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muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/Dv5VxDI.jpg00:23
muziniview from the highest point in the UK00:23
daftykins:O00:27
daftykinsso there's some greenery left00:27
muziniplenty of it00:28
muzinifrom the top of Ben Nevis00:28
daftykins:D00:29
shaunocan't be - not enough rain?!00:29
daftykinshow long's the hike?00:29
diddledandaftykins: about 1.3km :-p00:30
muziniAbout 4 hours up and 3 hours down00:30
diddledan(straight up)00:30
daftykins:o00:32
muziniI've taken a radio up there00:32
muziniand I heard Iceland and French radio stations from the Pyrenees00:32
daftykinshaha neat00:34
muziniyep00:43
muziniI'm planning a trip to Norway soon.00:43
daftykinssomething bigger to climb? ;)00:43
shaunotry ireland!  nothing more than bumps to climb, but the radio reception is amazing00:46
daftykins:)00:47
shaunoI found out recently that rte still operate atlantic 252's transmitter.  I had no idea it still existed00:50
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muziniIt was not bad reception for 1,000 miles away but whilst you're up at 4409FT the French Transmitter is one of the Highest in the world00:56
muziniat 10kft00:56
muziniand it pretty much covers ths south of France for coverage.00:57
muziniI was only hoping to hear the Faroe Islands but heard Icelandic instead.00:57
shaunocurious, what band?00:58
muziniI've already tried Ireland before :D00:59
daftykinsi was going to ask which band too00:59
muziniAll the BBC nationals and classic01:10
muzinifrom blackhill, forth 1, cluyde 1, tay fm, kingdom f01:10
muzinibeat 106, central fm01:10
muziniMFR, northsound west fm and borders01:11
daftykinsso purely FM?01:11
muziniI only did FM DXing01:14
diddledanDXing?01:15
muzinistations search01:17
muzinihttp://imgur.com/a/MkGcP01:17
muzinihere is a gallery of images from my trip to Ireland01:18
shaunoI can't decide if I should queue another episode, or go to bed :/01:36
daftykinsi'm going with bed01:38
shaunothis is the sensible choice, since I should be up at 8.01:39
shaunobut .. does "too lazy to go to bed" make any sense?01:39
daftykinsyeah i'm always suffering from that one01:39
daftykinsi felt tired at midnight but here i am ;/01:39
muziniwhereabout are you?01:41
shaunoI don't particularly feel tired, but I know if I keep putting it off it'll get light again01:41
daftykinsmuzini: Channel Islands01:42
shaunoI'm on the atlantic coast of ireland01:42
shauno(I'm not sure why I always specify that, but basically, the bit that isn't dublin)01:43
daftykins:D01:43
muzinivery nice01:43
muziniI visited Alderney few years ago01:43
muziniits a small island01:43
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/xFNtpMf.jpg01:43
daftykinsthat's the only one i've not been to properly01:44
muzinionly about 2000 people.01:44
muziniReally nice beaches.01:44
daftykins:)01:45
daftykinsi have some local stuff if you'd like01:45
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/axo44ps02ut2586/ZxhE4_TsjS01:45
muziniits not very well known but its a 3wonderful island01:45
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4n77vp7rb9123a/MGPDBthSjg01:45
daftykinsand last one https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov01:46
daftykinsjust a phone i'm afraid so no fancy quality01:46
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/IvFEgXC.jpg01:46
muzinithis is what the town looks like01:46
muzinireally lovely.01:46
daftykins:)01:46
muzinitheres an old fort there as well01:47
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/QrevKpL.jpg01:47
daftykinsi've been on a connecting flight via there, but didn't see more than the secluded airport01:47
daftykinsyeah my dad's quite into the island's fortifications from war time and so on01:47
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/YHH4MIo.jpg01:47
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/Q8rPB1Z.jpg01:47
muziniand yet another01:48
daftykinsbeautiful01:48
muzinihttp://i.imgur.com/YKiWsN0.jpg01:48
muzinithis one is from the top of one of the forts01:48
muzinithey have lots of forts01:48
daftykinswell, all our islands do01:49
daftykinsthe Germans put up tonnes of defenses during the occupation01:49
peretalo lads01:50
daftykinsit's pretty quiet now mr.peret01:51
daftykinsonly those of us that refuse to go to sleep remain01:51
daftykins:>01:51
peretwell yes01:51
pereteveryone is asleep01:51
pereteven the bloody city01:51
muziniI think these predate the german occupation by quite some time01:52
shaunoI love "haven't been there properly".  I got the mental picture of just waking up there drunk one morning01:52
daftykinsmuzini: yeah they typically added onto them though01:52
shauno(I know what you mean though.  I spent 3 days in Atlanta airport.  I still can't decide if I've "been" to Georgia or not)01:53
daftykinslmao01:53
daftykinson our roadtrip we actually didn't stop in GA01:53
daftykinsour guidebook said the best thing to see was the coca cola factory01:53
daftykinsmuzini: foetal alcohol syndrome is pretty serious on Alderney01:54
muziniwas it worth it?01:54
shaunothat's pretty optimistic.  I'd probably claim the best thing to see was the "welcome to tennesee" sign01:54
daftykinswe didn't go :(01:54
peretdaftykins: the guide was correct01:56
daftykins:D01:56
shaunoI didn't particularly enjoy atlanta airport, because every morning security seemed to get a little more curious about me.  I got touched in ways you'd normally pay 50eur for01:56
daftykinsoh dear01:56
peretatlanta airport is the 2nd biggest attraction01:56
peretthis is according to futurama01:56
daftykinslmao01:57
shaunowell here it is.  I'm going to bed because if I don't, I'll download GoT in the very near future and have a very rough morning at work tomorrow02:00
daftykins:)02:00
daftykinsi'm heading off at last too02:00
daftykinsg'night all02:00
daftykinshave a good week o/02:00
shaunonow or never really :)02:00
shaunoo/02:00
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jussimorning ladles and gentlespoons04:52
nigelbMorning jussi05:20
mappsmorning06:16
mappsprob noone awake06:16
jussimapps: Im awake, just busy :)06:30
mappshey06:34
mappsso happy06:46
mappswe got an email about our bonus at work..way more than we expected06:46
mapps:D06:46
shaunothat's always a good way to start the day :)06:53
mappsya06:53
mapps37.5%  bonus we expected 20-2506:54
mappsi was v surprised06:54
mappsand it makes a big diff06:54
mappsprob like 5k diff06:54
jussimapps: nice!07:01
mappsyes07:05
mapps:D07:05
mappswe expected some 20-2507:05
mappsbut i guess we did better than thought07:05
jussimapps: so are you then going to buy us all a round? :F07:05
mappsalthough..that means the company made like 900mil profit lol07:05
mappssure07:06
mappsif im ever somewhere you all are..il buy7:P07:06
mappsi was looking at going to Finland or maybe Poland jussi on the 3rd may07:06
mappsgoing to the United game.plane was to fly after07:06
mappsbut cant find any evening flights:(07:06
jussicool! come and have a drink with me!07:06
jussimapps: from where?07:07
mappsae you in helsinki?07:07
jussiyes07:07
mappsManchester07:07
mappsgames 3pm07:07
mappsi cant fly before 7pm07:07
jussiwell almost... in helsinki07:07
jussi(about 50km out)07:07
mappslike game finished 5pm..we'd hav to get to airport..and check in and stuff07:07
jussithere are no flights after 18:3007:07
mappsso plan was fly after united game and go to somewhee in EU07:07
mappsyea07:07
mappsi couldnt find ANY EU after 18;00?07:07
mappsis it same for all eu?07:08
jussicheck in you can do before the game. only take hand luggage and you will be fine.07:08
mappsi only ever take hand luggage07:08
mappsstill07:08
mappsgame finishs at 507:08
mappswhat time6?07:08
jussiwhen would you come back?07:08
shaunoignore the football nonsense and you can make a much more effective use of the trip :)07:08
mappswell07:09
mappson the 6th07:09
mappswe got another united game07:09
mappsso 3/4/56 we fly back07:09
mappsthen fly off again07:09
jussiargh, they changed it - last finnair out of manchester is at 17:50. probably too soon for you...07:09
mappssheesh07:10
mappsi dont think i could make it07:10
mapps3pm kick off07:10
mappsna no way07:10
shaunoairport bars don't have TVs?07:10
jussiyeah, 18:30 would have been fine. lemme check some others07:10
jussishauno: he is going to the game...07:10
mappsit says 15mins from old trafford -> manchester airport07:10
mapps18;30 is earliest07:11
mappsand yea il only have hold luggage07:11
mappsso i can check in at home on internet.but coming from manchester07:11
jussiooh, theres one at 18:20...07:12
mappson when?07:12
jussiyou get in rather late to helsinki, but that shouldnt be a major problem...07:12
mappsna07:12
mappsthats fine07:12
jussiits a Lufhansa flight, via frankfurt. on the 3rd may07:13
mappsgives us 4/5 and 6 8pm ko07:13
mappsah07:13
mappshow long total?07:13
mappsand sometimes these via flights are well expensive07:13
jussiyou get in just before midnight UK time (1:45 am Helsinki time)07:13
mappsi saw some like 200 quid 12hs when its like 2hrs nomallyt and 40quid07:13
mappsyea thats fine for me07:13
mappshow much though07:13
jussiabout a 1 hour stopover07:14
jussi290,33 €07:14
mappssheesh07:14
mapps7see07:14
mappsthts expensive07:14
jussireally?07:14
mappsyea07:14
mappslook at next day07:14
jussiI thought that was pretty normal :P07:14
mappswe can get return and hotel for like 400 euro07:14
jussiin helsinki or poland?07:15
mappshelsinki07:15
mappssec07:15
mappsall desperate for our GREAT british pounds07:15
mapps;p07:15
mappshttp://www.expedia.co.uk/Helsinki-Hotels-Hotel-Haven.h2233290.Hotel-Information?packagePIID=53d29057-490b-4f35-a932-17de286326ce-1&usePS=1&packageType=fh&hotelId=2233290&currentRatePlan=402140200826229&packageType=fh&hlrId=0&defaultFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&originId=6000390&ftla=MAN&numberOfRooms=1&ttla=HEL&toDate=06/05/2014&infantsInSeats=1&07:16
mappsfromDate=03/05/2014&destinationId=178261&adultsPerRoom[1]=2&currentFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&hashTag=picturesAndTours&inttkn=1wWjt7TRXte9d21207:16
mappsfs07:16
mappshttp://goo.gl/DiaaHC07:16
mappscheck that07:16
mapps623 euros flight and hotel and 5*07:17
mappsthat near centre?07:17
jussiyeah, I know that hotel. right in the centre of Helsinki. pretty nice place07:17
mappsso see07:18
mapps293 are expensive07:18
mappsthat are 623 flight return and hotel07:18
mapps:D07:18
mappsi dont mind going to finland though..if my friend does too07:19
mappsits euros yea?07:19
jussiyes07:19
MartijnVdS.fi is euro country07:19
mappsive got some euros from holland left07:19
mapps:)07:19
mappsyea07:19
MartijnVdSmapps: You'll need Finnish Euros though07:19
mappsbut so is .cz MartijnVdS i thought07:19
mappsand they use czech kroner07:20
mappswhat?? .fi euros? youre joking?:D07:20
MartijnVdS.cz is EU, but not Euro (like UK, Denmark, and a few others)07:20
mappseuros are the same everywhere?07:20
mappsyea07:20
MartijnVdSmapps: they are, I'm just kidding ;)07:20
mapps*phew*07:20
mapps:D07:20
MartijnVdSmapps: When euros were new, I convinced a few friends that their German euros wouldn't work in .nl though07:21
mappsyou been to finland MartijnVdS?07:21
MartijnVdSmapps: I have not07:21
mappsi think its ok07:21
mappswe never hear of any troubles07:21
mappsor anything07:21
MartijnVdSfrom Finland?07:21
mappsyea07:21
shaunofinnish euros are the same as everyone else's euros, except you can't pronounce them :(07:21
MartijnVdSThey're a quiet people07:21
directhexalso drunk07:21
MartijnVdSexcept if you're Russian.07:21
mappsthey like russian07:22
mappshm07:22
mappsim not07:22
jussimapps: 345€ for 5* hotel (Hilton) + 293€ for flights = 63807:22
mappsjussi07:22
mappslook for 4 may07:22
mappswhens earliest flight from manchester then07:22
mappsgotta see the footie so il stay out in manchester all night then fly07:23
shaunoI tried that for a concert.  turns out the train station gets kinda cold in november :/07:23
shaunothat's now my primary memory of manchester.  an awkward night spent dressed in leather in the train station.  ahem.07:24
jussimapps: seems your deal is best for 4th of may. only gives me damn expensive prices here (10:20 seems earliest flight that I see)07:24
mappshm07:25
mappslets see]07:25
jussibut you should also look at hilton for 5* - seems minorly cheaper07:25
mappssheesh07:25
mappsim not a snob jussi07:26
mapps4* is fine;p07:26
jussimapps: then you will get a much better deal than Haven07:26
mappsah07:26
jussiService in helsinki is expensive07:26
jussimapps: what kind of holiday are you after?  a city break?07:27
mappsyes07:27
mappslike when i went cz07:27
mappsand holland07:27
jussisec07:27
mappswanna be central07:27
mappsjussi http://goo.gl/rfamNP ??07:27
jussithats a fair way from the centre...07:28
mappssays 2mies from airport07:28
mappsah07:28
MartijnVdSjussi: cabs!07:28
jussiairport is ~20km from the centre07:28
jussiMartijnVdS: you ever been in a helsinki cab?07:28
MartijnVdSjussi: I've never been to Helsikni07:29
jussiMartijnVdS: yeah, it shows :P07:29
mappsjussi http://goo.gl/sVqkCf07:29
MartijnVdSjussi: are they like Amsterdam cabs?07:29
jussiMartijnVdS: no idea. but they are friggin expensive07:29
shaunoI tend to avoid cabs most places.  they all seem to turn into clandestine tour operators07:30
MartijnVdSjussi: Amsterdam cabs are expensive and the drivers are maniacs07:30
jussiMartijnVdS: just think that the airport is kinda like going to stansted07:30
MartijnVdSevery so often, there's a big fight among them07:30
jussimapps: do you like something a little "different" ? :D07:30
mappshm depends ow diffeent07:31
mappshow07:31
jussi"In a 1900s Art Nouveau castle, just under half a mile from central Helsinki, this hotel features free in-room Wi-Fi. Aleksanterin Teatteri Tram Stop is 260 yards away."07:31
mappsi like a bed not tent..ive done festivals;p07:31
mappsah cool07:31
mappsis it on expedia?07:31
jussidunno, on booking.com07:31
jussiGlo Hotel Ar07:31
jussit07:32
mappsthat sounds cool07:32
mappsi just use expedia as hey do flight ad everything for me07:32
mappsasier;p07:32
mappslol07:32
MartijnVdSbooking is great (to use); I've heard from several hotel owners that they're a bit sucky :)07:32
mappsheh07:32
* jussi goes back to work07:33
mapps:D07:34
shaunoI gotta admit I've started using booking.com for comparisons, and then actually booking through the hotel07:34
mappswhy07:34
directhexi use hipmunk for flights07:34
directhexi like its "agony" scoring07:34
mappsgoing to cz in 3 weeks again07:34
mappscheap beer cheap cigs07:35
mapps:D07:35
shaunothere seems to be a split between how hotels treat 'their' guests vs booking's guests07:35
mappsah07:35
shaunonot huge differences, just things like who gets the room with the view, etc.  or in some cases, whether it counts towards their loyalty programs, and blah blah blah07:36
JamesTaitGood morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Look Up at the Sky Day! :-D07:37
mappshey JamesTait07:38
mappsmorning mate07:38
JamesTaitMorning mapps! o/07:39
diddledanyawnage!08:18
diddledan4 days?08:28
diddledanamirite?08:28
MartijnVdShttps://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/useing-youre-types-good08:29
diddledaneek08:34
bashrcmorning08:34
diddledanmornign08:34
bashrcis anyone on pump.io ?08:35
* diddledan pumps08:35
diddledanI've not really looked into it yet08:35
scott_deaganHey folks. No 14.04 release party in London this year?08:39
directhex14.04 release party is on the moon. BYOB.08:40
diddledanbring your own bomb?08:40
MartijnVdSbring your own bits?08:44
mappyo08:44
directhexbring your own base. can't have a party on the moon without a decent moon base.08:45
MartijnVdSdirecthex: but all your base are belong to us.08:46
mappgoing back to tottenham next week08:46
mapp:D08:46
mappspurs v fullham08:46
scott_deagan:D08:46
mappshould be good08:46
directhexyou could use the nazi moon base, but it needs some tidying first08:46
Laneypumpio pumpio PUMP I OOOOOOOOOOO08:47
mapphmm08:52
mappslightly worried08:52
diddledanwhat was the name of their ship?08:53
mappi accidently skipped a taxi08:53
mappi didnt have any money/know where it was - woke up on the train euston -> stoke7but08:54
mappive got a feeling i got a taxi and said i had no money but woukd pay08:54
mappcant remember08:54
diddledanoh dear, that's not good08:54
mappyea08:56
foobarrymapp: my train stops at white hart lane on my way home08:57
mappwe'd been having such a good time at WHL08:57
mapp:D08:57
mappfoobarry08:57
mappwhere you at?08:57
foobarryon match days we get loads of overweight chavs ont he train08:57
foobarryenfield, i'm an arsenal supporter08:57
mappah no08:57
foobarryhad a season ticket for many years until couple of seasons ago (kids)08:57
MooDoohello all08:58
mappyou live in a flat or house foobarry?09:00
mappjust isnt most of london flats?09:00
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:00
mappand like 2 bed flats : 609:00
MooDoomorning brobostigon09:00
foobarrysurburbia is not flats09:01
brobostigonmorning MooDoo09:01
foobarryit is trees and houses09:01
mappah09:01
mappso you got a house garden etc?09:02
mappnice09:02
foobarryyes09:02
mapphow much u pay a month mate if i can ask09:02
mappall i could find was like 1500-170009:02
foobarryi own it, i've never rented09:02
mapplooking at e +c09:02
mappoh09:02
mappyou're a lot older than me i guess :)09:02
foobarrybut i know of lots of friends in enf who rent09:02
foobarryi bought my first house @ 2509:03
foobarrybut it was 65k \o/09:03
mappis it not like 1500=1700 there?709:03
mappits iduclous eveywhere now09:03
foobarryi don't think my friends could afford 1500pm09:03
mappseriously mate09:03
mapplook at the rents09:03
mappits like 1500=2000 in almost all of london09:03
foobarryyou can get a quite  nice maisonette in gordon hill for 1050pm09:04
directhexthat's because russian minerals oligarchs own all the houses09:04
brobostigonmy pebble lasted 6 days before hitting 20% charge, very happy with that.09:04
foobarryhttp://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/3221660209:04
mappthas not too bad09:04
mappbut09:04
mapp1050 for 1 is still a bit09:04
foobarrythey are nice inside09:04
foobarry2 large bedrooms09:05
mappyea09:05
mappbut 1050 for 1 is still quite a bit09:05
mappi could *just* manage09:05
foobarryyou can get a lodger09:05
mapppfff09:05
mapp:D09:05
foobarryits like a house inside09:05
foobarryi owned the one a few doors up09:05
mappim trying to move to e+c09:05
foobarrywhats e+c09:05
mappbut i dont think i can afford to09:05
mappelephant and castle09:06
foobarryeww09:06
mapplol09:06
foobarrydude, try there at night09:06
foobarryits dangerous09:06
mappive been there many times;p09:06
foobarryi feared for my life09:06
mappbeen to ministy of sound09:06
foobarryand i live near edmonton09:06
mappi guess im different09:06
foobarrystill doing heartbleed updates :(09:07
foobarryfor internal servers not managed centrally09:07
mappim 6`2 19 stone..so usually get left alone:D09:07
mapplike at the spurs match09:07
mapplol09:07
mappthe seats ae a joke09:07
mappim rubbing shoulders and legs with the guy next to me09:07
foobarryespecially in winter couats09:10
mappits rubbish09:10
mapp:(09:10
mappwas gonna say summit else then realise itd this chan09:10
mappyou been bell and hare in tottenham foobarry?09:10
foobarrynope09:11
foobarryi avoid tottenham :D09:11
mappoh09:11
mapp:P09:11
mappna09:11
mappits fine09:11
foobarryi'm arsenal fan09:11
mappah09:11
mappwell i went other day was ok09:11
popeypip pip09:11
foobarryso i'm against everything tottenham. years of indoctrination09:11
foobarryalthogh i went to the aldi in bruce grove once09:12
foobarrymy son needed a wee and no shops had toilets09:12
mapptottenham isnt too bad09:12
mappi spent hours in that pub09:13
mappAND im fucking from surrey ..i sound as posh and soft as they come;p09:13
mappwas speaking to some big black guy like60year old he eben took the piss outta my accent lol09:13
foobarryhmm my cronjob is not running.09:13
directhexwhen did 3.5" disks get thinner?09:14
diddledano_O09:15
MartijnVdSthey did?09:15
directhexmy sshd is about 0.5cm thinner than the spinpoint it replaced09:18
MnemonicCarrierGreetings and salutations.09:25
MnemonicCarrierHast thou a 14.04 release party for me and me maties?09:27
diddledanyaarrrr09:28
diddledanthere was talk of one at canonical hq09:29
scott_deaganI asked earlier, apparently there's one on the moon, but you have to bring your own base.09:29
diddledanbut I not sure what the outcome of the discussions was09:29
scott_deagandiddledan: that would be cool.09:29
MooDoothought popey was creating the event?09:29
dwatkinsfun times with certificate problems after heartbleed09:35
MooDoodwatkins: bain of my fricken existance.09:37
dwatkinsMooDoo: I can imagine - some certs for additional sites used in a product I support weren't updated - all hail the javascript console for showing me this information09:37
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MooDoopick a nick will ya ;)09:39
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mappyrgh09:43
mapphow much do i sponsor someone at work09:43
foobarrywhat for?09:43
foobarrymarathon?09:43
mapp£50?09:43
foobarryor eating donuts09:43
mappna09:43
mapphes running some thing..for his kids.he had 2 kids that died and he has  fom another girl09:43
mappbit like09:44
mappi hate sponsors09:44
mapphate feeling like i need to pay people09:44
foobarrygive waht you would be happy with09:44
foobarrygiving grudgingly is hardly worth doing :D09:44
mappto me its lke09:45
mappya09:45
mappbut iike it just fees annoying always being asked for momey for someones new charity raise09:45
foobarryreminds me i need to sponsor a martahon friend09:45
mappmmy cousin run the marathon09:46
mappshe lives in you knows caulsdon?09:46
mappin croydon09:46
foobarrycauldron?09:46
mappgah09:46
MartijnVdSmapp: time for a new keyboard? :)09:46
mappCoulsdon09:47
mappCoulsdon is a settlement at the south of the London Borough of Croydon, lying between approximately 12.5 and 13 miles from Charing Cross. Wikipedia09:47
mappWeather: 13°C, Wind NE at 3 mph (5 km/09:47
mapp:P09:47
foobarry"settlement"09:47
mappso i said o instead if a09:47
foobarrysounds like some sort of peasant dwelling09:47
mapp]yea09:47
mappLOL09:47
mappno09:47
foobarrylike in stronghold09:47
foobarrythrow burning oil on them09:47
mappcouldson is nicer tha croydon09:47
mapphave u been to croydon09:47
mappits a dump09:47
mappdefinitely not gypsies09:48
mappmy uncle was  DCI in the MET before he retired09:48
mapp:)09:48
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:55
bigcalmSSH tunnels - am I doing this right?09:55
Dave2who knows09:55
bigcalmThere is a MS SQL server I need to connect to from a local windows machine. The MS SQL server is not publicly accessible. It is accessible via a Linux server I have a login on09:56
dwatkinsare you using -L or -R, bigcalm?09:57
bigcalmssh -L 1433:firewalled.off.server.com:1433 publicly.accessible.server.com -N09:57
bigcalmI can do telnet localhost 1433 and it connects to something09:57
dwatkinslooks right based on my own alias for redirecting from a public server, can the machine you're sshing to resolve the name of the firewalled-off server, bigcalm?09:58
bigcalmBut I can't connect MS SQL Server Management Studio to my machine09:58
diddledan"something" :-D09:58
bigcalmdwatkins: I'm using a 10.x.x.x IP address09:59
dwatkinscan the ssh server connect itself to the SQL port if you login to it and telnet from it?09:59
bigcalm$ telnet 10.176.199.42 143310:00
bigcalmTrying 10.176.199.42...10:00
bigcalmConnected to 10.176.199.42.10:00
bigcalmEscape character is '^]'.10:00
dwatkinsalso, ssh -vv (or -vvv) might be useful)10:00
bigcalmThat was useful10:01
bigcalmI can telnet localhost 1433 and it connects10:01
bigcalmFrom another linux machine here, I try telnet 192.168.1.4 1433 and it says connection refused10:02
bigcalm192.168.1.4 is the machine I'm running the redirect on10:02
bigcalmSo it's allowing connections from localhost but not from elsewhere on my LAN10:03
bigcalmAnybody with thoughts?10:05
bigcalmCan I set up a tunnel from the local windows machine?10:06
dwatkinsdo you mean that the machine you're setting up the redirection from isn't allowing external machines to use the redirected port? that's an option in the ssh config10:07
dwatkinshttp://www.snailbook.com/faq/gatewayports.auto.html10:07
bigcalmdwatkins: correct10:07
bigcalmWoooooooo10:08
bigcalm-g fixes it!10:08
dwatkins:D10:09
bigcalmThanks dwatkins :)10:09
dwatkinsyou're welcome, happy to be of help :)10:09
* bigcalm tries not to wreck the client's live database10:09
dwatkinsI assume they do backups...10:12
diddledandwatkins: that's a crazy idea!10:12
dwatkinsI know, right?10:14
treb0rHi Chaps, any launch parties planned for trusty in or around Manchester / Liverpool / Leeds?10:20
foobarrywho has redmine set up for version control?10:27
popeytreb0r: if not then feel free to set one up10:27
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treb0rpopey: might be a bit short notice now. But I really do want to get more involved with Ubuntu Uk and do this kind of thing in the future.10:33
treb0rI've seen the light (again)10:33
denni____What would be a good place to buy cheap dinner plates, drinking glasses in the UK? I feel things are quite expensive here in London.10:34
popeydenni____: pound shop10:34
denni____ah, good point, there are many pound shops right?10:34
popeyor any supermarket10:34
denni____like 99p shop is one?10:35
popeyyes, every high street has one10:35
denni____97p shop etc.10:35
MooDootreb0r: if you do set one up or in the future set one up for manchester then i'm only an hour or 2 away from you.10:35
MartijnVdSIKEA?10:35
denni____IKEA good idea too, I'm a bit far unfortunately.10:36
denni____http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00133123/ - great price,10:37
popeythey deliver now iirc10:37
denni____I'll definitely also check the 99p shopsa, argos cheapest is 1.50 each, but I want to buy 10, a lot of things10:37
popeyyou can get a dinner set in most supermarkets10:38
popeyeverything in a box - usually 4 of each or 6 of each10:38
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dwatkinsdaftykins: thanks for sharing the link to the ThinkBroadband graph, it's quite interesting to see how well mine is working: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/91564c510e3f9da30e764b06a81e49e0.html12:20
ali1234chrome really sucks13:01
ali1234it's the new IE13:01
ali1234i have to put workarounds because the rendering engine is so terrible13:01
ali1234not only is it broken in both android and desktop version, it is also broken in different ways13:02
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BigRedSis there an Android Chrome that's different to Android's default browser?13:09
ali1234yes13:09
ali1234and it is also different to chrome for desktop13:09
BigRedSoh, why?13:09
BigRedSI mean, different on desktop I can understand13:09
bigcalmBecause nobody likes consistency13:10
BigRedSbut two mobile browsers?13:10
ali1234android chrome is for tablets13:10
ali1234android browser is for phones13:10
ali1234here is a page which utterly fails in chrome for android http://jsbin.com/xosabita/113:11
ali1234http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1/edit for source code13:11
ali1234compare with firefox to see how it is supposed to look13:12
diddledanno, android chrome is replacement for android browser13:12
ali1234it kind of works in chrome for desktop, but not quite13:12
diddledanthe two aren't meant to coexist13:12
ali1234diddledan: android chrome is unusable on a small screen13:12
diddledanI've never had a problem13:12
ali1234you probably never used a small screen13:13
ali1234i'm talking about 800x480 and so on13:13
directhexandroid 4.4 no longer offers an up-to-date widget for embedding web browsers13:15
directhexas used by the standard browser app13:15
directhexgotta use chrome13:15
directhexor bake your own browser13:15
aaronrAnyone here running 14.04 yet?13:21
czajkowskime13:23
czajkowskibeen running it for the last 3 months13:23
aaronri notice ia32-libs isn't around anymore, is there a new metapackage for installing that the 32-bit compat stuff?13:24
MartijnVdSaaronr: no. You can just install the required 32-bit libraries separately. It's called "multiarch"13:24
aaronrspecifically I need libsm6:i386 but that doesn't seem to exist. libsm6 has both 64-bit and 32-bit versions though according to launchpad13:25
aaronrprelaunch bug maybe? or am i going about this in the wrong way?13:26
MartijnVdSaaronr: works fine here, did you 'apt-get update'?13:27
MartijnVdSaaronr: can you do:13:27
MartijnVdSdpkg --print-architecture13:27
MartijnVdSand:13:27
MartijnVdSdpkg --print-foreign-architectures13:27
BigRedSyou have to add the arch first don't you?13:28
aaronryeah ran aptitude update about 20 mins ago, so should be pretty recent13:28
MartijnVdSBigRedS: Maybe on upgrade? I didn't need to by default13:28
aaronrrunning those dpkg comands13:28
MartijnVdSaaronr: also, what's the message you get when you run 'apt-cache policy libsm6:i386' ?13:29
BigRedSMartijnVdS: ah, perhaps. I'm sure I had to do it before, but only on older distros13:30
aaronrhm, no foreign architectures. guessing that's the problem. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/424a4782e93df3aac53413:30
MartijnVdSaaronr: in that case, dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update13:30
MartijnVdS(also don't use aptitude please)13:30
aaronr... and now it knows about libsm6:i386 :) thanks!13:32
MartijnVdSnp!13:32
aaronraptitude is now bad-form?13:33
MartijnVdSyeah, its dependency resolution/conflict resolution is worse than apt's own now13:33
aaronroh wow. that's the entire reason i used it over apt-get :/13:33
aaronrwhich release did that get worse with? (something since 12.04 i'm guessing?)13:34
MartijnVdSaaronr: It didn't really get worse, just apt-get got better ;)13:35
aaronrahh okay13:35
aaronralso i read a couple days ago that there's an apt command in addition to apt-get/apt-cache... which is the preferred one to be using in 14.04 land?13:36
MartijnVdSooh13:37
MartijnVdSthat's new to me13:37
MartijnVdSit looks like that merges apt-get+apt-cache13:37
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aaronrit seems to, but from what i read at first it's kinda aptitude-like in that it does things its own way? will find the omgubuntu link, one sec13:38
aaronrhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/how-to-enable-apt-terminal-progress-bar13:38
MartijnVdSaaronr: except it's written by the apt maintainers :)13:39
BigRedSaptitude used to be hilarious. "aptitude install postfix" "okay, but I'll need to remove Apache2 and vim, and install xemacs to do that"13:40
diddledano_O13:40
aaronrhaha, yeah. for a while though it solved apt-get's craziness13:40
diddledanapt-get vs apt SMACKDOWN13:40
aaronrIT'S ON13:41
aaronrso i'm guessing that eventually apt-get and apt-cache will be replaced by the apt command?13:41
aaronrif it's by the same people?13:41
MartijnVdSI suppose13:42
diddledanI wonder why the new name13:42
MartijnVdSdiddledan: because apt-get/apt-cache is confusing13:42
MartijnVdSdiddledan: yum, etc. all have it in one command13:42
aaronryeah i did like that with aptitude i didn't have to remember to append the correct suffix13:42
BigRedSI've always thought there should be an 'apt' commadn that just knows which subcommands are for apt-get and which for apt-cache and calls them respectively. This seems like rather a more complex solution to the same problem :)13:51
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BigRedSWas a consensus reached on a release do in London? I've just marked-as-read about a billion lists emails...13:57
awilkinsMANCHESTER14:23
awilkinsEveryone who is anyone is in Manchester14:24
MartijnVdSwe are?14:24
dwatkinsI thought I was in Edinburgh.14:24
awilkinsI thought you MartijnVdS was in Holland...14:24
awilkins(I'm in Leeds)14:25
MartijnVdSawilkins: amsterdam atm yes14:25
BigRedSManchester? That's up near Enfield isn't it?14:29
bigcalmHarry?14:37
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bashrcI'm in Manchester15:16
Seeker`I'm not \o/15:29
dwatkinsme neither, unless there was some serious seismic activity whilst I was asleep15:30
foobarrythought my phone had been charging all day. cable had been knocked. its at 5% :(15:35
diddledanfoobarry: no playing tuxcart on your way home then?15:36
foobarry:(#15:36
* popey hugs his portable battery15:38
* foobarry remembers his wife had the same phone15:42
foobarrybut doesn't use it anymore15:42
foobarrybut its at home :(15:43
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diddledanhaving "slack" at work, an IRC-alike for businesses, is a bad idea - I make too many risqué jokes16:08
directhexwe have an irc-alike for business16:12
directhexwe call it "irc"16:12
diddledanyeah, it would be mucho simpler-o to get everyone on real-irc16:12
diddledanplus it'ld let me have my irc window open while in the office without anyone suspecting I'm not doing real work16:13
diddledanslack has some nifty things though. they've made it irc++16:18
perethello16:27
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mappsYES17:22
mappsmy passport came17:22
mapps:D17:22
brobostigonvisiting scotland soon mapps ?17:26
mappspah17:27
mappsnie17:27
mappsFinland/Iceland/Budapest17:27
mappson the next schedule17:27
brobostigonsorry, bad joke.17:27
mapps:D17:27
mapps=so why would i pay £15 for post office check and send..did it myself and it was fine?17:27
mappswhat a ripoff17:27
brobostigonit would be a vlid joke, if scotland seperated, but still aplies now.17:28
brobostigonyop17:28
mappsand loads must pay i17:28
mappsi almost did..thinking maybe i dont summit wrong17:28
mappsbut absolutely no need17:29
diddledanwhat's the post office check and send?17:29
mappsthey check your application check its all ok etc17:29
mappsand send it basically17:29
diddledano..k17:30
mappsya17:30
mappsripoff17:30
diddledanpassports are expensive enough without that rubbish17:30
mappsya17:31
mappsthink i paid 72 quid17:31
diddledanthat sounds about right17:31
mappsyea17:32
mappsi couldnt totally remember17:32
mappshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2604168/Woman-hated-34a-breasts-afford-boob-job-wish-come-true-STRANGERS-internet-funded-op.html17:39
mappswhat a name17:39
mapps'Gemini' gotta love it when chavs name kids17:39
MartijnVdS"We named her after her star sign"17:41
mappsso many young parents name their kids all kind of crazy things17:42
mappswhats wrong with the normal names17:42
mappshttps://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/html_tutorial/geolocate/geolocate3.html how close does that get using non gps? for me 72metres17:43
mappsand the streetview image is of my side wall!17:43
mappswith gps it gets to 10metres!17:43
mappswas just curious17:45
MartijnVdSinvalid SSL cert17:45
mappsya17:45
mappsbecause i generated it myself17:45
mappsand it isngt signed i think?17:45
mapps*isnt17:45
foobarryanyone else getting  cold  calls from GFK "market research"17:47
mappsnope17:47
mappsi get cold calls but theyre more weird than that17:47
mappsi get calls to my andline pick it up..beep beep..noone there...so hang up17:47
mapps1hr later same thing17:47
mappsso i just unplug my landline generally..i only use it for my adsl - but then i plug it back i and its ok for a month..then they start again lol17:48
foobarryinterrupted my dinner17:48
mappsi dont get what mine is? its literally beep beep17:48
mappsnoone there..number withheld17:48
mappsyou had that?17:48
foobarryyep17:49
foobarrythat means there is no callcenter monkey to take the call17:49
foobarryaltough they called you17:49
mappslol17:50
mappsreally?17:50
mappseveruy time thats all i get17:50
mappsi got a call off orange asking if i wanted a 2nd contract or a tablet as one of their higher tarrif customers17:50
mappslike LOL17:50
ali1234the autodialer keeps a pool of phones ringing so that there is always a call available for the next operator17:50
mappsi pay enough..pay 55 a month..i wanted unlimited data17:50
mappsah17:51
ali1234it's highly illegal to do that but they don't care17:51
ali1234they are operating from outside the EU usually17:51
mappsyea and noone does anything about it..how can we? and the regulators are a joke anyway17:51
mappsbut lol at orange17:51
mappsdo i want to double my bills..why yes please17:51
daftykinsdwatkins: good to know! (re: the thinkbroadband graph) i found it very handy for proving packet loss to my ISP18:02
daftykinsyours looks pretty clean though :) other than 9am to 3pm 0o18:03
diddledanI set mine up earlier http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/2b709c2c6943bd70c02de18acd959a66.html18:03
diddledanpretty decent for what it's managed to capture thus far18:04
daftykins:D18:04
daftykinsneat18:04
daftykinsi have a dynamic IP though so it's a pain to keep recreating18:05
diddledanergh18:05
diddledansucky18:05
daftykinsnot sure if i shouldn't just disable it now, as they fixed my issue18:05
* diddledan petpet his static18:05
foobarrypage up/down keys have been lost to the tomato soup :(18:16
daftykinsnooooo18:17
foobarryoh, just page up18:17
popeyhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co?ref=category18:18
foobarrywatching collectaholics with a guy who has 35000 star wars objects18:18
foobarrythese guys are nearly always men18:18
popeygetting close but possibly wont make it18:18
foobarryand stragnely, nearly always married18:18
mappslol18:36
mappsbut that means nothing18:36
mappsthere's plenty of pigs18:36
mappshorrific ugly fat women18:36
foobarry:-|18:36
foobarryr u drunk?18:36
mappsno?18:36
foobarryjust checking18:36
mappsyou said strangely nearly always married18:37
mappsjust saying..loads of awful women around18:37
foobarrywell they seem a lot more understanding than they should be18:38
foobarrylike the man who collects empty beer cans and displays them all over the house18:38
mappsplus a lot of women need to be with someone for confirmation they're doing ok..i see girls at work go from SUPER SERIOUS relationship to another18:38
mappsand its like just lol18:38
mappsyea i guess, but everyone has hobbies18:38
daftykins0o18:39
daftykinsit's the hoarders i can't stand18:39
mappslol18:39
mappshoarding i get..as stuff can be useful18:39
mappsbut18:39
daftykinsi've started programs about them before but can't finish them18:39
daftykinsi just get annoyed :D18:39
mappsnot when they're keeping like empty egg cartons lol18:39
mappsi dont like chucking stuff out..but i can still tell whats clearly rubbish:P18:40
daftykinsexactly :D18:40
mappsits shocking sometimes18:40
mappslike they clearly cant even move about the house18:40
daftykinslike i recycled a lot of PATA cables the other day 'cause that's now useless practically :>18:40
mappsfoobarry you know what i mean? like anyone can get a women/girl if they want18:40
mappshmm18:40
mappsid probaby have kept them18:41
mappsbut thats me18:41
daftykinshow much exposure are you going to have to PATA equipment now though? :)18:41
foobarrywhy is pistorius saying milady instead of m'lud18:41
mappsbut what if daftykins18:42
mappsthen il belike YES I GOTS THEM18:42
mappsand youll be all upset18:42
daftykinswell i kept a pair of them18:42
daftykins:>18:42
daftykinsbut i got rid of surplus18:42
foobarrywifey visiting family.18:45
foobarrygot one evening spare to myself. time to fire up the airbrush18:46
daftykinsah model time?18:48
foobarryyep18:48
foobarryfinally got the guts to do a lnacaster18:48
daftykins:D18:48
mappsairbrush?18:52
daftykinsfoobarry does airfix style stuffs18:53
foobarrya noble hobby19:08
mappsah cool19:42
mappsim crap at anything like that19:42
mappsfat fingers:D19:42
shaunoI break for ribbon cables!  it's not unusual to lop the ends off though.19:43
diddledanthe launch isn't going ahead19:47
diddledannext window friday19:47
diddledan:-(19:48
diddledanI wanted to see a rocket go flamey19:48
bashrcare they launching shuttleworth again?19:48
diddledanlol, no, spacex19:48
bashrcah19:49
bashrcstuff in space19:49
daftykinsi thought you meant ubuntu for a bit19:52
daftykins:>19:52
daftykinsshauno: break for them? hmm?19:53
shaunoa bumper-sticker meme :/19:59
daftykinsoooh brake20:00
daftykins:>20:00
shauno;)20:01
shaunoI no good the english.  looooong day :/20:02
daftykinsnot quite sure why i couldn't make that leap20:02
shaunoit wasn't an intentional leap :|20:03
daftykinsnaw, just surprised i didn't get it20:03
shaunoI'm getting that a lot at the moment.  did you know, if you use wpa-psx instead of wpa-psk, wifi doesn't "get it" either?20:04
shaunoI can't type, I can't read, I can't follow instructions .. I think it's bedtime soon20:05
dwatkinsdaftykins: yeah, my ISP seems to concentrate mostly on businesses, which is fine for me as I'm not using it much during the day20:05
dwatkinsi.e. they have mostly business customers, hence the daytime latency20:06
foobarrybbc220:15
foobarrystorage space market is crazy20:15
mappsgah20:53
mappsliving alone isa pain at times20:53
mappstake aways :<20:53
mappsmin order £1020:53
daftykins:<20:53
mappsive ordeered 2x my order before20:53
mappsbut20:53
mappsits pretty grim cold20:53
mappslol20:53
mappshow is this allowed..channel5 pick pockets and proud 34yr old criminal talking about pick pocketing..living in a council house paid for by us21:21
mappssurely the council could stop their benefits and the police could prosecute21:22
shaunoI'm not sure things are that easy21:28
mappswell its on channel5 now and theyre shown pick pocketing..bragging about it21:28
mappssurely the council could act on it21:28
mappsjust feels like a mockery that we're paying their benefits and they commit crimes against us all?21:29
shaunosure.  but I have to wonder if making them homeless isn't a little disproportionate  (and whether it'd discourage them, or just make them have to 'work harder')21:31
mappswell21:31
mappssurely we could prosecute based on the tv shhow get them off the streets21:31
mappsthere's romanians shown to be bragging making money pickpocketing on the tube.stealing bags etc21:32
shaunosounds like a plan.  luckily we don't pay for prisons ;)21:33
mappswell whats the solution21:33
mappslet them do whatever they want?21:33
shaunothat's what I mean.  not that easy21:33
mappswithout sounding like well cant think of the word..you can tell what these lot are like a mile away21:35
mappsthe way they dress/act/look etc21:35

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