on your system | 12:03 |
| brainwash | and make sure that "indicator-sound" is still installed | 12:03 |
| elfy | booting todays daily - will check | 12:04 |
| elfy | sound indicator present | 12:04 |
| elfy | so is ibus :| | 12:05 |
| starrats | okay will look and update today's updates/upgrades | 12:05 |
| elfy | starrats: it doesn't matter if you update - if you've done something that stops the indicators showing :) | 12:05 |
| elfy | knome: ibus is still present in todays daily | 12:06 |
| starrats | I have done nothing to lose that indicator sound icon, it's not in the panel/items to add screen | 12:07 |
| elfy | it won't be - it's part of indicator-plugin | 12:07 |
| elfy | check it's not deactivated in settings - session - autostart | 12:08 |
| knome | mr :P | 12:11 |
| elfy | who's mr :P? is he like Mr T ? | 12:12 |
| knome | ... | 12:12 |
| elfy | so there is a mr for it - just not actioned? | 12:13 |
| knome | lol | 12:13 |
| knome | no | 12:13 |
| knome | sorry for being ambiguous | 12:13 |
| knome | bluesabre, ochosi: did you take action to get the ibus dropping in the seed uploaded? | 12:13 |
| knome | elfy, FTR, both sean and simon have access to our branches now | 12:14 |
| knome | so we barely need merge requests for those | 12:14 |
| knome | now the only thing we need to care about is uploading | 12:14 |
| elfy | ok cool - I thought I saw micah say that | 12:14 |
| knome | yep, not sure if it has come up already | 12:14 |
| elfy | saw it in -ot | 12:14 |
| elfy | just so long as it's done before Thursday or I'll be -1 to releasing with it ;) | 12:15 |
| knome | ;) | 12:15 |
| knome | british... | 12:15 |
| * knome shakes head | 12:15 | |
| elfy | lol | 12:15 |
| knome | but yyyyeah, we should take care of it | 12:16 |
| starrats | thanks elfy, brainwash and others, I had to check the indicator sound like elfy said and restarted the comp, all is good now, i learn something new everyday from one of you, :) | 12:18 |
| elfy | knome: saw that - thanks :) | 12:21 |
| knome | np.. | 12:21 |
| knome | micahg, around? | 12:27 |
| knome | oh shoo. :) | 12:27 |
| elfy | saw that - lovely :| | 12:28 |
| elfy | back later | 12:28 |
| elfy | never saw the manifest or germinate-output before | 12:29 |
| knome | i think it's one of those things that i can look at, but won't understand enough to come up with anything sane | 12:32 |
| knome | tip: only run in a directory that do not have files you don't want to get lost | 12:34 |
| ochosi | knome: ibus should be dropped already | 12:36 |
| ochosi | at least it is gone from the seed | 12:36 |
| knome | ochosi, it gets pulled in by unity-control-center | 12:36 |
| knome | ochosi, which is pulled in by gnome-bluetooth | 12:36 |
| ochosi | great | 12:36 |
| ochosi | i thought we shipped blueman? | 12:36 |
| knome | the alternative to unity-control-center is gnome-control-center | 12:36 |
| ochosi | that's both terrible | 12:37 |
| knome | yeah.. | 12:37 |
| ochosi | why can't they make the alternative xfce4-settings-manager? :) | 12:37 |
| knome | hey, we probably could | 12:37 |
| jhenke | just did a fresh install of the RC, it seems there are now two clocks in the panel | 12:37 |
| jhenke | I also noticed a whole bunch of unity control settings and deamons pulled in | 12:37 |
| knome | ochosi, but would it have bluetooth configuration stuff without those other -control-center packages? | 12:37 |
| ochosi | i'm using gnome-bluetooth currently (or is it bluetooth indicator?) and this is what i get when i go to "bluetooth settings..." in the menu: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-04-11-143817.php | 12:38 |
| knome | so no luck? | 12:39 |
| ochosi | well that's empty, there's no bt settings there | 12:39 |
| ochosi | but frankly, it doesn't seem very needed | 12:39 |
| knome | ah, and that's the gnome-control-center? | 12:39 |
| ochosi | you can switch bt on/off in the indicator | 12:39 |
| ochosi | yeah | 12:39 |
| knome | mmright... | 12:39 |
| ochosi | you can add/remove/configure devices | 12:39 |
| ochosi | you can make your adaptor discoverable | 12:39 |
| ochosi | that's all i need | 12:40 |
| knome | ochosi, please follow -release and HALP! | 12:40 |
| knome | ;) | 12:40 |
| ochosi | so this is that thing i'm using: http://imagebin.org/305049 | 12:41 |
| ochosi | seems comprehensive enough on its own | 12:41 |
| knome | hmm, | 12:41 |
| ochosi | let me check what it actually is... | 12:41 |
| knome | yeah... | 12:41 |
| jhenke | ny the way, why is the whole bluetooth stack installed anyway by default? even if the device does not have any bluetooth | 12:42 |
| knome | jhenke, because it isn't "possible" to check if a user has bluetooth devices or not | 12:42 |
| knome | or even if it was, they should all be connected and recognised during installation | 12:43 |
| ochosi | knome: so i'm using indicator-bluetooth + gnome-bluetooth. and that pulls in all the evil stuff. | 12:43 |
| knome | yep | 12:43 |
| ochosi | knome: problem is: we might need to patch indicator-bluetooth a la indicator-sound/power | 12:43 |
| knome | aha | 12:43 |
| knome | what would that fix? | 12:43 |
| ochosi | in our case: to hide the "bluetooth settings..." menuitem | 12:43 |
| knome | okay | 12:43 |
| jhenke | not pulling in all the gnome/unity stuff? | 12:43 |
| ochosi | jhenke: well that menuitem is the sole reason those -control-centers are pulled in | 12:44 |
| knome | i'm *definitely* not experienced enough here, but it sounds like stupid pulling those in... | 12:44 |
| ochosi | knome: i'll be back in a bit, do you know why we switched away from blueman? | 12:44 |
| jhenke | ochosi I know, I tryied to point out that a patch is needed to *not* pull all that into the installtion | 12:44 |
| knome | i never was completely on top of it, but i think we never switched away from anything | 12:45 |
| knome | at least for trusty: it was discussed, and the outcome was: let's keep what we have | 12:45 |
| jhenke | by the way there was also some other new item in the panel, something related to the input | 12:46 |
| jhenke | that loook much like it also lived in the unity-control-center | 12:47 |
| brainwash | yeah, stop the unity infection! | 13:08 |
| jhenke | I came to xubuntu to get rid of unity... | 13:10 |
| knome | stop the FUD, fix the bugs :) | 13:13 |
| jhenke | if I only knew where to start.... | 13:13 |
| ochosi | knome: so actually we seed blueman | 13:33 |
| knome | aha.. | 13:34 |
| knome | so why is gnome-bluetooth seeded? | 13:34 |
| knome | :) | 13:34 |
| slickymasterWork | brainwash: brainwash, clean install of 12.04 -> 14.04 | 13:36 |
| slickymasterWork | Present -> bug 1274548, bug 1304128, bug 1284914, bug 1261203 | 13:37 |
| ochosi | knome: no clue, i'm not that familiar with the seed stuff | 13:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1274548 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "gst-plugin-scanner crashed with SIGSEGV in __GI___pthread_mutex_lock()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274548 | 13:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 13:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1284914 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop network shares not visible on desktop" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284914 | 13:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1261203 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261203 | 13:37 |
| ochosi | that xfdesktop bug should be marked as wontfix imo | 13:37 |
| slickymasterWork | brainwash: gThumb is still present and the old app-menu is default instead of Whisker | 13:37 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: also, is the xscreensaver thingy really a problem? | 13:38 |
| knome | ochosi, i can mark it, but with what rationale? | 13:38 |
| ochosi | yeah that's also expected, user conf doesn't get overridden and apps don't get removed generally | 13:38 |
| slickymasterWork | not me ochosi, I was checking it as per brainwash's request | 13:38 |
| slickymasterWork | not present bug 1210898, bug 1302571 | 13:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 13:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1302571 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Panel 0 xfce4-indicator-plugin misbehavior in Trusty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302571 | 13:38 |
| ochosi | knome: the thing is that with the current implementation it won't be possible to show network drives in the same way as thunar | 13:38 |
| knome | okay | 13:39 |
| ochosi | knome: the technical reason is gio | 13:39 |
| ochosi | but i don't think we need to explain that | 13:39 |
| brainwash | slickymasterWork: thanks | 13:39 |
| knome | yeah, so the right thing is | 13:39 |
| knome | will need to be fixed upstream | 13:39 |
| brainwash | but it's not won't fix | 13:39 |
| knome | so the bug is wishlist? | 13:39 |
| brainwash | no | 13:39 |
| knome | at least for xubuntu.. | 13:39 |
| slickymasterWork | will start now clean install 13.10 -> 14.04 | 13:39 |
| knome | brainwash, i know it isn't right now, i'm talking about what it should be | 13:40 |
| brainwash | you can enabled to show network shares in the settings dialog of xfdesktop, so it's an incomplete feature | 13:40 |
| slickymasterWork | anyone needs any sort of verification regarding a this scenario clean install of 12.04 -> 14.04? | 13:40 |
| brainwash | just leave it open :) | 13:40 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ do you agree? | 13:40 |
| slickymasterWork | not duable brainwash, I'm getting short of disk space for VM | 13:41 |
| knome | i'm dropping it from the blueprint | 13:41 |
| ochosi | knome: so anyway, wrt the bluetooth issue, i have no clue what's going on there, but the previous plan to patch indicator-bt is obviously bollocks, cause it's not installed/in use :) | 13:41 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, he was replying to me | 13:41 |
| brainwash | slickymasterWork: I meant to leave the bug report open | 13:41 |
| slickymasterWork | lol | 13:41 |
| knome | ochosi, hehe | 13:41 |
| brainwash | :) | 13:41 |
| slickymasterWork | ok whipping it and starting with 13.10 -> 14.04 | 13:42 |
| ochosi | so hopefully one of you can look into why we're pulling unity seemingly and gnome-bluetooth | 13:42 |
| ochosi | i guess it's some nasty depends/recommends chain | 13:42 |
| knome | is bug 1304128 a problem? | 13:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 13:42 |
| knome | shouldn't it be wontfix? | 13:43 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: ^ | 13:43 |
| ochosi | that was what i was asking before | 13:43 |
| slickymasterWork | on the light of your reasoning, yes | 13:43 |
| ochosi | i think it shouldn't be a problem apart from possibly conflicting auto-lock times... | 13:43 |
| knome | or: is there any downsides of having both installed? | 13:43 |
| knome | let's put it another way | 13:44 |
| slickymasterWork | thing is, will users unsderstand it? | 13:44 |
| knome | the bug described isn't really a bug, it's a feature (both are kept) | 13:44 |
| knome | am i right? | 13:44 |
| ochosi | knome: well as i said... | 13:44 |
| knome | there *might* be another bug involved with that, but that's not related to this one | 13:44 |
| brainwash | disk space concerns? | 13:45 |
| brainwash | :D | 13:45 |
| knome | hah | 13:45 |
| slickymasterWork | shouldn't that at least be mentioned in the Release notes, knome? | 13:45 |
| slickymasterWork | I mean bug 130428 | 13:45 |
| ubottu | bug 130428 in pcre3 (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor: symbol lookup error: gnome-system-monitor: undefined symbol: _ZN7pcrecpp2RE4InitEPKcPKNS_10RE_OptionsE" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130428 | 13:45 |
| slickymasterWork | ups, not that one | 13:45 |
| slickymasterWork | bug 1304128 | 13:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 13:46 |
| knome | well i guess ww could mention that "if you are having problems with autolocking times, remove xscreensaver | 13:46 |
| ochosi | yeah, we could mention it | 13:46 |
| ochosi | also in that article about locking | 13:46 |
| knome | mhm | 13:46 |
| slickymasterWork | just as a heads up for users, or we might get into a situation facing several users nagging about it | 13:47 |
| ochosi | anyway, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/xubuntu-meta/trusty/view/head:/desktop-recommends-amd64#L10 | 13:47 |
| ochosi | that's wrt bluetooth ^ | 13:47 |
| ochosi | bbl | 13:47 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, i guess you didn't hit bug 1303736 (dup of bug 1259339) | 13:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "duplicate for #1303736 xfce4 power manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259339 | 13:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "xfce4 power manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259339 | 13:52 |
| slickymasterWork | no knome, but I wouldn't be able to anyway. At work, just desktop, no lappies | 13:54 |
| knome | yep | 13:54 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: is this ok? should the patch be applied or just added to debian/patches? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/xfwm4/fix-untiling | 14:27 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so, do we know why the additional unity stuff is pulled in? | 14:57 |
| brainwash | I mean, do we need further investigation? :) | 14:58 |
| knome | probably good to double-check but it seems it's gnome-bluetooth pulling that in | 14:59 |
| brainwash | looks like network-manager-gnome recommends gnome-bluetooth | 15:05 |
| knome | that is... kind of understandable, but debatable | 15:06 |
| knome | maybe it could suggest it | 15:06 |
| brainwash | maybe recommend it or blueman | 15:06 |
| brainwash | if network-manager-gnome really is the start of the dependency chain | 15:07 |
| cyphermox | moo? | 15:07 |
| brainwash | do you agree? | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | I explicitly don't know without looking | 15:08 |
| brainwash | network-manager-gnome -> gnome-bluetooth -> unity awesomeness | 15:09 |
| jhenke | brainwash I guess you hit the nail | 15:09 |
| jhenke | other problematics are indicaor-keyboard and indicator-datetime | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | don't you pull in gnome-control-center? | 15:11 |
| brainwash | why would we? | 15:11 |
| jhenke | cyphermox we should rather not | 15:11 |
| knome | no, we have xfce4-settings-manager | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | ok | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | well then maybe it should be an extra alternate recommends in gnome-bluetooth? | 15:11 |
| knome | i've suggested that, and it's one option | 15:12 |
| brainwash | but do we need gnome-bluetooth? | 15:12 |
| brainwash | we have blueman | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | given blueman maybe you don't | 15:12 |
| jhenke | is there already a bug open about this? | 15:12 |
| brainwash | so we need to tell network-manager-gnome to recommend gnome-bluetooth or blueman | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | I don't think n-m-gnome pulling in gnome-bluetooth pulling in gnome-control-center is new, though, so I'm a little surprised it's only an issue now :) | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: not sure, it recommends gnome-bluetooth because nm-applet ships a gnome-bluetooth plugin | 15:14 |
| cyphermox | so it probably could be dropped to a Suggest | 15:14 |
| jhenke | I am also surprised when I did a frash isntallation of the RC today and gound all those extra indicators that should not be in xfce | 15:14 |
| brainwash | this might be only the result of the dependency chain | 15:15 |
| brainwash | you did not notice the extra indicators before, because we've changed xfce4-indicator-plugin just yesterday | 15:16 |
| knome | bbiab | 15:16 |
| brainwash | so now it loads all installed indicators | 15:16 |
| jhenke | brainwash okay that explains a lot | 15:17 |
| brainwash | like -datetime which was/is hidden in our settings manager | 15:18 |
| brainwash | or -session | 15:18 |
| jhenke | I do think it is important that we get rid off all those extra indicators, especially as xubuntu is also used on weak platforms (e.g. netbooks) where every mb ram counts | 15:18 |
| brainwash | we only intended to ship 4: -application -messages -power -sound | 15:19 |
| jhenke | great, so we all want the same, question is, how to get those extra ones out of the default install? | 15:20 |
| brainwash | by not letting gnome-bluetooth pull in unity-settings-daemon and all the additional stuff | 15:21 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: where are the seeds for xubuntu? | 15:22 |
| jhenke | do you think the extra idicators also came by that? | 15:22 |
| brainwash | I guess so | 15:22 |
| brainwash | cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.trusty | 15:22 |
| cyphermox | jhenke: yes, unity-control-center pulls in the indicators | 15:22 |
| brainwash | oh, meant unity-control-center :) | 15:23 |
| cyphermox | ok, so I guess I could drop gnome-bluetooth from Recommends to Suggests | 15:26 |
| cyphermox | or if someone from the xubuntu team wants to do the diff, get the credit, and bug the release team themselves to land this in, I will not object at all :) | 15:27 |
| jhenke | I guess the important thing is to get it laned :) | 15:28 |
| jhenke | by the way, I saw ibus got dropped from the seed, but was installed anyway today | 15:30 |
| brainwash | most likely the same reason | 15:30 |
| brainwash | cyphermox: why not add blueman as alternate recommends? | 15:32 |
| jhenke | brainwash okay, just going the things that I noticed | 15:33 |
| brainwash | so we don't break the initial recommend | 15:33 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: I don't think it makes sense, n-m-gnome isn't doing anything with blueman | 15:33 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: ubuntu-desktop pulls in gnome-bluetooth explicitly so that at least wouldn't be broken if the Recommends is demoted | 15:34 |
| brainwash | ah ok | 15:34 |
| jhenke | also one odd thing I noticed, some basic packages got installed, but seem missing in the archive, at least them appear as "local or old" packages in synpatic | 15:35 |
| brainwash | like? | 15:35 |
| jhenke | language-pack-* and libc6 packages | 15:36 |
| brainwash | no clue | 15:36 |
| cyphermox | hmm | 15:36 |
| jhenke | as I said just going through the things I noticed after the install today | 15:37 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: I'm looking at the lubuntu seed and I see they explicitly don't have gnome-bluetooth pulled in, trying to check why | 15:37 |
| brainwash | jhenke: maybe file a bug report, or ask in #ubuntu-devel | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | ah, no-follow-recommends :( | 15:38 |
| jhenke | in the archive there seems to a ubuntu4 but installed got a ubuntu5... | 15:38 |
| brainwash | cyphermox: for every package? | 15:39 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 15:39 |
| brainwash | wow | 15:39 |
| cyphermox | it's a global feature | 15:39 |
| cyphermox | not something unless you want to spend the whole of this week and the next figuring out why your desktop is no longer showing :P | 15:39 |
| brainwash | :D | 15:40 |
| cyphermox | hm, demoting the Recommends would affect mythbuntu and ubuntu-studio though | 15:42 |
| cyphermox | brainwash: is there already a bug for this issue? | 15:42 |
| cyphermox | ideally there should be one, and then we should check with mythbuntu and ubuntu-studio whether they want gnome-bluetooth or if it's just in by accident, and ask them to add it to their seed if it's really wanted | 15:43 |
| knome | yep | 15:44 |
| brainwash | no bug yet I guess | 15:44 |
| knome | shouldn't be too hard to catch studio... | 15:44 |
| knome | zequence! | 15:44 |
| cyphermox | ah, I was just about to ping in the channel :) | 15:44 |
| xubuntu370 | im installing xubuntu 14.04 and stock at config bcmwl-kernel-source, do you have any idea how can i continue, in advance thanks | 15:50 |
| xubuntu370 | i mean i canot continue installing the distro | 15:51 |
| jhenke | xubuntu370 if I see it correctly that is related to kernel modules and support for some broadcom wlan | 15:54 |
| jhenke | do you have any output, indicating why it does not continue? | 15:54 |
| xubuntu370 | yes probably | 15:54 |
| xubuntu370 | nothing only stop de instalation | 15:55 |
| jhenke | to me it seems like a general installer/kernel issue and not xubuntu specific | 15:55 |
| jhenke | I guess we cannot help you much here, I guess the installer/kernel guys might have more insight into ti | 15:56 |
| xubuntu370 | so...i can stop installing the distro and this it? | 15:56 |
| jhenke | you can file a bug and try to get somebody from the kernel or installer team look into the issue | 15:57 |
| xubuntu370 | where are i can find tham? | 15:57 |
| xubuntu370 | them? | 15:57 |
| jhenke | I guess #ubuntu-devel / #ubuntu-kernel is a good start, sorry that we cannot help you | 15:58 |
| jhenke | in any case a bug report is always a good start | 15:59 |
| xubuntu370 | at contrary thanks you | 15:59 |
| jhenke | and then bring that bug to the attention of the responsible developers | 15:59 |
| jhenke | you are welcome, but be aware there a lots of bug reports every day, you have to be persistent to get the attention for your specific bug ;) | 16:00 |
| brainwash | especially now right before final release :) | 16:00 |
| xubuntu370 | whats up if only turn off the pc?????? | 16:01 |
| zequence | knome: We're happy to have what you have. You already have something else for blueooth | 16:01 |
| zequence | ? | 16:01 |
| knome | yes, blueman | 16:02 |
| jhenke | xubuntu370 you can try if that bug is also present in an older version and try that for the time being until the bug is resolved | 16:02 |
| knome | zequence, you currently don't ship that though | 16:03 |
| zequence | knome: Oh.. I did go trough your seeds before, to try make ours align with yours, but that was some time ago | 16:03 |
| zequence | let me check.. | 16:03 |
| knome | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.trusty/desktop | 16:04 |
| knome | no blueman | 16:04 |
| knome | be back in 45mins or so | 16:04 |
| zequence | nope | 16:04 |
| xubuntu370 | thnaks , i will turn off the pc and i going to disconnect | 16:04 |
| zequence | cyphermox: No bug report about the bluetooth issue? | 16:09 |
| zequence | (Not the best day to be working with source code, hrm) | 16:10 |
| jhenke | brainwash did you write a bug report already? | 16:14 |
| jhenke | bbl | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | zequence: what? | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | I was saying someone should open a bug about this issue of extra packages pulled in to xubuntu | 16:21 |
| cyphermox | and then we can fix that by fixing both the ubuntustudio seed to pull in blueman if needed (or gnome-bluetooth), and network-manager-gnome to stop recommending gnome-bluetooth and make it suggest instead | 16:22 |
| zequence | cyphermox: We'll go with your selection. If there is a bug report, I'd just like to add it to the commits, and so forth | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | oh for sure | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | what's why I was asking for brainwash or someone who experiences the problem to file the bug | 16:23 |
| zequence | The idea is we fully base our DE on an existing one - in the future, we will be supporting several | 16:24 |
| zequence | Ah, ok | 16:24 |
| cyphermox | then if I or someone else makes the n-m-gnome changes, it will be in changelog, and it will be in the commit for the seeds so we can track why things changed the way they did | 16:24 |
| cyphermox | I'm trying to convince someone to do the n-m-gnome change so I can sponsor it and not spend too much time on this today | 16:25 |
| knome | elfy, re: studio/myth- | 16:50 |
| knome | we want to make gnome-bluetooth only a suggest for network manager | 16:51 |
| knome | but if/when we do that, studio/myth need to pull that in manually if they still want it | 16:52 |
| knome | or alternatively, leave in unseeded or add blueman to their seed | 16:52 |
| knome | (that's what we use for bluetooth stuff) | 16:52 |
| knome | so at most it's three changes: one for the nm package and two for the myth/studio seeds | 16:53 |
| elfy | ok - thanks | 16:53 |
| knome | if we go that route, xubuntu packages itself shouldn't need any changes | 16:53 |
| knome | and that would fix both the "we have multiple bluetooth stacks" and the ibus issue | 16:54 |
| elfy | yep | 16:54 |
| brainwash | elfy: please try to reproduce bug 1210898 with thunar-volman from my PPA | 17:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 17:13 |
| elfy | I'm already marked as affected by it | 17:14 |
| elfy | all I've got to do is plug in my sansa clip and I'll be affected by it probably - it's been recognised once in 10 times this week | 17:14 |
| brainwash | great | 17:15 |
| elfy | not really | 17:15 |
| elfy | it's enough to make me use windows | 17:15 |
| brainwash | why not? this way you can test my patched thunar-volman :) | 17:16 |
| elfy | and it's not thunar to be honest - doesn't matter what file manager I have - if it's not recognised - then it's not recognised in any of them | 17:16 |
| brainwash | even if the filemanager is open? | 17:16 |
| brainwash | well, thunar relies on thunar-volman to automount devices | 17:17 |
| brainwash | so far no one could confirm this problem in 14.04 | 17:17 |
| brainwash | recently I mean | 17:18 |
| elfy | brainwash: no file manager open - plug it in - if it is recognised then that's ok - but if it isn't then you could use any file manager you want to pull your hair out | 17:18 |
| elfy | brainwash that bug was reference in a beta1 test result | 17:20 |
| elfy | so not sure why you say that | 17:20 |
| brainwash | alright | 17:26 |
| brainwash | just need some feedback for the patch | 17:26 |
| brainwash | otherwise we need to SRU it later | 17:27 |
| brainwash | in case the patch helps | 17:27 |
| elfy | brainwash: sorry - got sidetracked | 17:33 |
| elfy | I can test it of course :) | 17:33 |
| brainwash | thanks | 17:34 |
| elfy | is it in your ppa? | 17:35 |
| brainwash | yes | 17:36 |
| elfy | now? | 17:38 |
| brainwash | now what? I've uploaded it 2 days ago | 17:39 |
| brainwash | see comment #11 :) | 17:39 |
| elfy | oh ok - wasn't aware | 17:39 |
| elfy | I don't bother looking at that bug - been putting up with the issue for ages ... | 17:40 |
| elfy | new kernel apparently ... | 17:40 |
| brainwash | maybe we can finally fix it in trusty :) | 17:40 |
| slickymasterWork | brainwash, clean install 13.10 -> 14.04 | 17:46 |
| slickymasterWork | Present: bug 1304128, bug 1284914, bug 1261203 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1304128 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Both light-locker and xscreensaver enabled after upgrade" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304128 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1284914 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop network shares not visible on desktop" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284914 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1261203 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261203 | 17:47 |
| slickymasterWork | gThumb is still present and the old app-menu is default instead of Whisker | 17:47 |
| slickymasterWork | Not present: bug 1210898, bug 1302571, bug 1274548 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1302571 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Panel 0 xfce4-indicator-plugin misbehavior in Trusty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302571 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1274548 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "gst-plugin-scanner crashed with SIGSEGV in __GI___pthread_mutex_lock()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274548 | 17:47 |
| elfy | brainwash: ok well that's new - plugged it in and thunar actually opened ... | 17:47 |
| brainwash | slickymasterWork: awesome, thanks a lot for the detailed feedback :) | 17:47 |
| elfy | slickymasterWork: with an upgrade things like whisker won't be there | 17:47 |
| slickymasterWork | I'm aware elfy. Just reporting as a good -qa member :) | 17:48 |
| brainwash | elfy: it opened.... and? did it also mount the device? | 17:48 |
| elfy | brainwash: opened twice - as expected - 2 partitions | 17:49 |
| elfy | yep both mounted | 17:49 |
| brainwash | that's great | 17:49 |
| brainwash | but maybe you were just lucky this time? | 17:49 |
| elfy | I shall be in and out over the next day or so looking at this | 17:49 |
| elfy | yea - exactly ^^ | 17:49 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 17:49 |
| slickymasterWork | and like your friendly neighbor spiderman, passed the all day with the -qa disguise, both for Unit193 and brainwash sake | 17:49 |
| elfy | brainwash: though even if it got recognised - they never actually mounted and opened - had to do that myself, so that is an improvement | 17:50 |
| slickymasterWork | and that's enough testing for one day | 17:51 |
| elfy | :) | 17:51 |
| ochosi | cyphermox: hey, just to be sure, did you need any help from us with the nm-gnome thingy or will you handle it? (just trying to keep an overview of the todos) | 17:52 |
| cyphermox | I don't really need help to do if it you want me to | 17:52 |
| knome | cyphermox, that would be awesome :) | 17:52 |
| cyphermox | I was giving a chance if someone wants to do the diff and get a sponsored upload | 17:52 |
| cyphermox | is there a bug open yet? | 17:53 |
| knome | at this point, i think it's better to "just do it" | 17:53 |
| knome | no, there isn't a bug | 17:53 |
| cyphermox | ok | 17:53 |
| knome | afaik... | 17:53 |
| cyphermox | what's the word from mythbuntu? | 17:53 |
| knome | i'm just looking who's with them | 17:54 |
| knome | they seem to have bluez | 17:54 |
| cyphermox | yes | 17:54 |
| cyphermox | but they're not explicitly pulling in gnome-bluetooth via seeds | 17:54 |
| knome | mario...yeah, let me ping him | 17:55 |
| ochosi | thanks cyphermox! | 17:56 |
| ochosi | it's much appreciated | 17:56 |
| knome | PM'd superm1, waiting for a reply | 17:58 |
| cyphermox | ok | 17:59 |
| elfy | brainwash: ok - so it is now at 50% success rate ... | 18:11 |
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| jhenke | would be awsome if we can get the image of tomorrow clean of thos additional presents :) | 18:17 |
| elfy | brainwash: looking better now after a reboot, 4 out of 5 times it has actually mounted and opened | 18:56 |
| brainwash | elfy: ok, that's an improvement | 18:57 |
| elfy | indeed - generally in 5 I'd be expecting none to work | 18:58 |
| brainwash | I could increase the timeout to 2 seconds (up from 1 second), the original patch specified 5 seconds | 19:09 |
| brainwash | so, time to prepare the branch | 19:10 |
| elfy | I did have one instance where it mounted the main drive in it - but failed to mount the sd card - though they were both there | 19:13 |
| RFleming | I understand there's some testing going on with thunar and USB | 19:15 |
| knome | brainwash, prod RFleming to the right direction | 19:15 |
| RFleming | brainwash, be gentle. I bruise easily | 19:16 |
| RFleming | :D | 19:16 |
| elfy | RFleming: add the ppa https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test | 19:19 |
| elfy | upgrade thunar-volman - check that usb's and the like actually mount | 19:19 |
| RFleming | elfy, alright, give me a moment. | 19:19 |
| elfy | assuming you've been affected by the bug in which they don't | 19:19 |
| RFleming | what's the but #? | 19:20 |
| RFleming | bug # | 19:20 |
| elfy | bug 1210898 | 19:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar-volman (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 19:21 |
| RFleming | USB devices mount properly on my end | 19:21 |
| RFleming | well not automagically | 19:21 |
| RFleming | ok, yes... after installing exfat-utils, it mounted my key | 19:22 |
| RFleming | it only seems to auto mount 1 key at a time | 19:23 |
| RFleming | I've repeated it with several keys now. The first one auto-mounts, the second does not. If I eject the first one, and re-plug in the second one, it will auto mount | 19:24 |
| RFleming | the same thing happens with USB hard drives with multiple partitions. The first partition mounts, the rest do not | 19:25 |
| elfy | I just plugged in 4 and they all worked | 19:28 |
| elfy | not got exfat-utils here | 19:28 |
| RFleming | where do I check the automount settings? | 19:29 |
| RFleming | got it | 19:29 |
| RFleming | elfy, let me try your test PPA and see if they all mount when plugged in. | 19:30 |
| elfy | it's not mine - much too close to voodooery | 19:30 |
| elfy | it's brainwash's :) | 19:30 |
| RFleming | how do I revert back? :) | 19:31 |
| elfy | sudo ppa-purge ppa:thad-fisch/test | 19:31 |
| elfy | I'm going to run with it for a day or two at least here | 19:32 |
| RFleming | ok, thunar-volman (0.8.0-4test1) installed | 19:32 |
| RFleming | ok, USB HDD with multiple partitions... they all mount | 19:33 |
| elfy | yea - but did they previously? | 19:33 |
| RFleming | add usb exfat usb key, it mounts | 19:33 |
| elfy | if they did then that's not proven | 19:33 |
| RFleming | add another usb key, it mounts too | 19:33 |
| RFleming | elfy, as I previously stated... thunar would automount the first USB key, but not the second. | 19:34 |
| RFleming | Thunar would mount the first partition on a USB HDD, but not the second | 19:34 |
| RFleming | now... with the new thunar-volman, Thunar automounts ALL partitions of the USB HDD, and when additional USB devices are attached, they mount as well. | 19:35 |
| RFleming | old action = first device, none of the others | 19:35 |
| RFleming | new action = all devices | 19:35 |
| RFleming | USB devices are a mix of file systems, 2 NTFS, 1 fat32, 1 exfat | 19:37 |
| knome | i guess that's a different problem solved... | 19:38 |
| RFleming | am I making sense? | 19:39 |
| RFleming | sometimes I wonder. | 19:39 |
| knome | you are | 19:39 |
| RFleming | knome, ok. Just checking. | 19:40 |
| RFleming | Alright, I'm reverting back | 19:41 |
| RFleming | alright. I've reverted back | 19:42 |
| RFleming | it works like the test version | 19:42 |
| RFleming | everything is still automounting when plugged in. | 19:42 |
| RFleming | oh, well not everything | 19:43 |
| RFleming | USB HDD with multiple partitions, only the main partition mounts. The other does not. | 19:45 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: is https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/thunar-volman/fix-automount ok? | 19:48 |
| brainwash | well, the patch seems to improve auto-mounting and people confirmed it upstream | 19:49 |
| brainwash | so it's a win situation | 19:49 |
| knome | can approve the general direction and would argue it would be something to fix/land even after final freeze | 19:50 |
| brainwash | canoncial, give us 1 more week! please! :) | 19:52 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, You forgot to run "update-maintainer" | 19:53 |
| elfy | "Ever since the new improved Whisker Menu, I find no need for the bottom panel. Up until then, I always had one. Now my Favorites take its place. Ever since the new improved Whisker Menu, I find no need for the bottom panel. Up until then, I always had one. Now my Favorites take its place. " | 19:53 |
| brainwash | what files does this change? | 19:53 |
| brainwash | can I still run it afterwards? | 19:54 |
| Noskcaj | Also, leave the patch unapplied for ease of review (Where possible, only have the patches that were already applied, applied) | 19:54 |
| Noskcaj | and yes, it changes the maintainer in the control file | 19:54 |
| Noskcaj | without that, bzr-buildpackage fails | 19:54 |
| knome | elfy, pastefail? ;) | 19:54 |
| brainwash | mmh | 19:54 |
| Unit193 | knome: He thinks if he tells himself that enough, it'll be true. ;) | 19:55 |
| RFleming | haha | 19:55 |
| knome | hah | 19:55 |
| elfy | knome: nope - meant to add that it's a quote from someone | 19:55 |
| knome | well done... | 19:55 |
| knome | elfy, yeah, you just pasted the quote itself twice... | 19:55 |
| elfy | ohhh | 19:55 |
| RFleming | whoosh! | 19:55 |
| knome | but i can agree repeating IS one of the ways to make a message strongs | 19:55 |
| knome | *stronger | 19:55 |
| knome | i don't know what i'm typing anymore | 19:56 |
| RFleming | definition if insanity? | 19:56 |
| elfy | yea pastefail then - did that just as everything went STOP as it got to the end of searching for all the image tests from trusty ... | 19:56 |
| elfy | STUPID system :| | 19:56 |
| knome | mmh, the daily images are in better shape than i ever could think though | 19:56 |
| elfy | yep | 19:57 |
| elfy | 3 new names on upgrade test reports | 20:00 |
| elfy | package testing has come to an abrupt halt - but with 230 tests and 50 bugs we should be pleased | 20:01 |
| knome | yeah... | 20:01 |
| knome | please don't find any new bugs | 20:01 |
| knome | makes the stats look bad | 20:01 |
| knome | ;) | 20:01 |
| elfy | I was thinking of closing the package tracker tbh | 20:01 |
| elfy | marking it ready | 20:02 |
| knome | nah | 20:02 |
| elfy | then I'm on the hunt for 10 new bugs by Sunday :p | 20:02 |
| knome | yw :P | 20:02 |
| knome | i can't see much benefit on closing it | 20:02 |
| knome | and no cons on not closing it | 20:03 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: now ok https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/thunar-volman/fix-automount ? | 20:03 |
| elfy | knome: fair enough | 20:03 |
| RFleming | brainwash, as an added benefit, reverting back to the released thunar-volman, all my USB keys mount now, not just the first one :) | 20:04 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, yep, all good | 20:04 |
| brainwash | did you restart thunar and/or thunar-volman? | 20:04 |
| RFleming | yes | 20:05 |
| RFleming | I used 4 devices. 3 USB keys, (2 USB2, 1 USB3), and a USB3 HDD enclosure. The HDD has a Windows 7 install with 2 partitions, one SYSTEM, the other the OS. The three USB keys have 1 partition each, the past behaviour was the first device attached got auto-mounted, the rest didn't. With your version ALL devices/partitions auto-mounted. Reverting back, ALL USB keys auto-mount, as does the OS partition on the HDD, but the System partitio | 20:10 |
| RFleming | n does not. | 20:10 |
| brainwash | ah ok | 20:10 |
| intekulan | is libreoffice supposed to look like windows 98? I don't think I remember it like this | 20:15 |
| Noskcaj | intekulan, I'm guessing something broke gtk for you | 20:16 |
| Noskcaj | But i have no idea what, or if people already know about the issue | 20:16 |
| Unit193 | intekulan: libreoffice-gtk (or something like that) installed? | 20:17 |
| RFleming | or libreoffice-style-* | 20:17 |
| intekulan | checking | 20:17 |
| elfy | Unit193: it's not automatically installed | 20:17 |
| intekulan | ii libreoffice-style-galaxy | 20:17 |
| elfy | or wasn't here | 20:18 |
| elfy | intekulan: libreoffice-gtk | 20:18 |
| intekulan | elfy: installing | 20:18 |
| intekulan | much better :) maybe include that as dependency? | 20:19 |
| elfy | then it looks odd in win2k | 20:19 |
| intekulan | k | 20:19 |
| elfy | :) | 20:19 |
| Unit193 | intekulan: It's not a dep though, you can use it without that, or with -kde, or something else maybe. It's recommended, IIRC, so should be installed if you install 'libreoffice' the "normal" way. | 20:22 |
| knome | cyphermox, mythbuntu probably wants to drop bluetooth stuff for good. still waiting for a confirmation | 20:22 |
| elfy | I only install calc and writer | 20:22 |
| intekulan | I did sudo apt-get install libreoffice-writer hoping to only get the writer. :p | 20:23 |
| RFleming | intekulan, and you did :) | 20:23 |
| RFleming | what's the problem? :D | 20:23 |
| intekulan | Libreoffice-math | 20:23 |
| intekulan | oh, it's just the equation tool | 20:24 |
| brainwash | libreoffice.. wrong channel :P | 20:24 |
| brainwash | we use the fabulous abiword and gnumeric :) | 20:24 |
| brainwash | Logan_: you there? | 20:25 |
| RFleming | I just wish the fabulous orage hooked up to services :) | 20:25 |
| brainwash | someone has implement it | 20:26 |
| brainwash | has to | 20:26 |
| knome | lol | 20:27 |
| brainwash | a Xfce hackfest would be awesome | 20:28 |
| elfy | I could get some popcorn | 20:28 |
| brainwash | and do some cheerleading? | 20:29 |
| elfy | depends :) | 20:29 |
| knome | when did this channel turn into -offtopic-offtopic? | 20:29 |
| knome | :P | 20:29 |
| elfy | about 10 minutes ago ... | 20:29 |
| elfy | :) | 20:29 |
| elfy | so - to get things back on an even keel - when are -marketing going to deal with their blueprint ... | 20:30 |
| knome | nevar! | 20:30 |
| elfy | I see | 20:30 |
| elfy | :) | 20:30 |
| knome | well i guess a minute before release ;) | 20:30 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 20:30 |
| elfy | :POSTPONED | 20:31 |
| knome | there are many complex work items | 20:31 |
| knome | which are blocked by trivial work items :P | 20:31 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 20:31 |
| knome | well not really | 20:31 |
| knome | but we're really close to having the flyer content ready | 20:31 |
| elfy | cool | 20:31 |
| knome | once that's done, i have to sit down some time with inkscape... | 20:32 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu_flyer_draft.png | 20:32 |
| knome | as you see, we're almost done... | 20:32 |
| elfy | looks good :) | 20:33 |
| starrats | knome and elfy I was just glancing at that flyer, it looks great | 20:44 |
| starrats | One multiple question on the flyer. How will folks be able to get this flyer and where will they be available? | 20:59 |
| elfy | download I expect | 21:00 |
| knome | will make sure it's readily available, people can then print them at home and spread as they want | 21:01 |
| starrats | by the way are there still luds around? Used to be a site online that would/could tell you if one was in your community, I belonged to one years back at Kent State University. | 21:02 |
| starrats | lugs | 21:02 |
| knome | there surely are LUGs | 21:03 |
| starrats | ok LUGS | 21:03 |
| jhenke | good night folks | 21:03 |
| knome | night jhenke | 21:03 |
| elfy | night jhenke | 21:03 |
| knome | cyphermox, ack from mythbuntu: they are ok if gnome-bluetooth is demoted to suggests | 22:00 |
| knome | zequence, what was it what you wanted for bluetooth stuff for studio again? | 22:01 |
| knome | cyphermox, humph, looking at old bugs, you have fixed this issue already... | 22:06 |
| knome | in 2011 | 22:06 |
| knome | cyphermox, though it's re-raised as bug 1301045, which is now marked invalid | 22:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1301045 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "gnome-bluetooth and empathy pull in unity-control-center on Ubuntu GNOME packageset installation" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301045 | 22:08 |
| knome | cyphermox, original bug is bug 844027 | 22:08 |
| ubottu | bug 844027 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Consider dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844027 | 22:08 |
| knome | oh, hmm, that's -applet | 22:08 |
| knome | and the new bug isn't exactly this bug anyway, confusing things already (1am) | 22:09 |
| cyphermox | well, it's the same thing really | 22:19 |
| cyphermox | I must have forgotten about it when I did one Humongous Debian Merge (tm) | 22:19 |
| cyphermox | I'd still be doing this thing in applet, not elsewhere | 22:21 |
| knome | but we'd need it in network-manager-gnome | 22:23 |
| knome | aiui | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | That's the applet. | 22:24 |
| knome | oookay. | 22:24 |
| Unit193 | "This package contains a systray applet for GNOME's notification area but it also works for other desktop environments which provide a systray like KDE or Xfce" | 22:24 |
| knome | rright, so -applet source creates -gnome package | 22:25 |
| knome | right. | 22:25 |
| Unit193 | I was going to say, because network-manager hasn't been sync'd for quite some time. | 22:26 |
| cyphermox | Unit193: no, it hasn't | 22:26 |
| knome | cyphermox, would the old bug do? | 22:27 |
| cyphermox | I'll reopen one shortly | 22:27 |
| knome | ok, i can make other flavors ack on the bug if you want | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | re: ibus | 22:53 |
| knome | re what ibus | 22:54 |
| knome | :P | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | re banish ibus | 22:54 |
| knome | hmm... | 22:54 |
| knome | it gets pulled in via gnome-bluetooth. | 22:54 |
| knome | cyphermox is looking/fixing | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | ah | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | fun | 22:55 |
| knome | what else is gnome-bluetooth pulling? | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | too much backlog | 22:55 |
| knome | unity-control-center! ta-dag! | 22:55 |
| knome | *ta-dah | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | ta-dang! | 22:55 |
| cyphermox | yes | 22:55 |
| knome | at least we noticed that... | 22:56 |
| cyphermox | I'll fix later tonight or tomorrow, currently trying to do an in-depth inventory of Lego pieces | 22:56 |
| knome | sounds like a priority task, thumbs up | 22:56 |
| knome | :) | 22:56 |
| knome | says the one who has been playing openttd all day | 22:57 |
| GridCube | its there any test i could perform on my netbook that any of you could need? | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | I don't have anything specific atm | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | ooh | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | iso size dropped 20mb in the past 2 days | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | trimming the fat | 23:16 |
| knome | hah, just dropping apps because they have bugs | 23:16 |
| knome | ;) | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | crap, guess my apps were pulled | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | I'm guessing ochosi is already away | 23:17 |
| knome | he's been on and off | 23:17 |
| knome | but not around for some time | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | suppose I should work on releases with translations this weekend | 23:18 |
| knome | maybe... | 23:18 |
| knome | bluesabre, tell me, | 23:24 |
| knome | where's the desktop right-click .menu file | 23:24 |
| knome | and tell me | 23:24 |
| knome | what's "menu manager"? | 23:24 |
| knome | is it brought by whiskermenu | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | ~/.config/menus/xfce4-applications.menu | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | menu manager? | 23:25 |
| knome | or is it... hmmm | 23:25 |
| knome | that must be that weird thing | 23:25 |
| knome | right | 23:25 |
| knome | i'll remove | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | you're not making a lot of sense... | 23:26 |
| knome | yeah, it was an old artefact on launchpad | 23:26 |
| knome | which i installed | 23:26 |
| knome | and now ran | 23:26 |
| knome | and it messed up my menu | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | lol | 23:26 |
| knome | (surprise!) | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | "alacarte"? | 23:26 |
| knome | no | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:26 |
| knome | xubuntu-menu-manager | 23:26 |
| knome | . | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | I recommend menulibre ;) | 23:27 |
| knome | should menu file changes be live immediately? | 23:28 |
| knome | is the latest menulibre version in a ppa for saucy? | 23:29 |
| knome | see, lots of questions | 23:29 |
| bluesabre | doesn't work in saucy | 23:32 |
| bluesabre | requires gnome-menus 3.10 | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | there is a saucy package | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | but it will crash after every change | 23:33 |
| knome | hmm. | 23:33 |
| knome | i'm running 2.0.3 in saucy | 23:33 |
| knome | and it's not crashing. | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | lucky | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:33 |
| knome | heh | 23:33 |
| knome | so... | 23:33 |
| knome | how do i edit the top menu items? | 23:33 |
| knome | i guess no way with our current menu structure? | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | 2.0.3 should work | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | normal xfce menu or whisker? | 23:34 |
| knome | normal | 23:34 |
| knome | well, the desktop right-click menu | 23:34 |
| knome | so i guess normal... | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | should be able to edit to top-level items | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | the menu applications sometimes don't update immediately | 23:35 |
| bluesabre | give them 5 seconds | 23:35 |
| knome | yeah... i noticed | 23:35 |
| knome | so, how do i edit the top-level items? | 23:36 |
| knome | hmm | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | they should be listed | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | click them, edit them | 23:36 |
| knome | menulibre says 13.03.15... | 23:36 |
| knome | but apt-get says 2.0.3 | 23:36 |
| knome | ??? | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | ??? | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | apt-cache policy menulibre | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | which one has *** | 23:37 |
| knome | wait no, 13.03.15 | 23:37 |
| knome | but i can't upgrade to 2.0.3 | 23:37 |
| * knome gives up | 23:38 | |
| knome | i should upgrade to trusty tomorrow | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | apt-get remove | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | then install again | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | the 13.* packages for saucy should be gone now | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | remove, update, install | 23:38 |
| knome | mm | 23:39 |
| knome | yeah, that works | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | good news | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | now it should crash for you | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 23:40 |
| knome | "should" | 23:40 |
| knome | yay... | 23:40 |
| * knome facepalms at segfaults | 23:41 | |
| bluesabre | welcome to the future! | 23:42 |
| knome | but generally, good work | 23:42 |
| knome | if the future is a segfault, no thanks | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | only on saucy ;) | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | oh boy, more indicator updates | 23:45 |
| knome | heh | 23:45 |
| bluesabre | let's see if everything still works when I reboot | 23:45 |
| knome | it would be nice if there was any other way to show the separators than dashes... | 23:46 |
| bluesabre | I agree | 23:46 |
| bluesabre | but then they would not be draggable | 23:46 |
| knome | maybe –'s? | 23:47 |
| knome | would maybe make it a solid line | 23:47 |
| knome | (that's an emdash) | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | it's worth looking into | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | there is probably some hackery I can try | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | might try to improve that this weekend | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I bet you would know the answer to this: | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | I seem to have some things stuck in apport (can't clear them away, can't report them away) | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | how the heck do I make apport stop popping up? | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | (besides removing apport) | 23:50 |
| knome | bluesabre, purge. | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | I need to keep my environment together until release day, takes to long to put back together | 23:51 |
| bluesabre | *too | 23:51 |
| knome | ;) | 23:51 |
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