[19:14] Selam #ubuntu-tr! [19:14] Selam Shehrazad! [19:39] hi [19:47] Selam, zippo^. [19:54] hi ElixirVitae [19:55] do you know which server/channel can I learn Turkish langauge, ElixirVitae ? [19:55] I don't know any on freenode, zippo^. [19:55] ok [19:55] You are free to ask me anytime. [19:56] I want learn Turkish language, how ? [19:56] Just like any other language, be exposed to it. [19:56] It might be through just the books. [19:57] Or with simple human interaction. [19:57] You can also consume Turkish media, movies and series and such. [19:57] ok, where can I download the Turksih languages as lessons and grammtica, etc. [19:57] Best way would be a course though. [19:58] ok [19:58] thx for feedback [19:58] It is just a google search away, there are numerous resources out there. [19:58] What was your mother tongue again? [19:59] the sign language [19:59] Are you deaf and/or mute? [20:00] Afaik Turkish sign language differs from international one. [20:00] But not a big discrepancy, so I hear. [20:00] i don't like that someone call "mute" [20:00] * zippo^ is deaf and impaired visually [20:00] Sorry. What would you want me to re-phrase that into? [20:01] you can ask: deaf [20:01] but mute is hard word [20:01] Any synonym that is less offending? [20:02] do you understand now why is mute hard word, ElixirVitae ? [20:03] I believe it is a social contract of kinds to choose some words over others. [20:04] That might be because of the fact that I don't register some words as offending, whereas general consensus is otherwise. [20:05] Then again, language is a construct that is unique to everyone, so there is that. [20:06] Sorry again, if I somehow offended you, it wasn't meant that way. [20:06] i don't dare or in Turkey will deafblind make a Foundation: Deafblind Power. but the problem is that then family close hen deafblind children/people in the sleep room, than may deafblind people no experiment what they want dream. because in Turkey is very taboo about deafblind. [20:07] Last thee years age I have token my guide dog to TUrkey, i want experience there how do people think about my guide dog. very people do difficult. some people are secular and they haven't problem with my guide dog, ElixirVitae [20:08] I cannot find some articles in Wikipedia for Turkish language: Deafblind, syndrome Usher, etc. )-: [20:09] Dogs are considered impure. That thought has religious roots. But one can utilize dogs and your case is one of the permitted ones. [20:10] Koran is wroten in 2000 years age. 2000 years age was no hosiptail, no vaccins, no meidcare, etc.. than is of course that dogs were no safe for people [20:10] Hence, most of the places wouldn't want your seeing-eye dog inside their premises. [20:12] Koran was written/revealed 1450 or so years ago. [20:12] indeed [20:12] i meaned circa years [20:13] Islamic rules, zippo^, might have some logical base, but the reason for somethings being allowed or not is dependent on that. [20:13] If there is rule, than it is the way, but it might have some benefits, or have none. [20:13] if success is in turkey deafblind foundation, than turkish deafblind people can longer happy life without make about difficult life [20:13] Two are different things. [20:14] About the handicapped; [20:15] The rate of which handicapped people are included in daily life is quite low in Turkey, zippo^. [20:16] Indeed, i have met deaf people in turkey too. then life is normal /good life. but "deafblind" are "double handicap", is extra no easy for life. i am so worried about this situation, exli [20:16] *elixir [20:16] I said to a friend of mine after his comments about handicapped-friendliness of US after his visit, [20:17] that even though genetic rates are similar all over the world, cultural/religious/etc understandings might prove another challenge. [20:18] And this is the reason why you saw a lot of handicapped people there, whereas you don't see here much. [20:18] But this is another issue that we, as a nation, must strive to better. [20:19] And, as you stated, you have double the difficulty. [20:19] And this makes it triple. [20:20] But people here tend to be helpful, you might have even experienced that yourself. [20:20] I think this is more of an outlook issue of the families. [20:22] ok, do you think that very deafblind in turkey are depression, because they have no very possible? I have visited by deaf club in Antalya. I have mete old man. Old man was working that he did clean. Later look he to me. He have told me: I have very problem, because I don't know what i must do. Age years I must often at home of my family. [20:22] Another day I visited by the moskee, i saw the man that he washed. The man is deaf too, He said that he cannot read and write. Because He have never learned on school. [20:22] Another day by sauna I have met deaf man, he works by the sauna. He said that he have never learned Turkish language. Because he never went to school. [20:22] I have often met Turkish deaf people. But I want meet deafblind people, because I am deafblind too, because I do use tactile sign language. Normal sign language is big problem for me. [20:25] I am Turkish too. I live independently. I can cook, clean, read, write, etc. Because I have learned very much how must I life indepently. I have a guide dog. My father never know that I am deafblind, because he was died since i was 11 years old. My mother lives in Turkey. ElixirVitae [20:26] I live in Ankara, zippo^. And my workplace is near a night school of kinds for deaf. I can ask them about societies here, if you want. [20:28] is good. can they speak english language too,l ElixirVitae ? [20:28] I wouldn't know, zippo^. [20:28] I though you were a foreigner, you wanting to learn Turkish and such. [20:29] haha, another turksih people thought too [20:29] but I am really Turksih [20:29] I live in the Netherlands [20:32] I learned the exact address, zippo^. They are called "ANKARA SAĞIR VE DİLSİZLER DERNEĞİ" [20:33] I will ask them about any member of their NGO that knows English. [20:33] Or Dutch. [20:33] You do know Dutch, don't you? [20:33] cirac 40 years age did on deaf club called too: Doofstom (= deaf dumb) [20:33] Yes indeed, ElixirVitae [20:34] I can International Sign langauge too [20:35] Netherlands does have facilities for teaching right. [20:35] I heard that teachers are well paid and well respected in Netherlands. [20:35] hat is right, ElixirVitae [20:35] hat = tat [20:35] *that [20:36] Than can Turkey follow example to the Netherlands, ElixirVitae ? [20:36] In this regard, we should. Imminently. [20:37] They installed those plastic walkways to the pavements to whole Ankara in the last 2-3 years. [20:37] And buses are being either renovated or bought with wheelchair capabilities. [20:38] Slow and steady, it seems. [20:38] I hope it becomes fast and steady. [20:38] that is great :) [20:39] Indeed. [20:39] I need to leave for a bit, zippo^. But I can call a friend to this channel if you want to chat. [20:41] taht is possible. i go sleep now, ElixirVitae [20:41] I will visit the place I mentioned, later within weekdays. [20:41] You can find me here, generally. [20:41] Bye then, good night. [20:41] yes :) [20:41] you good night too. thx for conversation [20:42] Anytime.