[19:14] <Shehrazad> Selam #ubuntu-tr!
[19:14] <f0und> Selam Shehrazad!
[19:39] <zippo^> hi
[19:47] <ElixirVitae> Selam, zippo^.
[19:54] <zippo^> hi ElixirVitae
[19:55] <zippo^> do you know which server/channel can I learn Turkish langauge, ElixirVitae ?
[19:55] <ElixirVitae> I don't know any on freenode, zippo^.
[19:55] <zippo^> ok
[19:55] <ElixirVitae> You are free to ask me anytime.
[19:56] <zippo^> I want learn Turkish language, how ?
[19:56] <ElixirVitae> Just like any other language, be exposed to it.
[19:56] <ElixirVitae> It might be through just the books.
[19:57] <ElixirVitae> Or with simple human interaction.
[19:57] <ElixirVitae> You can also consume Turkish media, movies and series and such.
[19:57] <zippo^> ok, where can I download the Turksih languages as lessons and grammtica, etc.
[19:57] <ElixirVitae> Best way would be a course though.
[19:58] <zippo^> ok
[19:58] <zippo^> thx for feedback
[19:58] <ElixirVitae> It is just a google search away, there are numerous resources out there.
[19:58] <ElixirVitae> What was your mother tongue again?
[19:59] <zippo^> the sign language
[19:59] <ElixirVitae> Are you deaf and/or mute?
[20:00] <ElixirVitae> Afaik Turkish sign language differs from international one.
[20:00] <ElixirVitae> But not a big discrepancy, so I hear.
[20:00] <zippo^> i don't like that someone call "mute"
[20:00]  * zippo^ is deaf and impaired visually
[20:00] <ElixirVitae> Sorry. What would you want me to re-phrase that into?
[20:01] <zippo^> you can ask: deaf
[20:01] <zippo^> but mute is hard word
[20:01] <ElixirVitae> Any synonym that is less offending?
[20:02] <zippo^> do you understand now why is mute hard word, ElixirVitae ?
[20:03] <ElixirVitae> I believe it is a social contract of kinds to choose some words over others.
[20:04] <ElixirVitae> That might be because of the fact that I don't register some words as offending, whereas general consensus is otherwise.
[20:05] <ElixirVitae> Then again, language is a construct that is unique to everyone, so there is that.
[20:06] <ElixirVitae> Sorry again, if I somehow offended you, it wasn't meant that way.
[20:06] <zippo^> i don't dare or in Turkey will deafblind make a Foundation: Deafblind Power. but the problem is that then family close hen deafblind children/people in the sleep room, than may deafblind people no experiment what they want dream. because in Turkey is very taboo about deafblind.
[20:07] <zippo^> Last thee years age I have token my guide dog to TUrkey, i want experience there how do people think about my guide dog. very people do difficult. some people are secular and they haven't problem with my guide dog, ElixirVitae
[20:08] <zippo^> I cannot find some articles in Wikipedia for Turkish language: Deafblind, syndrome Usher, etc. )-:
[20:09] <ElixirVitae> Dogs are considered impure. That thought has religious roots. But one can utilize dogs and your case is one of the permitted ones.
[20:10] <zippo^> Koran is wroten in 2000 years age. 2000 years age was no hosiptail, no vaccins, no meidcare, etc.. than is of course that dogs were no safe for people
[20:10] <ElixirVitae> Hence, most of the places wouldn't want your seeing-eye dog inside their premises.
[20:12] <ElixirVitae> Koran was written/revealed 1450 or so years ago.
[20:12] <zippo^> indeed
[20:12] <zippo^> i meaned circa years
[20:13] <ElixirVitae> Islamic rules, zippo^, might have some logical base, but the reason for somethings being allowed or not is dependent on that.
[20:13] <ElixirVitae> If there is rule, than it is the way, but it might have some benefits, or have none.
[20:13] <zippo^> if success is in turkey deafblind foundation, than turkish deafblind people can longer happy life without make about difficult life
[20:13] <ElixirVitae> Two are different things.
[20:14] <ElixirVitae> About the handicapped;
[20:15] <ElixirVitae> The rate of which handicapped people are included in daily life is quite low in Turkey, zippo^.
[20:16] <zippo^> Indeed, i have met deaf people  in turkey too. then life is normal /good life. but "deafblind" are "double handicap", is extra no easy for life. i am so worried about this situation, exli
[20:16] <zippo^> *elixir
[20:16] <ElixirVitae> I said to a friend of mine after his comments about handicapped-friendliness of US after his visit,
[20:17] <ElixirVitae> that even though genetic rates are similar all over the world, cultural/religious/etc understandings might prove another challenge.
[20:18] <ElixirVitae> And this is the reason why you saw a lot of handicapped people there, whereas you don't see here much.
[20:18] <ElixirVitae> But this is another issue that we, as a nation, must strive to better.
[20:19] <ElixirVitae> And, as you stated, you have double the difficulty.
[20:19] <ElixirVitae> And this makes it triple.
[20:20] <ElixirVitae> But people here tend to be helpful, you might have even experienced that yourself.
[20:20] <ElixirVitae> I think this is more of an outlook issue of the families.
[20:22] <zippo^> ok, do you think that very deafblind in turkey are depression, because they have no very possible? I have visited by deaf club in Antalya. I have mete old man. Old man was working that he did clean. Later look he to me. He have told me: I have very problem, because I don't know what i must do. Age years I must often at home of my family.
[20:22] <zippo^> Another day I visited by the moskee, i saw the man that he washed. The man is deaf too, He said that he cannot read and write. Because He have never learned on school.
[20:22] <zippo^> Another day by sauna I have met deaf man, he works by the sauna. He said that he have never learned Turkish language. Because he never went to school.
[20:22] <zippo^> I have often met Turkish deaf people. But I want meet deafblind people, because I am deafblind too, because I do use tactile sign language. Normal sign language is big problem for me.
[20:25] <zippo^> I am Turkish too. I live independently. I can cook, clean, read, write, etc. Because I have learned very much how must I life indepently. I have a guide dog. My father never know that I am deafblind, because he was died since i was 11 years old. My mother lives in Turkey. ElixirVitae
[20:26] <ElixirVitae> I live in Ankara, zippo^. And my workplace is near a night school of kinds for deaf. I can ask them about societies here, if you want.
[20:28] <zippo^> is good. can they speak english language too,l ElixirVitae ?
[20:28] <ElixirVitae> I wouldn't know, zippo^.
[20:28] <ElixirVitae> I though you were a foreigner, you wanting to learn Turkish and such.
[20:29] <zippo^> haha, another turksih people thought too
[20:29] <zippo^> but I am really Turksih
[20:29] <zippo^> I live in the Netherlands
[20:32] <ElixirVitae> I learned the exact address, zippo^. They are called "ANKARA SAĞIR VE DİLSİZLER DERNEĞİ"
[20:33] <ElixirVitae> I will ask them about any member of their NGO that knows English.
[20:33] <ElixirVitae> Or Dutch.
[20:33] <ElixirVitae> You do know Dutch, don't you?
[20:33] <zippo^> cirac 40 years age did on deaf club called too: Doofstom (= deaf dumb)
[20:33] <zippo^> Yes indeed, ElixirVitae
[20:34] <zippo^> I can International Sign langauge too
[20:35] <ElixirVitae> Netherlands does have facilities for teaching right.
[20:35] <ElixirVitae> I heard that teachers are well paid and well respected in Netherlands.
[20:35] <zippo^> hat is right, ElixirVitae
[20:35] <zippo^> hat = tat
[20:35] <zippo^> *that
[20:36] <zippo^> Than can Turkey follow example to the Netherlands, ElixirVitae ?
[20:36] <ElixirVitae> In this regard, we should. Imminently.
[20:37] <ElixirVitae> They installed those plastic walkways to the pavements to whole Ankara in the last 2-3 years.
[20:37] <ElixirVitae> And buses are being either renovated or bought with wheelchair capabilities.
[20:38] <ElixirVitae> Slow and steady, it seems.
[20:38] <ElixirVitae> I hope it becomes fast and steady.
[20:38] <zippo^> that is great :)
[20:39] <ElixirVitae> Indeed.
[20:39] <ElixirVitae> I need to leave for a bit, zippo^. But I can call a friend to this channel if you want to chat.
[20:41] <zippo^> taht is possible. i go sleep now, ElixirVitae
[20:41] <ElixirVitae> I will visit the place I mentioned, later within weekdays.
[20:41] <ElixirVitae> You can find me here, generally.
[20:41] <ElixirVitae> Bye then, good night.
[20:41] <zippo^> yes :)
[20:41] <zippo^> you good night too. thx for conversation
[20:42] <ElixirVitae> Anytime.