| knome | be back tomorrow; have fun | 01:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | well, that's not pretty | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/305129 | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | indicator-datetime, indicator-keyboard without an icon, ibus | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | maybe tomorrow's iso will look a bit better | 01:36 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: /var/crash/ | 01:40 |
| OvenWerk1 | Unit193: remove the files inside or the whole directory? | 03:11 |
| juanmontoya | Hello, has anyone considered changing the default colors of the xcfe4-terminal? Some colors are too dark to be readable... :/ | 04:43 |
| Unit193 | OvenWerk1: That was to remove bothering of crashes, the files there. | 04:47 |
| OvenWerk1 | Unit193: Thankyou. Yes that helps. | 05:11 |
| Unit193 | Heh, sure. | 05:11 |
| OvenWerk1 | (switching the nvidia driver to the open one seems to help more) | 05:12 |
| Unit193 | apport-cli can show you them. | 05:13 |
| jhenke | good morning | 05:38 |
| jhenke | morning elfy | 05:54 |
| elfy | hi jhenke | 05:55 |
| jhenke | i guess most of the people here are still away/sleeping? | 06:02 |
| elfy | that and saturday :) | 06:03 |
| jhenke | well I had a nice little nephew waking me at 6:30 am ^^ | 06:03 |
| jhenke | just being courious whether todays image will be clean of those extra indicators | 06:04 |
| elfy | I'd not count on it | 06:05 |
| jhenke | I have a netbook here, where I would want to install xubuntu (was my sisters running WinXP), but as it does not accept booting from USB sticks, I want a "clean" image to install it | 06:06 |
| elfy | I understand - all you can do is zsync ~11:00UTC and see | 06:07 |
| elfy | the image is 'usually' new at ~10ish | 06:08 |
| jhenke | yep, just still hoping it would work today ;) | 06:08 |
| elfy | :) | 06:08 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Could check manifests. | 06:12 |
| elfy | oh yea - those things | 06:13 |
| elfy | not sure when that would be changed though | 06:13 |
| elfy | current doesn't have blueman | 06:14 |
| knome | aiui, there is NO NEW IMAGES unless we request a respin | 09:11 |
| knome | slickymaster, have you had bug 1196625 in a long time? | 09:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1196625 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 in _XReadEvents()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196625 | 09:48 |
| olbi | I have still this bug from time to time :] | 09:51 |
| knome | wondering if the assignee is really working on it, has 2 karma on launchpad and no memberships | 09:53 |
| knome | sorry, 5 lp karma... | 09:53 |
| olbi | why installer is still in english and my own lang when I choose my lang? there should be only my own lang cause translation was done on launchpad before the beta 2 :/ | 09:59 |
| knome | how much before? | 10:05 |
| olbi | a month? | 10:06 |
| olbi | i'm trying to localize Xubuntu as much as possible but it is sometime very hard to do this :/ | 10:07 |
| knome | polish is your language? i see 28 untranslated strings | 10:08 |
| olbi | wtf? there were translations and it's gone :/ | 10:11 |
| olbi | what is going on with this launchpad :/ | 10:12 |
| knome | did you do the translations before we did the call for translations? it's likely that you have translated old strings. | 10:13 |
| jhenke | knome I thought there are new images generated once a day? hence daily image? | 10:13 |
| knome | jhenke, not during RC | 10:13 |
| jhenke | :( | 10:13 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate | 10:13 |
| jhenke | "During the week leading up to the final release, the images produced are all considered release candidates" ? | 10:14 |
| jhenke | sounds like daily images to me, or is something tricking my mind right now? | 10:14 |
| knome | is | 10:14 |
| knome | " In an ideal world, the first one would end up being the final release..." | 10:14 |
| knome | the idea of a release candidate is "do not change it if it works" | 10:15 |
| jhenke | well I do not want to argue about it | 10:15 |
| jhenke | well ours did not work as expected yesterday... | 10:15 |
| knome | no problem really | 10:15 |
| knome | yes, and still wouldn't, so we haven't yet rebuild | 10:15 |
| knome | we can do that when we need to, though | 10:15 |
| jhenke | okay then I guess it makes no sense to test the new one (which according to the website was build just some minutes ago) | 10:16 |
| jhenke | 12-Apr-2014 10:05 | 10:16 |
| knome | well it "always" makes sense... | 10:17 |
| knome | there might be other things landed that might have regressions | 10:17 |
| knome | just not realistic to expect unfixed things to be fixed in that ISO :) | 10:17 |
| jhenke | my hope was that the dependecy chane would be solved by the time the ISO was generated | 10:18 |
| jhenke | you know, optimism ;) | 10:18 |
| knome | i doubt so... | 10:18 |
| jhenke | well I'll test it any way then, the most useful thing I can do right now :( | 10:20 |
| brainwash | so, do you we already need to write a SRU report for merge requests? non-critical issues ofc | 10:20 |
| knome | anything that will be a SRU will need a SRU report at some point | 10:21 |
| brainwash | mmh, some point | 10:21 |
| brainwash | so we've already passed that point, right? | 10:21 |
| knome | well, before it's landing as a SRU :P | 10:21 |
| knome | that question both makes and doesn't make sense | 10:21 |
| jhenke | I think so, the release candidate mail sounded like everything is a SRU now, except release blocking bugs | 10:22 |
| knome | yep. | 10:22 |
| brainwash | we don't have any blockers :) | 10:22 |
| knome | so things that won't go into the release, are SRU material | 10:22 |
| knome | for those, you will need SRU reports | 10:23 |
| brainwash | ok | 10:23 |
| knome | upgrading to trusty | 10:30 |
| knome | mrh | 10:30 |
| starrats | good morning everyone | 10:38 |
| brainwash | bug 1306917 | 10:51 |
| ubottu | bug 1306917 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "light-locker: screen always locked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306917 | 10:51 |
| brainwash | can anyone confirm this? | 10:51 |
| brainwash | knome: can we move bug 1270894 to 14.04.1? | 10:54 |
| ubottu | bug 1270894 in ristretto (Ubuntu) "Sorting by date or name not working properly in thumbnail bar" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270894 | 10:54 |
| brainwash | patched abiword available from https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/abiword | 10:59 |
| knome | brainwash, can and should. | 11:00 |
| brainwash | do I need to create an extra bug report to request an update of abiword via debdiff? | 11:00 |
| brainwash | or can I simply attach it to one of the existing reports (3)? | 11:01 |
| knome | i... don't know the answer to that question :P | 11:01 |
| knome | i guess you'd need a sponsorshhip bug | 11:01 |
| brainwash | I think so too | 11:01 |
| knome | which could be one of the existing bugs, but would be cleaner if it wasn't, since it fixes multiple issues | 11:01 |
| brainwash | well, first it needs to be tested | 11:01 |
| brainwash | I don't want to attach a bad debdiff :) | 11:02 |
| brainwash | elfy: please test https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/abiword | 11:02 |
| brainwash | you can find the bug numbers in the PPA description | 11:03 |
| knome | i'm not sure if those bugs would be critical enough to warrant a final freeze exception... | 11:03 |
| knome | the crash on exporting PDF is semi-nasty | 11:04 |
| brainwash | sru then | 11:04 |
| brainwash | quick sru | 11:04 |
| knome | there is no quick SRU... it's .1 in 6 months | 11:04 |
| knome | we can push them to updates though | 11:04 |
| brainwash | yes, update | 11:04 |
| knome | yes, sure | 11:05 |
| brainwash | but it's that a sru? | 11:05 |
| knome | not necessarily | 11:05 |
| knome | a SRU means the change will be on the next ISO | 11:05 |
| knome | withtout a need to upgrade your system | 11:06 |
| brainwash | ah, that's fine | 11:06 |
| knome | and it will also be landing for *everybody* | 11:06 |
| brainwash | so it will stay broken on the live cd | 11:06 |
| knome | not just those who opted in for extra updates | 11:06 |
| knome | for 14.04, yes... | 11:06 |
| knome | (unless we want to argue it getting a final freeze exception) | 11:06 |
| brainwash | which triggers a respin, correct? | 11:07 |
| knome | it doesn't trigger one, but obviously we'd like one | 11:08 |
| knome | but we will need one for the bluetooth stuff. | 11:08 |
| brainwash | a respin for abiword alone is overkill | 11:08 |
| knome | sure. | 11:08 |
| knome | but that might be an indicator it's overkill to break the final freeze with it | 11:08 |
| knome | brainwash, for future convenience, can you drop in the bug titles to the PPA description along with their numbers | 11:10 |
| knome | brainwash, i'm thinking the PDF export bug might warrant the exception. | 11:11 |
| knome | and while we do that, we could land the other two | 11:11 |
| knome | but i'd poke around in -release and ask what people think | 11:12 |
| knome | also, i should be able to test the PPA soonish | 11:13 |
| knome | 14:15 knome: what's the general thought about fixing a low, but annoying bug along with a high/critical bug during the final freeze? | 11:19 |
| knome | 14:15 knome: (in the same package) | 11:20 |
| knome | 14:19 cjwatson: I'd probably be OK with it as long as the diff was clear and we could make a good estimate from it that the risk is low | 11:20 |
| knome | brainwash, bug 1292290 ? | 11:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1292290 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 | 11:23 |
| brainwash | knome: well, it's a bug I can confirm | 11:51 |
| knome | but not triage? :| | 11:51 |
| brainwash | no, but maybe fix if I take a look at the source :D | 11:52 |
| knome | i could approve that as late fix... | 11:52 |
| knome | if it really is as the bug says, and is impacting many users (which i'm not sure of) | 11:53 |
| brainwash | there is also bug 1303404 | 11:56 |
| ubottu | bug 1303404 in libxfce4ui "Hotkeys overriding each other" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303404 | 11:56 |
| brainwash | and maybe https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/migrate-kb-shortcuts | 11:56 |
| knome | mhm.. | 11:57 |
| brainwash | they have changed <control> to <primary> in 4.11 | 11:57 |
| knome | the merge would make sense, but again, final freeze... | 11:58 |
| brainwash | <control> should work fine, but once you hit the "reset keybinds" button, it will also add the <primary> version of the keybind | 11:58 |
| knome | hmh | 11:59 |
| knome | that's a low-priority issue then | 11:59 |
| brainwash | this needs some time to fix | 11:59 |
| knome | it's... a bit annoying, but not a huge issue imo | 11:59 |
| brainwash | all 3 issues I mean | 11:59 |
| knome | talking about the last one | 11:59 |
| brainwash | yes | 11:59 |
| knome | sicne it only happens when you are at that dialog, it's barely a problem :) | 11:59 |
| knome | and in a way, it doesn't make as much sense to land the fix for .1... :| | 12:00 |
| jhenke | ahh, yes now that you mention that explains some behaviour when changing keybindings | 12:03 |
| brainwash | we need to forward it upstream at least | 12:03 |
| knome | sure | 12:04 |
| brainwash | so there won't be any fix before release | 12:08 |
| knome | if there is a fix for the two bugs, i'm ok to approve those, but the migration stuff, nah | 12:08 |
| knome | brb, booting to trusty side of things! | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | hey guys | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | has anybody looked at why indicator-keyboard and indicator-datetime seem to be in the latest nightlies? | 12:11 |
| bluesabre | or do I have a project now? | 12:12 |
| jhenke | it was assumed they came via the dependecy chain, as gnome-bluetooth was pulled in and with it gnome-control-center and unity-control-center | 12:13 |
| knome | hmm... not able to login graphically | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | ah | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | fun | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | remove indicator-datetime indicator-keyboard | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | installs gnome-control-center | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | :\ | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | so the dependencies need to be tweaked | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | anybody looking into this currently? | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | is this something cyphermox was looking at? | 12:24 |
| jhenke | bluesabre I think we need to look into that once gnome-bluetooth is gone | 12:24 |
| jhenke | I think so | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | ok, so we are removing gnome-bluetooth then? | 12:25 |
| jhenke | afaik the agreed solution is to demote it from recommend to suggest on network-manager-gnome | 12:26 |
| jhenke | that should stop pulling it into the default install | 12:27 |
| elfy | brainwash: confirm that fixes those 3 abiword bugs | 12:47 |
| elfy | apparently does so for bug 1054315 | 12:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1054315 in AbiWord "abiword crashed with SIGABRT" [Critical,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054315 | 12:50 |
| brainwash | elfy: thanks | 12:58 |
| brainwash | the linked report is marked as invalid | 12:58 |
| elfy | no idea why - but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen - just that it got marked invalid ;) | 13:01 |
| elfy | it might have been that guy wandering around making vague pronouncements on our bugs :p | 13:01 |
| knome | hmm, i'm having problems getting lightdm to run on upgrade from 13.10 | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | that's unusual | 13:06 |
| knome | o'rly? :P | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | anything in the logs? | 13:06 |
| knome | it's probably related to xrandr not being able to open any display.. | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | O.o | 13:07 |
| knome | can see plymouth when i don't use the nvidia driver | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | seems like you should have answered elfy's calls for testing ;) | 13:07 |
| knome | but it just loads infinitely | 13:07 |
| knome | hey, production machines! | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | maybe install the nvidia proprietary drivers, and run nvidia-xconfig? | 13:09 |
| knome | i *just* did that | 13:09 |
| knome | but i'm pretty sure that won't fix it | 13:09 |
| knome | i've tried with a veeeery similar xorg file and the proprietary drivers installed | 13:09 |
| knome | jockey-text is a joke | 13:09 |
| knome | it never does anything | 13:10 |
| knome | i'm just it is just sleep(random) | 13:10 |
| elfy | pebkac | 13:10 |
| brainwash | elfy: bug 1306905 | 13:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1306905 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "action buttons always ask for confirmation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306905 | 13:11 |
| brainwash | "Since today's daily update,..." | 13:11 |
| knome | elfy, feel free to prove me wrong and point where the problem is... | 13:11 |
| elfy | between the keyboard and the chair - that's the bkac bit :p | 13:12 |
| knome | yes, and what is that problem? | 13:13 |
| elfy | :p | 13:13 |
| elfy | try esc and see if it's hanging at nvidia-prime | 13:14 |
| knome | that says ok.. persistenced daemon says fail | 13:15 |
| elfy | not seen that in my travels | 13:15 |
| knome | "starting ligthdm display manager" -> fail | 13:15 |
| knome | "starting send an event to indicate plymouth is up" -> fail | 13:16 |
| elfy | brainwash: I have no idea what that bug report even means | 13:24 |
| brainwash | the confirmation dialog (ok or cancel + 30sec timeout) | 13:25 |
| elfy | and that means just as much | 13:25 |
| elfy | what confirmation button in panel configuration says that? | 13:26 |
| brainwash | action button | 13:26 |
| elfy | ? | 13:27 |
| brainwash | top right corner (old panel layout) | 13:27 |
| brainwash | the thingy with your name | 13:27 |
| elfy | oh | 13:27 |
| elfy | action plugin | 13:28 |
| brainwash | O.O | 13:28 |
| brainwash | :D | 13:28 |
| brainwash | well, this particular user has reported some "bugs" which I cannot confirm at all | 13:28 |
| elfy | right | 13:28 |
| elfy | I might understand why - hang on I'll comment | 13:29 |
| elfy | I thought your volman thing was up the kibosh this morning - following updates - EVERYTHING including reboot wanted a password - once I rebooted all was ok again | 13:30 |
| elfy | suspend from there works | 13:31 |
| elfy | fine - and now that I've gotten used to it in whiskermenuI see that I could have had buttons on the panel | 13:32 |
| elfy | knome: I can't find anything re that lightdm issue of yours | 13:32 |
| bluesabre | knome: what happens if you delete your existing Xorg.conf? | 13:34 |
| * bluesabre works on getting rid of gnome-bluetooth | 13:36 | |
| knome | bluesabre, nothing. | 13:39 |
| bluesabre | :\ | 13:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, well, when i deleted that and the nvidia driver, i got to plymoith | 13:40 |
| knome | *plymouth | 13:40 |
| knome | which kept on loading infinitely | 13:40 |
| bluesabre | whats the graphics card? | 13:40 |
| knome | nvidia geforce gtx 560 ti | 13:41 |
| bluesabre | yup, no idea | 13:43 |
| knome | yup | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | since you did an upgrade, do you still have the old kernels installed? | 13:43 |
| knome | not, removed them | 13:43 |
| knome | but i could reinstall them | 13:43 |
| * knome facepalm | 13:44 | |
| bluesabre | I'd try that, otherwise... | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | #xubuntu is the support channel | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 13:44 |
| knome | /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf didn't specify user session or greeter | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | ah | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | that's lame | 13:44 |
| knome | i read that elfy had that problem before | 13:44 |
| elfy | that's gone | 13:44 |
| knome | elfy, really? how did it occur to me today then... :) | 13:45 |
| knome | that fixes it... | 13:45 |
| elfy | look in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/ | 13:46 |
| elfy | 60-light ... blah I think is where greeter is specified now | 13:46 |
| knome | yeah.. but to be exact | 13:47 |
| knome | lightdm.conf had them set to null | 13:47 |
| knome | eg user_session= | 13:47 |
| knome | would the .d files still overwrite? | 13:47 |
| elfy | knome: here I have no /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf at all - try # them or renaming them | 13:48 |
| knome | well i just specified them | 13:48 |
| knome | and that fixes the issue as i said | 13:48 |
| knome | i'll go and enable nvidia now | 13:48 |
| knome | i can look at the lightdm conf after that | 13:48 |
| elfy | didn't see you say it was fixed | 13:48 |
| knome | 16:45 knome: that fixes it... | 13:48 |
| knome | i wouldn't have any clue to look there unless i found your forum thread | 13:49 |
| elfy | oh - I thought that was a sarky comment to my 'that's gone' lol | 13:49 |
| knome | so indirect thanks ;) | 13:49 |
| elfy | forum's are rubbish apparently :D | 13:49 |
| knome | no, i'm hardly snarky/joking when i'm debugging | 13:49 |
| elfy | :) | 13:49 |
| knome | forum usability is still rubbish ;) | 13:50 |
| elfy | not for me :) | 13:50 |
| knome | yeah, i can understand and respect different people liking different methods | 13:51 |
| elfy | I can too - and do use different methods | 13:51 |
| knome | yep | 13:51 |
| knome | i just can't deal with the slow pace of forums | 13:51 |
| knome | well, it's probably not slow paced all the time | 13:51 |
| knome | but it's somehow.. so scattered :| | 13:51 |
| elfy | I really need to try and get my head around what's gone on with lightdm | 13:52 |
| knome | maybe you should ask bluesabre | 13:52 |
| elfy | I try hard to catch xubuntu stuff on my forum and make sure it is prefixed with xubuntu | 13:52 |
| knome | yeah, but even that isn't the problem :) | 13:52 |
| elfy | nope - it can be slow | 13:52 |
| knome | by scattered i mean that even if the forum was perfectly organized (which it never is), and all posts were tagged, you would still have to dig for stuff consistently | 13:53 |
| knome | ok, confess, WHO SWITCHED MY MONITOR ORDER | 13:54 |
| knome | left is virtually right and right is virtually left | 13:54 |
| knome | one more reboot... | 13:55 |
| elfy | bert was in charge of switching monitors | 13:56 |
| knome | i've been speedy | 13:57 |
| knome | it never occurred to me that nvidia-settings would be in the... settings manager | 13:57 |
| elfy | knome: yep - I use a search engine for buntu generally - usually works | 13:57 |
| * knome facepalms with a splat | 13:57 | |
| elfy | knome: all sorts of things get left in there ... | 13:57 |
| knome | i even made the right hand side monitor the primary one | 13:58 |
| knome | which has been bugging me since we moved here in mid-december | 13:58 |
| bluesabre | I don't know what happens with lightdm | 13:58 |
| bluesabre | we bug robert if there's an issue | 13:58 |
| bluesabre | s/we/ochosi | 13:58 |
| knome | my favorite CLI command | 13:58 |
| knome | sudo apt-get purge apport | 13:59 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:59 |
| elfy | back later | 14:00 |
| elfy | bluesabre: it's not so much issue - just wth has been moved about :) | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | also, I don't get that either ;) | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | knome: is cyphermox leading the charge on bluetooth? | 14:01 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I'm glad it's not just me then :p | 14:05 |
| knome | bluesabre, yes, but please make sure removing it helps with removing stuff you want out | 14:08 |
| knome | elfy, what was the bug for the lightdm issue? | 14:09 |
| elfy | knome: my one? | 14:12 |
| knome | i found it, bug 1267442 | 14:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1267442 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on X/K/Lubuntu results in unbootable machine" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267442 | 14:12 |
| elfy | yea that's it - back later | 14:12 |
| bluesabre | I love the fact that nvidia-prime actually works in trusty | 14:13 |
| knome | bluesabre, i like the prime messages: | 14:14 |
| knome | ** Message: PRIME: No offloading required. Abort | 14:14 |
| knome | ** Message: PRIME: is it supported? no | 14:14 |
| bluesabre | ah | 14:14 |
| bluesabre | well, it works for my new laptop with the haswell/nvidia combo | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | :) | 14:15 |
| knome | mh | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | ok, tested a package with gnome-bluetooth moved to suggests, it seems to work | 14:18 |
| bluesabre | reinstalling the existing package adds these things: | 14:19 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/305191 | 14:19 |
| bluesabre | installing the new package: | 14:20 |
| knome | too lazy to copypaste? | 14:21 |
| bluesabre | vm doesnt have extensions installed | 14:21 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/305192 | 14:21 |
| knome | copypaste to a file in vm, cat file | pastebinit | 14:22 |
| brainwash | mmh, I guess that we know that already | 14:22 |
| bluesabre | anyway, if cyphermox is handling it, cool, otherwise, let me know if I need to bug the sponsors | 14:23 |
| brainwash | he said so | 14:23 |
| brainwash | but it takes soooo long :) | 14:23 |
| brainwash | where can we even track the status? | 14:24 |
| knome | bluesabre, he is, but stay on your toes just in case | 14:24 |
| knome | brainwash, please stop whining | 14:24 |
| bluesabre | lol | 14:24 |
| bluesabre | I'll push a merge request tomorrow morning if I don't hear anything | 14:24 |
| knome | bluesabre, it involves studio and mythbuntu seed, so careful! :) | 14:25 |
| bluesabre | ah | 14:25 |
| brainwash | but ibus is not involved? | 14:28 |
| bluesabre | one sec | 14:28 |
| brainwash | or did you forget to remove it manually | 14:29 |
| bluesabre | forgot to remove it | 14:29 |
| bluesabre | 1. new package does not pull ibus | 14:29 |
| bluesabre | 2. old (current) package does | 14:30 |
| bluesabre | so yes, fixes ibus as well | 14:30 |
| brainwash | ok | 14:30 |
| bluesabre | so, installation diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/7239825/ | 14:36 |
| bluesabre | which is silly | 14:37 |
| bluesabre | :D | 14:37 |
| knome | bluesabre, pretty much... | 14:46 |
| bluesabre | besides that issue, and abiword's zaniness, the release looks awesome | 14:55 |
| bluesabre | I am so ready to move on to libreoffice | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | going to really push for that next release | 14:56 |
| knome | hmm... | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | since abiword and gnumeric are some of the worst-designed gtk apps there are | 14:56 |
| knome | that would make the ISO over a gig though | 14:56 |
| knome | what about just dropping them altogether? | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | I wouldn't mind that personally | 14:57 |
| knome | well the next big target is 16.04 | 14:57 |
| bluesabre | right | 14:58 |
| knome | do (most) people really do their office stuff locally and not in the cloud in 2016? | 14:58 |
| knome | well i don't know, probably nobody knows | 14:58 |
| bluesabre | plenty of opinions on that ofc | 14:58 |
| knome | but i would say dropping abiword and gnumeric will make *more* sense *after* 14.04 | 14:58 |
| bluesabre | right-o | 14:58 |
| knome | regardless if it's (still) the optimal choice or not | 14:58 |
| knome | but i don't know | 14:58 |
| knome | i'm not the one who decides... | 14:59 |
| knome | 5 days and i'm free! | 14:59 |
| bluesabre | :'( | 14:59 |
| knome | we need to keep rolling forward | 14:59 |
| bluesabre | let's have some fun and put Unit193 in charge through the next LTS | 15:00 |
| brainwash | bug 1306952 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1306952 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword bug fix update for trusty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306952 | 15:04 |
| bluesabre | I'll take that for a spin | 15:06 |
| knome | bluesabre, please also ask for an ACK from the release team | 15:09 |
| bluesabre | of course | 15:09 |
| knome | i've asked about that yesterday and cjwatson said he'd probably ACK it if the diff was clean | 15:09 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: works well | 15:09 |
| bluesabre | knome: abiword or bluetooth? | 15:10 |
| knome | abiword | 15:10 |
| knome | i've no reason to think the bluetooth issue wouldn't be approved either | 15:10 |
| knome | only one of the abiword bugs were *actually* critical enough to be worth acking a final freeze exception | 15:11 |
| knome | the thing i asked from -release was if we could slip in a few low-prio bugs as well | 15:11 |
| brainwash | what about https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/thunar-volman/fix-automount ? | 15:12 |
| brainwash | or https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/xfwm4/fix-untiling | 15:12 |
| brainwash | is it worth to release an update after release? | 15:12 |
| knome | if volman actually fixes stuff (as it seems to), we could try to push it in | 15:13 |
| knome | and fast... to be done with one respin. | 15:13 |
| brainwash | indeed | 15:13 |
| knome | untiling? i'm not so sure if it's final freeze exception material | 15:14 |
| brainwash | the xfwm4 one hae very low priority | 15:14 |
| knome | and it's another package | 15:14 |
| brainwash | has | 15:14 |
| knome | so i'd consider that something for .1 | 15:14 |
| knome | or just regular updates | 15:14 |
| bluesabre | ^ | 15:14 |
| knome | linked the branch to the .1 blueprint | 15:15 |
| brainwash | ok, I just imaging people being very annoyed about this, tiling seems to quite popular and people surely want the original window size back after untiling | 15:15 |
| bluesabre | yeah, its an annoyance, but not a showstopper | 15:15 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate says it clearly | 15:16 |
| brainwash | but maybe that's not the case, there isn't even a lp report addressing this :D | 15:16 |
| knome | "... changes ... will only be allowed for very high-priority bugs that might justify delaying the release." | 15:16 |
| knome | fixing untiling? | 15:16 |
| knome | naaaah | 15:16 |
| brainwash | as update after release | 15:17 |
| brainwash | but before .1 | 15:17 |
| bluesabre | I love how to-the-point that is | 15:17 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: yes | 15:17 |
| bluesabre | its a bugfix | 15:17 |
| knome | and seriously, adding an icon to the abiword about dialog? hahah. | 15:17 |
| knome | DELAY THE RELEASE, WE ARE MISSING AN ICON! | 15:17 |
| brainwash | :P | 15:17 |
| knome | but yeah, if it can slip in with other high/critical stuff.. | 15:17 |
| brainwash | why not include it | 15:17 |
| bluesabre | :) | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | it could be critical | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | have you seen some linux reviews? | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | we have more wallpapers now | 15:18 |
| knome | brainwash, yes, let's include it. | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | our userbase is going to return! | 15:18 |
| knome | bluesabre, surely... :) | 15:18 |
| brainwash | more wallpapers, but no bottom panel... so | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | actually, now we don't have a screensaver | 15:19 |
| bluesabre | people are going to FREAK | 15:19 |
| brainwash | oh snap | 15:19 |
| knome | yes, the default desktop doesn't look like the desktop of the future | 15:19 |
| knome | ...that's how windows XP looked, btw | 15:19 |
| knome | yes, some of the reactions to dropping xscreensaver have been... interesting | 15:20 |
| bluesabre | ok, the patches look sane | 15:22 |
| bluesabre | going to make a branch and then bug the release folks | 15:22 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: can we include https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/lightdm-gtk-greeter/zoomed for .1? this implements the "zoomed" resize style properly, so the smooth greeter -> desktop transition works every time without any background changes | 15:23 |
| bluesabre | link it | 15:23 |
| brainwash | currently it scales the background correctly, but does not move it to the center of the screen | 15:24 |
| bluesabre | I've never had any issues with it myself | 15:24 |
| knome | brainwash, sounds like update stuff to me | 15:24 |
| knome | but we should probably sit down with it | 15:24 |
| knome | and read policies and ask about conventions | 15:24 |
| brainwash | it's an improvement | 15:24 |
| knome | and then see what we want to push as SRU's | 15:24 |
| brainwash | not a bug fix | 15:24 |
| bluesabre | its a bugfix for the greeter | 15:24 |
| brainwash | alright | 15:24 |
| brainwash | how is this a bug fix? | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | zoomed isn't right if it doesn't center | 15:25 |
| brainwash | but no one noticed | 15:25 |
| brainwash | so it worked like expected | 15:25 |
| knome | "no one noticed, can't be a bug" | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | well, its always worked right for me | 15:25 |
| knome | no, that's incorrect | 15:25 |
| knome | if nobody noticed a bug that got fixed, it was still a bug | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | but if there is an instance where it doesn't work | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | we should fix it | 15:25 |
| brainwash | if you chose a wallpaper with correct aspect ratio then you won't notice | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | create a bug for lightdm-gtk-greeter | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | and link your branch | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | :) | 15:26 |
| brainwash | ok :D | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | there's another bug I need to fix for the greeter this weekend | 15:26 |
| intekulan | audio indicator is back, I love you people :D | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | so I will probably roll that in with it | 15:26 |
| knome | Stable release updates will, in general, only be issued in order to fix high-impact bugs. | 15:26 |
| knome | from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel). | 15:27 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: well, you should test my branch first, pick some background picture with strange aspect ratio | 15:27 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: I'll take a vertical selfie and set it | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | :D | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | I don't merge without testing ;) | 15:28 |
| knome | +1 | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | and I almost always tweak other people's fixes | 15:28 |
| knome | though i'm sure your selfie will break it, and your monitor | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | I'm finicky | 15:28 |
| knome | (and the camera) | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | knome: most likely | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | better take a picture of the cat instead | 15:29 |
| bluesabre | look at the adorable kitty http://www.raydavisphotography.com/2014/04/10/the-simplest-answer-is-to-act/ | 15:29 |
| bluesabre | bah | 15:32 |
| bluesabre | abiword doesn't have an ubuntu branch | 15:32 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: have you poked #ubuntu-release yet? | 15:35 |
| bluesabre | added my poke | 15:40 |
| * knome goes testing menulibre | 16:06 | |
| knome | bluesabre, the advanced tab when editing a menu item has weird font antialiasing | 16:08 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: why does the light-locker-settings window always appear in the bottom right corner when I open it? | 16:11 |
| brainwash | what prevents it from being centered? | 16:12 |
| brainwash | it seems to be placed relative to the settings manager window | 16:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, how do i make something appear under settings manager->other instead of sm->system (or any other place) | 16:23 |
| knome | hmm, i crashed menulibre... | 16:23 |
| knome | hmm, and now it keeps breaking my menu | 16:26 |
| knome | i think i touched the tralala | 16:26 |
| knome | and especially the dingdingdong | 16:26 |
| knome | of menulibre | 16:26 |
| knome | bluesabre, poke -release again | 17:27 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: there is a property that is not set | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | knome: dang you | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | settings manager->other would be | 18:05 |
| bluesabre | Settings -> Settings | 18:05 |
| bluesabre | just the top one | 18:05 |
| knome | hmm. | 18:17 |
| Unit193 | knome: Also, let me help you with your favorite line: sudo apt-get purge apport whoopsie && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge :P | 18:23 |
| knome | :P | 18:24 |
| knome | bluesabre, bug 1306999 | 18:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1306999 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "When search results are shown, saving modifications breaks the menu structure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306999 | 18:28 |
| knome | bluesabre, bug 1307000 | 18:34 |
| ubottu | bug 1307000 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Menu structure view always has everything expanded after search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307000 | 18:34 |
| knome | bluesabre, bug 1307002 | 18:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1307002 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Can't remove some categories from a launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307002 | 18:45 |
| knome | bluesabre, have fun! | 18:45 |
| knome | InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release amd64 (20111012) | 18:46 |
| knome | oh la la | 18:46 |
| jhenke | knome sounds like good engineering that it worked up to 14.04 :D | 19:00 |
| knome | it's been breaking with every upgrade | 19:00 |
| knome | more or less in nasty ways.. | 19:00 |
| jhenke | I rather meant the whole system | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Beta i386 (20110413.2) | 19:02 |
| jhenke | you win xD | 19:08 |
| kajair | hello, we should make a strong team for developing xubuntu. the number of people in meetings of developing it are almost 10 | 19:28 |
| knome | yes... where have you been all these months? :) | 19:28 |
| knome | we can't force people to take part in meetings. | 19:29 |
| kajair | we dont force, we are showing this | 19:29 |
| kajair | i have been in that stupid xp | 19:29 |
| knome | who "we" ? | 19:29 |
| kajair | some peoples alike me | 19:30 |
| kajair | sorry for my poor english | 19:30 |
| knome | i don't understand your point... we need to get more people to attend the meetings? | 19:30 |
| knome | why? | 19:30 |
| Unit193 | Coffee and donuts. | 19:30 |
| knome | wouldn't it be better to get more people hanging around that actually contribute to xubuntu? | 19:30 |
| kajair | yes | 19:31 |
| kajair | the point is so simple. developing free open source os | 19:31 |
| knome | right... | 19:31 |
| knome | so what kind of ideas do you have to motivate people to join us? | 19:31 |
| kajair | spread and ad. right? | 19:32 |
| knome | i'm asking you. | 19:32 |
| kajair | i dont/wont force anyone to use it | 19:32 |
| kajair | ok | 19:32 |
| kajair | i told. spreading newses and benefits and adverts | 19:33 |
| knome | what kind of news? where? | 19:33 |
| knome | what benefits? none of the developers are making any money out of xubuntu, how can we give users more "benefits" than the free OS? | 19:33 |
| knome | we have one flyer, "XP to xubuntu", ready, and another is work in progress | 19:34 |
| kajair | i sawed that | 19:34 |
| knome | the flyer is available at http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/, you can print and spread it. | 19:34 |
| knome | that would be http://xubuntu.org/products/ for the actual download links | 19:34 |
| kajair | the main goals is to spread xubuntu and develop | 19:34 |
| kajair | nothing else | 19:34 |
| knome | you said we need news and benefits. can you elaborate what that would practically mean? | 19:35 |
| kajair | so the new futures need to be thought | 19:37 |
| kajair | i cant tell you quickly | 19:37 |
| knome | you can take all the time you need, we will be here and listening | 19:37 |
| kajair | ill promise any ideas that i and my friends thought about xubuntu will tell you | 19:38 |
| kajair | *me | 19:38 |
| knome | we will have brainstorming time once we have actually first kicked the LTS out of the door... | 19:38 |
| kajair | so when will be meeting? 15 april? | 19:39 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings always has the next meeting time | 19:39 |
| kajair | ok thanks | 19:39 |
| knome | we won't be discussing brainstorming for the next release in that meeting though | 19:39 |
| kajair | ok | 19:40 |
| kajair | excuse me what is your profession mr knome? | 19:42 |
| knome | i'm an entrepreneur. i also happen to be the xubuntu project lead | 19:42 |
| kajair | good | 19:43 |
| kajair | ok. later | 19:43 |
| knome | lderan, you around? | 19:45 |
| brainwash | does setting a picture as wallpaper work via thunar's context menu? | 19:55 |
| brainwash | we've included a patch so it should work with xfdesktop 4.11, but... | 19:56 |
| jhenke | good night folks | 19:58 |
| brainwash | good night jhenke | 19:58 |
| brainwash | anyone here willing to test it? | 19:59 |
| knome | brainwash, worksforme in trusty | 19:59 |
| brainwash | ok, thanks | 20:00 |
| brainwash | it works for my 2nd user account | 20:02 |
| brainwash | default resize style is "scaled" =S | 20:02 |
| knome | hmm, for me i think it was what it was | 20:03 |
| knome | but that's minor anyway | 20:03 |
| knome | people can go and poke at it | 20:03 |
| brainwash | right, I prefer consistency | 20:08 |
| brainwash | "zoomed" everywhere :) | 20:09 |
| brainwash | sadly no one noticed that and reports it in time | 20:10 |
| brainwash | consistency helps in this case, because it does not break the smooth greeter -> desktop transition | 20:12 |
| brainwash | oh, little typo in my abiword changelog entry :) | 20:14 |
| brainwash | hopefully no one notices it :P | 20:14 |
| knome | Logan_, around? | 20:15 |
| knome | bluesabre, ACK from release team | 20:15 |
| Logan_ | knome: somewhat | 20:16 |
| knome | Logan_, bug 1306952 needs uploading | 20:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1306952 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword bug fix update for trusty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306952 | 20:16 |
| knome | Logan_, we have an ACK from the release team to land it | 20:16 |
| knome | Logan_, are you able to get to it today? | 20:17 |
| Logan_ | has it been tested? | 20:22 |
| knome | brainwash? | 20:24 |
| knome | brainwash, did you get tests from others in? | 20:24 |
| brainwash | knome: elfy did, bluesabre too I think | 20:39 |
| brainwash | and me | 20:39 |
| brainwash | Logan_: there is a small typo in the debian changelog, should be "..saving-as-pdf.patch" instead of "..saving-to-pdf.patch" | 20:42 |
| brainwash | but I guess that no one will care anyway | 20:44 |
| Logan_ | brainwash: okay, I'll upload | 20:52 |
| brainwash | thanks :) | 20:52 |
| bluesabre0 | yay, working in a library! | 21:07 |
| brainwash | psst | 21:11 |
| bluesabre0 | what's up? | 21:14 |
| bluesabre0 | drat, library closes early tonight | 21:45 |
| starrats | How does xfce4-mixer work if there is none in settings editor and what xfce4 is Trusty using? | 22:18 |
| knome | why would it need to be xfce4? try pavucontrol. | 22:18 |
| knome | oh, right, you're asking about the xfce4 version... | 22:19 |
| knome | well, it's mostly 4.10 with some cherry-picked 4.11 components | 22:19 |
| starrats | friend of mine has an xfce box | 22:19 |
| starrats | yes | 22:19 |
| starrats | and he has an xfce case not box | 22:20 |
| starrats | I believe it was 4.8 | 22:20 |
| starrats | my friend is running xubuntu and he is looking the 'step size setting' that goes with the xfced4-mixer? | 22:24 |
| starrats | xfce4-mixer | 22:24 |
| lderan | knome, i am here now sorry was out | 22:30 |
| knome | lderan, that's ok | 22:31 |
| knome | lderan, how's the #done fixes coming along? | 22:31 |
| lderan | i submitted the merge request for it, will ask the alan if he has looked at it yet | 22:32 |
| starrats | does anyone know what happened to the 'volume step size setting' on xfce4-mixer? where did it go or what replaced it? | 22:33 |
| knome | lderan, oh, okay, so it's that far :) | 22:33 |
| lderan | :) | 22:33 |
| olbi | hi guys, now when MS open source allmost all .NET Platform, we add Smuxi ass default irc client in next release? :D | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | Uh, no. That'd pull in the mono stack. You can install smuxi in saucy or trusty now, what difference would any of that make anyway? | 22:57 |
| brainwash | exactly, installing all the mono libraries just to run one app.. no way | 23:04 |
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