[12:51] <sandrocm> qualcuno è riuscito ad utilizzare una scheda audio esterna-es. saffire 6 usb
[12:52] <cfhowlett> !it|sandrocm
[12:52] <sandrocm> Grazie, scusa
[16:29] <delt> this is weird.... renoise and pianoteq (both using alsa) can coexist with jackd, but other programs using pulse or alsa (mplayer, firefox/swf, etc) nope....
[16:30] <delt> atm i have jackd, renoise, and pianoteq all using alsa, everything is running fine. but jackd seems to be blocking other programs from using the sound card.
[16:30] <holstein> delt: keep in mind, nothing about jack, or linux prevents flsah from supporting them
[16:30] <delt> (copypasta from #xubuntu)
[16:30] <holstein> delt: what do i do? i stop jack, and use the machine when i want things like that
[16:30] <zequence> delt: use the pulseaudio jack module
[16:30] <holstein> delt: what can you do? make sure the pulse dbus is on, and working
[16:30] <zequence> !proaudio
[16:30] <delt> holstein: that's what i do, was just wondering wuh duh fuh?
[16:30] <holstein> delt: thats what ^^
[16:31] <zequence> delt: In pulseaudio, you must select jack as the output
[16:31] <holstein> delt: the dbus is either off, or not working
[16:31] <delt> ooooh that must be why qjackctl fails to start jack unless i specify the hardware, right?
[16:31] <delt> spits some error about dbus ...
[16:32] <holstein> delt: from what i had read, you had JACK running
[16:32] <delt> holstein: sometimes :3
[16:32] <holstein> delt: it runs anytime i want it to here
[16:33] <holstein> delt: when i want flash support, i just use a browser without JACK
[16:33] <delt> holstein: yeah i have to select the sound card (i start it from qjackctl)
[16:33] <holstein> delt: the labels can change when you reboot
[16:33] <delt> zequence: is there a package to install for the pulseaudio jack module
[16:33] <holstein> delt: so, you would have a card selected, and that label could change.. but, yes.. in order for jack to work, you select the device you want it to use
[16:34] <holstein> delt: the dbus is *already* installed
[16:34] <holstein> delt: on the misc tab of qjackctl, you'll find the dbus checkbox
[16:34] <delt> yeah, dbus is kind of an essential component
[16:34] <delt> checked
[16:34] <holstein> delt: no.. its only essential to provide what it provides.. if you want/need it, its essential for that task.. thats all
[16:35] <zequence> delt: It's preinstalled with Ubuntu Studio: pulseaudio-module-jack
[16:35] <zequence> delt: If you don't have it installed, you need to restart pulseaudio to automatically load it. use the command: pulseaudio -k
[16:35] <zequence> (after installing it, of course :)
[16:36] <delt> ok, pulseaudio-module-jack is already the newest version.
[16:36] <zequence> when you start jack, you should see pulseaudio in the connect window of qjackctl
[16:36] <zequence> then, just set pulseaudio output to jack in pulseaudio settings
[16:36] <zequence> all done
[16:36] <delt> nope. no pulseaudio in the connect window of qjackctl
[16:37] <delt> even though it is running, i can see the volume meters move in pavucontrol when i play stuff
[16:39] <zequence> delt: You might need to restart qjackctl before the dbus setting is effective
[16:39] <delt> it was already checked
[16:40] <zequence> delt: Sure you aren't running jack1?
[16:40] <delt> ah, now i see pulseaudio in the qjack connecto window
[16:40] <delt> in the audio tab
[16:40] <delt> i think an extra jackd was running, had to kill it manually
[16:41] <zequence> ok, so all you need to do is set pulseaudio to use jack as the output
[16:41] <zequence> ..instead of an audio card
[16:41] <delt> so, on the left, pulseaudio jack sink is connected to system on the right,
[16:41] <delt> and vice versa: system on the left is connected to jack on the right.
[16:42] <delt> uh... i mean system on the left is connected to pulseaudio jack _source_ on the right.
[16:42] <delt> ah ok got it.. doable from pavucontrol?
[16:43] <delt> i see jack sink as an output device, i just enable the little green tick box button to set it as fallback/default, and .....?
[16:43] <zequence> delt: yep
[16:45] <delt> now there's no audio from flash :(
[16:46] <holstein> delt: from *any* pulse source? or just flash? have you restarted the browser? is flash working otherwise?
[16:46] <delt> just restarted the browser
[16:47] <delt> mplayer -ao pulse is sounding fine....
[16:47] <holstein> delt: if it were me, i would stop jack, and test my flash and the audio, and make sure i have a known good flash source
[16:47] <holstein> then, i would test pulse going through jack, then.. flash going through jack
[16:47] <delt> as in, make sure the flash video is outputting sound?
[16:47] <delt> yeah it is
[16:48] <delt> well, supposed to
[16:48] <holstein> delt: sure.. just *make* *sure* it is, independent of this jack test
[16:48] <delt> i stopped firefox, made sure there was no more firefox or firefox-anything process running, and started it again..
[16:49] <holstein> delt: you are saying "flash audio isnt working" im asking that you determine where it isnt working
[16:49] <delt> yeah, it's a video on youtube which i know has sound.
[16:49] <holstein> delt: not sure what to tell you, friend
[16:49] <holstein> delt: if you stop jack, and confirm the youtube is making audio, then restart jack and test the pulse audio, then, the flash audio.. thats waht i suggested
[16:50] <delt> ok, will do that now
[16:50] <delt> yep, as soon as i stop jack, i'm getting audio from the youtube vid
[16:51] <delt> and the stream shows up in pavucontrol's playback tab
[16:51] <holstein> delt: so, now you know flash audio *is* working
[16:51] <delt> yep, well it was a few moments ago as well
[16:51] <holstein> delt: now, move on to where you know pulse audio is working through jack
[16:51] <delt> mplayer -ao pulse works...
[16:52] <holstein> delt: try some other audio in th browser, friend
[16:52] <holstein> delt: play an mp3 there, or something..
[16:52] <holstein> otherwise, if you find its flash, you can try the most current version of flash from chrome
[16:53] <delt> oh wait, i'll run jackd again
[16:53] <holstein> delt: i suggest you run qjackctl
[16:54] <delt> so here comes my "system" and jack writing to each other in qjackctl's connect window... now let's try playing a mp3 from firefox...
[16:54] <delt> yeah i am
[16:54] <delt> nope... stays stuck at the beginning.
[16:54] <holstein> delt: ok.. so, you know its nothing to do specifically with flash, then
[16:55] <delt> right.
[16:55] <holstein> delt: i would just try another browser as a test.. an mp3 in another browser.. or the same mp3 or audio that i can make work through pulse through jack with an app such as vlc
[16:55] <holstein> so, i have a known good audio file that i know works..
[16:56] <delt> i just played that audio file throught the browser but had forgot to start jackd again, and i could hear it.
[16:56] <holstein> so, im not testing "is audio working from the browser, or is this a 'bad' file" or wahtever
[16:56] <zequence> delt: If any pulseaudio source works, all other should too. Sure you haven't messed with other stuff? Added something - configs, applications?
[16:57] <zequence> There's no difference between flash playing through pulse and something else playing through pulse
[16:57] <delt> zequence: yeah that's just what i was thinking.... flash will use pulseaudio if it's available right?
[16:57] <zequence> it is available
[16:57] <holstein> delt: unless you have broken that somehow, correct
[16:57] <zequence> jack doesn't change that
[16:57] <holstein> which is where you are now.. having tested audio from the web browser through pulse through jack
[16:57] <delt> isn't there some environment variable i can use to override whatever browsers will use?
[16:58] <holstein> delt: you dont need to
[16:58] <zequence> when you start jack, jack grabs the card from pulseaudio, but pulseaudio keeps processing audio. If you set output to jack, pulse becomes just like any jack application
[16:58] <zequence> I think you are overcomplicating a very simple problem
[16:58] <holstein> +1
[16:58] <delt> zequence: that's exactly how i understand it as well
[16:59] <holstein> delt: how is it from the latest version of flash in the chrome browser?
[16:59] <delt> so where was i... i know that pulseaudio is correctly passing its audio to jack, because mplayer -ao jack <somefile.avi> works
[16:59] <holstein> delt: avi?
[16:59] <holstein> delt: why avi?
[16:59] <delt> oh actually it was a mp4 sorry -)
[16:59] <holstein> delt: i said, a known good simple audio file
[17:00] <holstein> delt: there is no need to test this with a video file
[17:00] <holstein> delt: use a known good simple audio file in a known good simple audio player
[17:00] <delt> was the file i had closest at hand -) but yeah i can use a mp3 too
[17:00] <holstein> you wont be playing flash vids from the terminal with flags, so, dont test this issue that way
[17:01] <delt> but the bonus of having video in the same file is: is the video moving, or does it stay stuck? to me that's extra information, but whatever =)
[17:02] <holstein> delt: i disagree.. i think its adding a layer of complexity to the troubleshooting path that is not necessary
[17:02] <delt> ok, so another browser.... if i install chrome it will constantly pester me with new versions every 2 days, is there some way to disable that?
[17:02] <holstein> delt: ?
[17:03] <holstein> delt: im not suggesting you install and use chrome.. you can set up whatever you like however you like
[17:03] <holstein> delt: nothing about chrome or any software "pesters" me about updates
[17:03] <delt> but you recommended i test with another browser
[17:03] <holstein> delt: but, im literallly suggesting troubleshooting with the most recent version of flash
[17:04] <delt> the most recent version available to linux that is...?
[17:04] <holstein> delt: you can do that 1 of 2 ways.. with chrome, or with chromium using the flash from chrome.. i suggest chrome becuase its easy to install quickly and remove
[17:04] <holstein> delt: linux is what we are running, and supporting here
[17:04] <delt> ok, suggestion noted. installing....
[17:04] <holstein> delt: chrome has the most recent version of flash
[17:04] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:04] <delt> this one isn't in the repos, i have to get it from google, right?
[17:05] <holstein> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
[17:05] <delt> 40 seconds remaining...
[17:06] <holstein> and im not saying "download chrome and it will fix your problems" or, "chrome is better, you should be using it".. this is literally just to see if, since you say, it is isolated and only flash audio that is not playing through pulse through jack, then, will the most recent version of flash for linux do audio through pulse through linux
[17:06] <holstein> if so, then, you have learned something.. if not, you know something as well
[17:07] <delt> nope... firefox could also not play a mp3 through pulse->jack
[17:07] <delt> i just opened it with file:/path/to/my/file.mp3
[17:07] <zequence> You are clearly doing something wrong. It works for anyone else
[17:08] <zequence> If pulse to jack works, then it works - always. Not just for some applications
[17:08] <zequence> Sure you are getting sound from jack at all?
[17:08] <holstein> delt: so you know its not flash then
[17:08] <delt> that's what i was thinking as well...
[17:08] <zequence> Which card is it set to use?
[17:08] <holstein> delt: i assumed you had already done that test
[17:08] <holstein> delt: you know from that test that its other audio besides flash audio that is not playing through pulse through jack
[17:09] <zequence> delt: If I were you, I'd start from the beginning. Close all applications. Kill all processes. Start jack. Set pulse to use jack. Then open applications
[17:09] <zequence> (and make sure jack is set to the right device)
[17:09] <delt> wtf?? Package operation failed     The installation or removal of a software package failed.
[17:09] <holstein> delt: try and refrain from using even accronyms that imply bad language in the official support channges
[17:10] <holstein> channels*
[17:10] <delt> sry
[17:10] <holstein> delt: you'll want to have all package and system issues settled before troubleshooting audio
[17:10] <delt> yeah, jack is set to use alsa as backend
[17:10] <holstein> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" can be a great place to start
[17:10] <zequence> delt: which card?
[17:11] <delt> my good old trusty SB Live 5.1
[17:11] <delt> (yeah i know it's an old card but :D )
[17:11] <holstein> delt: if it were me, i would disable the onboard card in the bios
[17:12] <delt> i did, it still popped up so i just renamed the kernel module to .ko_ ...problem fixed.
[17:12] <holstein> delt: i havent renamed any modules
[17:12] <delt> yeah but you probably don't have a buggy bios
[17:13] <holstein> delt: i dont have these issues with my system, and im concerned that, for you, it can be due to some step such as this
[17:13] <holstein> delt: if the device is disabled in the bios, its disabled.. you can blacklist a module.. is that what you did?
[17:13] <delt> apt-get update is giving me a bunch of these:
[17:13] <delt> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[17:13] <delt> and then:
[17:13] <delt> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[17:14] <delt> ok, dist-upgrade needs to download about 200mb of stuff, so in the mean time i can blacklist the module instead of renaming it =)
[17:15] <delt> there's a bunch of "blacklist*" files in /etc/modprobe.d/ ...i assume this would be a good place to start?
[17:15] <holstein> delt: those issues with your packages should be addressed before anything else
[17:15] <delt> yeah, but while it's downloading i can probably take care of this little thing...?
[17:15] <holstein> delt: i dont know what you mean by "renaming a module".. i just see statements like that as a red flag.. since, my audio, jack, and dbus "just work" with flash or whatever
[17:16] <holstein> delt: i like to try and unwind anything like that, and get back to default
[17:16] <holstein> delt: could be, as im implying, blacklisting a module might be a "better" or more appropriate way to have only one card
[17:16] <holstein> delt: for me, there are very few hoops i would hop through to support an SB live 5.1
[17:17] <holstein> delt: i might just remove it, and get my system stable and working with the internal sound card..
[17:17] <holstein> then, i would move on the the SB if needed
[17:17] <delt> holstein: yeah that's what i was considering to do, but i like this card.
[17:18] <delt> i'm used to how it works, i've been using it for years
[17:20] <delt> so, the module is snd-hda-intel ..i just renamed it back to normal (.ko instead of .ko_) ...now to blacklist it from being (at least auto-)loaded..
[17:23] <holstein> delt: or, just leave it alone
[17:23] <delt> the first thing i had tried was to get this card to never be the "default" card with this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[17:23] <holstein> delt: try and get back to as default a system as possible, and just select the device you want from JACK
[17:24] <delt> options snd-hda-intel index=-2
[17:24] <holstein> delt: right. i *never* did that.. and my jack, pulse, and pulse dbus, and flash works.. so, consider *not* doing that. at least as a troubleshooting step
[17:25] <delt> ok, good idea.
[17:25] <holstein> delt: you can always fire up a live CD and test by installing flash there
[17:25] <delt> especially if i use mainly jack with pulseaudio going through it
[17:26] <delt> meanwhile, dist-upgragde seems to be going smoothly, finished downloading and installing packages.....
[17:26] <delt> only non-standard thing i did to apt/package management was to add a PPA for 2 or 3 apps.
[17:28] <holstein> why use jack?
[17:28] <holstein> if you use mainly pulse, just use pluse
[17:28] <holstein> pulse*
[17:28] <holstein> ppa's are not officially supported
[17:28] <holstein> !Ppa
[17:28] <delt> !ppa-purge
[17:28] <holstein> so, you can purge those ppa's and test, again, with what i am suggesting is a more default situation.. or, try a live CD
[17:29] <holstein> could be the PPA's are not causing any issues
[17:29] <holstein> but, if you are using a ppa for 13.10 and forcing it into 14.04, that can be an issue
[17:29] <delt> purging a PPA won't uninstall software i installed from those ppa's right?
[17:30] <delt> dist-upgrade still unpacking and installing...
[17:30] <holstein> delt: purging the ppa will purge the ppa
[17:31] <delt> and not the software, right?
[17:31] <holstein> delt: it will remove the applications that are unsupported and potentially causing the breakage you are experiencing.. *or*, it can do nothing to help
[17:31] <holstein> delt: you can also just test with a live CD.. that will remove the added PPA"s from the euqation, and all your tweaks
[17:32] <holstein> delt: if things are just fine from the live cd (the cd you used to install the current system you are using), then you have learned something
[17:32] <holstein> delt: im not saying "that ppa is causing the issue".. im saying, ppa's are not supported officially and *can* and many times do cuase issues..
[17:33] <delt> *nod*
[17:33] <holstein> delt: if you are trying to troubleshoot where the issue is, you just have to do that
[17:33] <holstein> delt: and, you have many of, what i call, "red flags"
[17:33] <holstein> ppa's for a few applications.. remaming system files.. package management errors
[17:34] <delt> which are, apart from renaming kernel modules :D
[17:34] <holstein> a live CD can test what you are trying to do easily, and remove all of that from the equation
[17:34] <delt> configuring grub-pc i want to keep my local config, right?
[17:35] <holstein> delt: your locan grub should be setup to boot your system
[17:35] <holstein> local*
[17:35] <delt> and that's exactly what it does. i haven't hacked grub to try to browse the web :3
[17:37] <delt> ok, apt-get dist-upgrade just finished with no errors afaics...
[17:38] <delt> apt-get update had those warnings about duplicate sources, but no errors
[17:38] <holstein> might need to reboot into an upgraded kernel..
[17:38] <holstein> delt: i address *all* warning and errors with package management
[17:39] <holstein> if you have duplicate sources, fix that
[17:39] <delt> the error with chrome might be because i selected "open with: software center" directly from the browser...
[17:39] <delt> yeah, that might be the PPA's i added, right?
[17:39] <holstein> delt: that chrome .deb adds a ppa
[17:40] <holstein> delt: you just run "sudo apt-get upate" and address all issues
[17:40] <holstein> remove duplicate sources, or whatever
[17:40] <delt> running it now...
[17:40] <TerranceWarrior> holstein: how do you get midi working under wine?
[17:41] <delt> weird, apt-get update tells me "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
[17:41] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: personally, i dont
[17:41] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: nothing about linux is preventing those applications from working natively with them
[17:42] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: but, if i have wine audio questions, i go where i sent you.. KXstudio
[17:43] <delt> permission to paste 13 lines?
[17:43] <holstein> !paste | delt
[17:43] <holstein> you pasts as much as you like there ^
[17:44] <delt> ok 2sec the software updater says i have to reboot (i noticed a new version of the kernel so yeah)
[17:46] <delt> and, we're back
[17:47] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: the channel name is #kxstudio
[17:48] <delt> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7240704/
[17:48] <delt> that's the end of sudo apt-get update
[17:49] <holstein> delt: the fix i have used in the past is here http://askubuntu.com/questions/120621/how-to-fix-duplicate-sources-list-entry
[17:57] <delt> ok, now i have a /etc/apt/sources.list with only 1 line! ---> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports multiverse restricted universe main
[17:57] <holstein> delt: whatever it takes to make "sudo apt-get update" finish with no errors
[17:57] <delt> which according to the page above is equivalent to 4 lines because of the multiple words multiverse, restricted, ...
[17:57] <holstein> then, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to finish with no errors
[17:58] <delt> Reading package lists... Done
[17:58] <delt> ok, now for dist-upgrade...
[17:59] <delt> done, no errors.
[17:59] <holstein> so, you are finally at the point where your packages and package manager and system are probably not creating any issues for you
[17:59] <delt> or warnings.
[18:00] <holstein> i would move on now to whatever you like.. testing normal audio file from firefox with pulse only. .then, flash. then, with pluse through jack.. etc
[18:00] <delt> well, by zapping the /etc/apt/sources.list that disables any ppa i have added, right?
[18:01] <holstein> delt: doenst matter.. it doesnt purge the packages
[18:01] <holstein> delt: the packages that potentially could be causing breakage are still there
[18:01] <delt> but the packaging system is back to its default state
[18:01] <holstein> delt: no... your sources are
[18:01] <delt> ahok.
[18:02] <holstein> delt: if you added a pacakge that was out of repo, and didnt purge it, its still there, unless it was replaced by one in the repos
[18:02] <holstein> delt: but, that is an assumed issue, and may not be causing the problem
[18:02] <delt> but i need the beta wine, some programs work with it and not the default wine
[18:03] <holstein> delt: sure.. and im not saying you dont "need" it.. or that its bad.. or good
[18:03] <holstein> delt: im saying ppa's can cause issues
[18:03] <holstein> delt: you are experiencing an issue, and we are yet to determine the cause of it
[18:03] <delt> and as you told me before, it happens quite frequently, right?
[18:03] <holstein> delt: is it becuase of some PPA? i have no idea
[18:04] <holstein> delt: ppa's are not officially supported
[18:04] <holstein> delt: its quite common to have one go out of support by the creator
[18:04] <holstein> delt: big ones like wine, or google.. or firefox.. those are usually OK, and well supported.. but, wine is not faciliating a proaudio workflow
[18:05] <delt> but just installing a .deb package, that doesn't add a ppa to your source list, normally?
[18:05] <holstein> did the wine PPA break anything? im not saying, nor implying that it did.. im just saying, its part of the non default environment you are using
[18:07] <holstein> delt: the .deb does waht it does
[18:07] <delt> ok, so let's test this again... i run qjackctl, make sure d-bus is selected in the misc. tab, it is...
[18:08] <delt> so i click "start" to start jackd, it starts up as i can see in the little shiny glass window....
[18:08] <holstein> delt: you download the deb, its also not officially supported.. it does what it is designed to do to your system
[18:08] <delt> yeah that's what i figured
[18:09] <delt> which could include adding a ppa...
[18:09] <holstein> sure. and you can always look in your sources and find them
[18:09] <delt> or dd'ing /dev/random to your hard disk
[18:10] <delt> okay. so at this point, trying to play a mp3 with mplayer (it uses pulse by default) just says "audio device got stuck"
[18:11] <delt> same thing happens if i specify -ao pulse
[18:11] <delt> or -ao alsa
[18:11] <holstein> delt: i would remove that SBlive and troubleshoot one thing at a time
[18:11] <holstein> delt: use the default installed onboard audio device and test all of this with only it
[18:11] <delt> yeah, i could use the onboard sound card for now..
[18:12] <holstein> or, use a LIVE cde
[18:12] <holstein> cd*
[18:12] <holstein> delt: nothing about the SB faciliatates pro audio
[18:12] <delt> well, it's certainly a better card than the cheap intel on my mobo
[18:12] <delt> anyway... removing it and booting this machine back up, brb
[18:12] <holstein> delt: "better" is a matter of opinion,a nd use case
[18:13] <holstein> delt: the onboard intel may be "better" supported, and faciliate lower latency
[18:13] <holstein> facilitate*
[18:18] <delt> mkay, so the onboard sound card is working, listening to it right now..
[18:19] <holstein> delt: i know, for me personally, there are very few hoops i would hop through for a soundblaster live
[18:19] <delt> except it probably won't allow me to run more than one process using it... and it also doesn't have an oldschool 15-pin midi connector, which i like to have for my top keyboard
[18:19] <holstein> delt: its not helping the situation.. its got no preamps.. the clock is likely similar, or older and worse than the intel
[18:20] <delt> + im used to the sblive as i mentioned, etc etc...... anyway. for now im using just the intel hda
[18:20] <holstein> delt: if you need/want it, you can mess with it.. but, i suggest doing troubleshooting here with the intel, and see that everything is working
[18:20] <holstein> delt: used to it?
[18:20] <holstein> delt: the intel should be quite simple, and easy to get used to
[18:21] <holstein> delt: but, as i said, if you need it, you need it. and you can move forward knowing that its the support of that device that is or is not the issue
[18:21] <delt> anyway, for now the sb live is physically removed from the computer and lying next to it on the floor.
[18:22] <delt> i should probably put it somewhere safer like on my desk -)
[18:23] <delt> ok.. so let's pop up qjackctl, like before, run jackd, ...
[18:24] <delt> have to select the right audio device, and there, we have jackd up and running
[18:25] <delt> connect window shows PulseAudio jack sink -> System, and System -> PulseAudio Jack Source.
[18:25] <delt> now in pavucontrol i select jack sink to be the default (fallback) device...
[18:26] <delt> mplayer -ao pulse: can hear mp3
[18:26] <delt> mplayer -ao alsa: can hear mp3
[18:26] <delt> mplayer -ao jack: can hear mp3
[18:27] <delt> heh, now firefox playing file:/path/to/file.mp3 can play!!
[18:28] <delt> swf/flash also can hear sound...
[18:28] <delt> looks like everything works!
[18:29] <delt> renoise using jack works, but not using alsa, which is not surprising...
[18:33] <holstein> you dont need renoise
[18:33] <holstein> through alsa or pulse
[18:35] <delt> as long as it works well, which seems to be the case at the moment
[18:56] <delt> this might be a really stupid question but.. why can't i hear what's connected to the line-in jack on this card?
[18:57] <holstein> delt: did you route it to an output?
[18:58] <delt> i can see the levels moving in pavucontrol..
[18:59] <delt> and in qjackctl the "pulseaudio jack sink" on the left is routed to "system" on the right
[18:59] <holstein> delt: sure
[18:59] <delt> sorry, i have a hard time with concentration :/
[18:59] <holstein> delt: try routing the input you are referencing, *nothing* to do with pulse at all, to the output of your audio card. *not* through pulse in any way
[19:00] <delt> though qjackctl?
[19:00] <holstein> delt: i use the "connect" panel to route. with qjackctl
[19:00] <holstein> 14:59 < delt> and in qjackctl the "pulseaudio jack sink" on the left is routed to "system" on the right
[19:00] <holstein> ^ thats just routing what its routing
[19:00] <holstein> not the system input you are referencing
[19:01] <holstein> if your question is "why dont i hear anything from my input", my follow up question is "is it routed to an output"
[19:01] <delt> in alsamixer the line-in is set to reasonably high
[19:01] <holstein> delt: ok
[19:01] <holstein> delt: thats the alsa level
[19:01] <holstein> delt: is it routed in jack?
[19:02] <holstein> delt: you said you already saw the leven in pavucontrol, so you dont ned to check the level again
[19:02] <holstein> delt: you need to check the routing
[19:02] <delt> apart from "jack sink" being routed to "system" i don't see what should be routed to what
[19:02] <holstein> delt: have you check the routing?
[19:02] <delt> where should i check it?
[19:02] <holstein> delt: in "connect" in qjackctly
[19:02] <holstein> qjackctl*
[19:02] <delt> sry my brain is like jello right now
[19:03] <delt> "audio" tab right?
[19:03] <holstein> delt: you'll see on the left side the card input.. probably 2 things, left and right
[19:03] <holstein> delt: then, you route that to the output on the right. probably 2 things.. left and right
[19:03] <holstein> delt: you are asking about audio, so, yes.. the audio tab
[19:03] <holstein> delt: if you are trying to route audio, then the audio tab is where to go
[19:03] <delt> i see pulseaudio jack sink, renoise, and system
[19:03] <delt> so system to system, right?
[19:04] <holstein> delt: its not renoise, thats an application
[19:04] <holstein> delt: its not pulse, thats pulse
[19:04] <holstein> delt: you are asking me why your system audio input is not working
[19:04] <delt> system to system works, now i can hear it :D
[19:04] <delt> so if i wanted to record it, say i have a guitar riff idea....
[19:04] <holstein> delt: you route that to what you like.. renoise for example
[19:05] <delt> i see it's already routed to renoise.... let's test
[19:05] <holstein> delt: you can hit the little + signs to expand tracks in renoise you create
[19:05] <holstein> delt: routing renoise to renoise isnt what you are asking bout
[19:05] <holstein> delt: you are asking, "how do i route the system to record"
[19:06] <holstein> delt: you choose what you want, im assuming renoise.. make an audio track, and *click* the little plus signs
[19:06] <holstein> delt: have you clicked the little plus signs to expand?
[19:07] <holstein> delt: if not, you will want to click them.. they look like plus signs... like "+" literallly
[19:07] <holstein> you click them in system on the left side, and on renoise on the right, then connect the input you are using to the track you create
[19:07] <delt> works... so anything that wants to record just has to read from "system" right?
[19:07] <holstein> delt: ?
[19:07] <holstein> delt: not "anything"
[19:07] <holstein> delt: just from that source
[19:08] <holstein> delt: you can route the guitar signal through software before doing to renoise if yo ulike
[19:08] <delt> reading your last few lines of text.. thanks very much for all your help!
[19:12] <delt> 15:05 < holstein> delt: you choose what you want, im assuming renoise.. make an audio track, and *click* the little plus signs
[19:12] <delt> you meant above each track in renoise?
[19:12] <delt> that's to create extra note columns / fx columns in each track
[19:12] <holstein> delt: no
[19:13] <delt> in qjackctl?
[19:13] <holstein> delt: the little plus signs are in qjackclt under connect
[19:13] <holstein> delt: they are literally little "+"'s
[19:13] <delt> well, i see little triangles, using the default "greybird" gtk theme
[19:13] <holstein> delt: you click them, as in a filemanager, to expand things.. such as, the inputs in system
[19:13] <holstein> delt: click whatever is beside the names
[19:14] <holstein> delt: whatever you need to do to expand to see the track you made, and the input you want to route
[19:14] <delt> yeah, that expands renoise to input01_left, input01_right
[19:14] <holstein> delt: correct
[19:14] <holstein> delt: so, you route the input of the guitar ot the track you want to record
[19:14] <delt> ah, i figured :D
[19:15] <delt> time to try out some guitar-modeling software, to see if it can rival with my "real" rack :D
[19:16] <holstein> delt: nothing is preventing your "real" rack creators from releasing software for you to use with JACK in linux
[19:16] <delt> except specialized DSP's that would take a very powerful computer
[19:16] <delt> which should be available in about 10 years =)
[19:17] <holstein> delt: >?
[19:17] <holstein> delt: are you running them on a very powerful computer? probably just an appliance.. maybe a linux based one
[19:18] <delt> oh and analog units that are -impossible- to emulate 100% precisely
[19:18] <holstein> i didnt mean to imply that there were
[19:23] <delt> sounding good... except as expected, the distortions sound kind of digital and fake
[19:24] <holstein> delt: cool
[19:24] <holstein> delt: mabye just give it some times, since you literaly just started
[19:24] <holstein> delt: you can try #opensourcemusicians
[19:26] <delt> awesome, awesome... thanks for all the info!
[19:27] <delt> just wondering, when i connect "system" to "system" (to hear the sound card's input directly) is it the hardware being configured a certain way, or jackd copying the audio signal?
[19:42]  * delt 
[20:00] <delt> this is weird... "ps xau | grep -i jack" is showing only qjackctl and "jackdbus auto" and no jackd ...????
[20:07] <delt> ah, found the answer here http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/jackd-jackdbus-D-Bus-or-not-D-Bus-td72355.html
[20:07] <delt> (apparently the problems described on that page from 2009 have been solved since)