[02:49] hey Logan_, knome [02:49] we got the ACK to upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/1306952 [02:50] Launchpad bug 1306952 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword bug fix update for trusty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:51] ah [02:51] there has already been discussion about this :) [02:51] yay for online logs [02:54] cyphermox, any news for bluetooth? [02:59] knome: who should I coordinate with for ^ issue? [06:24] good morning, would also be curious about the state of the bluetooth issue [08:35] wb brainwash [08:35] hi elfy [08:36] volman is doing well % wise now :) [08:37] so we should definitely push it after release [08:37] looks that way to me [08:38] cyphermox: knome: Have you done any change to your bluetooth thing? [08:38] and it's a simple patch which only adds a small delay [08:38] so breakage is very unlikely [08:40] brainwash: is that all it does? [08:41] elfy: yes [08:41] no magic involved [08:41] lol - that's completely mad :) [08:43] I guess we should move the bug to .1 then [08:45] in fact are any of the bugs left on the bugfix blueprint going to see a fix released before thursday [08:46] maybe, but the problem is to get them in before final release [08:47] yea - I guess as long as ibus and the dupe indicator is in [08:48] the hotkey/window manager keybindings I can't see happening [08:48] the thunar crash problem is .1 [08:48] the sigsev one? [08:48] keybinds is low prio [08:48] yes [08:49] once apport is disabled for everyone, we won't get reports about this issue anymore [08:49] other than "thunar crashed" :) [08:49] the xfce4 power manager issue - we trying to get that in still? [08:49] * elfy has been missing a bit the last day or so [08:50] maybe [08:50] this one is high priority [08:51] I'd say so [08:52] so the power and the two abiword ones are left on the bugfix list now [08:52] despite my original misgivings that blueprint was useful :) [08:52] of course it was [08:53] t'll be longer next time ... [08:53] mmm [08:53] why is ibus bug on the .1 list? [08:53] then we should start fixing stuff earlier :P [08:53] to get it back [08:54] well, make it compatible with Xfce [08:54] we didn't start that blueprint until very late in the cycle [08:54] brainwash: ohe yea - that makes sense :) [08:55] you could request the ibus dev to add the simple "gb" layout [08:56] yea - that works for me - but what others ... [08:56] now I've found it - it'll annoy me forever and a day ;) [08:56] we need him to add some of the missing layouts or integrate ibus into xfce4-settings [08:57] so -settings will disable ibus temporary if it does not know a particular kb layout [08:58] but layout switching via keybind (super - space) will continue to work [09:00] damn shame that debian don't use it in their default [09:00] or this would be fixed ;) [09:01] bug 1307045 a dupe? [09:01] bug 1307045 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "After hibernation computer failed to unlock upon return & completing password challenge" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307045 [09:02] most likely I guess [09:02] dupe to the power bug I'd guess [09:04] he's not been about much this cycle - I doubt if he's noticed the scurrying about in here re that :) [09:05] oh, you are right [09:08] marked it [09:09] you could have asked before if it only happens on lid close P [09:10] I could - he'll say something I guess :) [09:10] and anyway if it isn't - we don't support hibernate afaik :) [09:11] :D [09:11] xubuntu devel list: [09:11] 1. make file search better [09:11] 2. compatibility with most laptops [09:11] 3. auto restore screen resolution after wine game [09:12] kajair: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ [09:12] ill make long list till that [09:13] *that meeting [09:13] 2. is a general ubuntu task [09:13] 3. wine bug [09:14] 1. did you test the new catfish (search app)? [09:15] catfish 0.8.2 i have. catfish should be embedded to files [09:15] you can open catfish via context menu from the thunar [09:15] from thunar [09:16] making it part of thunar isn't easy, catfish is a python app [09:18] so we should make it easy [09:18] an embedded app in file explorer [09:18] alike xp [09:19] but different [09:19] kajair: so are you going to work on this then? [09:19] elfy: im just giving ideas. [09:21] well - what's needed is an actual specification - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Development [09:22] ok. im starting from 0 [09:22] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2293 [09:22] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 2293 in general "Import search tool" [Enhancement,Assigned] [09:23] from 2006-09-10 [09:46] zequence, not yet [09:48] brainwash, wait, why volman bug not for the release? [09:50] knome: no sponsor? [09:50] we have Logan_ around, and we can poke other people [09:50] would be great [09:51] but it's low priority [09:52] is it? [09:52] i would argue it's at least medium, but i don't know [09:52] if it does not auto mount, the user can simply manually do it [09:52] yeah... [09:52] i guess yep [09:52] hang on [09:52] but then if it's low, it's not .1 stuff either [09:52] it annoys people [09:53] this fix doesn't deal with that issue for me - what it deals with is my clip NOT APPEARING at all [09:53] I'd not be able to manually mount it - it's not there to manually mount [09:53] in thunar's sidebar? [09:53] elfy, that's what i was thinking.. [09:53] brainwash: it doesn't appear anywhere at all [09:54] oh, well [09:54] I'd not call it low - I'd call it use another OS to work on my clip ;) [09:54] :P [09:54] but that's how I'm affected by this issue :) [09:55] which I guess is a different bug ... [09:55] as long as it fixes that.. [09:56] yea [09:56] elfy: you should add a comment to the report then [09:56] and mention that it works for you [09:57] seems a bit pointless if we're going to try and land it [09:58] but it helps if a reviewer checks the report [09:58] I did comment :) [09:59] thanks :) [10:00] in the meantime I can't make head nor tail of getting autologin to work :( [10:01] they moved the lightdm conf file [10:02] maybe that's the reason [10:02] I know that - but adding the autologin lines doesn't work - anywhere that I can see [10:03] there is bug 1250875 [10:03] bug 1250875 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm sometimes fails to auto login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250875 [10:03] 2013-11-13 [10:04] but it never works for you [10:05] I've not get it set to do so - no way to set that :) [10:05] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/1.9.4-0ubuntu1 [10:06] remove lightdm-set-defaults [10:07] and I've tried adding the line to the files I can see that it might be - but none appear to work [10:09] :/ [10:09] no clue, sorry [10:10] I've given up for the time being - I'll just report it I think [10:14] bit late in the day to report it really :( [10:15] late in the day or late in the cycle? :P [10:15] cycle :p [10:16] * elfy gets all cynical and bets it's another 'works for ubuntu' issue [10:19] heh, possible [10:19] but hey... [10:19] now that we have got the drive on [10:19] and the next release is non-LTS [10:19] yea [10:19] we can fix a load of bugs [10:19] and the wallpaper which makes me think my screen is cracked :D [10:20] * elfy thinks that the mouse icon for whiskermenu should be the angular one :) [10:20] huhu [10:21] don't you like the new wallpaper ;( [10:21] yea - was joking :) [10:21] me too [10:21] oh good [10:21] i don't mind you don't like it... [10:21] cos if you didn't like it then I'm off :p [10:21] lol [10:21] oh I know that :) [10:22] I'll move that usb bug back to the current bugfix list then [10:22] mh [10:22] just in case I get karma for it [10:23] hahah [10:23] heyy... i have a super plan [10:23] let's create two blueprints [10:23] you move bugs from A to B [10:23] and me from B to A [10:23] awesome - do we get karma for that? [10:23] loads of karma for both [10:24] rinse and repeat [10:24] woohoo :D [10:24] i guess... [10:24] don't tell jackson :p [10:25] haha [10:48] gaming the system [10:49] I'm ashamed [10:50] who are you gaming the system for? [10:50] knome: the bluetooth/network-manager-gnome stuff affects mythbuntu and ubuntustudio, right? [10:50] hey elfy [10:50] hi :) [10:50] bluesabre, yep. [10:50] bluesabre, mythbuntu said "we never wanted bluetooth in our ISOs to begin with" [10:51] bluesabre, studio said "we'll do what you do" [10:51] ah [10:51] so that sounds like an ACK to me [10:51] yes [10:51] heard anything from cyphermox, or should I just get to it? [10:52] he's taken care of it before, and could upload it, so... [10:52] what's your schdule next week? weekend is.. weekend, and people might be away [10:52] he might just do it on monday when he gets back [10:52] hi there [10:52] he was waiting from the ack from myth before [10:52] as usual, I'm not around most of the day, most days [10:52] amigamagic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs [10:53] * bluesabre just wants to make sure the iso is fixed [10:53] * elfy does too [10:54] but the time for whining is done now so all I can do is watch others :) [10:54] * jhenke thumbs up, also waiting for a fixed iso :) [10:54] bluesabre, don't know how much of it you can do... [10:54] bluesabre, will need an uploader anyway [10:55] I can poke uploaders and hope for some outcome [10:55] bluesabre, and cyphermox has done it before (the exact same thing) [10:55] not much else [10:55] k [10:55] I'll leave it to him [10:55] yeah, i'm optimistic he'll get to it on monday :) [11:02] the released bugfixes, are already in the repositories of the 14.04 development branch? [11:03] or they should be applied manually to test them? [11:07] I checked all the bugs on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs but I didn't find the problem of the missing icons in the indicator plugin... Should I file a bug report? [11:08] amigamagic: I'm fairly sure that is tied in with bug 1302571 [11:08] bug 1302571 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Panel 0 xfce4-indicator-plugin misbehavior in Trusty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302571 [11:09] elfy I read that, but it doesn't talk of those missing icons... But maybe it's related, I don't know [11:09] neither do I completely [11:09] but icons I'm not sure of - that is possibly something else [11:12] to me Sound and Power Management indicators are there, so maybe it was already fixed and uploaded to the current development repositories so that all the testers could update and test? [11:13] but the keyboard and power management icons missing, to me it appears as a different problem... [11:13] I can not find xfce4-mixer in the settings editor of xfce4 [11:13] where it is that xfce4-indicator-plugin takes those icons? Is there some directory somewhere in which those icons are placed? [11:15] in the previous xubuntu there was an indicator for disk usage too, but now, in 14.04 I cannot find it [11:22] amigamagic: do you have a laptop? [11:22] if no, then the power indicator won't show up [11:22] starrats: we don't use that - we use pavucontrol - which is in the sound indicator [11:23] keyboard indicator needs to be configured via gnome/unity and is not integrated by xubuntu [11:23] ah okay elfy thanks [11:23] brainwash, for the power indicator, you are right, it should be displayed only when you are on a laptop. Actually I'm trying xubuntu 14.04 on a virtual machine that in turns is on a laptop. [11:24] but its icon is missing [11:24] you can see that in the property panel of the xfce4-indicator-plugin [11:24] because a vm is not a mobile device [11:24] brainwash, as I said, that is not the problem [11:24] there are two missing icons in the xfce4-indicator-plugin: keyboard and power managment [11:25] you can see that if you open the properties of the plugin [11:26] so you are talking about missing icons in the properties window? [11:26] and in place of keyboard indicator, on your panel you will have a blank square [11:26] in both [11:26] if its missing in the properties window its missing in the panel too [11:26] try yourself and see it [11:26] then configure the keyboard indicator [11:27] we won't ship this indicator in the final release [11:27] yes, I think that if something is broken, is better that it's not there until it's fixed [11:27] :) [11:27] it is not broken [11:27] I mean, its icon, of course... [11:28] the indicator functionality should work... But it's very ugly to see a void space inside the panel [11:28] install unity-control-center and configure it [11:29] we're really really late in the cycle; there is no time to pull things out and put them back [11:29] then I think you should at least "hide" that icon for the final release [11:29] yes, we never intended to include the keyboard indicator [11:29] it will be hidden [11:30] and there are two date/time indicators too [11:30] well, not installed at all [11:30] one of them should be hidden too [11:30] will be resolved, don't worry [11:31] you know, I want to help in reporting those little details because I like very much xubuntu distro [11:31] amigamagic: I hope you're going to be around for week 1 of Unreal Unicorn and onwards rather than week 26 :) [11:32] then ^^ :) [11:32] sorry for my ignorance, but what is Unreal Unicorn? [11:32] because in general week last is too late for anyone to do anything [11:32] amigamagic, helps to look at already reported bugs and blueprints that indicate they are been working on [11:32] knome: they have been - linked it earlier [11:32] * elfy named 14.10 that :p [11:33] amigamagic, also helps if you can use time to actually read logs for this channel and the mailing list; many people asking the same questions just makes us use lot of time in replying, not fixing things [11:33] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ has the logs for this channel [11:35] knome, I think a chat is not a forum, where you search for eons of previous logs on the web to see if someone talked of your same topic [11:35] but I understand your stress [11:41] basically we are pulling in a few extra packages because of dependencies... indicator-keyboard, indicator-datetime [11:41] ideally, final release will not have those [11:42] yes, it appears it's the case... Many of them are duplicate of plugin that xfce already had [11:42] but do you know why isn't there anymore the disk usage plugin? [11:43] it was useful... [11:44] bluetooth plugin is duplicated too :) [11:46] yeah, indicator-bluetooth as well :) [11:46] not sure about the disk usage plugin [11:46] we should have a fix for all of this in on Monday, so the builds on Tuesday should be in good shape [11:47] I've tested the fix and none of this extra stuff will be installed as a result [11:48] nice :) Can I try the fix too? [11:49] I miss this plugin from the 14.04 release: "xfce4-diskperf-plugin" [11:50] I mean, I think it was there in the previous versions [11:50] I cannot verify now, because I have installed 14.04 everywhere... :D [11:50] it's a package dependency issue... the network-manager-applet from https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/testing no longer depends on gnome-bluetooth [11:50] but there are a ton of packages you'll have to remove [11:51] since the dependency chain will pull in ubuntu stuff at that point [11:51] for your sanity, just remove indicator-datetime indicator-bluetooth indicator-keyboard [11:52] s/depends/recommends [11:52] maybe the safer and faster approach could be to just hide the duplicated indicators? [11:52] amigamagic, please, you're being told; the issue is being fixed [11:53] we know what we're doing [11:53] yeah, but in that case they are still running [11:53] there's no way you can help [11:53] if you'd like, you're welcome to hide them on your system [11:53] we'll have the fix in time for final release [11:54] ok, actually I'm already hiding them [11:54] :) [11:58] knome: "there is no way you can help" is a very horrible phrase to say... If you don't want support from users, I wonder why this channel is public. Peace and love, ok? :) [12:00] amigamagic, please don't try to understand me wrong [12:00] amigamagic, the fix is in the way to land to the ISO [12:00] amigamagic, at this point, there is nothing you can do to help it being there faster [12:00] amigamagic, and it's not really helpful to suggest other ways to fix it [12:01] amigamagic, all help is appreciated but we're mulling over an issue that's not an issue really. [12:02] knome, there was this phrase that confused me: "for your sanity, just remove indicator-datetime indicator-bluetooth indicator-keyboard", so I thought it was not completely fixed, but then I understood its meaning [12:03] and in fact, after that I wrote: "ok, actually I'm already hiding them" :) [12:06] a last thing: the last minute fixes will be in the repositories too, so that I can update the relative packages and get the fix me too, or I should reinstall the distro with the new updated iso? [12:07] anything that is landed will be in the repos [12:08] ok, thanks elfy === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic [14:54] another little (but annoying) bug found: if you open the task manager and you have italian language set as your current locale, if you go in the preferences of the task manager to change the displayed columns of the tasks, you will see two identical elements: PID and PID. The latter should be UID. If you select both PID, the task list too will display the two columns with the same heading text. [14:54] The english locale doesn't have this bug. [14:55] So, it's just a translation error. [15:04] amigamagic: please report bugs/errors on launchpad and/or https://bugzilla.xfce.org/ [15:09] thanks I will do that [18:32] elfy: please test xfpm from my PPA [18:39] elfy: and before doing this, change the action of your power button to "suspend" and press the button [18:39] in xfce4-power-manager-power-settings ofc [18:39] does this also trigger the black screen? [18:41] nope [18:42] all that triggers black screen here is lid close [18:43] knome: I'll upload the abiword fix now [18:43] Logan_, cheers [18:44] brainwash: nor did I test the power button [18:47] elfy: power button test it needed :) [18:48] then I should have already have tested it ;) [18:49] it should also trigger the black screen [18:49] sigh - long day - just set the power button on this machine to suspend ... [18:49] laptop is upgrading atm [18:54] we started to get reports about this problem just recently (~1 week) [18:55] not counting the report which targets xubuntu + xfce 4.11 from ppa [18:57] light-locker is the default lock option since 2014-03-21 [18:57] knome: uploaded :) [18:57] maybe nobody locked their PC for three weeks [18:57] Logan_, noticed, thanks [18:59] brainwash: so with PPA - suspend from power button works, suspend with lid close fails [19:00] with PPA o.o [19:00] did you restart xfpm before suspending? [19:00] possibly ... [19:01] not ... [19:03] thunar crash. \o/ [19:05] how? [19:05] brainwash: so with PPA - suspend from power button works, suspend with lid close fails [19:05] still [19:05] ok, thanks [19:06] in 'g_node_traverse()' [19:06] brainwash: anything else? [19:06] elfy: not right now [19:06] I thought we had this fixed previously [20:39] why the option to save the session at logout is not actived as default? [20:40] every time I logged out, after logging in the order in which I arranged the icons was changed [20:40] and I discovered that it was because the option to save the session at the logout was not selected [20:55] amigamagic, because that confuses most people if enabled. [20:59] I think it's the contrary [21:00] icons? [21:00] I was confused because after relogging I found my icons rearranged in a different way [21:00] you mean desktop icons? [21:00] yes [21:00] that's really saved in the session? [21:00] yes [21:00] wow [21:00] that's dumb [21:01] i wonder why [21:01] amigamagic: That's not what that does, session save saves the open applications and stuff. [21:01] yeah, that's what i thought [21:01] hey guys, you can try yourself, what can I say... [21:01] but if you turn session saving on, it makes it remember desktop icon positions? [21:01] no, i can believe you... there's a lot of weird stuff in the code [21:01] to me it happens in this way... I don't know if it's the correct behaviour [21:02] that should really be stored independently to the session [21:02] i might look in to it [21:02] amigamagic: I have tried it, it does exactly what I say... [21:02] anyway, if I don't click on save session on logout, my desktop icons will be rearranged in alphabetic order [21:02] Mind aren't all grouped, still good upon login. [21:03] are these "file/launcher icons"? [21:03] or "minimized application icons"? [21:03] launcher icons (in the terminology of thunar) [21:03] hmm... my icons don't get rearranged on login [21:04] and i never save the session [21:05] sorry guys... I don't know why, but now my icons are always rearranged in alphabetic order, even if I save the session on logout... [21:05] maybe it was a code change [21:05] "even if I save the session on logout..." So if it doesn't "fix" it, why do you think it fixes it? [21:05] xfdesktop has seen a lot of changes lately [21:05] I don't know why... And if I move a desktop icon in a far place (to the far right, for example), after log out and log in, I will find the icons ordered on the left again.ù [21:06] what happens if you open a terminal and run "killall xfdesktop" [21:06] it should restart just the desktop icons [21:06] Unit193, I was wrong, what can I say... but the problem remains... [21:06] ali1234, now I try... [21:07] * Unit193 ponders permission problems. [21:07] ok, with killall xfdesktop, the icons keep their position [21:07] hmm [21:07] hmm [21:07] okay i just reproduced it by killall xfdesktop [21:08] but only on the latest version [21:08] yes I'm on 14.04 [21:08] before i had an old git snapshot installed and it didn't forget the positions [21:08] so this is a recent change (past couple of weeks) [21:08] and a bug [21:08] to you killall xfdesktop forgets the previous positions? [21:09] hmm... it only happened once, when i changed between the two versions [21:09] so perhaps the way it is stored canged [21:09] eric_the_idiot: any idea about this? [21:09] eric_the_idiot: when "upgrading" xfdesktop, icon positions are lost... [21:10] i can't reproduce again though [21:10] ali1234, now the problem to me seems casual... Sometimes it remembers the positions, other times it doesn't remember them... [21:11] Now I tried to log out and log in and the icons are at their previous positions, but I saved the session. I don't know if this is related to the saving of the session [21:11] ah [21:11] i see why it happened for me [21:11] the two different versions of xfdesktop draw the icon grid a different size [21:12] if you put an icon in the bottom right with the old version it gets pushed off the screen on the new version [21:12] so then it resets all the positions [21:14] wait... I'm on a virtual machine (vmware)... If i change the window size, the icons will be automatically rearranged and sorted [21:14] yep [21:14] that must be it [21:14]