[00:10] <amigamagic> I would only tell you that I admire and respect very much all the work it has been done on xubuntu... I tried debian 7 with xfce and it's EONS behind the work that xubuntu team has done to make xubuntu not only a great xfce based distro, but one of the most usable and configurable one.... Great, great work...
[00:11] <amigamagic> I can't wait for the new xubuntu LTS
[00:24] <knome> amigamagic, thanks, and enjoy
[00:28] <amigamagic> that's only a strange thing that it's happened to me, after the installation of xubuntu 13.10: I installed the distro and all the updates with a new pc attached to an old crt monitor at res of 1280x1024. I rebooted it several times and it worked flawless. After that, I powered off and I connected the PC to an LCD 1440x900 and... Up to the login screen it was all right but... After the login, it appeared the default
[00:30] <knome> i guess bigger monitor gets preference
[00:30] <amigamagic> Today I had no chance to investigate further, but tomorrow I will see again if I'm able to load the desktop environment. What do you think it happened?
[00:31] <knome> hmm, maybe your message was cut, at "appreared the default..." ?
[00:31] <amigamagic> After the login, it appeared the default background desktop wallpaper, but no xfce panels and no icons...
[00:32] <amigamagic> Very strange... I tried to reboot but it was the same thing...
[00:32] <amigamagic> After the login, a void desktop...
[00:32] <knome> did you reboot without the external monitor?
[00:33] <amigamagic> no, after power off (from the CRT) I attached the PC to an LCD and power on
[00:34] <knome> did everything else work though?
[00:34] <knome> or did the desktop appear as not working
[00:34] <amigamagic> knome, I was able to login in textual mode with CTRL-ALT-F1
[00:35] <knome> just checking: did you enable the root account?
[00:35] <amigamagic> but the graphical mode was only a void desktop... No I didn't enabled the root account
[00:35] <knome> ok, good. don't do that :)
[00:35] <amigamagic> root password void, during installation
[00:36] <knome> i'd try to remove the .Xauthority file and .cache directory from your home directory
[00:37] <amigamagic> ok, thanks, tomorrow I will try to do that... It is a PC in my office so I cannot try now.
[00:37] <knome> sure, good luck with it
[00:39] <amigamagic> I hope there are no problems. I would like to use this distro because I like it very much the way it's organized. And I love xfce. I think it has the potential to be the real gnome successor.
[00:39] <knome> i'd say thinking xfce is a "gnome successor" is an underestimate
[00:40] <amigamagic> you know, I think is very similar to the good old gnome 2, but it's lighter for what I could see.
[00:40] <knome> it's a lot more (and less...)
[00:41] <amigamagic> I like very much its customizability
[00:41] <amigamagic> and how much it's easy to customize it
[00:43] <amigamagic> and it doesn't want to be too "special FX" like others would like to do. Only the bare minimum to make a pretty productive workstation.
[01:41] <Donnie> I'm gonna make a live usb. only for live use... Is there a way to save changes to the usb that I put on it?
[01:55] <nomic> donnie. you should be able to save files to a live usb
[01:55] <nomic> i have used one on occasion to store a file .. the permissions alllow stuff to be copied on
[01:55] <nomic> yeah.
[01:55] <nomic> it's a filing system
[01:56] <nomic> personally I only stuck it onto root ie. without booting FROM the usb ...
[01:58] <mzr> so...I like 14.04 but the dock's gone, is that a hidden feature or am I going to have to get cairo or something?
[01:59] <amigamagic> mzr, the dock in xfce is a panel... So I think it should not be so difficult to recreat as you like...
[02:00] <mzr> gotcha, time to push rrandom buttons
[02:00] <mzr> any reason it was dropped?
[02:00] <amigamagic> I don't know, I'm on 13.10 now
[03:04] <xubuntu824> I'm going to have a live only thumbdrive... if I make some changes to it. can I save it to the drive?
[03:06] <holstein> xubuntu824: there are many ways to do that.. "persistent live usb stick".. but, i prefer just installing a normal installation to the USB
[03:12] <xubuntu824> How do I do that? :D
[03:14] <holstein> xubuntu824: i just install, like a normal install, selecting the desired USB stick as the destination
[03:14] <holstein> xubuntu824: i'll use an alternate ISO, or mini, or an installer that lets me select where grub goes
[03:14] <holstein> !mini
[03:14] <holstein> !alternate
[03:14] <holstein> not many alternate iso 's left, but the mini does the job fine
[03:18] <xubuntu824> Awesome.. I'm gonna do that.. I'm not a fan of dual boot, and I won't be using it as often as I should but it's nice to have it around for when I do..
[03:19] <holstein> xubuntu824: well, that is a booting stick.. thus dual boot
[03:20] <holstein> xubuntu824: you can and will mess up your windows boot loader if you try to take a normal installer live CD and install to the USB that way
[03:22] <holstein> xubuntu824: if it were me, and i had another machine laying around, i would remove the hard drive from there and prepare the stick on it
[04:26] <phm-grand_jct1> so i'm having a problem burning media
[04:27] <phm-grand_jct1> first things first, is there a quick way to pull up Bombono DVD error log?
[04:28] <phm-grand_jct1> what happened was there was a failed burn, then when i tried to play the file, i realized that (this being a new install) i had not yet installed the h.204 codecs (or whatever they are called), so i thought that might be the problem, so i tried to burn again, and got a weird result which is familiar from windows days when a burn would fail, you'd have to try a new medium, so i tried to eject the dvd and i am unable to do 
[04:29] <phm-grand_jct1> my guess would normally be a driver issue, but i can't find any linux drivers for the Phillips 8801 DVD Re-writer
[04:29] <phm-grand_jct1> so some help will be appreciated!
[04:29] <phm-grand_jct1> #rules
[04:31] <phm-grand_jct1> !nick phm-grand_junction
[04:31] <phm-grand_jct1> !nick
[05:05] <limey> anyone here?
[07:44] <ZatsuneNoMokou> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009997.html how do I record and post result if I wanna try?
[07:44] <cfhowlett> ZatsuneNoMokou see 14.04 channel = #ubuntu+1
[08:52] <phm-grand_jct> inappropriate ioctal?
[09:33] <amigamagic> hi, I would like to know 2 things: a) when the new LTS version will come out?  ---  b) I see that in the current 14.04 final beta thera are some known issues... They will be corrected before the official release?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> amigamagic release is April 17th
[09:35] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, thanks
[09:35] <amigamagic> and for the (b) question?
[09:35] <cfhowlett> amigamagic sorry, I'm not qualified to answer
[09:35] <amigamagic> I read of the issues here: http://xubuntu.org/blog/
[09:36] <amigamagic> another thing: if I install the last beta of 14.04 branch, then I will be able to upgrade to the official LTS release?
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !final|amigamagic
[09:37] <cfhowlett> amigamagic as far as the known issues, we can safely assume they're being worked on ...
[09:38] <amigamagic> so, now, on a new pc, do you think it's better for me to install the last 14.04 development version, instead of 13.10 ?
[09:39] <cfhowlett> amigamagic personally, I consider beta = beta.  I don't beta on my work machine
[09:40] <cfhowlett> others, however ...
[09:40] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, ok, but if there are so few days to release the official and it's based on the current development version...
[09:40] <cfhowlett> amigamagic call me superstitious
[09:41] <amigamagic> apart the security and relevant bug-fixes, shouldn't the current development branch be freezed as for new features?
[09:41] <cfhowlett> amigamagic yep
[09:42] <amigamagic> I mean, as debian testing when a stable release is imminent
[09:42] <amigamagic> they freeze the testing development
[09:42] <cfhowlett> amigamagic feature freeze has indeed been passed.
[09:43] <amigamagic> so, this is the case for xubuntu too, I think it will be safe to use a 14.04 development in this moment, unless currently there are yet critical bugs to solve...
[09:44] <amigamagic> do you know if current 14.04 has critical bugs not yet solved?
[09:44] <cfhowlett> amigamagic I don't really track such, but I've seen nothing in IRC or forums to suggest critical bugs
[09:45] <amigamagic> where I can download the very last development version? Maybe here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/beta-2/ ?
[09:46] <rayduf> hello  just install xubuntu on a pcchips desktop  p27g     did go in  ok  but  lost  all icon  on  any menu or submenu    appear and  disappear   when cursor slide over
[09:46] <cfhowlett> amigamagic http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[09:48] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, thanks!
[09:48] <cfhowlett> amigamagic have fun, be safe!
[09:58] <rayduf> can i recover my icons
[10:14] <rayduf> hello  just install xubuntu on a pcchips desktop  p27g     did go in  ok  but  lost  all icon  on  any menu or submenu    appear and  disappear   when cursor slide over
[10:15] <knome> rayduf, what's your native language?
[10:19] <amigamagic> if the installation is not damaged, to me rayduf problem appears as a theme problem or maybe a video driver problem
[10:20] <rayduf> native language is english now
[10:21] <amigamagic> rayduf, do you use the integrated vga of your motherboard?
[10:22] <rayduf> no  could not install  with  int vga  add a agp   video card
[10:23] <[1]amigamagic> sorry, connection problem... rayduf if you said something, then say it again... :P
[10:24] <rayduf> no  could not install  with  int vga  add a agp   video card
[10:24] <[1]amigamagic> what agp card is it?
[10:25] <rayduf> nvidia ge force 4 mx agp8x
[10:26] <amigamagic> mmmh... it's very old, but it shouldn't have problems for a light desktop environment like xfce...
[10:27] <knome> rayduf, what's the actual issue?
[10:27] <rayduf> ure  rite   but........   what  would  u  suggest
[10:27] <knome> rayduf, icons disappeared from the menu?
[10:27] <knome> or everywhere on the system?
[10:28] <rayduf> looks like  that  all  over
[10:28] <knome> did they just disappear or is there some other problems like them not being displayed clearly?
[10:29] <rayduf> no  just  icons  lost  and reappear  when  i slide  cursor  over
[10:29] <knome> cursor over what/where?
[10:30] <knome> how do the icons disappear? suddenly?
[10:31] <rayduf> if  i  open a  submenu    i loose  icons  in front  of  app name   then if i slide my cursor over the area  it reapears
[10:31] <amigamagic> what xubuntu version have you installed?
[10:31] <rayduf> they just blank out
[10:32] <rayduf> 13.10    and  used it  on  other  pc  here
[10:38] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[10:38] <cfhowlett> starrats greetings.  ask your xubuntu questions ...
[10:39] <starrats> no questions today cfhowlett just saying hello
[10:39] <rayduf>  hello  just install xubuntu on a pcchips desktop  p27g     did go in  ok  but  lost  all icon  on  any menu or submenu    appear and  disappear   when cursor slide over
[10:42] <amigamagic> hey guys I'm installing the last 14.04 daily and the installer says it is the 14.04 LTS !! So, after I installed this one, I will not have to do a dist-upgrade when it will be official released?
[10:42] <knome> !patience | rayduf
[10:43] <knome> amigamagic, you might have to do dist-upgrade, but not do-release-upgrade (or, a "release upgrade")
[10:43] <cfhowlett> amigamagic 14.04 has not been released yet.
[10:43] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, it's the daily development version you suggested to me before
[10:44] <cfhowlett> amigamagic understood.  so even though the numbering is correct, you'd still need to do-release-upgrade
[10:44] <cfhowlett> as knome correctly stated
[10:44] <knome> cfhowlett, that's incorrect...
[10:44] <cfhowlett> ??? elaborate please
[10:44] <knome> no need to do a do-release-upgrade; but probably a dist-upgrade
[10:44] <cfhowlett> !final
[10:45] <knome> yes.. dist-upgrade != do-release-upgrade
[10:45] <cfhowlett> knome right, right. Thank you.
[10:45] <knome> do-release-upgrade is what you need to do when you jump from a release to another, like 13.10 to 14.04
[10:45] <knome> if you installed the first 14.04 alpha, you still wouldn't need to do a do-release-upgrade to get the final 14.04
[10:46] <knome> because it's technically the same release (same repositories etc)
[10:46] <amigamagic> so when it will be official, I should do just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", right?
[10:46] <knome> amigamagic, yes.
[10:46] <knome> amigamagic, which updates your packages normally... so you could just update the packages from the GUI as well
[10:47] <amigamagic> ok, there will be some notify in current 14.04 development to notify me of the official release?
[10:47] <knome> no, because you are running 14.04.
[10:47] <cfhowlett> amigamagic usually, on release day it's 48 hours of "is it out yet?!!" all over IRC
[10:48] <cfhowlett> when that stops, it's out
[10:49] <amigamagic> the current repositories for the development branch are different from the future LTS official ones?
[10:49] <knome> no
[10:50] <knome> the package (version)s that the repositories will be different
[10:50] <knome> *the packages in the repositories have will..
[10:51] <knome> if you installed 14.04, you are on 14.04 until you upgrade (to 14.10 or 16.04)
[10:51] <knome> regardless if the installation ISO was alpha, beta, or RC
[10:52] <amigamagic> I mean, if current 14.04 development repositories are the same of the LTS ones, for what is the "apt-get dist-upgrade" for?
[10:52] <amigamagic> it will change something in the sources.list ?
[10:53] <phm-grand_jct> if you're in 14.04, you're in Ubuntu, not Xu, yeah? or did i miss an announcement?
[10:53] <amigamagic> phm-grand_jct, I'm on the the current daily development version of xubuntu 14.04
[10:54] <phm-grand_jct> any bearings loose?
[10:54] <amigamagic> and it should be the next LTS within a few days
[10:54] <knome> amigamagic, http://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade/81594#81594
[10:54] <starrats> amigamagic I am also running xubuntu 14.04
[10:56] <phm-grand_jct> i'm just wondering if anyone ever tried both Thunar and Nemo and had a preference between them
[10:56] <knome> phm-grand_jct, nemo is practically nautilus
[10:56] <knome> they are both file managers.. thus very similar
[10:56] <phm-grand_jct> how recent is that perception?
[10:57] <phm-grand_jct> of course it's very similar
[10:57] <knome> it was forked from nautilus in 2012
[10:57] <cfhowlett> !poll|phm-grand_jct
[10:57] <phm-grand_jct> i was about to tell you that
[10:58] <phm-grand_jct> but anyway, i'm just wondering if it's better or worse, in someone's experience, than thunar
[10:58] <knome> i'm not understanding the scope of the question...
[10:58] <knome> if thunar has all the features you need, i would advise using that if you are running xubuntu
[10:58] <amigamagic> I'm trying the new xfce environment and I find it beautiful. XFCE is going in the right direction... That new applications menu is great!
[10:59] <phm-grand_jct> thunar confuses me a little
[10:59] <phm-grand_jct> i've gotten used to it
[11:00] <amigamagic> phm-grand_jct, to me thunar is not different from nautilus
[11:00] <amigamagic> it's nearly the same
[11:00] <amigamagic> apart some little things
[11:01] <phm-grand_jct> what got me on this this morning was that i right-clicked, assuming i'd be able to create a new LibreOffice document, or even Abiword, and I was unable, and then I started trying to figure out how to make that menu happen, and got confused, and don't remember not being able to do this in Ubu 12.04
[11:01] <amigamagic> but for most things it works as you expect, like when you press CTRL-H to make visible hidden files, or press CTRL-1. 2. 3 to alternate different type of view, etc.
[11:01] <amigamagic> phm-grand_jct, you can do that in thunar too
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> Templates
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> okay, yeah, templates, but ... f*ck
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> something in my head is not making a connection, like, okay, i want an ODT
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> so i create an ODT in Templates
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> and i go to create new document
[11:02] <phm-grand_jct> and it creates it, and everything, but i just want it to open the dang program and let me use it when i click
[11:03] <knome> phm-grand_jct, please watch your language and attitude.
[11:04] <cfhowlett> phm-grand_jct different program = different behavior
[11:05] <phm-grand_jct> thunar is the program in question; i want to utilize its ability to create new files from the right-click menu, so how do i get this going?
[11:06] <phm-grand_jct> right now when i create the new document, it just creates a new file with that file extension and the name you input
[11:06] <phm-grand_jct> what i WANT it to do is when i click that link in the menu, it launches the associated program and lets me save at my leisure, or even if it makes me enter the name, lets me edit the file without another step; otherwise what is the purpose of this menu?
[11:07] <cfhowlett> phm-grand_jct please read   http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/start
[11:07] <knome> you can create a custom menu action if you wish to have filename input and launch the app when the file is created
[11:08] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> knome, how is this done?
[11:08] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> cfhowlett, thank you for your contribution to the Google AdSense Program.
[11:08] <amigamagic> I have to say, current behaviour is the usual you expect from a file manager. In Windows it happens the same thing: it creates a new file without launch its related application.
[11:09] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> amiga, in thinking about it, i realized that you're right
[11:09] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> before you had said so, but anyway, this is the behavior that i want
[11:09] <knome> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions
[11:09] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> thank you knome
[11:10] <phm-GJ-CO-US[AFK> i'll make a howbunto about it, simple enough i'm sure, but was frustrating to me and not immediately obvious
[11:11] <amigamagic> I think thunar is pretty powerful.
[11:16] <amigamagic> the new whisker menu is a very great plus to the usability of xfce environment
[11:20] <amigamagic> the official linux kernel of 14.04 LTS will be the version 3.13.0.24 ?
[11:21] <jhenke> amigamagic proably on release day, but normally the kernel tends to get updates from time to time
[11:21] <jhenke> so 3.13 definitelly
[11:22] <jhenke> but 3.13.0-24, just for the time being
[11:22] <amigamagic> the updater already proposes to me the update to kernel image 3.13.0-24
[11:22] <amigamagic> it's a stable kernel?
[11:22] <jhenke> sure, ubuntu never released a version with an unrealeased upstream kernel version
[11:22] <starrats> I'm using it now amigamagic
[11:22] <cfhowlett> amigamagic if it's in the normal upgrade stream, yes
[11:23] <amigamagic> ok, thanks :)
[11:23] <jhenke> I even was hoping 14.04 would be on 3.14, but they did not rebase when that one was released upstream 1-2 weeks ago
[11:24] <cfhowlett> jhenke when it's ready, it'll happen
[11:24] <jhenke> in 14.04?
[11:24] <cfhowlett> jhenke sometime over the 5 year life-span?  absolutely.
[11:24] <jhenke> not in this life, they always stay on the same upstream branch for the entire release
[11:25] <starrats>  3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:25] <jhenke> no, there will just be the hardware enablement stacks
[11:25] <amigamagic> debian 7 stable uses an old kernel 3.2, so to me (I came from debian) 3.13 is very new... :D
[11:25] <jhenke> my server is running ubuntu server 12.04 and that one is also on 3.2
[11:26] <jhenke> which is the 12.04 defauöt
[11:26] <amigamagic> jhenke, on a recent pc,  with debian I had to update the kernel because it had critical problems with the acpi of my machine
[11:26] <jhenke> 3.2.0-60 to be exact ;)
[11:27] <amigamagic> after I backported to the 3.13.xxx acpi worked well
[11:27] <jhenke> that is the reason I was hoping 14.04 would use the 3.14 branch
[11:27] <cfhowlett> jhenke that's what I've got as well
[11:28] <amigamagic> the strange thing is that on that pc ubuntu 12.04 worked flawless
[11:28] <jhenke> so 14.04 will remain with 3.13.0 for the next 5 years
[11:28] <olbi> omfg, added news repo to USC, than update and it can'f find app by its name :/ what a shit it still is
[11:28] <amigamagic> but debian 7 wheezy didn't work
[11:28] <knome> olbi, watch the language.
[11:28] <cfhowlett> olbi clean language is required to use this channel.  thank you.
[11:28] <olbi> sorry :P
[11:29] <jhenke> you only have the option ot install the hardwar enablement stacks with the point releases, which backport the kernel from 14.10,15.04,15.10
[11:29] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Hi, I have just one question, with light-locker, there's no screen saver like there was with xscreensaver?
[11:30] <knome> ZatsuneNoMokou, correct.
[11:30] <ZatsuneNoMokou> xD it sucks
[11:30] <knome> you can remove light-locker and keep using xscreensaver if the screensaver is the feature you "need" the most
[11:30] <jhenke> I haven't used a screensaver in the last 5 years or so
[11:31] <ZatsuneNoMokou> it's planned to be added later or no? I don't need to re-add as I have just upgraded to 14.04
[11:31] <knome> not planned
[11:31] <amigamagic> I'm currently trying xubuntu 14.04 (nearly-LTS :D) on a vmware machine, and do you know how can I disable that floppy disk icon on the desktop? I haven't configured floppy devices in the virtual machine, but it appears in the fstab.
[11:31] <jhenke> if you are upgrading you should still xscreensaver installed
[11:32] <knome> amigamagic, disable device icons from desktop
[11:32] <amigamagic> knome, then if I insert a pendrive I will not see it?
[11:32] <knome> that's correct
[11:32] <amigamagic> how can I disable "only" the floppy icon?
[11:33] <jhenke> amigamagic you can check vmware to see if you can remove the floppy driver emulation somewhere
[11:33] <knome> i think i've done that once, iirc, it involved poking fstab
[11:33] <jhenke> or you can check if vmware offers a uefi based vm as well
[11:34] <amigamagic> jhenke, I checked in vmware configuration, but I have no floppy device installed in my virtual machine config
[11:34] <jhenke> on hyper-v there is a second generation vm that does away with this legacy hardware like floppy drive, maybe there is something similar
[11:34] <amigamagic> maybe I should check in the vmware bios
[11:34] <jhenke> amigamagic I read that, still it looks like the vm simulates the hardware connection for it
[11:36] <ZatsuneNoMokou> xscreensaver will stay in the packages?
[11:36] <knome> ZatsuneNoMokou, on upgrading yes, but not on new installs.
[11:36] <knome> ZatsuneNoMokou, but it will be available in the repositories for all
[11:36] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Oh thanks
[11:37] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I had just one problem when I try to upgrade
[11:37] <amigamagic> ok I found the floppy option in the bios of the vmware machine (F2 at the boot, to enter in vmware bios). I disabled it and now there is no more that icon on the desktop... :)
[11:37] <jhenke> amigamagic great
[11:37] <ZatsuneNoMokou> the installed version of nemo (from launchpad ppa) was needing a version of a package that was needed to update
[11:38] <knome> ZatsuneNoMokou, you always use PPA's at your own risk and you accept the probability that it will "break" your system in a way or another... to put it other way, that's not a xubuntu issue
[11:39] <amigamagic> what's evolution-calendar-factory? It takes 45MB of ram
[11:39] <ZatsuneNoMokou> okay
[11:39] <jhenke> ZatsuneNoMokou PPAs are always a problem, when you need one, I really suggest to stay at the older version until the PPA maintainer has updated the PPA for the new version
[11:40] <ZatsuneNoMokou> the stable version of nemo ppa need a version of a package that is older than the version in 14.04
[11:41] <amigamagic> can I safely uninstall Evolution Data Server ?
[11:41] <amigamagic> I don't thin I need it
[11:41] <jhenke> ZatsuneNoMokou as I said,, if you really reley on the PPA, stay with 12.04 or 13.10 until 14.04 is suported by the PPA
[11:42] <amigamagic> I hate things that I don't need and take my ram away
[11:43] <ZatsuneNoMokou> well, I'm using nightly ppa of nemo now, it seems to work
[11:43] <knome> amigamagic, safely... if you don't need it and removing it won't remove other stuff you need.. why couldn't you do it?
[11:43] <amigamagic> in previous xubuntu (13.10) I had < 200MB occupied ram after the boot. Now I have nearly 400MB at the boot
[11:43] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I'll put the stable version when it'll available
[11:43] <jhenke> amigamagic with our without the kernel cache?
[11:44] <jhenke> i.e. did you use "free -h" or other means to get the value
[11:44] <amigamagic> it's the indicator I added on the panel
[11:44] <amigamagic> that indicator of the cpu load, memory load, etc.
[11:46] <jhenke> cautious, RAM is in your pc to be used, as long as there is free memory, some parts of the system might use it
[11:46] <jhenke> if you really want to know how much of your memory is actually claimed by applications you can use "free -h" on a terminal or "htop" on a terminal
[11:47] <jhenke> the first one shows the memory usage without the kernel caching in the second line
[11:47] <jhenke> the second one shows the allocated memory for every running process
[11:48] <[1]amigamagic> jhenke, does linux uses some windows vista/7/8-like algo to fill unused ram in advance?
[11:48] <[1]amigamagic> I didn't see that in previous xubuntu
[11:48] <jhenke> that is not true
[11:48] <jhenke> every os kernel will use unused memory to buffer some data
[11:49] <jhenke> also linux did that for a long time already
[11:49] <[1]amigamagic> jhenke, yes but that usually happens when you load some program
[11:49] <jhenke> because it actally improves the performance of your system
[11:49] <[1]amigamagic> if you do that in advance is another thing
[11:49] <knome> jhenke, [1]amigamagic: can you take this one to #xubuntu-offtopic? cheers
[11:49] <jhenke> knome sorry
[11:50] <knome> no problem
[11:50] <jhenke> mea culpa
[11:50] <amigamagic> ok sorry
[11:50] <amigamagic> it's more a generic linux topic
[11:50] <knome> yep, -offtopic is suited for that
[11:50] <jhenke> amigamagic I'll try to explain it if you join #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:50] <amigamagic> ok thanks :)
[12:30] <xubuntu586> hola
[12:30] <xubuntu586> alguien me puede ayudar con los controladores de mi tarjeta de video
[12:30] <xubuntu586> ???
[12:31] <xubuntu586> me los he descargado de nVidia para Linux pero no se instalarlos
[12:32] <cfhowlett> !es|xubuntu586!
[12:33] <xubuntu586> gracias
[13:32] <Guido1> Hello, I have Xubuntu and on the ext4 system partition 19 GB are in use. That seams to me quite a lot. How can I reduce it? (See which files and programs are not used any more etc.)
[13:34] <amigamagic> it's the usual size for a modern os distro, in my opinion
[13:34] <amigamagic> with the usual applications installed, I mean
[13:34] <amigamagic> office, web browsing, graphics, etc.
[13:35] <amigamagic> but of course, you could uninstall all the unwanted programs
[13:35] <elfy> Guido1: if you want a GUI way of looking at where space is used - install baobab
[13:36] <elfy> Guido1: unless you have a seperate /home partition then things like media will be in that 19Gb
[13:39] <Guido1> elfy: I have a seperate partition for media and documents
[13:42] <Guido1> elfy: that's why i'm iritated by that amount of used space
[13:42] <elfy> Guido1: run this sudo du -h --max-depth=1 / |pastebinit
[13:43] <elfy> let's have a look at the url when it's done
[13:44] <amigamagic> how can I check disk usage in xubuntu? There is a gui app?
[13:45] <Guido1> elfy: No access to ‘/proc/2834/task/2834/ns/net
[13:45] <knome> amigamagic, install baobab
[13:46] <amigamagic> I have to install baobab only to check how much space is actually used on my hdd?
[13:47] <elfy> amigamagic: no - you wanted a GUI method
[13:47] <elfy> Guido1: yea - but it should still spit out a url
[13:48] <amigamagic> I think in xubunutu there was an applet I could add to the panel
[13:48] <amigamagic> but I cannot find it anymore
[13:49] <Guido1> elfy: sadly not or still running
[13:49] <elfy> it might take a while to run - it did here - had to decide what to do with the 500Gb of media here
[13:51] <amigamagic> anyway, now that I think about it, 19GB for a linux install is pretty big :D
[13:51] <Guido1> elfy: baobab helpet. the browser uses 13 gb, but still i think i can free some space
[13:51] <amigamagic> now my used space is 4GB
[13:52] <amigamagic> your browser uses 13GB ??
[13:52] <amigamagic> wow, what a cache!
[13:53] <Guido1> amigamagic: al the mails are saved offline
[13:53] <amigamagic> 13GB of emails is pretty big too :)
[13:55] <amigamagic> so, baobab is Disk Usage Analyzer...
[13:55] <amigamagic> I didn't know...
[13:56] <knome> Guido1, well if you have 19GB space and 13GB is used by your browser/mails, i would definitely start looking there
[13:56] <Guido1> elfy, amigamagic: But i think i can still free some space, because i tryed to instal node just to run a java program (alternative for prezi). If I don't want the program using node I can remove node as well. there are some more programs, but how can i see which i can remove and what the pakage name is?
[13:56] <amigamagic> synaptic?
[13:57] <Guido1> elfy, amigamagic, knome: one mail account is 5,6 GB, second 3,7, GB third 3,3 GB
[13:58] <amigamagic> maybe you could free 1 or 2GB
[13:58] <amigamagic> from installed apps
[13:59] <Guido1> amigamagic: yes, would also make sense. what do i have on not used stuff?
[13:59] <knome> the regular 14.04 installation uses about 6GB of space
[13:59] <knome> Guido1, you could try if 'sudo apt-get autoclean' helps any
[14:00] <elfy> Guido1: I'm just off out - but perhaps you could at moving firefox out and symlinking it
[14:00] <elfy> that's what I do with f/fox, tbird, hexchat and a few other things
[14:00] <amigamagic> knome, the 14.04 I just installed is 4GB
[14:00] <Guido1> knome: what are the consequences? Removing al new programs?
[14:01] <Guido1> elfy: yes, that could be interesting, but how?
[14:02] <elfy> firefox - move the folder out - then in your home - edit profile ini to point at the new location for the files
[14:02] <Guido1> elfy: I also want to update the dpendencies for music etc. (so that it automaticlie opens the correct map)
[14:02] <elfy> anyway - good luck - I'm off out now
[14:02] <Guido1> elfy: bye and thanks
[14:03] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/8LPXQg0z
[14:03] <elfy> that's my profile.ini in .mozilla/firefox
[14:03] <elfy> bye
[14:06] <Guido1> elfy: thanks
[14:08] <Guido1> how can i find out which apps i can remove and what the names for removing are?
[14:08] <knome> Guido1, removes unneeded packages downloaded when installing them
[14:09] <Guido1> knome: i mean for example node. I installed it to run another program, but im'm not interested in the other program any more. so bothe can be removed
[14:10] <knome> Guido1, if you have manually installed node, then you will need to manually uninstall it
[14:11] <knome> Guido1, after you remove that, run 'sudo apt-cache autoremove' which will then remove all unneeded packages that node (and others) might have been pulling in
[14:11] <knome> note that autoremove won't delete applications that are manually installed
[14:12] <Guido1> knome: yes, but i need to know the needed name to include in the remove commant - sudo apt-get remove packagename and I'm not sure which other packuges could also be removed
[14:14] <knome> Guido1, no, you don't. run 'sudo apt-get remove PACKAGE_YOU_INSTALLED'. then run 'sudo apt-get autoremove', which will remove all applications that were automatically installed and no longer needed
[14:14] <Guido1> sudo apt-get remove PACKAGE_YOU_INSTALLED to remove node
[14:15] <Guido1> and there are more programs like node, but not always i remember the name
[14:15] <knome> there isn't much we can do about that
[14:15] <knome> i think there are some apps that try to track what you have installed and what not, but i am not familiar with them
[14:16] <Guido1> shouldn't you able to see all apps and than find out which are system apps and which are others?
[14:20] <knome> Guido1, what do you mean by "system apps"?
[14:20] <knome> the system is unaware of what was installed during installation, if you are referring to that
[14:21] <Guido1> knome: apps needed to run linux including drivers etc.
[14:21] <knome> Guido1, there are app categories, but not all "system" apps are installed
[14:21] <knome> and xubuntu installs a lot of non-system apps by default
[14:22] <Guido1> yes, but i don't want to remove somthing i need to run / start linux
[14:22] <knome> i understand.
[14:23] <Guido1> and i just got an error by "sudo apt-cache autoremove" - Invalid operation autoremove
[14:24] <Guido1> (empty the cach)
[14:24] <knome> what about trying 'sudo apt-get autoremove' as i suggested
[14:27] <cfhowlett> UBUNTU reference sheet:   https://www.dropbox.com/s/msv95ijbb0uoeb4/Ubuntu%20Reference%20Sheet.pdf
[14:27] <Guido1> knome: nothing to delete, but according to baobab there are 190 mb in .cach
[14:28] <knome> i'd consider that a small amount comparing to your email stuff
[14:28] <knome> you can safely remove ~/.cache though
[14:28] <knome> lunch/dinner, bbl
[14:28] <Guido1> yes, but the mails i want to keep, but i want to have it clean / tidy
[14:30] <Guido1> knome: what's the comment for that? (safely remove ~/.cache though
[14:30] <Guido1>  lunch/dinner, bbl)
[14:34] <Guido1> knome: and do i need ".thumbnails"?
[14:44] <knome> Guido1, you can remove ~/.cache, there's nothing important in there
[14:44] <knome> Guido1, you can also remove ~/.thumbnails, but they will be recreated when you browse the filesystem
[14:45] <Guido1> okee, how can i remove them? from the explorer or with sudo and if with sudo how?
[14:47] <knome> Guido1, for example from the file manager
[14:47] <Guido1> good
[15:02] <Guido1> is somewehre a list / map with al installed apps?
[15:04] <JT_the_Ninja> hola
[15:04] <Guido1> can i also delete tmp?
[15:13] <JT_the_Ninja> anyone available to answer an apt-related problem?
[15:14] <slickymaster> !ask | JT_the_Ninja
[15:15] <JT_the_Ninja> sure thing.
[15:17] <JT_the_Ninja> Every time I use apt-get (upgrade, dist-upgrade, install, etc.) I get an error that says "ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring;Is the ubuntu-keyring package installed?" I haven't deleted anything from keyrings, so I don't know what the problem is, and now obviously I can't apt-get install --reinstall to try and fix any broken packages. Unsure of what to do at this point.
[15:21] <slickymaster> JT_the_Ninja, have you tried to run sudo apt-get -f install ubuntu-keyring in the terminal?
[15:23] <JT_the_Ninja> @slickymaster yep; it says it's the newest version.
[15:23] <JT_the_Ninja> and I still get the same error message if I, say, use install --reinstall.
[15:26] <slickymaster> JT_the_Ninja, what about -> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:26] <JT_the_Ninja> @slickymaster: same error, unfortunately.
[15:31] <JT_the_Ninja> wait I think I might've fixed it....
[15:31] <slickymaster> JT_the_Ninja, being so, I'm afraid you're facing a major issue, which only might be resolved by a fresh install
[15:31] <JT_the_Ninja> I copied the backup ubuntu-keyring.gpg from the /save folder
[15:32] <JT_the_Ninja> haha!
[15:32] <JT_the_Ninja> thanks! you helped me look at it a different way
[15:35] <JT_the_Ninja> peace
[16:03] <Guido1> hello, is there a way to fix windows xp from out linux? After hitting xp by grub i only get to see a blinking "_"
[16:09] <holstein> Guido1: windows XP support is ended.. you should ask in a windows channel about support options.. you can use ubuntu or live rescue CD's to address many issues such as filesystem, but, if a hard drive is failing (which is likely on an XP era machine) you wont fix that with any software
[16:11] <Guido1> holstein: the hard drive is okee. linux works fine. there are some nice programs on xp. i think the problem is somewehre within xp. maybe the conection betwene grub and windows. i do not want to lose xubuntu by fixing xp
[16:17] <holstein> Guido1: im not addressing "nice" or quality in any way.. you are free to use XP as long as you like
[16:17] <holstein> Guido1: the fact is, you need to test the hard drive, and should not assume everything is "fine"
[16:17] <holstein> Guido1: linux working fine on that hard drive doenst indicate its fine
[16:18] <delt> i have an old mac plus from the 80's and its hard disk seems to still be working fine...
[16:18] <holstein> Guido1: if it were me, i would ust a live CD ( i like the ultimate boot cd) to run a smart test on the hard drive, then, i would try filesystem repairs, then, i would try the repairative windows XP install, then, reinstalling XP
[16:19] <Guido1> holstein: i not only assume that the drive is okee. use inux on it, cheked with geparted etc. it's from the beginning time from vista
[16:19] <holstein> Guido1: you should try and mount the windows partitions (as well as the other partitions on that disk) and backup any important data ASAP
[16:19] <holstein> Guido1: you do a test now, and you know all is ok.. if you havent, then you are assuming..
[16:19] <holstein> Guido1: if you have, then you know its fine, and you move on to the next suggestions..
[16:20] <holstein> delt: test and you'll know for sure..
[16:20] <delt> holstein: i plan to eventually -)
[16:21] <Guido1> i did a test. so i know it;s okee. how do i do "filesystem repairs, then, i would try the repairative windows XP install"?
[16:21] <delt> this is weird.. all of a sudden jackd is completely tying up my sound card. i used to be able to run dozens of stuff all using it at once through alsa
[16:21] <delt> now i still can, -except- jack.
[16:22] <delt> it completely ties up the sound card, and even freezes programs that might be using it until it exits or they do.
[16:23] <Guido1> i tryed the windows live cd adnd for some reason it does not offer an repairfunction and i don't want to kill grub
[16:24] <delt> Guido1: you can easily reinstall grub after you're done with the windows stuff
[16:24] <delt> well... "easily", it does take a bit of know how
[16:25] <Guido1> yes, i know, but i prefeur without
[16:26] <Guido1> and i need to know how to fix windows without the instalation cd - somhow the windows recovery cd does not offer a (visible) recovery function - only new instalation
[16:28] <holstein> Guido1: windows has no live CD
[16:28] <delt> this is weird.... renoise and pianoteq (both using alsa) can coexist with jackd, but other programs using pulse or alsa (mplayer, firefox/swf, etc) nope....
[16:28] <holstein> Guido1: there is (and you should ask in a proper windows support venue) a repairative installation option i have used many times
[16:29] <delt> atm i have jackd, renoise, and pianoteq all using alsa, everything is running fine. but jackd seems to be blocking other programs from using the sound card.
[16:29] <holstein> Guido1: keeps the data in place, and repairs the OS.. otherwise, you backup your data, and reinstall the broken system
[16:29] <knome> delt, i'd ask #ubuntustudio for more insightful answers on audio stuff
[16:29] <knome> delt, you'll meet holstein there... :)
[16:29] <delt> knome: thanks
[16:29] <holstein> delt: thats the pulse jack dbus
[16:29] <Guido1> holstein: not like linux, but a cd from where you are normaly able to repair. i lokked in some topics. they al say the same - it shows r = repair, but i can't chose it :-S
[16:30] <kupo_> is it simple to try out different window managers ?
[16:31] <holstein> kupo_: i suggest trying them from live CD's, so you dont break your system, but, yes..
[16:32] <holstein> Guido1: ask in a windows support channel about that. i have found cases where the repair option wasnt there from certain OEM disks, and i reinstalled the OS
[16:32] <Guido1> okee, i will check again
[16:32] <kupo_> ok. brb
[16:41] <kupo_> welp. on awesome. seems odd. everything is bigger heh
[16:43] <kupo_> Okay. enough of that for now
[17:47] <martinrame> Hi, does anyone was able to install skype on XUbuntu 13.10 64bits ?
[17:47] <holstein> martinrame: i just got the .deb from the site, and installed
[17:47] <baizon> martinrame: yes, me
[17:47] <holstein> !skype
[17:48] <martinrame> after sudo apt-get install skype it says I need to install skype-bin, and then http://pastebin.com/KSpd1feG
[17:50] <holstein> martinrame: have you tried removing that, and installing from the skype site? the *.deb ?
[17:51] <martinrame> holstein: yes, and got the same i386 dependencies problems. BTW, what should I remove?
[17:51] <holstein> martinrame: i just followed proceedure for installing the 32bit .deb on my 64bit system, IIRC
[17:52] <martinrame> I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype if that not works I'll try again downloading from skype's site.
[17:52] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/359156/how-do-you-run-a-32-bit-program-on-a-64-bit-version-of-ubuntu for example
[17:52] <Unit193> martinrame: I use the one from the partner repo, works fine.
[17:53] <holstein> nothing wrong with the partner repo one ^.. i just use the one from the site..
[17:55] <martinrame> I'm on skype's site should I download Ubuntu 12.04 (multiarch), Debian 7.0 (multiarch) or Dynamic version?
[17:55] <holstein> martinrame: there is no "should", really.. but, i suggest trying the repo version that Unit193 says works fine.. there is nothing wrong with it..
[17:56] <martinrame> Unit193: can you point me to that repo?
[17:56] <holstein> martinrame: when i dont do that, i'll just download the most recent ubuntu version.. which, i was under the imporession you had already tried
[17:56] <Unit193> martinrame: Should be commented out in /etc/apt/sources.list already.
[17:56] <holstein> should be what the wiki page suggests..
[17:56] <martinrame> I have it uncommented:  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu saucy partner
[17:56] <Unit193> holstein: It in fact, had a pulseaudio workaround whereas the one from their site didn't.
[17:57] <holstein> Unit193: handy!
[17:57] <Unit193> !info skype-bin partner
[17:57] <martinrame> here's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/nLpAMFaq
[17:58] <martinrame> Do you see anything wrong?
[18:04] <Unit193> martinrame: Oh dear, you used some sort of "repo maker" didn't you?  Well anyway, should be able to  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[18:05] <martinrame> Unit193: yes, after following some of those tutorials of how to f*king install skype :)
[18:05] <martinrame> Unit193: it still does not work
[18:05] <Unit193> What's the error?
[18:06] <martinrame> This http://pastebin.com/rTQWjSKa
[18:08] <Unit193> If you have held packages, that can mess it up, as in theory could a PPA.  It's finding the package, just not being clear what the problem is.
[18:10] <martinrame> Is there a way to go the apt system back to an initial state? without removing any app?
[18:10] <martinrame> I mean initial to the moment of installing.
[18:11] <holstein> martinrame: undo whatever you have installed, or purge ppa's.. then, put in default sources
[18:11] <holstein> !ppa
[18:13] <martinrame> !ppa-purge
[18:14] <holstein> which wont work well, if you have already changed your sources
[18:15] <martinrame> hehe, here's the autogenerated sources.list http://pastebin.com/q35phiyy
[18:16] <holstein> martinrame: not sure what is "auto generating" what, but, i'll grab a live CD, or get sources from a fresh install.. whatever it takes
[18:17] <martinrame> holstein: I mean, I deleted sources.list and ran software-properties-gtk
[18:18] <martinrame> holstein: it generated that small sources.list
[18:18] <holstein> martinrame: that  doesnt remove the packages you may or may not have installed from ppa's or other sources.. or deb files
[18:20] <martinrame> holstein: now I did sudo apt-get --purge remove skype && sudo apt-get autoremove aparently now the system is clean
[18:21] <martinrame> now I have to add the partner repo
[18:21] <holstein> martinrame: should be all there is to it.. should be well outlined on the wiki page
[18:25] <laxdog> Will it be easy to update the final beta to the full version, or would I be better just waiting for the final release?
[18:26] <martinrame> no way, I've added the partner ppa, please see http://pastebin.com/NkdDw9ns
[18:26] <Unit193> laxdog: It'll just be a  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade  away.  In theory, if you install later you won't have indicator-datetime and ibus installed, but at this point very minor changes.
[18:27] <martinrame> then sudo apt-eget install skype, it suggested skype-bin, then sudo apt-get install skype-bin, but I get the same i386 dependencies problem.
[18:27] <martinrame> Here's http://pastebin.com/NQSybSfD
[18:28] <laxdog> Unit193: Ok, great. Thanks. I guess I'll just install now then.
[19:14] <amigamagic> someone knows how to check if 3d acceleration is enabled?
[19:17] <holstein> amigamagic: i just fire something up that requires 3d.. glxinfo may do what you seek
[19:17] <amigamagic> yes, I do that too
[19:18] <amigamagic> usually I do glxgears and the fps is locked at 60
[19:18] <amigamagic> but when I had debian 7 installed, the fps where near 2000fps
[19:18] <amigamagic> sorry, where = were
[19:19] <holstein> amigamagic: could be a different driver, kernel, or misconfiguration
[19:19] <holstein> amigamagic: i like to reference steam, and what they suggest to use for drivers
[19:19] <holstein> !steam
[19:19] <holstein> i think the suggest the xorg edgers ppa
[19:20] <amigamagic> actually I have an intel gpu (I think it's integrated in the cpu)
[19:21] <rstreeter> how can I configure sendto menu to use geary as the mail client?
[19:21] <holstein> amigamagic: the ppa they reference could effect intel
[19:22] <kajair> there is no send to in my files right click menu dear
[19:23] <kajair> is there anyone here to join the xubuntu-devel meetings?
[19:24] <knome> kajair, there are xubuntu developers in this channel
[19:25] <kajair> hi knome, i know but we should collect people for this very tiny meetings.
[19:26] <knome> kajair, what's your point?
[19:26] <knome> kajair, maybe you should take it to #xubuntu-devel...
[19:26] <kajair> oki oki. sorry
[19:41] <amigamagic> so, there is some way to detect at 100% if your vga is 3d accelerated with the current driver or the opengl is software emulated?
[19:42] <amigamagic> I tried glxgears, but it doesn't help me much... The fps appear to be locked at 60fps
[19:42] <amigamagic> my vga is an Intel HD Graphics integrated in a Pentium G3220 cpu
[19:53] <amigamagic> let's say in the other way: it's possible to "disable" current 3d hardware acceleration and doing 3d things in software?
[19:54] <amigamagic> maybe in this way I could notice the difference with and without
[20:01] <junka> ubuntu does not get an ipv6 ip why
[20:03] <amigamagic> are you in a country when your internet company gives you ipv6 addresses?
[20:03] <amigamagic> *where
[20:04] <junka> yeah i get with fedora
[20:05] <junka> but not with ubuntu
[20:05] <amigamagic> what ubuntu version?
[20:05] <junka> 13.10
[20:05] <junka> every ubuntu version actually
[20:06] <amigamagic> it's strange... I don't know, my internet company gives to me only ipv4 addresses
[20:06] <amigamagic> maybe it's a setting somewhere to enable them
[21:18] <sesqyu> hello. I am using xubuntu 13.10. when i connect a usb drive or insert a dvd it does not automount in /media/*. it only mounts when I open the file manager and click on the device name. is there a way to have it automatically mount in /media? thanks!
[21:46] <holstein> sesqyu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-volman/+bug/1210898 might be relevant
[22:12] <sesqyu> holstein: yep, that's it! the workaround(s) worked, thanks!
[22:48] <amigamagic> hi, how I can activate hibernate in xubuntu?
[22:54] <amigamagic> noone knows how to hibernate in xubuntu?
[22:56] <knome> nobody who looked at the channel in the 6 minutes before your questions..
[22:56] <amigamagic> I can add a button in the panel so that I could exit or suspend from it, but the hibernate option is grayed out...
[22:56] <amigamagic> hi knome :)
[22:56] <amigamagic> you are always there :)
[22:57] <knome> did you read the documentation?
[22:57] <amigamagic> there is a documentation for the hibernation?
[22:57] <amigamagic> where is it?
[22:58] <knome> amigamagic, try looking in the official documentation, under "help" in the menu
[22:58] <amigamagic> ah ok, I checked... Indeed there is something in the docs
[22:58] <amigamagic> " 	
[22:58] <amigamagic> Note that hibernate is disabled by default in Xubuntu and does not appear as an option in any menus. For a command line workaround, see the section called “Enabling hibernation”."
[22:59] <amigamagic> but I already know that I could hibernate from command-line
[22:59] <amigamagic> I wanted to know how I can have a button to hibernate when I click on the logout menu
[23:00] <holstein> amigamagic: you can always take that command and add it to a button of your choice
[23:00] <amigamagic> yes it's true... But I wonder why there is not an hibernate option in the logout menu
[23:00] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140494 seems a relevant read
[23:00] <holstein> amigamagic: ?
[23:00] <holstein> amigamagic: its disabled by default in xubuntu
[23:01] <holstein> amigamagic: thats why there is no button in the menu.. its disabled
[23:01] <amigamagic> and in the plugin logout panel there is indeed an 'hibernate' but it is grayed out... Why?
[23:01] <holstein> amigamagic: its greyed out becuase its disabled
[23:01] <amigamagic> holstein, I want to enable it
[23:01] <amigamagic> how I can do?
[23:02] <holstein> amigamagic: i would just add a button using the command you said worked, or read what knome suggested, or the forum post i found and linked
[23:02] <amigamagic> if no one can enable it, so, why do you place that option there? To make me nervous? :D
[23:02] <holstein> amigamagic: anyone can enable it
[23:02] <amigamagic> holstein, I've already done all that it's written in that post
[23:03] <amigamagic> and it doesn't work
[23:03] <holstein> amigamagic: ok.. well, let us know if you have a question about a step
[23:03] <amigamagic> what step?
[23:03] <holstein> amigamagic: the steps you just stated were not working for you
[23:03] <holstein> amigamagic: i would just either double check the steps, or just make a button with the command i know works in the terminal
[23:04] <holstein> amigamagic: i find hibernation has not positives, personally, so i dont personally use it, but i have made it work in the past for others
[23:04] <amigamagic> ok, but I would contrib to the community and make it work the function in the menu
[23:04] <holstein> amigamagic: its disabled
[23:05] <holstein> amigamagic: its needs no contribution to make it work, though, you are welcome and encouraged to add to whatever wiki pages you find, or make suggestions where ever you like
[23:05] <amigamagic> holstein, I tried the pm-hibernate command and it works in my pc
[23:05] <holstein> amigamagic: cool. enjoy!
[23:05] <holstein> amigamagic: use that command to hibernate
[23:05] <amigamagic> but I wanted the interface would display a button to hibernate when I logout
[23:06] <holstein> amigamagic: add a button containing that command
[23:06] <amigamagic> I know I can do that but it's not this the point...
[23:06] <amigamagic> I think I should do that in the specific window when you logout and you can suspend, power off, etc.
[23:07] <holstein> amigamagic: the guide i linked, and the documentation knome referenced specifically addresses that method
[23:07] <holstein> amigamagic: if you cant make it work, you can add a button the other way, if the goal is to have a hibernate button
[23:08] <amigamagic> holstein, my goal now is to have a good looking system, when each button is when it should be... :D
[23:09] <holstein> amigamagic: its not enabled, so, if its not working, thats as its intended
[23:09] <holstein> amigamagic: good luck!.. i need to run
[23:09] <amigamagic> I created this file: gksudo mousepad /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla
[23:09] <amigamagic> and I placed inside it:
[23:09] <amigamagic> [Enable Hibernate]
[23:10] <amigamagic> Identity=unix-user:*
[23:10] <amigamagic> Action=org.freedesktop.upower.hibernate
[23:10] <amigamagic> ResultActive=yes
[23:10] <amigamagic> ... I saved the file, logout, login
[23:10] <amigamagic> but the hibernate option is still grayed  out
[23:11] <amigamagic> so I wonder what I've done wrong... I did this on Ubuntu 12.04 and it worked flawless
[23:12] <amigamagic> I would like to know if it's a problem of my configuration, or it's an actual bug of the 14.04 release
[23:12] <amigamagic> bye holstein :)
[23:15] <amigamagic> I think xubuntu is a very beautiful distro, so I wish it was perfect in those small details too, don't you agree?
[23:17] <amigamagic> and as a user who pays a lot of attention to these details, I would be glad to help you
[23:20] <amigamagic> ...Ok... I just read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate and it says that in xubuntu 13.10 (and I suppose next versions too) you can hibernate only from terminal with sudo pm-hibernate
[23:20] <amigamagic> I would like to talk to the developers on this matter...
[23:21] <amigamagic> why xubuntu cannot have that option in the gui, if ubuntu can have it?
[23:21] <amigamagic> I don't understand...
[23:28] <amigamagic> ok, then let's start another topic to which probably no one is interested, as the latter... I'm trying the new xubuntu 14.04. I like it very much. The default graphic theme is very nice, but don't you think that the border of the windows is so thin that it's very difficult to enlarge/reduce them when you place the mouse on the very thin (1 pixel?) border on the left or on the right of a window?
[23:35] <knome> amigamagic, http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[23:36] <amigamagic> knome I'm reading that doc now.... Thanks!
[23:37] <amigamagic> (so maybe someone was interested in that matter... :p)
[23:38] <knome> amigamagic, before asking the next question (what ever it might be) what about if you *gasp* put the question through an internet search engine?
[23:40] <amigamagic> You are right knome. Sorry. :)
[23:42] <amigamagic> indeed I have many other questions... :D
[23:44] <amigamagic> I will try to resist the urge to post in here...
[23:44] <knome> nothing wrong with that, but you might get answers quicker (and possibly learn more) if you dug up the stuff yourself
[23:58] <amigamagic> knome, I found on the web a method to unlock the frame cap limit for glxgears. In this way you can check if your 3d hardware acceleration works well.
[23:59] <holstein> id say, if you are checking, then its not working well..
[23:59] <amigamagic> It's very simple... You have to "export vblank_mode=0" before doing "glxgears"
[23:59] <amigamagic> now it shows to me 7-8000 fps!
[23:59] <amigamagic> (before it was locked to 60fps)