[00:01] <james0r2> Xubuntu 14.04 official release date the 17th like ubuntu?
[00:01] <Unit193> Same day.
[00:01] <Unit193> All official flavors.
[00:01] <james0r2> ahh okay.
[00:03] <james0r2> i think i'll be coming back to xfce + ubuntu from Debian testing. I like new shiny stuff but i'm finding i get too much breakage on deb testing.
[00:08] <skribblezatcha> lol whats up james0r2.;)
[00:09] <james0r2> skribblezatcha, hey not much. your nick looks familiar
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> yeah i know from over on the mint channel man.
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> which i am in as we speak actually. how are things with you?
[00:10] <james0r2> ahh right.
[00:11] <james0r2> pretty good man. having some good coffee and watching Super Why with my daughter. she's saying random stuff and being funny.
[00:11] <james0r2> you looking forward to 14.04 (LM17) ?
[00:11] <bazhang> !ot
[00:12] <james0r2> skribblezatcha, im over on LM -chat chan
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> cool james0r2, sounds like a good time.:)
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> i will show you what i have done on the mint channel. one sec.
[03:00] <kupo_> Is it possible to safely remove thunar without destroying desktop
[03:00] <holstein> kupo_: sure... but whats the goal? free up a little hard drive space?
[03:01] <kupo_> well. i use pcmanfm and yes. to get rid of it. but yes
[03:01] <holstein> kupo_: so, you need to free up a tiny bit of hard drive space, then?
[03:01] <kupo_> sure. get rid of unwanted packages bloat etc
[03:01] <kupo_> i dont like having certain things i don't use
[03:02] <kupo_> pretty sure i got rid of thunar once and it killed the OS. but maybe i didnt have another file manager installed at the time
[03:02] <holstein> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5293
[03:02] <kupo_> it says "xubuntu-desktop" in synaptic
[03:02] <holstein> kupo_: you are using it, likely, for the desktop icons, etc
[03:02] <kupo_> oh. so it will get rid of my menu etc?
[03:03] <holstein> kupo_: it will get rid of thunar, and what it provides you
[03:03] <kupo_> i'll just keep if it's a problem. not a big deal
[03:03] <holstein> kupo_: i would.. if you are using XFCE, you probably want to keep it.
[03:04] <kupo_> alright than
[03:04] <kupo_> i'd like to try ubuntu mini install. but not using ethernet. so sort of ruins installment
[03:04] <holstein> !mini
[03:05] <holstein> you could pull over what you need for wifi manually, i suppose
[03:06] <kupo_> yeah. i'm just behind wireless ince router is 3 rooms away and i use desktops. i could. or just move my desktop in that room for some minutes. i have a junker pc . that is where i test most stuff. running xubuntu as well. with 1 gig of ram. runs rather nicely
[03:10] <kupo_> some reason hibernation is faded out of power menu. do they just consider standby the same thing now?
[03:11] <x200> Hi, I have problem. Please can you help me? I try boot in recovery mode. But If i try press shift in boot, it is do anything... My xubuntu boot in normal system.
[03:11] <holstein> kupo_: can depend on hardware support and configuraiton
[03:11] <kupo_> yeah. had it in hibernation before. i'll check and see what happens brb
[03:12] <holstein> x200: i'll just edit my grub and make it show the menu
[03:13] <holstein> x200: thats all shift is trying to do, show the hidden grub so you can choose the recovery console.. could be something is *quite* corrupt though, causing a larger issue
[03:14] <kupo_> well works. i just have to replu gin my usb adaptor
[03:14] <kupo_> does the same thing on other machine heh
[03:15] <kupo_> well. that was suspend. if i could try to get hibernate to work. that may be different
[03:15] <kupo_> oh well. ssd makes it just as fast anyways
[03:16] <holstein> kupo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[03:16] <x200> I try all shift.
[03:16] <holstein> kupo_: if you have cusomized your swap or removed.
[03:18] <kupo_> oh cool. will check with gparted now. it makes swap space automatically usually when installtion right?
[03:19] <x200> I find problem, Grub is not display, becouse I use old NB, without internal lcd, only external monitor. And in external monitor, is "no signal". But if I press shift, and after few seconds I try press down key, I be at grub menu. Please tell me, what is position of recovery mode in grub? I must find it "blind" :D
[03:19] <kupo_> yeah. i have 3.50 gigs of swap lul
[03:20] <kupo_> seems to be a little too much right?/
[03:21] <kupo_> whole system only has 5.38 gigs used. not bad att all
[03:38] <delt> speaking of which, my swapspace isn't enabled by the init scripts. i have to manually enable it at boot
[03:38] <delt> actually i added the swapon command to my /etc/rc.local
[04:24] <chrispage1980> hello, anybody know why when I change the conf file in lightdm so the logon background is blank it still shows this new wallpaper? Also I just done a fresh install and I have a blank plugin indicator and no sound menu.
[06:21] <xubuntu852> hey all, short question: will new xubuntu lts still have support for just three years? should i install ubuntu with xfce package instead to have 5 years support or will i get updates anyway but just no support? thx
[06:23] <moetunes> !lts
[06:25] <Artemis3> xubuntu852, don't do that because its the same. ubuntu and xubuntu are identical but they have some different packages installed
[06:28] <xubuntu852> yes, i know ... but that's why i'm confused because the ubuntu lts will have 5 years support
[06:28] <Artemis3> xubuntu852, the packages maintained by canonical (ie kernel) will get the updates the same 5 years
[06:29] <xubuntu852> so, the 3-years is just for confusing people ;) thx
[06:29] <xubuntu852> then i'll install xubuntu in a few days :)
[06:29] <Artemis3> xubuntu852, it means the other packages such as xfce will not be updated anymore after 3 years
[06:30] <xubuntu852> thats ok ...
[06:30] <Artemis3> there is no difference if you install ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop to just installing xubuntu
[06:31] <Artemis3> (except the extra packages from unity, etc)
[06:31] <xubuntu852> so, in real ubuntu doesn't get full 5 years support ... ;)
[06:32] <Artemis3> canonical will keep updating (security updates?) unity whereas the team maintaining xubuntu stops at 3 years the package they keep track of, which again is a very small subset from the repository
[06:33] <Artemis3> the packages they track, which are installed by ubuntu-desktop metapackage get 5 years
[06:34] <Artemis3> the other packages are maintained by the different community teams
[06:34] <Artemis3> and they decide how many years to keep track of them
[06:35] <Artemis3> xubuntu852, sticking to LTS is a good idea, you could try going from 12.04 to 14.04
[06:38] <xubuntu852> no, currently having 11.10 ;) will do a new install
[06:40] <xubuntu852> thx for your explanations
[07:30] <Guido1> Hello, I would like to change the location of some maps in my profile like music, pictures etc. How can I do that? I also would like uninstall some programs. the siftwercenter shows al installed programs, but I can't uninstal them from there. (I also want to remove some programs i installed with the commenadline so that other programs run. How can i see the relations?)
[07:38] <chrispage1980> @guido1 sudo apt-get purge name-of-programme* && sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:39] <Guido1> chrispage1980: but some pagages seam to consist of several smaler packages. so what i the correct name and i'm also interested in the relations of programs (which program did i installed to run another program)
[07:44] <bazhang> you can check the dependencies in a GUI fashion at packages.ubuntu.com Guido1
[07:46] <Guido1> bazhang: for example i tryed to instal node only to run one program
[07:51] <bazhang> what is node only
[08:09] <Guido1> bazhang: not node only, but only node. node is something to run java aplications or so
[08:34] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Hi, the 14.04 rc wasn't supposed to be available the 10 of april?
[08:36] <knome> there isn't a special RC image
[08:36] <koegs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[08:38] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Well, it's written there too
[08:38] <ZatsuneNoMokou> April 10th, ReleaseCandidate
[08:38] <knome> and as i said, there is no special RC image
[08:38] <ZatsuneNoMokou> okay
[08:38] <knome> you can download yesterday's daily and consider it the release candidate
[08:38] <ZatsuneNoMokou> okay
[08:39] <knome> or today's, to be exact
[08:39] <knome> which doesn't seem to be up yet
[08:39] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I'm Fr, so, it's already 11 of April for me
[08:40] <ZatsuneNoMokou> thanks anyway
[09:08] <Exsoul> Greetings everyone on this friday morning! :)
[09:08] <Unit193> Howdy.
[09:09] <cfhowlett> Exsoul greetings.  ask your Xubuntu question
[09:10] <Exsoul> At the moment i do not have a question. I've installed Xubuntu yesterday evening on an old laptop. And was overwhelmed by the performance ;D
[09:11] <cfhowlett> Exsoul happy to hear it.  FYI, version 14.04 comes out next week.
[09:12] <Exsoul> Alrighty! Thanks!
[10:38] <xubuntu752> hello' everybody
[10:38] <xubuntu752> need one suggestion
[10:38] <cfhowlett> xubuntu752 ask
[10:39] <xubuntu752> some trick to activate "fast search" in menu of xfce
[10:39] <xubuntu752> like the one of solydx or w7
[10:39] <xubuntu752> clear?
[10:41] <xubuntu752> when push the button of mouse head, is possible to have a string-query-fast-search line?
[10:42] <xubuntu752> ... or I need to recompile xfce by myself tryng to mix with the one of solyx (if is possible to find the source)
[10:50] <knome> xubuntu752, you might want to look at whiskermenu
[11:00] <xubuntu752> thx I will try
[11:11] <xubuntu752> last question - whysker menu avalaible only from PPA, right?
[11:21] <knome> it will be in the repository (and installed by default for new installations) in 14.04
[12:25] <Jay----> How to I install amd catalyst on xubuntu. I get it working on Ubuntu but not xubuntu
[12:28] <knome> Jay----, there should be absolutely no difference to installation
[14:17] <limey> having problem with torrents not starting. firewall isnt on. any ideas? fresh install of xubuntu. deluge and transmission both just sit
[14:21] <limey> !# and windows work fine
[15:39] <xubuntu370> hi im installing xubuntu 14.04  but it stopped at config bcmwl-kernel-source, what do you suggest to do?
[15:41] <xubuntu370> i mean  dont continue installing the distro??????
[15:47] <starrats> xubuntu370 this is a channel for 13.10 xubuntu, you might have better luck going to #xubuntu-devel channel for your answer.
[15:47] <jhenke> xubuntu370 14.04 is not released yet, best course of action would be to check if there is already a bug report about it and also check with #xubuntu-devel as suggested
[15:48] <xubuntu370> thnak i will do
[16:43] <medeman> hey there, im having a weird xubuntu installation "problem" - the installer says I'm not connected to the internet...however I am connect, in fact I'm using this IRC from the live xubuntu... (13.10 amd64)
[16:44] <holstein> medeman: just dont connect.. and dont ask for connection, or updates during installation, or codecs
[16:45] <holstein> medeman: its just a few days really til 14.04, if you are doing a fresh installation.. there is no reason to stay a version behind for security reasons like some folks do on other OS's
[16:47] <medeman> holstein: well I gotta install a new OS on this device now - and it's fairly easy to upgrade 13.10 to 14.04 (right?)
[16:47] <holstein> medeman: i dont think so. i prefer fresh installs
[16:47] <holstein> medeman: "easy" is a matter of opinion in many cases.. and if you find that easier, enjouy
[16:47] <holstein> enjoy*
[16:47] <knome> it is fairly easy though :)
[16:48] <holstein> should just get a popup and click a button, and several hours later, you are updated..
[16:48] <medeman> holstein: thx, in case it causes trouble i'll just fresh install - i just need to have an os on there right now and it wont really matter if I'll have to spend another 1-2 hours installing 14.04 in a few days
[16:50] <holstein> medeman: sure.. its just that it doesnt take my 1 to 2 hours to install 14.04.. it takes less than 10 minutes
[17:42] <xfcemagic> hi
[17:43] <xfcemagic> I'm installing xubuntu 13.10 in this moment and I opened this chat during the installing process
[17:43] <xfcemagic> I would like to know if I will can easily pass from 13.10 to the next LTS of xubuntu.
[17:44] <knome> yes, the upgrade will be available in about a week
[17:44] <xfcemagic> so I don't have to wait a week... I can use now the 13.10 and then pass to the new LTS without problems?
[17:44] <xfcemagic> I'm on a work machine
[17:44] <xfcemagic> so I need stability
[17:45] <xfcemagic> or maybe I have to install 12.04 and then do the upgrade to the next LTS when it will be out?
[17:46] <knome> if you can, i would wait the week
[17:46] <knome> so called "clean install" is always better than an upgrade
[17:46] <xfcemagic> I can't wait... :(
[17:47] <knome> it's hard to say which is better in this case...
[17:47] <xfcemagic> it's possibile that I'll have problems in the upgrade from 13.10 to 14 LTS ?
[17:47] <knome> while 12.04 is an LTS, it's only a week and the difference to 14.04 is bigger than from 13.10
[17:47] <knome> otoh, 13.10 isn't an LTS, which... shouldn't be too much of a problem
[17:48] <knome> problems on upgrade are always possible (though unlikely in this case), but they will leave stuff behind you might not want and cause you minor inconveniences later
[17:49] <xfcemagic> but it's possible to upgrade from non-lts to lts?
[17:49] <knome> yes, from the latest non-LTS
[17:49] <knome> so you can upgrade to 14.04 from either 13.10 or 12.04
[17:49] <xfcemagic> you mean 13.10 ?
[17:49] <knome> yep
[17:49] <xfcemagic> ok, thank you!
[17:49] <knome> there is a third option, which i wouldn't (normally) suggest...
[17:50] <knome> and it's know to come with certain problems not yet fixed; you could install from the daily 14.04 image
[17:50] <knome> but again, if you are looking for stability and that's the number one priority... i wouldn't do that
[17:51] <xfcemagic> ok, installation is finished now... I have to restart... Bye!
[19:09] <doc-saintly> Hello all. I've just installed XUbuntu on my gigabyte Brix machine, and it seems that my SSH terminal runs slow :( I often have to wait for the typing to complete.
[19:09] <doc-saintly> How can I check if this is a network or a hardware issue?
[19:18] <RFleming> doc-saintly, can you pastebin the results of lspci?
[19:19] <doc-saintly> http://pastebin.com/PVSBfbxP
[19:20] <doc-saintly> @ RFleming
[19:25] <RFleming> doc-saintly, gimme a few
[19:26] <doc-saintly> No rush :) I just know I don't often check windows unless I'm pinged
[19:38] <RFleming> doc-saintly, are you using wireless or wired?
[19:40] <doc-saintly> wireless
[19:40] <doc-saintly> I've started looking into that, I'm noticing that my signal health is all over the place :(
[19:47] <RFleming> try with wired.
[19:47] <RFleming> I somehow think it's the wireless
[19:47] <RFleming> I'm trying to remember if there was a realtek firmware that needed to be installed
[19:48] <kupo_> so many updates lately. LTS on the way very soon?
[19:50] <bekks> kupo_: Yes.
[22:08] <Infinite_anon> hi
[22:09] <Infinite_anon> I have a problem with my xubuntu. Is this the right place to come for help?
[22:10] <juanmontoya> Infinite_anon: sure, if one of us does not know the answer perhaps someone else does
[22:12] <Infinite_anon> So i have this problem since i started playing with awesome wm. Everytime after the reboot I can't login on my account, i can only login on guest or root and the only way to repair this temporary i need to delete .Xauthority file to login. I don't if it's awesome's fault or is it something else
[22:12] <knome> Infinite_anon, can you confirm it happens without awesome as well?
[22:13] <juanmontoya> (I'd delete all files that start with a . but that's like putting a nuke on your settings)
[22:13] <Infinite_anon> probably too because after i deleted awesome and installed some else wm it did it as well
[22:14] <knome> Infinite_anon, if you have enabled the root account, that might be a cause for that problem as well.
[22:15] <Infinite_anon> and i don't use this third-party wms as default i started them by startx in terminal
[22:17] <Infinite_anon> i didn't enable root. i think so at least