[15:17] <zooko> Hey, does anybody want to help me diagnose a failure of the lubuntu trusty daily build installer?
[15:17] <zooko> It opens a pop-up window saying nothing but "???". :-)
[15:19] <leszek> zooko: did you tried starting it from terminal to see any helpful error message yet ?
[15:19] <zooko> leszek: how do I do that?
[15:19] <zooko> I tried running:
[15:19] <zooko> sudo /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm vt7 :0 ubuntu /usr/bin/ubiquity --only
[15:19] <zooko> but that did nothing visible.
[15:19] <leszek> running ubiquity from terminal
[15:20]  * zooko tries just "ubiquity"
[15:20] <zooko> Oh, I see. :-)
[15:20] <zooko> Haha. I'm too smart for my own good.
[15:20] <leszek> why do you want to install the displaymanager ubiquity session ? If its an error in the installer then just execute it
[15:20] <zooko> Okay, now there are no error messages on stdout or stderr from the "ubiquity" command, but I have the "??? ???" dialog box.
[15:20] <leszek> ubiquity-dm is just a displaymanager wrapper script which executes ubiquity in a minimal openbox environment as far as I know
[15:21] <xnox> leszek: ubiquity-dm runs _just ubiquity_ without loading up a full blown desktop. (the difference is huge e.g. on ubuntu/gnome flavours, much less on openbox though)
[15:22] <zooko> Okay, so is there anything else I can try to diagnose this?
[15:23] <zooko> I ran "ubiquity" from the command-line, and got the same failure: a dialog box saying "??? ???".
[15:23] <zooko> There are no new lines added to /var/log/syslog.
[15:24] <zooko> Can I turn on debugging verbose output when invoking "ubiquity" ?
[15:24] <xnox> zooko: check /var/log/installer/debug
[15:24] <zooko> Good news! There is a "--debug" flag.
[15:25] <zooko> xnox: thanks.
[15:25] <xnox> zooko: there are also other files in /var/log/installer (dm debug log and parman partitioning file)
[15:27] <zooko> Bummer: no data is written to those files!
[15:28] <zooko> Oh, no there  is something wrong with my "tail" command.
[15:28] <zooko> what the heck.
[15:28] <zooko> Why doesn't tail -F /var/log/installer/debug show me the newly added data?
[15:31] <zooko> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[15:31] <leszek> zooko: maybe it is loging to /var/log/messages
[15:31] <zooko> (ubiquity:21129): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_radio_button_set_group: assertion '!g_slist_find (group, radio_button)' failed
[15:32] <zooko> that line is then repeated a second time.
[15:32] <zooko> Is that the error?
[15:32] <zooko> Hm, there are also some scary-sounding error messages in /var/log/syslog.
[15:32] <zooko> Let's see...
[15:33] <zooko> a backtrace from ped_assert inside libparted.so.3.
[15:33] <zooko> Sounds like a likely culprit.
[15:33] <zooko> So I guess that something about my partition table causes libparted.so to assert-fail!
[15:33] <zooko> Oh, it says fat_open in that stack rtace.
[15:33] <zooko> There is no FAT fs attached.
[15:34] <zooko> Oh, yes there is, the EFI System Partition.
[15:34] <zooko> fat32
[15:34] <zooko> Okay, well I have to stop this and do other work today.
[15:34] <zooko> I would like to help get this fixed, if possible.
[15:34] <zooko> Let me know how I can help.
[15:35] <leszek> zooko: I would suggest the #ubuntu-devel channel for this as it is not lubuntu specific but a general ubuntu / ubiquity thing
[15:36] <xnox> leszek: zooko: installer bugs go to #ubuntu-installer
[15:36] <xnox> leszek: zooko: not ubuntu-devel.
[15:36] <xnox> zooko: Gtk-CRITICAL are normal gtk things it says.... you can see those pretty much from any gtk app one runs.
[15:37] <zooko> xnox: ok.
[17:16] <d_jgro> I just upgraded Lubuntu to 13.04, and the screen changed to what appears to be 16 bit graphics. Any way to revert this?
[17:52] <d_jgro> I just upgraded Lubuntu to 13.04, and the screen changed to what appears to be 16 bit graphics. Any way to revert this?
[18:03] <Unit193> d_jgro: Old intel graphics?
[18:07] <d_jgro> Unit193: yeah
[18:08] <Unit193> d_jgro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649/comments/51
[18:08] <Unit193> Also, you may want to upgrade, 13.04 went EOL.
[18:09] <d_jgro> 13.04 is the latest...
[18:09] <wxl> no 13.10 is the latest d_jgro
[18:09] <wxl> and 14.04 is set to come out in one day
[18:10] <Unit193> Right, and 14.04 will be an LTS if you don't like to upgrade.
[18:10] <wxl> 13.04 is indeed EOL (read: insecure)
[18:10] <Unit193> !13.04
[18:11]  * wxl wonders
[18:11] <wxl> !13.10
[18:11] <wxl> ah it doesn't say when support ends
[18:11] <Unit193> Quantal has 4 more days, saucy 94.
[18:14] <d_jgro> Anyway, thanks for the help :-)
[20:19] <chulis> is possible to change my nick colour in xchat.gnome?
[20:28] <wxl> !lts
[20:54] <Meerkat> hm. a bit outdated. :p
[21:06] <wxl> are we still doing 3/5 years?
[21:11] <Unit193> wxl: Servers, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu get 5, rest go for 3.
[21:12] <wxl> interesting.
[21:14] <Silverlion> are you guys talking LTSs`?
[21:15] <wxl> yep
[22:01] <gQuigs> hi there. .I just wanted to confirm if lubuntu will be supported for 3 or 5 years
[22:01] <gQuigs> ahh
[22:01] <gQuigs> Lubuntu 14.04!
[22:10] <ianorlin> 3
[22:13] <gQuigs> ianorlin: so this page is wrong?  and I should contact omgubuntu to let them know they are wrong too
[22:13] <gQuigs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_14.04_LTS
[22:14] <gQuigs> is it written somewhere official that people can check?
[22:26] <ianorlin> http://www.tuxarena.com/2014/04/one-week-until-lubuntu-14-04-lightweight-lts-tidy-overview-with-screenshots/ this is one with correct
[22:48] <micky> hello?
[22:49] <micky> anyone here?
[22:49] <wxl> !ask | micky
[22:50] <micky> cool
[22:51] <micky> My question is when exactly the 14.04 Lubuntu LTS will come out (not the beta).
[22:51] <wxl> the 17th
[22:51] <wxl> !14.04
[22:52] <micky> So it is safe to say that Lubuntu will be out the same day as Ubuntu?
[22:52] <wxl> yep
[22:52] <micky> ok
[22:52] <wxl> that is always the plan
[22:53] <micky> Something else: The spyware / privacy issues Stallman talked about with respect to Ubuntu (search inquireis going to a canonical server and the amazon targeted ads). Is there any such stuff in Lubuntu?
[22:54] <wxl> nope
[22:55] <wxl> and bdesides, everything is configurable
[22:55] <wxl> it's not windows.
[22:55] <wxl> stallman is just a grumpy old toe cheese eater :)
[22:57] <micky> I think most of his arguments are sound.... .)
[22:57] <micky> Minor question: Is all the Lubuntu developement done through voluntary contribution (no one paid)? And who does most of the Linux kernel developement? Volunteer or Red Hat and other such companies?
[22:57] <micky> *Volunteers
[22:57] <wxl> there are paid developers at canonical
[22:57] <wxl> all of the ubuntu derivatives use some of that development
[22:58] <wxl> the rest is voluntary
[22:58] <wxl> as for the kernel, that's a darn good question but it's a heck of a lot of people :)
[22:58] <micky> :) okidoy
[22:58] <micky> okidok
[23:00] <micky> I am beginning to use linux but I think I will not go back to windows. Also the support is much greater that with Windows!
[23:00] <wxl> indeed
[23:00] <wxl> and it's not virusbait
[23:01] <micky> that was the initial reason
[23:02] <micky> have you tried out other distros than lubuntu?
[23:02] <wxl> certainly
[23:04] <micky> Ok. Thanks! Got to go to bed... n8
[23:06] <ianorlin> wiating on people in IRC is greater than being on hold on the phone