[00:04] <MaxSan> so i got a new yoga 2 pro
[00:04] <penguin42> oh I hear those are nice
[00:04] <MaxSan> 14.04 was only version which would install without many issues
[00:04] <MaxSan> yeh they are but dam its not configured for linux
[00:04] <penguin42> MaxSan: Is that the one with the really nice display?
[00:04] <MaxSan> yeh
[00:04] <MaxSan> 1800 x 3200
[00:05] <penguin42> MaxSan: I think someone said that they take a bit of tweaking for the touchpad
[00:05] <MaxSan> most distros wont even boot the screen up without a hack
[00:05] <MaxSan> yeh that too
[00:05] <MaxSan> can i safely remove unity in 14.04
[00:05] <penguin42> MaxSan: I'm running with KDE on 14.04, no unity
[00:06] <MaxSan> i havent tried KDE yet
[00:06] <MaxSan> everything else broke it tho lol
[00:06] <penguin42> MaxSan: Just install whichever -desktop package you want, you may need to change lightdm greeter for some desktops
[00:06] <penguin42> or even just change to kdm or whatever
[00:07] <penguin42> MaxSan: That yoga has a touchscreen and can work as a tablet?
[00:07] <MaxSan> yes
[00:07] <penguin42> how does Unity work on that in tablet mode?
[00:09] <MaxSan> i havent relay used it in tablet mode yet
[00:09] <MaxSan> but linux mint worked
[00:09] <MaxSan> and so does this
[00:09] <MaxSan> accurately
[00:09] <penguin42> cool
[00:10] <penguin42> MaxSan: Which desktop are you intending to use/most used to?
[00:10] <MaxSan> cinnamon
[00:10] <MaxSan> would much prefer this, linux mint just goes nuts tryying to get it working. rather have ubuntu + cinnamon
[00:11] <penguin42> nod, it'll be interesting to see how those cope with the ludicrous res - I noticed that the ubuntu screen config has some settings for scaling of widgets and wonder what pays attention to that
[00:13] <MaxSan> pidgin doesnt :P
[00:13] <MaxSan> im about 6 inches from the screen haha
[00:13] <penguin42> haha
[00:14] <MaxSan> i cant change resolution either
[00:14] <MaxSan> or reset unity as the ui has gone to windows 95 style
[00:14] <johnjohn101> you can reset the font in pidgin
[00:14] <MaxSan> i ment overall UI
[00:14] <MaxSan> not just pidgin
[00:15] <johnjohn101> pidgin uses a system font, but i forget which
[00:17] <MaxSan> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable
[00:17] <MaxSan> can you access cinnamon 2 from that ppa
[00:18] <MaxSan> or you get a 404?
[00:18] <penguin42> MaxSan: I haven't tried this on Trusty, but what I've done in the past is use Mate packages for things like that - your mileage might vary etc etc
[00:18] <trism> MaxSan: the -stable one doesn't have trusty builds yet
[00:19] <trism> MaxSan: this does though, not that it is necessarily a good idea: https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-nightly
[00:19] <trism> MaxSan: probably should wait until the -stable is updated after release
[00:21] <MaxSan> crashed
[00:21] <MaxSan> i miss anything?
[00:21] <penguin42> what was the last thing you saw?
[00:22] <MaxSan> i asked if it 404'd
[00:22] <penguin42> (01:18:52) trism: MaxSan: the -stable one doesn't have trusty builds yet
[00:22] <penguin42> (01:19:16) trism: MaxSan: this does though, not that it is necessarily a good idea: https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-nightly
[00:22] <penguin42> (01:19:31) trism: MaxSan: probably should wait until the -stable is updated after release
[00:23]  * penguin42 is getting some odd rendering artifacts in a kvm guest - missing individual letters - e.g. 'Un nown isplay'
[00:26] <MaxSan> i wonder if arch + cinnamon is a more stable mix
[00:26]  * penguin42 has never seen arch as 'stable'
[00:26] <penguin42> MaxSan: One of the things I've done on previous ubuntu's is use Mint packages; this is of course unsupported by either of them
[00:27] <MaxSan> yeh I can imagine lol
[00:27] <MaxSan> I may give it a try yeh
[00:42] <penguin42> something on unity has got a lot faster running under vms - a vm configured with vmvga display is quite usable
[01:23] <Fudge> is this just me or do other people logging into a vconsole see /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade: 4: [: =: unexpected operator
[01:24] <penguin42> Fudge: Fine here
[01:24] <Fudge> thanks
[01:31] <trism> Fudge: bug 1306673 seems fixed now
[01:31] <trism> might just need an update
[01:31] <Fudge> thanks trism , I was resynching to check that :D
[02:38] <iFire> does anyone have problems with 14.04 and samba?
[02:38] <iFire> It doesn't seem to startup.
[05:17] <ontly> netsplit i like this
[05:18] <Stanley00> ChanServ: what? why not nickserv ? :))
[06:27] <dw1> can i use hal-disable-polling on 14.04?  seems to be part of the hal package thats no longer available
[06:28] <dw1> want to disable cdrom polling to save a few mW :P
[06:31] <dw1> also strangely i ran sudo eject -i on /dev/cdrom to disable eject button and got a success message, but now when i run -i on or off it says unable to find device, also the button still opens the drive :/
[06:33] <dorian_> what's wrong with my ubuntu,there is a triangle with a ! on the statue bar
[06:33] <dw1> click it - whats the message?
[06:33] <dorian_> can anybody help me to resolve this problem
[06:34] <dorian_> it shows that the update information is outdated
[06:36] <dw1> probably a failing repository http://google.com/search?q=ubuntu+update+information+outdated
[06:36] <bekks> dorian_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:37] <dorian_> oh, i've already done this,it 's not working
[06:37] <rww> marienz: ta
[06:37] <marienz> np
[06:38] <bekks> dorian_: define "not working" please
[06:38] <dorian_> there are some massage like this Err http://linux.dropbox.com raring/main amd64 Packages                         Connection failed
[06:39] <dorian_> and this E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:39] <rww> dorian_: don't use raring repositories on Ubuntu versions that are not raring
[06:39] <rww> and the second one is because you have another package manager open somewhere
[06:41] <dorian_> my ubuntu is a raring version
[06:41] <bekks> !raring
[06:41] <rww> dorian_: okay. then it's not supported, either here or in #ubuntu.
[06:42] <rww> upgrade to something that is.
[06:43] <dorian_> i got this now
[06:43] <dorian_> W: Failed to fetch http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/i18n/Translation-en  Connection failed
[06:43] <bekks> dorian_: your ubuntu release is not supported anymore
[06:43] <rww> dorian_: If you're using raring, your Ubuntu version is end of life and has not been supported since January. We are not going to help you with it.
[06:44] <dorian_> cool,i'm going to upgrade it,thanks anyway
[07:26] <macscam1> how much memory should i allocate to swap? im worried my 14.04 new install is running slow
[07:28] <k1l> you mean how big you need to make /swap partition?
[07:29] <macscam1> yeah
[07:29] <k1l> swap = ram
[07:30] <macscam1> oo so i might have messed that up
[07:30] <macscam1> is there any way to change it from within ubuntu
[07:30] <ikonia> macscam1: what don't you tell us the problem
[07:30] <ikonia> (just seen you where asking in a few channels about this)
[07:30] <k1l> you need that for hibernation. while using ubuntu you will hardly need swap
[07:30] <macscam1> ikonia yeah i didnt know anyone was gonna respond here my bad
[07:30] <ikonia> macscam1: not a problem
[07:30] <k1l> macscam1: that is no reason to crosspost everywhere :/
[07:30] <ikonia> macscam1: but why don't you tell us the real problem,
[07:31] <macscam1> ikonia i just installed 14.04 and it gets a bit slow sometimes. i just want to make sure i did everything right .... i dont remember how much i allocated for swap but i think it was only like 300 mb
[07:32] <ikonia> macscam1: ok, so more swap may make it slower in some cases
[07:32] <ikonia> macscam1: so first question how much ram do you have ?
[07:32] <macscam1> ikonia, umm 3 gigs
[07:33] <ikonia> 3 gigs, that's unusual, are you sure ?
[07:33] <macscam1> well it says 3.3
[07:33] <ikonia> macscam1: can you post the output of this command for me "uname -a" please
[07:34] <macscam1> Linux max-Computer 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:34] <macscam1> Linux max-Computer 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:34] <macscam1> Linux max-Computer 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:34] <macscam1> Linux max-Computer 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:34] <macscam1> whoops
[07:34] <ikonia> no problem
[07:34] <ikonia> could you also post the output of the command "free -m" please
[07:35] <macscam1> one problem is the audio loops for a few seconds any time i change the volume
[07:35] <ikonia> one thing at a time
[07:35] <macscam1> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[07:35] <macscam1> Mem:          3341       1913       1427         14        175        649
[07:35] <macscam1> -/+ buffers/cache:       1088       2252
[07:35] <macscam1> Swap:          349          0        349
[07:35] <ikonia> final command "swapon -s"
[07:36] <macscam1> Filename    Type  Size Used Priority
[07:36] <macscam1> Filename    Type  Size Used Priority
[07:37] <macscam1> i dunno why it doesnt want to paste the second line
[07:37] <ikonia> try using a pastebin
[07:37] <ikonia> pastebin.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <ikonia> you'll find it easier to share multi line information that way
[07:38] <macscam1> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7243353/
[08:28] <euryale> when will canonical consider putting categories in unity dash rather than filter, it's easier and faster that way.
[08:30] <ikonia> euryale: you don't need to ask in everychannel
[08:30] <ikonia> I've already answered and told you to log a bug if you want a feature that doesn't exist
[08:30] <ikonia> asking in another channel doesn't change that
[08:31] <euryale> its not a bug
[08:31] <rww> it's a wishlist bug.
[08:31] <euryale> its a feature that they didn't put.
[08:31] <rww> feature requests = wishlist bugs
[08:31] <ikonia> right, so it needs a bug logging or it won't get any traction
[08:33] <euryale> man. why they havent done a thing about it since 11.04?
[08:34] <ikonia> log a bug
[08:34] <rww> because not everyone agrees with your design opinion, probably
[08:34] <ikonia> we cannot answer that question as I've told you - log the bug to get it on the table
[08:34] <brainwash> where have YOU been all the time?
[08:34] <euryale> but its a feature that most people want back.
[08:34] <ikonia> then log the bug
[08:34] <euryale> where and how?
[08:34] <ikonia> and people will +1 it if it's wanted
[08:34] <ikonia> !bug
[08:35] <Blue1> ahh thanks I have a candidate
[08:35] <euryale> ok
[08:36] <Blue1> i will do that in the morning -- it involves system settings not keeping the screen size setting through a logout/login
[08:38] <euryale> what about the google+?
[08:38] <ikonia> what about google+ ?
[08:39] <euryale> well never mind..
[08:39] <ikonia> ?
[08:39] <euryale> this is a wishlist?
[08:39] <ikonia> the bug ?
[08:39] <ikonia> or google+
[08:39] <euryale> i mean the feature i want, belongs to wishlist?
[08:39] <ikonia> yes
[08:39] <ikonia> it's a wishlist bug on launchpad
[08:39] <euryale> ok
[08:39] <ikonia> so log a bug on launchpad and mark it as wishlist
[08:40] <euryale> ok. oh i have to register?
[08:40] <ikonia> yes, you need an account to log a bug
[08:44] <euryale> aww i'll 4get about it. i'll just wait, and hope this feature will be added or a unity tweak will fix this.
[08:45] <ikonia> ok
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:05] <euryale> Cool indicators :)
[09:05] <euryale> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available/46811#46811
[09:05] <Carbon14> whats the difference beetwen ubuntu-touch and ubuntu-touch-preview
[09:05] <Carbon14> can someone help me please
[09:17] <euryale> how do i run a .py file?
[09:18] <lordievader> euryale: python(3) <file>.py
[09:18] <euryale> ok i'll try.
[09:20] <euryale> cant make it to run
[09:20] <lordievader> euryale: python if it is a python 2 file, python3 if it is a python 3 file.
[09:20] <euryale> i dont know if its a 2 or 3 python.
[09:20] <lordievader> euryale: Can you be more specific than, 'cant make it to run'?
[09:21] <euryale> it says in the read me file: extract the files and run indicator-places.py
[09:21] <euryale> this is the link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available/46811#46811
[09:22] <lordievader> euryale: If the .py file starts with #!/usr/bin/python (or similair) you can just run it by ./<file>.py
[09:23] <euryale> im lost :)
[09:26] <lordievader> euryale: Can you pastebin the script?
[09:26] <euryale> ok
[09:26] <euryale> i forgot how to pastebin in terminal lol
[09:27] <lordievader> !pastebinit
[09:28] <euryale> http://pastebin.com/LLhNxASk will this do?
[09:29] <lordievader> euryale: Ah its a python2 script, either make it executable and run ./<file>.py, or "python <file>.py"
[09:30] <euryale> i did in terminal: type run and location and filename of py and hit enter.
[09:31] <lordievader> euryale: What is the exact command?
[09:32] <euryale> i did this : run '/home/euryale/Downloads/indicator-places-master/indicator-places.py'
[09:32] <euryale> and came with an error
[09:33] <euryale> and also this : python '/home/euryale/Downloads/indicator-places-master/indicator-places.py'
[09:33] <euryale> ImportError: No module named appindicator
[09:34] <lordievader> euryale: Then the script is faulty.
[09:34] <euryale> oh.
[09:34] <euryale> the last date of update is january2011 lol, my bad.
[09:35] <euryale> oh its 2013jnuary.
[09:35] <euryale> really wanted that indicator though.
[10:07] <zetheroo> Just upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10 and gthumb works terribly now ... incredibly slow and unresponsive
[10:53] <carbon14__> shats the diferance btween ubuntu touch and ubuntu touch preview?
[10:58] <k1l> carbon14__: best ask in #ubuntu-touch since there are the touch specialists
[11:05] <christian> Hi all, my usb ports don't work anymore, while usb 3.0 works well. Any idea? Xubuntu 14.04 x64 daily build here, but same problem is on Ubuntu 14.04 x64
[11:15] <utack> how long does the first boot of the emulator take?
[11:15] <utack> approx endless?
[11:16] <utack> hey it worked...
[11:44] <Guest69180> Hi, usb2 ports don't work, while usb3 does. What can I do?
[11:45] <dw1> is there any way to stop the popup after doing a screenshot with printscreen like in 13.10?  i liked being able to take a bunch of full screen shots quickly before
[11:47] <dw1> ok i think i got it :)
[11:47] <dw1> dconf org.gnome.gnome-screenshot auto-save-directory
[11:58] <dw1> actually the dconf settings dont seem to apply.. last-save-directory for example never updates, and the default directory is always Pictures even if I set auto-save-directory  to something else. hmm
[12:17] <euryale> since upgrading the kernel to 3.14, whenever i login, i would wait about 20sec before i have access to the desktop, it's like when u hit enter when logging in, it pauses for 20sec.
[12:18] <ikonia> euryale: where did the 3.14 kernel come from ?
[12:18] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[12:18] <ikonia> !info linux-kernel
[12:19] <ikonia> I thought trusty was still on 3.13
[12:19] <euryale> i 4got where i got it :)
[12:19] <penguin42> it is here
[12:19] <k1l> trusty will stay on 3.13
[12:19] <ikonia> yeah
[12:19] <penguin42> euryale: So lets see, you got a random kernel from somewhere and it's broken?
[12:19] <ikonia> euryale: so you've got a kenrel from somewhere else - thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[12:19] <euryale> wait i will check
[12:19] <ikonia> penguin42: what's the kernel package name now in 14.04 ?
[12:19] <ikonia> is it no longer linux-image ?
[12:20] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[12:20] <ikonia> ah generic now on the end
[12:20] <IdleOne> 3.13.0-24-generic
[12:20] <euryale> its a deb file from launchpad if im not mistaken.
[12:20] <IdleOne> yup
[12:20] <ikonia> euryale: ok, so nothing to do with 14.04 then
[12:21] <penguin42> euryale: If it's the one from the kernel-ppa/daily stuff then it might still be useful to figure out what's going on, but yeh not 14.04
[12:21] <ikonia> if there is -generic, is there now other non-generic extensions ?
[12:21] <euryale> how can i tell if this is not from ubuntu?
[12:21] <penguin42> lowlatency, server, virtual, generic-pae
[12:21] <penguin42> oh yeh, and goldfish :-)
[12:21] <ikonia> euryale: there isn't a 3.14 kernel so it's not from ubuntu
[12:22] <euryale> oh
[12:22] <ikonia> I thought all 32bit kernels now included pae ?
[12:22] <euryale> this is the filename: linux-image-3.14.0-031400-generic_3.14.0-031400.201403310035_amd64
[12:22] <ikonia> that decision was taken ages ago 12.04 ?
[12:22] <penguin42> ikonia: Well, not strictly true - there is an ubuntu kernel ppa that cooks nightlies
[12:22] <ikonia> euryale: it's not from ubuntu
[12:22] <euryale> ok.
[12:22] <ikonia> penguin42: yeah, it's not part of this distro,
[12:22] <penguin42> ikonia: The -pae's are transitionals
[12:23] <ikonia> penguin42: transitional from what to what ?
[12:23] <penguin42> ikonia: I think from systems that used to have -pae installed to the default
[12:23] <euryale> what will be the kernel version of 14.04 if the stable comes out?
[12:23] <ikonia> euryale: 3.13
[12:23] <zetheroo> just upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10 and gthumb is unusable
[12:23] <ikonia> penguin42: but I thought that had been removed at 12.04
[12:23] <euryale> oh.
[12:23] <IdleOne> !info linux-generic-pae
[12:23] <ikonia> penguin42: all 32bit kernels where pae by default
[12:24] <penguin42> ikonia: Was it as long ago as 12.04?
[12:24] <ikonia> I thought so, but I could be wrong
[12:26] <zetheroo> this is what happens when I start gthumb from terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7244317/
[12:27] <zetheroo> Also the "auto enhance" feature seems to be gone!! :P
[12:28] <zetheroo> gthumb 3.2.7, Copyright © 2001-2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[12:29] <brainwash> zetheroo: please run "ubuntu-bug gthumb" and file a bug report
[12:29] <zetheroo> brainwash: ok
[12:49] <zetheroo> is digicam gone from 14.04 ?
[12:50] <zetheroo> I cannot find it in synaptic package manager or in ubuntu software centre
[12:50] <penguin42> zetheroo: digi*k*am
[12:50] <zetheroo> ah thanks :P
[13:29] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[13:41] <vbox90> Hi, my usb ports don't work anymore, while usb3 works perfectly. The same thing happens via live cd. Any help?
[13:46] <penguin42> vbox90: 1) Report the bug  2) What hardware?  It sounds like a kernel bug?
[13:48] <vbox90> penguin42: 1) I don't know if it is a ubuntu 14.04 specific related bug, I tried with a live cd (manjaro) and usb2 still don't work
[13:48] <vbox90> penguin42: 2) asus u36sd
[13:50] <penguin42> vbox90: Have you tried a much older livecd - say 12.04 ?
[13:50] <eurythmia> I'm running Trusty on an ultrabook with optimus. I was wondering which method was preferred for optimus support: bumblebee, or nvidia-prime
[13:51] <penguin42> vbox90: I'd just try and figure out whether it's all Linuxes have the problem or only recent ones
[13:53] <vbox90> penguin42: Consider that until yesterday every usb port worked on 14.04 and on manjaro too.
[13:54] <penguin42> vbox90: Oh I see, that sounds more like a fault with your system
[13:56] <vbox90> I have also tried installing windows, just to check, but installation don't start from USB 3.0
[13:57] <BluesKaj> eurythmia, nvidia-prime is the supposed to work well from what i've heard
[14:03] <vbox90> Tried dmesg | grep error. Here is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/7244741/
[14:07] <penguin42> vbox90: I'd use lsusb to see if it sees anything on the usb2 interfaces; but this isn't sounding like ubuntu 14.04's probalem any more
[14:11] <vbox90> penguin42: lsusb output here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7244780/
[14:13] <vbox90> penguin42: Can you see something? if this is not the correct place, in which room I have to ask?
[14:16] <penguin42> vbox90: Well it's not seeing any external USB devices there for some reason
[14:16] <penguin42> vbox90: are your USB-2 devices plugged directly in or via a powered hub?
[14:17] <eurythmia> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll give that a shot according to the WebUpd8 instructions then.
[14:18] <eurythmia> ... or, just install it from the default repos. That'll work too ;-)
[14:18] <vbox90> penguin42: Directly. So it is an hardware problem?
[14:18] <penguin42> vbox90: That's my gut feel
[14:19] <penguin42> vbox90: If it used to work and doesn't now, it seems most likely
[14:22] <vbox90> penguin42: My notebook has 3 usb ports (2 usb2, 1 usb3). When I write "lspci | grep -i usb" it shows 2 identical usb ports: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7244813/
[14:23] <vbox90> penguin42: Is it normal that lspci sees it, and not lsusb ?
[14:29] <penguin42> vbox90: lspci sees the usb controllers not the ports directly
[14:30] <penguin42> vbox90: I've never seen a usb3 controller like that one before
[14:30] <penguin42> hmm, seems farily common googling for it
[14:40] <vbox90> penguin42: I'm looking for similar problems on the net, but nothing serious found yet. Some people simply shutdown their pc for an hour, or reinstall windows, and then usb ports restart working. Hmm :-/
[14:41] <penguin42> vbox90: It's a bit weird
[15:37] <bigred15> Hi all, has anyone managed to successfully install IBM Notes 8.5.3 on Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:39] <bekks> That wasnt possible without headaches on 10.04 even ;)
[15:39] <bekks> I strongly doubt you will get it to run on 14.04
[15:42] <bigred15> bekks: Yeah, I fear that may be the case. :-( Blame has to fall on IBM for this. I have had some success in getting IBM TSM Client working so it's not all bad news!
[15:47] <eurythmia> BluesKaj: I installed nvidia-prime, and now gdm won't start up.
[15:47] <eurythmia> I also tried uninstalling nvidia-prime, nvidia-319, and nvidia-settings-319; still no joy.
[15:58] <eurythmia> ... just in case anyone is interested, when I uninstalled nvidia-331 and nvidia-settings-331 I was able to boot up again.
[16:15] <Patrickdk> eurythmia, same here
[16:15] <Patrickdk> been having issues with 331 on some systems
[16:37] <eurythmia> Patrickdk: bit of a bummer. I can't even install bumblebee without the 331 stuff.
[16:48] <waterpie> hi all
[16:48] <waterpie> is the fstrim cron job working on 14.4 xubuntu, or should I add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="allow-discards root_trim=yes" on /etc/default/grub ? ..also, lvm and encrypted disk. which is the actual fs used???
[16:52] <lordievader> waterpie: The filesystem that is used is the filesystem you specify.
[16:53] <waterpie> lordievader:  I took the auto option while installing. I asked for lvm and encryption. df now doesn't say if it is eg ext4, btrfs, ...?
[16:55] <lordievader> waterpie: Try "df -hT".
[16:59] <waterpie> lordievader:  ok, that helps. thanks. it says ext4 for /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root mouted on / and encryptfs for /home/<username> I suppose it's ext4 inside the encryption? Also both have same size 113G. I suppose it's the same thing but shown seperately cause of lvm?
[17:02] <lordievader> waterpie: The way I understand luks is that it creates a block device when a vault is opened. When writing to this block device it will be encrypted and written to disk.
[17:03] <waterpie> lordievader:  ok, thanks
[17:03] <lordievader> How you use the created block device is entirely up to you, you can put lvm on it or file system right away.
[17:03] <waterpie> is the fstrim cron job working on 14.4 xubuntu, or should I add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="allow-discards root_trim=yes" on /etc/default/grub ?  lvm and encrypted disk.
[17:03] <lordievader> waterpie: Mind you my view upon it might not be entirely accurate.
[17:04] <waterpie> lordievader:  :-) ok. i suppose it's encrypted, and when that gets unlocked, it's actually ext4
[17:06] <lordievader> waterpie: As I said, depends on how it set up.
[17:07] <lordievader> waterpie: For example here unlocking my vault just exposes a lvm physical volume.
[17:07] <waterpie> lordievader:  how do you see that?
[17:09] <lordievader> waterpie: If you've let the ubuntu installer set it up for you it is probably: disk -> luks -> lvm -> filesystem.
[17:10] <waterpie> lordievader:  yes, that's what I'm thinking.
[17:20] <waterpie> is fstrim enabled in xubuntu 14.4, and how could I test if it's actually working ok?
[17:25] <penguin42> does fstrim work through encryption?
[17:25]  * penguin42 isn't sure how it would
[17:27] <Crashbit> my /etc/cryptab file have discard option
[17:28] <Crashbit> but my fstab file doesn't have this option
[17:31] <c_smith> probably not the best choice to run a testing version of Ubuntu as a daily driver while doing classwork, but what the hey, I like testing the releases and doing what I can to make sure they're as rock-solid for others as possible.
[17:33] <penguin42> Crashbit: Oh interesting, hadn't seen that
[17:34] <Crashbit> penguin42: sudo dmsetup table /dev/mapper/sda1_crypt --showkeys
[17:35] <Crashbit> and shows allow_discards
[17:35] <penguin42> Crashbit: The other one that's needed is issue_discards in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf by the looks of it
[17:36] <Crashbit> penguin42: I don't have this file in Ubuntu, but in Archlinux yes
[17:36] <penguin42> Crashbit: I'd assume it's needed in ubuntu as well, they use the same underlying lvm
[17:43] <Crashbit> penguin42: Yes, it's my fault sorry, I don't use lvm in this pc
[17:49] <penguin42> Crashbit: Yeh, I've not got encryption on this one; but I guess you've got to persuade the fs to issue a trim, get it past the top level lvm, then through luks
[17:49] <penguin42> and then if all your alignment is right, and you're lucky it might percolate through to the actual disk
[18:04] <waterpie> is fstrim enabled in xubuntu 14.4, and how could I test if it's actually working ok?
[18:10] <c_smith> waterpie, dunno, but it might not hurt to ask the people behind Xubuntu
[18:11] <waterpie> c_smith:  where?
[18:13] <c_smith> waterpie, ask #xubuntu where their equivalent of #ubuntu+1 is, they can usually point you in that direction.
[18:13] <c_smith> being as I don't have that info.
[18:14] <waterpie> c_smith:  ok, thanks
[18:14] <c_smith> waterpie, no prob
[18:37] <lordievader> c_smith: Support for all flavours of Trusty is here.
[18:37] <c_smith> lordievader, alright, didn't know that.
[18:38] <c_smith> only reason I didn't say so is Ubuntu Gnome (my preferred flavor) prefers talk to be be on #ubuntu-gnome
[18:38] <c_smith> even if it's 14.04
[18:39] <lordievader> c_smith: I see.
[19:28] <roasted> hello friends
[19:30] <lordievader> roasted: o/
[19:44] <c_smith> roasted, 'ello
[19:52] <roasted> pips so small. makes me so sad.
[19:53] <c_smith> lol
[20:50] <Slart> Hello, are there no torrents available for the beta2 ?
[20:50] <Slart> !torrent
[20:50] <Slart> meh
[20:50] <rww> Slart: Ubuntu (rather than Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc.)?
[20:51] <Slart> rww: yes
[20:51] <rww> Slart: they're on http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[20:51] <Slart> rww: ahh.. I ended up on the daily isos at first.. thanks
[21:56] <dw1> how can I make screenshot save automatically like in 13.10 instead of popping up the dialog?
[21:59] <dw1> changing things in org.gnome.gnome-screenshot with dconf didnt seem to do anything
[22:00] <dw1> am running gnome fallback
[22:01] <john_rambo> While updating I saw kenel 3.13.0.24 getting downloaded but after reboot I find 3.13.0-23-generic in use
[22:03] <k1l_> !info linux-image-generic
[22:04] <k1l_> john_rambo: run update-grub
[22:06] <chowder> I know this has probably been asked already but where is 14.04?
[22:06] <chowder> have they delayed the release because of heartbleed?
[22:06] <rww> no, it's due 17th
[22:06] <k1l_> chowder: see release schedule.
[22:07] <chowder> oh ok thanks
[22:08] <chowder> I'm running 13.10. I want to upgrade when trusty comes out. I've heard that the best way is to use the ISO image. My only concern is that I have full disk encryption on my machine. I'm wondering if I'm better off just wiping and reinstalling.
[22:08] <john_rambo> k1l_, Weired....cant see 3.13.0.24 http://pastie.org/9078295
[22:10] <k1l_> john_rambo: run sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[22:11] <Meerkat> how do i update to xubuntu 14.04 from 13.1o today?
[22:12] <dw1> chowder: update-manager -d upgrade worked fine for me :)
[22:12] <Meerkat> ah, missed "upgrade" then
[22:13] <dw1> chowder: "update-manager -d" that is
[22:15] <chowder> hmm...I tried apt-get dist-upgrade and it did nothing
[22:15] <chowder> either way I've learned my lesson...I've got a backup lol
[22:15] <dw1> chowder: "update-manager -d" means check for development versions
[22:16] <k1l_> chowder: you dont upgrade to a new release with apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:16] <chowder> oh then I'm quite confused lol
[22:16] <k1l_> !upgrade
[22:17] <chowder> ok, update-manager -d is working. I just hope it doesn't rape my current installation
[22:17] <chowder> do you think it will update any PPAs I've added?
[22:18] <k1l_> PPAs get disabled when upgrading
[22:19] <Meerkat> I see what I did wrong. I had set ubuntu to only notify on new LTS releases. 14.04 doesn't count as LTS until the 17th I guess.
[22:31] <k1l_> !bug | oz0ne
[22:35] <oz0ne> Found what i believe is a bug related to window decoration, what would be the appropriate package unity?
[22:50] <roasted> hi
[23:07] <john_rambo> After installing kernel 3.13.0.24 the dafault (top) entry in grub is the low latecy which gives low resolution and booting from the regular 3.13.0.24 gives an error and ultimately CLI
[23:09] <Beldar> john_rambo, Are you using proprietary graphic drivers?
[23:10] <john_rambo> Beldar, Yes installed it form the repos
[23:11] <Beldar> john_rambo, My 'guess' is try reloading them.
[23:11] <john_rambo> Beldar, Using the low latency kernel ?
[23:13] <Beldar> john_rambo, Honestly in 7 years of using linux I have not had to mess with kernel types, so can't really say.
[23:13] <john_rambo> Okay
[23:47] <roasted> herro