| Shehrazad | Selam #ubuntu-tr! | 19:14 |
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| f0und | Selam Shehrazad! | 19:14 |
| zippo^ | hi | 19:39 |
| ElixirVitae | Selam, zippo^. | 19:47 |
| zippo^ | hi ElixirVitae | 19:54 |
| zippo^ | do you know which server/channel can I learn Turkish langauge, ElixirVitae ? | 19:55 |
| ElixirVitae | I don't know any on freenode, zippo^. | 19:55 |
| zippo^ | ok | 19:55 |
| ElixirVitae | You are free to ask me anytime. | 19:55 |
| zippo^ | I want learn Turkish language, how ? | 19:56 |
| ElixirVitae | Just like any other language, be exposed to it. | 19:56 |
| ElixirVitae | It might be through just the books. | 19:56 |
| ElixirVitae | Or with simple human interaction. | 19:57 |
| ElixirVitae | You can also consume Turkish media, movies and series and such. | 19:57 |
| zippo^ | ok, where can I download the Turksih languages as lessons and grammtica, etc. | 19:57 |
| ElixirVitae | Best way would be a course though. | 19:57 |
| zippo^ | ok | 19:58 |
| zippo^ | thx for feedback | 19:58 |
| ElixirVitae | It is just a google search away, there are numerous resources out there. | 19:58 |
| ElixirVitae | What was your mother tongue again? | 19:58 |
| zippo^ | the sign language | 19:59 |
| ElixirVitae | Are you deaf and/or mute? | 19:59 |
| ElixirVitae | Afaik Turkish sign language differs from international one. | 20:00 |
| ElixirVitae | But not a big discrepancy, so I hear. | 20:00 |
| zippo^ | i don't like that someone call "mute" | 20:00 |
| * zippo^ is deaf and impaired visually | 20:00 | |
| ElixirVitae | Sorry. What would you want me to re-phrase that into? | 20:00 |
| zippo^ | you can ask: deaf | 20:01 |
| zippo^ | but mute is hard word | 20:01 |
| ElixirVitae | Any synonym that is less offending? | 20:01 |
| zippo^ | do you understand now why is mute hard word, ElixirVitae ? | 20:02 |
| ElixirVitae | I believe it is a social contract of kinds to choose some words over others. | 20:03 |
| ElixirVitae | That might be because of the fact that I don't register some words as offending, whereas general consensus is otherwise. | 20:04 |
| ElixirVitae | Then again, language is a construct that is unique to everyone, so there is that. | 20:05 |
| ElixirVitae | Sorry again, if I somehow offended you, it wasn't meant that way. | 20:06 |
| zippo^ | i don't dare or in Turkey will deafblind make a Foundation: Deafblind Power. but the problem is that then family close hen deafblind children/people in the sleep room, than may deafblind people no experiment what they want dream. because in Turkey is very taboo about deafblind. | 20:06 |
| zippo^ | Last thee years age I have token my guide dog to TUrkey, i want experience there how do people think about my guide dog. very people do difficult. some people are secular and they haven't problem with my guide dog, ElixirVitae | 20:07 |
| zippo^ | I cannot find some articles in Wikipedia for Turkish language: Deafblind, syndrome Usher, etc. )-: | 20:08 |
| ElixirVitae | Dogs are considered impure. That thought has religious roots. But one can utilize dogs and your case is one of the permitted ones. | 20:09 |
| zippo^ | Koran is wroten in 2000 years age. 2000 years age was no hosiptail, no vaccins, no meidcare, etc.. than is of course that dogs were no safe for people | 20:10 |
| ElixirVitae | Hence, most of the places wouldn't want your seeing-eye dog inside their premises. | 20:10 |
| ElixirVitae | Koran was written/revealed 1450 or so years ago. | 20:12 |
| zippo^ | indeed | 20:12 |
| zippo^ | i meaned circa years | 20:12 |
| ElixirVitae | Islamic rules, zippo^, might have some logical base, but the reason for somethings being allowed or not is dependent on that. | 20:13 |
| ElixirVitae | If there is rule, than it is the way, but it might have some benefits, or have none. | 20:13 |
| zippo^ | if success is in turkey deafblind foundation, than turkish deafblind people can longer happy life without make about difficult life | 20:13 |
| ElixirVitae | Two are different things. | 20:13 |
| ElixirVitae | About the handicapped; | 20:14 |
| ElixirVitae | The rate of which handicapped people are included in daily life is quite low in Turkey, zippo^. | 20:15 |
| zippo^ | Indeed, i have met deaf people in turkey too. then life is normal /good life. but "deafblind" are "double handicap", is extra no easy for life. i am so worried about this situation, exli | 20:16 |
| zippo^ | *elixir | 20:16 |
| ElixirVitae | I said to a friend of mine after his comments about handicapped-friendliness of US after his visit, | 20:16 |
| ElixirVitae | that even though genetic rates are similar all over the world, cultural/religious/etc understandings might prove another challenge. | 20:17 |
| ElixirVitae | And this is the reason why you saw a lot of handicapped people there, whereas you don't see here much. | 20:18 |
| ElixirVitae | But this is another issue that we, as a nation, must strive to better. | 20:18 |
| ElixirVitae | And, as you stated, you have double the difficulty. | 20:19 |
| ElixirVitae | And this makes it triple. | 20:19 |
| ElixirVitae | But people here tend to be helpful, you might have even experienced that yourself. | 20:20 |
| ElixirVitae | I think this is more of an outlook issue of the families. | 20:20 |
| zippo^ | ok, do you think that very deafblind in turkey are depression, because they have no very possible? I have visited by deaf club in Antalya. I have mete old man. Old man was working that he did clean. Later look he to me. He have told me: I have very problem, because I don't know what i must do. Age years I must often at home of my family. | 20:22 |
| zippo^ | Another day I visited by the moskee, i saw the man that he washed. The man is deaf too, He said that he cannot read and write. Because He have never learned on school. | 20:22 |
| zippo^ | Another day by sauna I have met deaf man, he works by the sauna. He said that he have never learned Turkish language. Because he never went to school. | 20:22 |
| zippo^ | I have often met Turkish deaf people. But I want meet deafblind people, because I am deafblind too, because I do use tactile sign language. Normal sign language is big problem for me. | 20:22 |
| zippo^ | I am Turkish too. I live independently. I can cook, clean, read, write, etc. Because I have learned very much how must I life indepently. I have a guide dog. My father never know that I am deafblind, because he was died since i was 11 years old. My mother lives in Turkey. ElixirVitae | 20:25 |
| ElixirVitae | I live in Ankara, zippo^. And my workplace is near a night school of kinds for deaf. I can ask them about societies here, if you want. | 20:26 |
| zippo^ | is good. can they speak english language too,l ElixirVitae ? | 20:28 |
| ElixirVitae | I wouldn't know, zippo^. | 20:28 |
| ElixirVitae | I though you were a foreigner, you wanting to learn Turkish and such. | 20:28 |
| zippo^ | haha, another turksih people thought too | 20:29 |
| zippo^ | but I am really Turksih | 20:29 |
| zippo^ | I live in the Netherlands | 20:29 |
| ElixirVitae | I learned the exact address, zippo^. They are called "ANKARA SAĞIR VE DİLSİZLER DERNEĞİ" | 20:32 |
| ElixirVitae | I will ask them about any member of their NGO that knows English. | 20:33 |
| ElixirVitae | Or Dutch. | 20:33 |
| ElixirVitae | You do know Dutch, don't you? | 20:33 |
| zippo^ | cirac 40 years age did on deaf club called too: Doofstom (= deaf dumb) | 20:33 |
| zippo^ | Yes indeed, ElixirVitae | 20:33 |
| zippo^ | I can International Sign langauge too | 20:34 |
| ElixirVitae | Netherlands does have facilities for teaching right. | 20:35 |
| ElixirVitae | I heard that teachers are well paid and well respected in Netherlands. | 20:35 |
| zippo^ | hat is right, ElixirVitae | 20:35 |
| zippo^ | hat = tat | 20:35 |
| zippo^ | *that | 20:35 |
| zippo^ | Than can Turkey follow example to the Netherlands, ElixirVitae ? | 20:36 |
| ElixirVitae | In this regard, we should. Imminently. | 20:36 |
| ElixirVitae | They installed those plastic walkways to the pavements to whole Ankara in the last 2-3 years. | 20:37 |
| ElixirVitae | And buses are being either renovated or bought with wheelchair capabilities. | 20:37 |
| ElixirVitae | Slow and steady, it seems. | 20:38 |
| ElixirVitae | I hope it becomes fast and steady. | 20:38 |
| zippo^ | that is great :) | 20:38 |
| ElixirVitae | Indeed. | 20:39 |
| ElixirVitae | I need to leave for a bit, zippo^. But I can call a friend to this channel if you want to chat. | 20:39 |
| zippo^ | taht is possible. i go sleep now, ElixirVitae | 20:41 |
| ElixirVitae | I will visit the place I mentioned, later within weekdays. | 20:41 |
| ElixirVitae | You can find me here, generally. | 20:41 |
| ElixirVitae | Bye then, good night. | 20:41 |
| zippo^ | yes :) | 20:41 |
| zippo^ | you good night too. thx for conversation | 20:41 |
| ElixirVitae | Anytime. | 20:42 |
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