[00:13] <xmltok> i'm trying to netinstall 14.04 but its not able to find kernel modules on the main repos, is that expected or may i have something else wrong?
[00:20] <Lisa92> Hi! I know it's possible now, but is it a bad idea to install the Final Beta now (I need it) and then upgrade later or does it not matter? :)
[00:20] <rww> It doesn't matter.
[00:21] <Lisa92> rww: So I won't be an easy target for viruses and malware and such?
[00:21] <jtaylor> or just install a daily build
[00:21] <Lisa92> And I will get everything you guys get? :P
[00:21] <Lisa92> jtaylor: What does that mean?
[00:21] <jtaylor> there are new installers created every day
[00:21] <jtaylor> a daily build, its the same as installing the beta and then upgrading
[00:22] <rww> Lisa92: upgrading from a beta to a final release means you'll be on the same repositories as people who install the final release, so you'd get the same security updates and such
[00:22] <Lisa92> jtaylor: Hmm...
[00:23] <Lisa92> rww: Well, just to make sure... There is nothing "less safe" with using the Final Beta in its current state? :)
[00:23] <jtaylor> betas/release candidates etc are essentially just better tested daily build installers
[00:23] <Lisa92> jtaylor: Do I need to reinstall every day? :/
[00:23] <rww> Lisa92: it's unreleased, so it is perfectly likely to make your computer explode and has no official support, but apart from that, sure, it's fine
[00:23] <jtaylor> no just apt-get upgrade, sometimes dist-upgrade
[00:23] <Lisa92> rww: Don't say that! XD
[00:23] <jtaylor> technically 14.04 only gets security support after release, in practice it probably doesn't matter
[00:23] <rww> don't use pre-release versions if you actually care about the integrity of your data
[00:24] <Lisa92> jtaylor: But if it is the same as using the beta and then upgrading, does it really matter? :P
[00:24] <jtaylor> it doesn't matter
[00:24] <Lisa92> rww: I don't want to wait. :(
[00:24] <jtaylor> you just save updating 400mb of packages directly after installing
[00:24] <Lisa92> jtaylor: Ahh... I see now.
[00:25] <Lisa92> jtaylor: If I decide to do that, where can I get the latest daily build?
[00:25] <rww> Lisa92: There's a reason you're supposed to wait. Lots of QA testing between now and then.
[00:25] <jtaylor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:25] <rww> But hey, if you don't care about your data integrity or lack of support, go right ahead.
[00:25] <Lisa92> rww: I understand. :(
[00:25] <Lisa92> rww: But I DO care.
[00:25] <Lisa92> jtaylor: Thanks.
[00:25] <rww> then don't use pre-release versions of Ubuntu.
[00:26] <Lisa92> Gaaaah.
[00:26] <jtaylor> its pretty save to install now
[00:27] <Lisa92> rww: Well... I guess I could do without support for now, but what do you mean about data integrity? That stuff can get messed up and deleted or stolen in attacks?
[00:27] <rww> ayup
[00:27] <jtaylor> that can also happen after the release
[00:27] <Lisa92> rww: "ayup" to what? :P
[00:27] <Lisa92> Which one?!
[00:27] <jtaylor> there is not going to be that much change in the remaining week
[00:27] <rww> and after release you have prompt security support without waiting for mirrors and a boatload of QA testing
[00:27] <rww> but hey, apparently jtaylor is volunteering to help you with any and all problems you may have by saying it's fine to install trusty now, so go right ahead
[00:28] <Lisa92> XD
[00:28] <jtaylor> ...
[00:28] <Lisa92> I knew this would happen.
[00:30] <rww> it was kinda foretold by the channel topic, yes :P
[00:31] <Lisa92> rww: I was hoping "Final Beta" was better than "Pre-release version"... :(
[00:31] <rww> final betas /are/ pre-release versons
[00:31] <Lisa92> I know. ;(
[00:31] <Lisa92> But that the last stage was OK to use.
[00:31] <jtaylor> I'm using it since month
[00:32] <jtaylor> as do probably most in this channel
[00:32] <Lisa92> Really? :o
[00:33] <jtaylor> its not that scary
[00:33] <Lisa92> But rww scared me. :(
[00:34] <rww> jtaylor: There are very, very good reasons we dissuade non-developer users from using Ubuntu development releases, and why we have that text in the /topic. If you're going to disagree with that, I hope you're not going to be dropping the users you encourage on the floor support-wise.
[00:34] <jtaylor> make backups, have a second stable release installation available and you are fine
[00:34] <jtaylor> I wouldn't recommend using it before beta if you are unfamiliar with the typical error solving methods for debian based distros
[00:35] <jtaylor> without development release users there is no QA
[00:35] <rww> sure, that doesn't mean you should encourage users who are concerned about safety to use them
[00:35] <rww> there are plenty of people who don't care about things breaking to do QA
[00:36] <Lisa92> rww: It's mostly passwords I'm worried about right now. Are we talking about data loss or hacker attacks? ;(
[00:37] <jtaylor> data loss can always happen, make regular backups
[00:37] <rww> We're talking about "it's not released yet, it has insufficient QA, it is not tested enough for anyone to sanely make assertions of fitness".
[00:37] <Lisa92> Gaah. I understand.
[00:37] <rww> then please stop asking us to do so :P
[00:38] <Lisa92> I will stop now. XD
[00:38] <Lisa92> Thanks for all the help.
[00:38] <Lisa92> Stupid Windows PC... Oh, I'm still here. Hehe.
[00:38] <Lisa92> Well... see you!
[00:41] <DarthFrog> What is the firewall app in Trusty?  there are some programs whose services I can't access (Plex Mediaserver, Calibre ebook library)
[00:41] <rww> ufw, but it's off by default
[00:42] <DarthFrog> I'm running Kubuntu.
[00:42] <rww> same answer applies
[00:43] <DarthFrog> If I do "iptables -F", networking is borked, nothing in or out.
[00:43] <DarthFrog> iptables -L does give a lot of rules, though.
[00:46] <DarthFrog> Where are the default iptables rules set?
[00:47] <DarthFrog> In /usr/share/ufw/iptables?
[00:49] <rww> DarthFrog: does sudo ufw status say it's active, or no?
[00:53] <DarthFrog> rww:  "sudo ufw disable" now allows connections.  So I think I just need to figure out the syntax of "sudo ufw allow" to add new rules for the ports I want to open.
[00:53] <rww> okay, then you turned it on at some point :P
[00:53] <rww> and the basic rule for allowing access to a port from anywhere is sudo ufw allow portnumberhere
[00:54] <DarthFrog> No tcp/udp specification necessary or is the default  to allow both?
[00:54] <DarthFrog> And, no, I didn't turn it on at any point.
[00:55] <rww> Apologies for arguing, but ufw is not and has never been on by default. But anyway.
[00:55] <rww> It defaults to both tcp and udp.
[00:56] <DarthFrog> I wonder if it had been turned on by a previous app installation?  This system has been upgraded from previous versions of Kubuntu.  I don't recall what the original install version was.
[00:56] <rww> Ubuntu packages don't turn it on either :P
[00:56] <DarthFrog> Oh, I'm not arguing about ufw being on by default.
[00:57] <elky> if you find something messing with /etc/ after initial installation of something, report a bug
[00:58] <DarthFrog> It certainly wasn't on in 13.10 as Calibre worked without issue there.  Ugrading to Trusty Beta 1 is when Calibre stopped allowing connections.
[00:58] <elky> it shouldn't mess with /etc/ without asking you
[00:58] <DarthFrog> Hmm, ufw isn't mentioned in /etc/init.d.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Nor in rc2.d or rcS.d
[01:08] <PC1a> hi
[02:08] <dw1> trism: ah, i had removed ibus to get rid of new unnecessary toolbar icon and unity-control-center went with it.... sorry and thanks again :)
[02:10] <dw1> found the system setting to remove icon
[02:14] <trism> dw1: ah, interesting
[02:18] <Guest81088> Hi all, running 14.04 x64- can only delete files no option to move to trash, even when I send to trash it says can't move to trash delete only.
[02:23] <trism> Guest81088: what is: ls -l ~/.local/share/Trash/
[02:25] <trism> Guest81088: sorry that's not what I want: ls -l ~/.local/share/; I'm curious who owns the trash
[02:27] <trism> ahh ls -ld ~/.local/share/Trash/; would do it
[02:35] <MongoDB> I can't wait the new ubuntu
[02:35] <MongoDB> What's new in this release ?
[02:38] <holstein> MongoDB: try it live, and see
[02:38] <holstein> !14.04
[02:52] <Guest81088> Trism: sorry for the delay, I'm a noob, still learning
[02:54] <dw1> so uh, is 14.04 ever going to upgrade past openssl-1.0.1f due to heartbleed?
[02:59] <trism> dw1: the patch is already applied: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/1.0.1f-1ubuntu2
[03:01] <dw1> ahh k
[04:36] <Bonza> hello, im using ubuntu 14.04, i have a program running through wine, i minimized it and now cant maximize i9t, its flashing in the task bar, i cant do anything with it, how to i maximize it ?
[05:32] <dw1> could try running from terminal to see if theres any useful error messages
[05:32] <dw1> though some errors/warnings are pretty common and might be confusing
[05:34] <dw1> many do, but some programs dont work well with wine, ive found.  you can search for programs at http://appdb.winehq.org/ to see what others say about different apps
[06:15] <dw1> playonlinux allows you to easily run diff versions of wine for diff programs
[07:46] <ZatsuneNoMokou> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009997.html how do I record and post result if I wanna try?
[08:14] <elfy> didn't catch you fast enough in #xubuntu
[08:15] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[08:15] <elfy> at the bottom you'll see 32 or 64 bit options - choose whichever
[08:15] <elfy> you need a LP id to be able to report results
[08:30] <hellslinger> hi guys, can someone help me with a boot graphics problem in 14.04? I have an intel i915 on a laptop and I get the "low graphics mode" window when lightdm starts. I've tried nomodeset and that doesn't appear to change anything. What can I do?
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:34] <alket> hi,im using kubuntu 14.04 and sometimes when i boot, all the windows are black except konsole, i have to reboot until it works
[10:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:07] <elhoir> hello folks
[11:07] <elhoir> i have a problem ith the grub boot menu
[11:08] <elhoir> in the kernel list, its alternatively "written" in english and spanish
[11:08] <elhoir> not only spanish
[11:08] <elhoir> how can i fix it?
[11:11] <Crashbit> mm, I have Ubuntu in Catalan, but I don't understand, my grub menu and submenus shows text in Catalan but names of kernels in English. It's normal
[11:14] <elhoir> Crashbit, no, its not the problem
[11:14] <elhoir> for instance, 1st sentence is "Ubuntu, con kernel xxxxxxx"
[11:14] <elhoir> and netx is "Ubuntu, with kernel xxxxxxx..."
[11:14] <elhoir> next*
[11:14] <Crashbit> ah, ok
[11:15] <elhoir> and so on, alternatively
[11:15] <Crashbit> And next is another kernel or the same
[11:15] <elhoir> for every kernel i have installed
[11:15] <Crashbit> another, ok
[11:15] <elhoir> CraHan, another
[11:15] <elhoir> Crashbit, another
[11:16] <elhoir> i have just found it is called that way in the grub.cfg file
[11:16] <elhoir> dunno why it isnt automatically corrected/translated
[11:19] <Crashbit> mm, yep! I have the same problem elhoir
[11:20] <elhoir> good to see im not the only one....
[11:20] <elhoir> so, which package i should report a bug to?
[11:20] <elhoir> grub-pc?
[11:21] <Crashbit> wait, i'm looking
[11:27] <Crashbit> yes, maybe grub-pc
[11:32] <elhoir> and i have just found that those sentences ir english are all the "recovery mode" entries
[11:32] <elhoir> the normal ones are in spanish
[11:32] <elhoir> O_O
[11:35] <elhoir> Crashbit, ok i reported as a bug.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1306934
[11:52] <elhoir> does an yone know any fix/woraround for this problem?
[11:52] <elhoir> anyone*
[13:21] <ghostcube> hi folks, iam running 14.04 latest beta from yesterday and i use a ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[13:22] <ghostcube> with wicd as network manager. everything worked fine till i updated from 13.10 to 14.04. now it sems the wlan0 gets a loss for the network connection but i dont know why
[13:22] <ghostcube> i cant resolve any nameserver after random time
[13:23] <ghostcube> if i reconnect with the network it works again. for some time and then it stops ... i dont get the problem
[13:28] <ghostcube> kernel 3.13.0-24-generic  modul: r8712u release Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[13:52] <euryale> hi guys :)
[13:52] <euryale> how do i install radeon hd 8400 driver for ubuntu 14.04 daily build?
[13:54] <Axizor> Are there any known installation bugs with 14.04 b2 64bit desktop?
[13:54] <Axizor> Like when the gui for the installer loads, it crashes and reboots my workstation about 5-10'sec later
[13:57] <lordievader> euryale: If you want to fglrx driver you can install it through the jockey (usually called 'Additional Drivers'). Or simply use the open-source radeon driver, then you don't have to install anything.
[13:59] <euryale> ok.
[14:00] <euryale> i dont have additional drivers popping up on the panel.
[14:00] <Axizor> Installing the catalyst ones aren't hard
[14:00] <euryale> nor i see in the system settings.
[14:00] <euryale> i have the beta2 of catalyst 14
[14:00] <Axizor> I'd install through command line
[14:01] <euryale> i mean beta1 march 12, 2014.
[14:02] <Axizor> Do you have the driver packaged unpacked somewhere
[14:03] <elhoir> euryale, im running a radeon 8400 with open source radeon driver with no problems
[14:03] <elhoir> euryale, i have installed kernel 3.14, it seems to be more optimized for APUs
[14:03] <Axizor> the open source amd driver isn't that good lol
[14:03] <Axizor> In fact it's pretty shitty
[14:04] <elhoir> Axizor, well, it works well for me
[14:04] <Axizor> Oh Eurydice has an APU eh?
[14:04] <euryale> @elhoir. really?
[14:04] <Axizor> Sorry for messing your name up, it was the ipad
[14:04] <elhoir> euryale, yup
[14:04] <Axizor> I have an APU too
[14:04] <Axizor> Open source drivers always were bad with it
[14:04] <euryale> @elhoir. can u point me where to download the open source driver for apu?
[14:04] <elhoir> euryale, since i installed kernel 3.14, unity works much more fluent in my notebook
[14:05] <euryale> nice :)
[14:05] <elhoir> euryale, open source driver??
[14:05] <Axizor> Euryale, why do you want an open source driver?
[14:05] <euryale> yep
[14:05] <Axizor> Lol
[14:05] <euryale> ahm lol
[14:05] <lordievader> Axizor: The opensource one works fine here too.
[14:05] <euryale> my mistake hehe
[14:05] <elhoir> euryale, you dont need another driver - just xserver-xorg-video-radeon :)
[14:05] <Axizor> Just download the latest linux package and install through command line
[14:05] <Axizor> It will probably be the most stable
[14:06] <euryale> i have is the linux amd catalyst 14.3
[14:06] <euryale> beta1
[14:06] <elhoir> the stuff you need is this ---->  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/
[14:06] <Axizor> It's been a while since I've done it so just google around and you'll find resources
[14:06] <Axizor> Ok euryale, place it somewhere meaningful and extract the package
[14:06] <Axizor> Then cd to it
[14:06] <Axizor> Google what the commands are and install it
[14:07] <Axizor> It's very easy
[14:07] <euryale> yes i kinda know how :D
[14:07] <Axizor> Well what's the problem?
[14:07] <Axizor> Maybe I just showed up too late :p
[14:07] <euryale> wait, which is better upgrade to kernel 3.14 or install the amd driver?
[14:07] <Axizor> Lol that's a poor question
[14:07] <Axizor> You should do both
[14:07] <euryale> lol
[14:07] <euryale> ok
[14:08] <euryale> gonna install the amd driver first or the upgrade kernel 1st?
[14:08] <Axizor> I'd do the kernel first
[14:08] <elhoir> euryale, i only upgraded kernel
[14:08] <Axizor> I say if kernel fixes it for you stop there
[14:08] <euryale> ok. can u provide me the script to upgrade the kernel?
[14:09] <Axizor> Unless you need something from the drivers
[14:09] <elhoir> euryale,  all you need is in the link i gave you
[14:09] <euryale> @elhoir. ok
[14:09] <Axizor> You're on trusty?
[14:10] <euryale> yes
[14:10] <Axizor> And it doesn't ship with kernel 3.14?
[14:10] <Axizor> Oh yeah it doesn't
[14:10] <euryale> its 3.13
[14:11] <Axizor> Lol thanks elhoir
[14:11] <Axizor> Planned on putting ubuntu back on an APU machine
[14:11] <elhoir> Axizor, :)
[14:11] <Axizor> I knew a later linux kernel had better support
[14:11] <Axizor> I assumed trusty was gonna ship with it
[14:11] <euryale> @elhoir. what link is that again, i cant find it.
[14:11] <Axizor> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/
[14:11] <elhoir> euryale, --- http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/
[14:12] <elhoir> 3.14 resolved performance for me
[14:12] <Axizor> euryale, what desktop?
[14:12] <euryale> ok i 4got what architecture i have installed lol
[14:12] <Axizor> Uh oh
[14:12] <elhoir> euryale, uname -a
[14:12] <euryale> amd laptop.
[14:12] <euryale> ok
[14:12] <Axizor> That won't help
[14:13] <Axizor> Btw
[14:13] <elhoir> Axizor, i bet unity
[14:13] <Axizor> "Amd64" doesn't mean only amd chips
[14:13] <euryale> it says Linux euryale-pc 3.13.0-19-generic #40-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 24 02:36:06 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:13] <Axizor> If your amd chip is 32, use the intel x86 build
[14:13] <elhoir> euryale, so its a 64bit system :)
[14:13] <euryale> oh nice :)
[14:13] <Axizor> Yeah elhoir, probably
[14:14] <Axizor> Is unity still slow as molasses and a resource hog?
[14:14] <euryale> @elhoir. the link you gave me, its a deb installer?
[14:14] <elhoir> all files are .deb
[14:15] <elhoir> you have to download them, open a terminal, cd Downloads, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[14:15] <Axizor> Just use software manager euryale if you don't know how to install through command
[14:15] <elhoir> and you're done
[14:15] <euryale> nice i don't have to type it lol. i installed gdebi package installer.
[14:15] <Axizor> Lazy
[14:15] <Axizor> Lol jk :p
[14:15] <elhoir> dont use it
[14:15] <euryale> lol hehe
[14:15] <elhoir> gdebi is for individual files
[14:15] <elhoir> and you have to install 3 files in a row :)
[14:16] <euryale> getting confuse.. can i use unzip command for this.
[14:16] <Axizor> Ubuntu has a built in one euryale
[14:16] <elhoir> unzip? no!
[14:16] <Axizor> No euryale
[14:16] <euryale> ok ok hehe.
[14:16] <euryale> not really new to ubuntu but still a newbie lol
[14:16] <Axizor> It's fine we're all a little clueless first time around
[14:17] <elhoir> aury
[14:17] <elhoir> you have to download these files
[14:17] <elhoir> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-headers-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64.deb
[14:17] <Axizor> My suggestion is to research unix permissions if you plan on using linux
[14:17] <elhoir> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-headers-3.14.0-031400_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_all.deb
[14:17] <Axizor> Know them in and out
[14:17] <elhoir> and http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-image-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64.deb
[14:17] <elhoir> euryale, , sorry
[14:17] <euryale> @elhoir. :D
[14:18] <elhoir> download the files i have typed
[14:18] <Axizor> Hey elhoir can you do me a favor
[14:18] <elhoir> Axizor, tell me
[14:18] <Axizor> I'm on irc on an ipad. I'm gonna switch over to a desktop, will you just copy and paste those three links for me please
[14:18] <euryale> @elhoir. downloading now..
[14:18] <Axizor> When I say
[14:19] <elhoir> Axizor, sure
[14:19] <Axizor> Thanks man just one sec
[14:19] <elhoir> euryale, ok, open a terminal and go to your Downloads folder
[14:19] <euryale> wait it's still downloading about 27min to finish.
[14:19] <axizor_> alright elhoir, could you plaste those links?
[14:20] <elhoir> axizor_, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-headers-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64.deb
[14:20] <elhoir> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-image-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64.deb
[14:20] <elhoir> and
[14:20] <elhoir> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-image-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64.deb
[14:20] <axizor_> perfect, thanks. i appreciate it
[14:20] <elhoir> euryale, doesnt matter, its just for you to know what do you have to do when downloaded
[14:21] <elhoir> axizor_, i repeated one link, sorry
[14:21] <elhoir> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/linux-headers-3.14.0-031400_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_all.deb
[14:21] <elhoir> this one too
[14:23] <axizor_> so 2 total?
[14:24] <elhoir> 3
[14:24] <axizor_> oh, ok
[14:24] <axizor_> sorry, its hard just looking at the URL xD
[14:24] <elhoir> axizor_, its easy, go here --->   http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-trusty/
[14:25] <axizor_> oh yeah doh
[14:25] <elhoir> then grab the generic amd64 image and headers
[14:25] <elhoir> and the one for "all" architectures :)
[14:25] <axizor_> thank you :)
[14:26] <elhoir> you, re welcome
[14:26] <axizor_> hey elhoir, i dont know much about nix, what is the difference between the "generic" and "lowlatency" kernel packages?
[14:27] <elhoir> "lowlatency" provides low-latency audio drivers
[14:27] <elhoir> enables real-time scheduling in the kernel
[14:27] <axizor_> ah, i see
[14:27] <elhoir> not needed generally
[14:28] <euryale> @elhoir. darn my internet is slow, still 20min +
[14:28] <euryale> @elhoir. darn my internet is slow, still 20min +
[14:28] <elhoir> :)
[14:28] <axizor_> what are you downloading?
[14:28] <elhoir> axizor_, kernel is >100 MB
[14:28] <euryale> the kernel 3.14
[14:29] <elhoir> well, ok, it isnt its a 50 MB download
[14:29] <axizor_> ^^
[14:29] <axizor_> :)
[14:29] <euryale> wait, i have to download 3 files?
[14:29] <axizor_> no kidding euryale, you do have slow internet
[14:29] <axizor_> yes
[14:29] <elhoir> euryale, yes, 3 files
[14:30] <elhoir> but dont worry, only one is heavy :)
[14:30] <euryale> oh. i got lost what is the 1st 2nd and 3rd.
[14:30] <elhoir> the 2 others are light
[14:30] <euryale> ok
[14:30] <axizor_> which sequential order should i follow
[14:31] <axizor_> in the installation of the 3
[14:31] <elhoir> axizor_, just "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[14:31] <euryale> yes same question here :)
[14:31] <elhoir> and let system do it for you :)
[14:31] <axizor_> oh, ok
[14:31] <axizor_> fair enough
[14:32] <axizor_> man, 14.04 does not install on my workstation
[14:32] <elhoir> ??
[14:32] <elhoir> why?
[14:32] <axizor_> i have no idea
[14:32] <axizor_> once the gui of the installer loads
[14:32] <axizor_> it crashes and the machine reboots
[14:33] <axizor_> i tried beta 2 and the latest build
[14:33] <axizor_> no luck
[14:33] <elhoir> ugh
[14:33] <axizor_> :'(
[14:33] <axizor_> "Pre-release versions are unstable and will probably break your computer somehow."
[14:33] <axizor_> Lol, how appropiate
[14:33] <axizor_> That makes me nervous, launch is in 5 days
[14:34]  * elhoir installed 14.04 in his APU notebook from a daily build with no problems
[14:34] <axizor_> what apu arch?
[14:34] <elhoir> amd
[14:34] <elhoir> same as euryale
[14:34] <axizor_> sorry, i mean generation
[14:34] <elhoir> amd a6-5200
[14:35] <axizor_> ah, ok
[14:35] <axizor_> i have an 15 6400k desktop chip
[14:35] <elhoir> with radeon HD 8400
[14:35] <axizor_> a6, not 15 ugh
[14:35] <euryale> yeah amd a6-5200 :)
[14:35] <axizor_> is there mantle on linux yet?
[14:35] <elhoir> euryale, thats why i have been quick at the answer :P
[14:35] <euryale> ;)
[14:36] <axizor_> Maybe this will push me over the edge and try installing ubuntu server
[14:36] <elhoir> ubuntu... server??
[14:36] <axizor_> I can handle it, but it will probably take me 3x longer to do everything xD
[14:37] <axizor_> Maybe ubuntu
[14:37] <elhoir> ubuntu server wont set up any X server for you
[14:37] <elhoir> of course, forget about gnome, kde, lxfce.... :)
[14:37] <axizor_> yeah i'm aware :)
[14:38] <axizor_> i need to start getting familiar with nix soon though
[14:38] <axizor_> i want to make it a career one day
[14:38] <axizor_> well, more networking but nix is almost equally important to know
[14:39] <euryale> 18min - to download a 50mb a file...
[14:39] <axizor_> dial up?
[14:39] <euryale> no, wimax. im using a wireless router, im not the only one using the connection :(
[14:40] <axizor_> ugh wimax
[14:40] <euryale> why, is it really slow?
[14:40] <axizor_> compared to lte
[14:40] <axizor_> yes
[14:40] <euryale> my max download speed is 2mb :)
[14:40] <euryale> lol
[14:40] <euryale> im not familiar with lte.
[14:40] <axizor_> yeah, thats below most standard 3g scores
[14:41] <axizor_> where do you live?
[14:41] <euryale> haha 3rd world country, the best...
[14:41] <axizor_> ah
[14:42] <euryale> in the US, 5mb is the standard?
[14:42] <axizor_> elhoir: do you have a uefi or bios
[14:42] <axizor_> euryale: its something like that for the average
[14:42] <elhoir> axizor_, it was uefi, but i selected legacy BIOS
[14:42] <axizor_> although many, many americans live with less
[14:43] <euryale> i see.
[14:43] <axizor_> elhoir: i wonder if I try installing with legacy bios it will work
[14:43] <elhoir> axizor_, try it
[14:43] <axizor_> will do
[14:43] <axizor_>  personally, i have 16mbps, but for a very long time I lived with 1-4
[14:43] <axizor_> it varied over the years
[14:43] <euryale> @elhoir. what laptop do u have? i have here is HP 2000 notebook.
[14:43] <axizor_> internet price in the US is crazy high though
[14:44] <axizor_> although probably not as high as places like where your at, unforunately
[14:44] <elhoir> euryale, Acer Aspire E1-522
[14:44] <euryale> same here axizor.
[14:44] <euryale> oh, i thought we have the same :)
[14:44] <elhoir> euryale, http://www.pccomponentes.com/acer_aspire_e1_522_amd_a6_5200_8gb_1tb_15_6_.html
[14:45] <euryale> wow you're laptop has a better specs there :)
[14:45] <ccTLS> Hello everyone!I need some help.I was installed The Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 Beta 2,How to find out gnome version.thanks!
[14:45] <euryale> lol i mean: your laptop.
[14:46] <elhoir> :)
[14:46] <ikonia> ccTLS: the about tab
[14:46] <ikonia> or the package versions
[14:46] <ccTLS> the about tab no have anything
[14:47] <ccTLS> Thanks
[14:47] <ccTLS> in shell find out the package versions command is what?
[14:48] <ikonia> ccTLS: I don't mean to be rude about this, but why ar eyou trying to do this ? did you not read anything about the distro you are installing ?
[14:48] <ikonia> ccTLS: it should all be listed in on the website of the gnome release what versions are included
[14:48] <ikonia> you're using pre-release software, yet you don't seem to understand the very basics of the dsitro
[14:48] <ikonia> this is a bad idea
[14:49] <ccTLS> ennnn..... I want upgrade my gnome to 3.12,but I don't know what is my old version
[14:49] <ikonia> ccTLS: then why do you want to upgrade
[14:49] <ikonia> for all you know you may be using 3.12 ?
[14:49] <axizor_> damn MSI makes the cheapest crap motherboards lol
[14:49] <ikonia> and if you're not using 3.12 - you'd have to use something outside the distro, which is very bad
[14:49] <axizor_> it took like 5 attempts before the bios finally decided to boot from a d sic
[14:50] <ikonia> axizor_: not really anything to do with this channel
[14:50] <ccTLS> I like newest gnome,nice and fastest
[14:50] <axizor_> ikonia: no, it was just a side note is that ok?
[14:50] <ikonia> ccTLS: how do you know you like it ? you don't even know if you have it
[14:51] <ccTLS> ikonia:thanks buddy!
[14:51] <euryale> @elhoir. eta 5min to download.
[14:51] <elhoir> good
[14:52] <axizor_> elhoir, no luck with legacy+uefi :(
[14:54] <elhoir> hmm..
[14:54] <elhoir> the only problem i had is with GPT partition table
[14:54] <elhoir> but installed didnt crash
[14:57] <euryale> @elhoir. its done :)
[14:57] <elhoir> euryale, good. Open a terminal
[14:58] <euryale> its opened.
[14:58] <elhoir> cd to your downloads folder
[14:58] <elhoir> usually cd ~/Downloads
[14:59] <euryale> ok
[14:59] <euryale> sudo dpkg -i??
[14:59] <elhoir> ls *.deb (to confirm the only .deb files you have in there are the downloaded ones)
[14:59] <ccTLS> ikonia:thanks My GNOME version is GNOME-shell 3.10.4 via command gonme-shell --version
[14:59] <euryale> eyp
[14:59] <euryale> yep
[15:00] <elhoir> euryale, then now you can "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[15:00] <euryale> ok
[15:01] <euryale> unpacking...
[15:01] <euryale> is -i for install?
[15:02] <elhoir> yes
[15:02] <elhoir> :)
[15:02] <lordievader> !info gnome-common trusty
[15:02] <euryale> oh im learning here :)
[15:02] <euryale> its finish.
[15:02] <elhoir> finish? how many .deb files installed?
[15:02] <axizor_> euryale: if you spend time in irc you will learn a lot :)
[15:03] <euryale> :D
[15:03] <euryale> yes finish. how many deb files? i dont know..
[15:03] <euryale> 4?
[15:03] <axizor_> 3
[15:03] <axizor_> right?
[15:03] <elhoir> 3
[15:03] <elhoir> should be 3
[15:03] <euryale> its 4
[15:04] <axizor_> oh he downloaded one of them twice
[15:04] <axizor_> find the copy
[15:04] <elhoir> or downloaded a useless one :)
[15:04] <axizor_> true
[15:04] <euryale> ah :)
[15:04] <euryale> what should i do next?
[15:04] <elhoir> euryale, reboo twith the new kernel
[15:04] <elhoir> and you should be done
[15:05] <elhoir> euryale, theres no need to reboot now if you dont want to
[15:05] <euryale> okkkiiess i hope things go smoothly :)
[15:05] <euryale> i will, be back guys, and thank u :)
[15:05] <elhoir> just shut down your computer normally when you want to, and boot it up again when you want to with the new kernel
[15:05] <axizor_> take care
[15:05] <euryale> brb
[15:06] <elhoir> this resolved my performance issues, hope it helps others too :)
[15:06] <axizor_> "Installs on very small memory systems may fail to start or exit without completing with no error. It is recommended that swap be created before install for such systems. Please see advice about adding and activating swap at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq (1172161)"
[15:06] <axizor_> should i try that elhoir ^
[15:07] <axizor_> (i'm not memory limited though, have 8gb)
[15:07] <axizor_> yeah, creating a swap wont help
[15:08] <elhoir> axizor_, not needed, imho
[15:08] <elhoir> i have 8 gb too
[15:08] <axizor_> is there another way to install?
[15:09] <euryale> im back
[15:09] <axizor_> :)
[15:09] <euryale> nice
[15:10] <euryale> but why the hotcorner doesn't work?
[15:10] <axizor_> i have no idea on that one
[15:10] <elhoir> hotcorner?
[15:10] <euryale> its faster :)
[15:10] <elhoir> euryale, what about performance? :)
[15:10] <elhoir> good! :)
[15:10] <euryale> yeah, the one i assigned in unity tweak.
[15:11] <euryale> the previous one is like fast but kinda choppy in terms of animation.
[15:11] <axizor_> i know exactly what you mean
[15:12] <axizor_> hey elhoir, would downloading a different distro like kubuntu make a difference?
[15:12] <euryale> thanks elhoir :)
[15:14] <axizor_> oh, and is that kernel ok for any ubuntu based distro?
[15:14] <elhoir> axizor_, yes, i think
[15:14] <elhoir> euryale, you`re welcome :)
[15:15] <euryale> :)
[15:16] <johnjohn101> 5 more days
[15:17] <euryale> when i installed the deb file using dpkg -i it also installed the 2 dependencies?
[15:17]  * elhoir has 14.04 since November :P
[15:17] <axizor_> yes
[15:17]  * elhoir loves risk 
[15:17] <axizor_> what pushed you to upgrade so early?
[15:17] <euryale> nice, so elhoir said awhile ago, gdebi is only for individual files.
[15:17] <euryale> me?
[15:18] <axizor_> no, elhoir
[15:18] <axizor_> he's been using a prerelease for 5 month 0_0
[15:18] <euryale> lol
[15:18] <axizor_> That's like saying "I ate a bowl of nails for breakfast..."
[15:18] <johnjohn101> elhoir:  i installed alpha 1 then it broke then alpha 2 since but on a vm.  just removed the 3.11 kernel from my system!!
[15:19] <axizor_> "...Without any milk."
[15:19] <johnjohn101> i wouldn't have used 14.04 for any production/critical systems. still have some more testing
[15:20] <euryale> Thanks guys, gonna rest now.
[15:20] <axizor_> Take it easy
[15:20] <euryale> :)
[15:21] <johnjohn101> any word on what 14.10 will have?
[15:28] <elhoir> johnjohn101, relax man, even 14.04 hasnt been released yet :P
[15:28] <elhoir> but, pulseaudio 5.0 is out
[15:29] <elhoir> so i bet 14.10 will ship it
[15:30] <axizor_> yeah elhoir kubuntu crashes too, 14.04 doenst like my computer :\
[15:30] <elhoir> :(
[15:30] <axizor_> i'll try again in 5 days
[15:30] <elhoir> question is... why?
[15:30] <axizor_> then most likely again in a week or so
[15:30] <axizor_> I wish i knew the answer
[15:31] <ikonia> axizor_: have you actually looked at the problem
[15:31] <ikonia> what components are crashing
[15:31] <ikonia> how/why are they crashing
[15:31] <axizor_> no, thats why im here ")
[15:31] <axizor_> I don't know how, i'm a nix beginner
[15:31] <ikonia> then why are you using pre-release software ?
[15:32] <axizor_> Few reasons
[15:32] <elhoir> ikonia,  i used pre-release software and it installed with no major problems
[15:32] <ikonia> elhoir: what has that got to do with what I just said ?
[15:32] <axizor_> I don't want to get into them, but I had some problems with earlier versions
[15:33] <axizor_> ikonia: it comes out in 5 days lol
[15:33] <ikonia> axizor_: if you're new to linux, using pre-release software is a bad idea
[15:33] <axizor_> this isn't a pre alpha version
[15:33] <lordievader> Development releases aren't ment for beginners. They are ment for people who know what they are doing.
[15:33] <axizor_> 5 days away ikonia :)
[15:33] <ikonia> axizor_: it doesn't matter if it's 5 days or 5 weeks
[15:33] <axizor_> Sure it does, do you know how software development pans out over time?
[15:33] <ikonia> axizor_: I'd say I'm pretty aware
[15:34] <axizor_> Alright, then other than you're pre-release principle, what other reason shouldn't I be running 14.04?
[15:34] <elhoir> axizor_, no other
[15:34] <axizor_> Exactly :)
[15:35] <axizor_> It's a closed minded way of thinking, but it is logical so I respect people's opinions
[15:35] <ikonia> axizor_: if you're new to linux, how to debug and resolve problems that are either a.) genuine problems b.) not problems but user error due to experience can waste a lot of time and effort for yourself, and others fixing problems that don't exist
[15:35] <ikonia> axizor_: it's not closed minded at all, that's just nonsense
[15:35] <ikonia> it's common sense
[15:35] <elhoir> pre-release stuff are for people who dont mind facing bugs
[15:35] <elhoir> and for those situations, ubuntu ships a so easy way to report those bugs
[15:36] <axizor_> ikonia, im not arguing with you
[15:36] <ikonia> axizor_: well, calling me close minded seems like you are
[15:36] <axizor_> but this line"axizor_: it doesn't matter if it's 5 days or 5 weeks" is being close minded
[15:36] <ikonia> axizor_: no, it's not
[15:36] <axizor_> ok
[15:36] <ikonia> again, it's common sense and experience
[15:37] <axizor_> It's in a final beta stage
[15:37] <ikonia> so ?
[15:37] <ikonia> it's still being worked on
[15:37] <ikonia> critical bugs are still being patched
[15:37] <axizor_> Yeah, and will continue to be wokred on for a LONG time
[15:37] <ikonia> err no
[15:37] <elhoir> :)
[15:37] <axizor_> No eh?
[15:37] <ikonia> rather than development mode
[15:37] <ikonia> it will be worked on until release then go into maintenance mode
[15:38] <elhoir> axizor_, if you consider bugfixing as being workeed on, then yes :)
[15:38] <axizor_> Yeah, I do
[15:38] <elhoir> then yes
[16:00] <zequence> elhoir: -generic is more tuned towards servers, while -lowlatency is a bit more preemptive and better suited for desktop use
[16:01] <elhoir> zequence, you have -server for servers :)
[16:01] <zequence> We package if for Ubuntu Studio, mainly for audio use - where, for instance, if you want to play on a soft synth, you can get the latency down so the sounds come just a few ms after a keyboards press
[16:01] <zequence> elhoir: There's no such kernel anymore
[16:02] <zequence> -generic is the server kernel
[16:02] <elhoir> ahhh, yeah, i see
[16:02] <zequence> the focus with that kernel is to get as much data through the processor as possible
[16:02] <zequence> on -lowlatency, the throughput is sacrificed for preemptiveness
[16:03] <elhoir> zequence, so you recommend -lowlatency for desktop ?
[16:03] <zequence> I've heard something like 10-20% less throughput on -lowlatency
[16:03] <zequence> elhoir: If you ever need to play a soft synth, then yes
[16:03] <zequence> or, you want to do any form of live monitoring, that requires low latency
[16:03] <elhoir> not many times, actually , but who knows :)
[16:04] <elhoir> i like playing wioth sound and video :)
[16:05] <zequence> The two kernels are almost identical. There's just a diff in two config options
[17:35] <aguitel> where is minimal iso of 14.04  ?
[17:36] <holstein> !mini
[17:36] <holstein> may not be one yet.. not sure
[17:38] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ is probably the most like it.. though, not as handy and small
[17:39] <TJ-> aguitel: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[17:39] <aguitel> TJ-, ok
[18:04] <ejo> Hi. My system is taking longer than it should between accepting my password at login and when my unity session is ready to use.  Where should I start looking if I want to diagnose this?
[18:05] <bekks> ejo: How long is "longer than it should take"?
[18:05] <ejo> Note: I had the same trouble in 13.10 before upgrading to 14.04 final beta, in fact slightly worse.  And not the entire time, only the past two months.
[18:05] <ejo> thanks bekks: it's about 30 to 45 seconds, varies a little each time, and used to be more like 5 sec.
[18:07] <ejo> The fact that this began somewhere during the middle of using 13.10 makes me think it's likely related to packages installed.  I generally don't enable 3rd-party repositories except one for emacs.
[18:08] <ejo> is there a "starting up the unity session" log I could check, similar to diagnosing startup problems via boot log?
[18:11] <ejo> Incidentally: absolutely loving Trusty on both my laptop (clean install) and desktop (upgrade over 13.10) with no major issues and the minor ones so far resolved by updates
[18:13] <Janusz> Hello. When I play a WideLands for a while, then Ubuntu log-in screen appears and I can do nothing - I'm not able to write my password, and only hardware reset helps.
[18:13] <holstein> what is "a widelands" ?
[18:14] <jtaylor> sounds like X crashing
[18:14] <penguin42> Janusz: I'm assuming that's a game, are you sure it's the login screen and not a screen lock? If it's a login screen then I suggest your X server has crashed
[18:15] <Janusz> penguin42, The point is that I cannot back to use system.
[18:15] <penguin42> Janusz: Well if you've got another machine on your network you could try and login and see what the state is, alternatively when you reboot go and see if there is anything in the logs
[18:16] <Janusz> penguin42, When can I find these logs?
[18:16] <holstein> determine if it is for sure x crashing, and what is crashing it.. which is likely the game
[18:16] <Janusz> Where*
[18:17] <penguin42> Janusz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is normally a good place to look for X crashes next time you log back in
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[18:19] <Janusz> penguin42, last line sounds: "[   119.971] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file."
[18:23] <ejo> On my 3-button mouse, the interpretation of middle and right buttons got swapped on upgrade to 14.04.  Is there a way to change that without resorting to things like xmodmap?  Doesn't seem like an OS upgrade should alter something so basic.
[18:32] <nf7> Has anyone gotten a Spotlight (from OSX) like app working on 14.04? Synapse worked great for me before but I can't seem to get it to work on 14.04. Synapse-Indicator was another good one that worked fine, but apparently you can't map a hotkey to it so it's essentially useless. Any other suggestions?
[18:33] <bekks> nf7: whats spotlight?
[18:34] <beidl> nf7, well, doesn't the unity dash serve exactly that purpose?
[18:35] <nf7> beidl: Dash is slow and unresponsive. So no.
[18:35] <nf7> It also takes up the entire screen.
[18:36] <beidl> nf7, not slow for me, but of course, ymmv. I actually remember indicator-synapse having a hotkey option, but maybe they removed that
[18:37] <nf7> bekks: This is spotlight: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2531 , Synapse and Synapse-Indicator are both excellent replacements (well, Spotlight can actually look at a files data, but I don't really care about that), but those problems I mentioned before stop me from using them.
[18:37] <nf7> beidl: I don't really mean slow in the computing speed sense, I should have used "heavy". I like spotlight (and the linux alternatives) because they are minimal and to the point.
[18:37] <nf7> beidl: Dash is the exact opposite.
[18:38] <nf7> beidl: Plus I just don't like looking at anything in icon view, I much prefer a list mode where I can have a ton of results in a very small space.
[18:39] <beidl> nf7, I can see that point, it just all comes down to preference. :) doesn't indicator-synapse show up via ctrl+space
[18:39] <beidl> ?
[18:40] <nf7> beidl: No it doesn't, and hasn't for a long while apparently.
[18:40] <beidl> nf7, http://nerdanswer.com/answer.php?q=395661
[18:41] <nf7> beidl: This is just a guy with the same problem? And no one has answered the question.
[18:42] <nf7> beidl: The dconf-edit doesn't work apparently.
[18:42] <beidl> nf7, what I meant was have you tried fiddling around with the dconf setting
[18:42] <nf7> beidl: No I haven't, but I guess I should try it anyway.
[18:59] <jjavaholic> !mediascanner-service-2
[19:05] <trism> !info mediascanner2.0 | jjavaholic
[19:05] <trism> that's what apt-file tells me anyway
[19:07] <Volkodav> still no other apps in notification area in xfce - is that a bug?
[19:33] <flybyray> can i use the daily zsync iso with the comming release zsync iso?
[19:34] <jtaylor> yes
[19:35] <bekks> How would I use that zsync iso?
[19:36] <trism> bekks: -i
[19:37] <flybyray> ok thx for the '-i' option i read it in german ubuntu wiki ( http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/zsync )
[19:38] <bekks> trism: Thankyou :)
[19:39] <flybyray> probably  there are only minor changes in the coming release, that is why i asked for zsync
[19:40] <bekks> So I can use an existing beta2 iso, and "update" it to the latest daily iso using zsync?
[19:43] <bekks> Hmm, where can I find a daily build of the amd64 server? All I can see is the beta2 and the desktop?
[19:44] <flybyray> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[19:44] <bekks> thanks a lot :)
[20:32] <bekks> Noooooo, TJ- left already :(
[20:35] <macscam> can someone help install to partition... i am already running 14.04
[20:37] <bekks> If you already run 14.04, you already partitioned.
[20:37] <k1l_> !details | macscam
[20:38] <k1l_> "my car doesnt work" is not a good description for your mechanic, too :)
[20:38] <macscam> i am currectly runnung 14 from the usb
[20:38] <macscam> i dont know how to install it to a partition i made
[20:39] <macscam> it is a 200 gig fat32 partition
[20:39]  * penguin42 wonders what the live cds dated today are in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:39] <macscam> mount point /boot
[20:39] <k1l_> when the installer asks where to install choose that partition. or make some more partition for / /home and /swap if needed
[20:40] <bekks> penguin42: Open the site in a browser, look at the date.
[20:41] <penguin42> bekks: I did - they're dated today
[20:41] <penguin42> bekks: Which is what's surprising me
[20:41] <bekks> penguin42: Uhm, why?
[20:41] <bekks> they are named "daily" not "yesterday"? :)
[20:42] <penguin42> bekks: Because we're past final freeze
[20:42] <macscam> k1l_ ok it doesnt say anything about  /home or /swap
[20:42] <bekks> penguin42: And why shouldnt there be a daily of today then?
[20:42] <penguin42> bekks: Basically, I'm looking for an iso which includes the openssl fix and was wondering if those have them - but it's a bit difficult to know without grabbing it
[20:42] <penguin42> bekks: Well if it was frozen on the 10th then it would be frozen
[20:42] <k1l_> macscam: if you want to partitionate manually then do it. or choose ubuntu to use that one partition
[20:43] <macscam> k1l_ i need to partition maually because i want to install alongside windows
[20:44] <bekks> penguin42: Important bugs are still fixed, like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1292628
[20:44] <k1l_> macscam: there should be an automated "install alongside windows" option (if you dont use fancy windows install settings)
[20:44] <bekks> penguin42: That bug was fixed yesterday and the fix was incorporated into todays daily.
[20:44] <k1l_> macscam: but i suggest you make at least 2 partitions out if that one: one ~~20-30GB for / and the rest for /home
[20:44] <bekks> penguin42: final freeze does not mean "no, we wont fix bugs for a week now"
[20:45] <penguin42> bekks: Oh so it's more slushy then....
[20:45] <k1l_> macscam: then you chose that both partitions in the installer and tell the installer to use them (mount them) as / and /home.
[20:45] <penguin42> bekks: Every project has a different idea of how frozen a freeze is and how final a final is :-)
[20:45] <bekks> penguin42: finnal freeze refers to "feature freeze", not to "bug fix fixing freeze"
[20:46] <penguin42> bekks: Thanks
[20:46] <macscam> k1l_ ok what sizes should they be
[20:47] <k1l_> macscam:as i said: / is just for the system and 20-30 GB are enough. rest for /home
[20:57] <penguin42> bekks: Good, last nights live does have openssl 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2 openssl which seems to have the latest fixes
[20:58] <bekks> penguin42: Yeah.
[20:58] <k1l_> !sslbug | penguin42
[20:58] <penguin42> bekks: It's in particular a secure live CD I want rather than being able to do updates
[20:59] <bekks> penguin42: For me its pretty important for being to actually kickstart 14.04 instead of 12.04 :)
[21:02] <penguin42> bekks: In my case I tend to boot VMs off liveCDs for anything I want to do really securely
[23:23] <euryale> Goodmorning guys ;)
[23:23] <euryale> do i still need to install amd driver after upgrading the kernel to 3.14?
[23:41] <bekks> If you installed it manually from the .run - yes.
[23:53] <euryale> @bekks. no i havent installed the amd driver. just upgraded the kernel and now im thinking installing the amd driver.