[00:23] http://i.imgur.com/Dv5VxDI.jpg [00:23] view from the highest point in the UK [00:27] :O [00:27] so there's some greenery left [00:28] plenty of it [00:28] from the top of Ben Nevis [00:29] :D [00:29] can't be - not enough rain?! [00:29] how long's the hike? [00:30] daftykins: about 1.3km :-p [00:30] About 4 hours up and 3 hours down [00:30] (straight up) [00:32] :o [00:32] I've taken a radio up there [00:32] and I heard Iceland and French radio stations from the Pyrenees [00:34] haha neat [00:43] yep [00:43] I'm planning a trip to Norway soon. [00:43] something bigger to climb? ;) [00:46] try ireland! nothing more than bumps to climb, but the radio reception is amazing [00:47] :) [00:50] I found out recently that rte still operate atlantic 252's transmitter. I had no idea it still existed === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:56] It was not bad reception for 1,000 miles away but whilst you're up at 4409FT the French Transmitter is one of the Highest in the world [00:56] at 10kft [00:57] and it pretty much covers ths south of France for coverage. [00:57] I was only hoping to hear the Faroe Islands but heard Icelandic instead. [00:58] curious, what band? [00:59] I've already tried Ireland before :D [00:59] i was going to ask which band too [01:10] All the BBC nationals and classic [01:10] from blackhill, forth 1, cluyde 1, tay fm, kingdom f [01:10] beat 106, central fm [01:11] MFR, northsound west fm and borders [01:11] so purely FM? [01:14] I only did FM DXing [01:15] DXing? [01:17] stations search [01:17] http://imgur.com/a/MkGcP [01:18] here is a gallery of images from my trip to Ireland [01:36] I can't decide if I should queue another episode, or go to bed :/ [01:38] i'm going with bed [01:39] this is the sensible choice, since I should be up at 8. [01:39] but .. does "too lazy to go to bed" make any sense? [01:39] yeah i'm always suffering from that one [01:39] i felt tired at midnight but here i am ;/ [01:41] whereabout are you? [01:41] I don't particularly feel tired, but I know if I keep putting it off it'll get light again [01:42] muzini: Channel Islands [01:42] I'm on the atlantic coast of ireland [01:43] (I'm not sure why I always specify that, but basically, the bit that isn't dublin) [01:43] :D [01:43] very nice [01:43] I visited Alderney few years ago [01:43] its a small island [01:43] http://i.imgur.com/xFNtpMf.jpg [01:44] that's the only one i've not been to properly [01:44] only about 2000 people. [01:44] Really nice beaches. [01:45] :) [01:45] i have some local stuff if you'd like [01:45] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axo44ps02ut2586/ZxhE4_TsjS [01:45] its not very well known but its a 3wonderful island [01:45] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4n77vp7rb9123a/MGPDBthSjg [01:46] and last one https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov [01:46] just a phone i'm afraid so no fancy quality [01:46] http://i.imgur.com/IvFEgXC.jpg [01:46] this is what the town looks like [01:46] really lovely. [01:46] :) [01:47] theres an old fort there as well [01:47] http://i.imgur.com/QrevKpL.jpg [01:47] i've been on a connecting flight via there, but didn't see more than the secluded airport [01:47] yeah my dad's quite into the island's fortifications from war time and so on [01:47] http://i.imgur.com/YHH4MIo.jpg [01:47] http://i.imgur.com/Q8rPB1Z.jpg [01:48] and yet another [01:48] beautiful [01:48] http://i.imgur.com/YKiWsN0.jpg [01:48] this one is from the top of one of the forts [01:48] they have lots of forts [01:49] well, all our islands do [01:49] the Germans put up tonnes of defenses during the occupation [01:50] alo lads [01:51] it's pretty quiet now mr.peret [01:51] only those of us that refuse to go to sleep remain [01:51] :> [01:51] well yes [01:51] everyone is asleep [01:51] even the bloody city [01:52] I think these predate the german occupation by quite some time [01:52] I love "haven't been there properly". I got the mental picture of just waking up there drunk one morning [01:52] muzini: yeah they typically added onto them though [01:53] (I know what you mean though. I spent 3 days in Atlanta airport. I still can't decide if I've "been" to Georgia or not) [01:53] lmao [01:53] on our roadtrip we actually didn't stop in GA [01:53] our guidebook said the best thing to see was the coca cola factory [01:54] muzini: foetal alcohol syndrome is pretty serious on Alderney [01:54] was it worth it? [01:54] that's pretty optimistic. I'd probably claim the best thing to see was the "welcome to tennesee" sign [01:54] we didn't go :( [01:56] daftykins: the guide was correct [01:56] :D [01:56] I didn't particularly enjoy atlanta airport, because every morning security seemed to get a little more curious about me. I got touched in ways you'd normally pay 50eur for [01:56] oh dear [01:56] atlanta airport is the 2nd biggest attraction [01:56] this is according to futurama [01:57] lmao [02:00] well here it is. I'm going to bed because if I don't, I'll download GoT in the very near future and have a very rough morning at work tomorrow [02:00] :) [02:00] i'm heading off at last too [02:00] g'night all [02:00] have a good week o/ [02:00] now or never really :) [02:00] o/ === peret is now known as peretZ [04:52] morning ladles and gentlespoons [05:20] Morning jussi [06:16] morning [06:16] prob noone awake [06:30] mapps: Im awake, just busy :) [06:34] hey [06:46] so happy [06:46] we got an email about our bonus at work..way more than we expected [06:46] :D [06:53] that's always a good way to start the day :) [06:53] ya [06:54] 37.5% bonus we expected 20-25 [06:54] i was v surprised [06:54] and it makes a big diff [06:54] prob like 5k diff [07:01] mapps: nice! [07:05] yes [07:05] :D [07:05] we expected some 20-25 [07:05] but i guess we did better than thought [07:05] mapps: so are you then going to buy us all a round? :F [07:05] although..that means the company made like 900mil profit lol [07:06] sure [07:06] if im ever somewhere you all are..il buy7:P [07:06] i was looking at going to Finland or maybe Poland jussi on the 3rd may [07:06] going to the United game.plane was to fly after [07:06] but cant find any evening flights:( [07:06] cool! come and have a drink with me! [07:07] mapps: from where? [07:07] ae you in helsinki? [07:07] yes [07:07] Manchester [07:07] games 3pm [07:07] i cant fly before 7pm [07:07] well almost... in helsinki [07:07] (about 50km out) [07:07] like game finished 5pm..we'd hav to get to airport..and check in and stuff [07:07] there are no flights after 18:30 [07:07] so plan was fly after united game and go to somewhee in EU [07:07] yea [07:07] i couldnt find ANY EU after 18;00? [07:08] is it same for all eu? [07:08] check in you can do before the game. only take hand luggage and you will be fine. [07:08] i only ever take hand luggage [07:08] still [07:08] game finishs at 5 [07:08] what time6? [07:08] when would you come back? [07:08] ignore the football nonsense and you can make a much more effective use of the trip :) [07:09] well [07:09] on the 6th [07:09] we got another united game [07:09] so 3/4/56 we fly back [07:09] then fly off again [07:09] argh, they changed it - last finnair out of manchester is at 17:50. probably too soon for you... [07:10] sheesh [07:10] i dont think i could make it [07:10] 3pm kick off [07:10] na no way [07:10] airport bars don't have TVs? [07:10] yeah, 18:30 would have been fine. lemme check some others [07:10] shauno: he is going to the game... [07:10] it says 15mins from old trafford -> manchester airport [07:11] 18;30 is earliest [07:11] and yea il only have hold luggage [07:11] so i can check in at home on internet.but coming from manchester [07:12] ooh, theres one at 18:20... [07:12] on when? [07:12] you get in rather late to helsinki, but that shouldnt be a major problem... [07:12] na [07:12] thats fine [07:13] its a Lufhansa flight, via frankfurt. on the 3rd may [07:13] gives us 4/5 and 6 8pm ko [07:13] ah [07:13] how long total? [07:13] and sometimes these via flights are well expensive [07:13] you get in just before midnight UK time (1:45 am Helsinki time) [07:13] i saw some like 200 quid 12hs when its like 2hrs nomallyt and 40quid [07:13] yea thats fine for me [07:13] how much though [07:14] about a 1 hour stopover [07:14] 290,33 € [07:14] sheesh [07:14] 7see [07:14] thts expensive [07:14] really? [07:14] yea [07:14] look at next day [07:14] I thought that was pretty normal :P [07:14] we can get return and hotel for like 400 euro [07:15] in helsinki or poland? [07:15] helsinki [07:15] sec [07:15] all desperate for our GREAT british pounds [07:15] ;p [07:16] http://www.expedia.co.uk/Helsinki-Hotels-Hotel-Haven.h2233290.Hotel-Information?packagePIID=53d29057-490b-4f35-a932-17de286326ce-1&usePS=1&packageType=fh&hotelId=2233290¤tRatePlan=402140200826229&packageType=fh&hlrId=0&defaultFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&originId=6000390&ftla=MAN&numberOfRooms=1&ttla=HEL&toDate=06/05/2014&infantsInSeats=1& [07:16] fromDate=03/05/2014&destinationId=178261&adultsPerRoom[1]=2¤tFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&hashTag=picturesAndTours&inttkn=1wWjt7TRXte9d212 [07:16] fs [07:16] http://goo.gl/DiaaHC [07:16] check that [07:17] 623 euros flight and hotel and 5* [07:17] that near centre? [07:17] yeah, I know that hotel. right in the centre of Helsinki. pretty nice place [07:18] so see [07:18] 293 are expensive [07:18] that are 623 flight return and hotel [07:18] :D [07:19] i dont mind going to finland though..if my friend does too [07:19] its euros yea? [07:19] yes [07:19] .fi is euro country [07:19] ive got some euros from holland left [07:19] :) [07:19] yea [07:19] mapps: You'll need Finnish Euros though [07:19] but so is .cz MartijnVdS i thought [07:20] and they use czech kroner [07:20] what?? .fi euros? youre joking?:D [07:20] .cz is EU, but not Euro (like UK, Denmark, and a few others) [07:20] euros are the same everywhere? [07:20] yea [07:20] mapps: they are, I'm just kidding ;) [07:20] *phew* [07:20] :D [07:21] mapps: When euros were new, I convinced a few friends that their German euros wouldn't work in .nl though [07:21] you been to finland MartijnVdS? [07:21] mapps: I have not [07:21] i think its ok [07:21] we never hear of any troubles [07:21] or anything [07:21] from Finland? [07:21] yea [07:21] finnish euros are the same as everyone else's euros, except you can't pronounce them :( [07:21] They're a quiet people [07:21] also drunk [07:21] except if you're Russian. [07:22] they like russian [07:22] hm [07:22] im not [07:22] mapps: 345€ for 5* hotel (Hilton) + 293€ for flights = 638 [07:22] jussi [07:22] look for 4 may [07:22] whens earliest flight from manchester then [07:23] gotta see the footie so il stay out in manchester all night then fly [07:23] I tried that for a concert. turns out the train station gets kinda cold in november :/ [07:24] that's now my primary memory of manchester. an awkward night spent dressed in leather in the train station. ahem. [07:24] mapps: seems your deal is best for 4th of may. only gives me damn expensive prices here (10:20 seems earliest flight that I see) [07:25] hm [07:25] lets see] [07:25] but you should also look at hilton for 5* - seems minorly cheaper [07:25] sheesh [07:26] im not a snob jussi [07:26] 4* is fine;p [07:26] mapps: then you will get a much better deal than Haven [07:26] ah [07:26] Service in helsinki is expensive [07:27] mapps: what kind of holiday are you after? a city break? [07:27] yes [07:27] like when i went cz [07:27] and holland [07:27] sec [07:27] wanna be central [07:27] jussi http://goo.gl/rfamNP ?? [07:28] thats a fair way from the centre... [07:28] says 2mies from airport [07:28] ah [07:28] jussi: cabs! [07:28] airport is ~20km from the centre [07:28] MartijnVdS: you ever been in a helsinki cab? [07:29] jussi: I've never been to Helsikni [07:29] MartijnVdS: yeah, it shows :P [07:29] jussi http://goo.gl/sVqkCf [07:29] jussi: are they like Amsterdam cabs? [07:29] MartijnVdS: no idea. but they are friggin expensive [07:30] I tend to avoid cabs most places. they all seem to turn into clandestine tour operators [07:30] jussi: Amsterdam cabs are expensive and the drivers are maniacs [07:30] MartijnVdS: just think that the airport is kinda like going to stansted [07:30] every so often, there's a big fight among them [07:30] mapps: do you like something a little "different" ? :D [07:31] hm depends ow diffeent [07:31] how [07:31] "In a 1900s Art Nouveau castle, just under half a mile from central Helsinki, this hotel features free in-room Wi-Fi. Aleksanterin Teatteri Tram Stop is 260 yards away." [07:31] i like a bed not tent..ive done festivals;p [07:31] ah cool [07:31] is it on expedia? [07:31] dunno, on booking.com [07:31] Glo Hotel Ar [07:32] t [07:32] that sounds cool [07:32] i just use expedia as hey do flight ad everything for me [07:32] asier;p [07:32] lol [07:32] booking is great (to use); I've heard from several hotel owners that they're a bit sucky :) [07:32] heh [07:33] * jussi goes back to work [07:34] :D [07:34] I gotta admit I've started using booking.com for comparisons, and then actually booking through the hotel [07:34] why [07:34] i use hipmunk for flights [07:34] i like its "agony" scoring [07:34] going to cz in 3 weeks again [07:35] cheap beer cheap cigs [07:35] :D [07:35] there seems to be a split between how hotels treat 'their' guests vs booking's guests [07:35] ah [07:36] not huge differences, just things like who gets the room with the view, etc. or in some cases, whether it counts towards their loyalty programs, and blah blah blah [07:37] Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Look Up at the Sky Day! :-D [07:38] hey JamesTait [07:38] morning mate [07:39] Morning mapps! o/ [08:18] yawnage! [08:28] 4 days? [08:28] amirite? [08:29] https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/useing-youre-types-good [08:34] eek [08:34] morning [08:34] mornign [08:35] is anyone on pump.io ? [08:35] * diddledan pumps [08:35] I've not really looked into it yet [08:39] Hey folks. No 14.04 release party in London this year? [08:40] 14.04 release party is on the moon. BYOB. [08:40] bring your own bomb? [08:44] bring your own bits? [08:44] yo [08:45] bring your own base. can't have a party on the moon without a decent moon base. [08:46] directhex: but all your base are belong to us. [08:46] going back to tottenham next week [08:46] :D [08:46] spurs v fullham [08:46] :D [08:46] should be good [08:46] you could use the nazi moon base, but it needs some tidying first [08:47] pumpio pumpio PUMP I OOOOOOOOOOO [08:52] hmm [08:52] slightly worried [08:53] what was the name of their ship? [08:53] i accidently skipped a taxi [08:54] i didnt have any money/know where it was - woke up on the train euston -> stoke7but [08:54] ive got a feeling i got a taxi and said i had no money but woukd pay [08:54] cant remember [08:54] oh dear, that's not good [08:56] yea [08:57] mapp: my train stops at white hart lane on my way home [08:57] we'd been having such a good time at WHL [08:57] :D [08:57] foobarry [08:57] where you at? [08:57] on match days we get loads of overweight chavs ont he train [08:57] enfield, i'm an arsenal supporter [08:57] ah no [08:57] had a season ticket for many years until couple of seasons ago (kids) [08:58] hello all [09:00] you live in a flat or house foobarry? [09:00] just isnt most of london flats? [09:00] morning boys and girls. [09:00] and like 2 bed flats : 6 [09:00] morning brobostigon [09:01] surburbia is not flats [09:01] morning MooDoo [09:01] it is trees and houses [09:01] ah [09:02] so you got a house garden etc? [09:02] nice [09:02] yes [09:02] how much u pay a month mate if i can ask [09:02] all i could find was like 1500-1700 [09:02] i own it, i've never rented [09:02] looking at e +c [09:02] oh [09:02] you're a lot older than me i guess :) [09:02] but i know of lots of friends in enf who rent [09:03] i bought my first house @ 25 [09:03] but it was 65k \o/ [09:03] is it not like 1500=1700 there?7 [09:03] its iduclous eveywhere now [09:03] i don't think my friends could afford 1500pm [09:03] seriously mate [09:03] look at the rents [09:03] its like 1500=2000 in almost all of london [09:04] you can get a quite nice maisonette in gordon hill for 1050pm [09:04] that's because russian minerals oligarchs own all the houses [09:04] my pebble lasted 6 days before hitting 20% charge, very happy with that. [09:04] http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/32216602 [09:04] thas not too bad [09:04] but [09:04] 1050 for 1 is still a bit [09:04] they are nice inside [09:05] 2 large bedrooms [09:05] yea [09:05] but 1050 for 1 is still quite a bit [09:05] i could *just* manage [09:05] you can get a lodger [09:05] pfff [09:05] :D [09:05] its like a house inside [09:05] i owned the one a few doors up [09:05] im trying to move to e+c [09:05] whats e+c [09:05] but i dont think i can afford to [09:06] elephant and castle [09:06] eww [09:06] lol [09:06] dude, try there at night [09:06] its dangerous [09:06] ive been there many times;p [09:06] i feared for my life [09:06] been to ministy of sound [09:06] and i live near edmonton [09:06] i guess im different [09:07] still doing heartbleed updates :( [09:07] for internal servers not managed centrally [09:07] im 6`2 19 stone..so usually get left alone:D [09:07] like at the spurs match [09:07] lol [09:07] the seats ae a joke [09:07] im rubbing shoulders and legs with the guy next to me [09:10] especially in winter couats [09:10] its rubbish [09:10] :( [09:10] was gonna say summit else then realise itd this chan [09:10] you been bell and hare in tottenham foobarry? [09:11] nope [09:11] i avoid tottenham :D [09:11] oh [09:11] :P [09:11] na [09:11] its fine [09:11] i'm arsenal fan [09:11] ah [09:11] well i went other day was ok [09:11] pip pip [09:11] so i'm against everything tottenham. years of indoctrination [09:12] althogh i went to the aldi in bruce grove once [09:12] my son needed a wee and no shops had toilets [09:12] tottenham isnt too bad [09:13] i spent hours in that pub [09:13] AND im fucking from surrey ..i sound as posh and soft as they come;p [09:13] was speaking to some big black guy like60year old he eben took the piss outta my accent lol [09:13] hmm my cronjob is not running. [09:14] when did 3.5" disks get thinner? [09:15] o_O [09:15] they did? [09:18] my sshd is about 0.5cm thinner than the spinpoint it replaced [09:25] Greetings and salutations. [09:27] Hast thou a 14.04 release party for me and me maties? [09:28] yaarrrr [09:29] there was talk of one at canonical hq [09:29] I asked earlier, apparently there's one on the moon, but you have to bring your own base. [09:29] but I not sure what the outcome of the discussions was [09:29] diddledan: that would be cool. [09:29] thought popey was creating the event? [09:35] fun times with certificate problems after heartbleed [09:37] dwatkins: bain of my fricken existance. [09:37] MooDoo: I can imagine - some certs for additional sites used in a product I support weren't updated - all hail the javascript console for showing me this information === bubu is now known as Flex === Flex is now known as Flexa === Flexa is now known as bubu === bubu is now known as Flx === Flx is now known as Guest73399 [09:39] pick a nick will ya ;) === Guest73399 is now known as Flexa [09:43] yrgh [09:43] how much do i sponsor someone at work [09:43] what for? [09:43] marathon? [09:43] £50? [09:43] or eating donuts [09:43] na [09:43] hes running some thing..for his kids.he had 2 kids that died and he has fom another girl [09:44] bit like [09:44] i hate sponsors [09:44] hate feeling like i need to pay people [09:44] give waht you would be happy with [09:44] giving grudgingly is hardly worth doing :D [09:45] to me its lke [09:45] ya [09:45] but iike it just fees annoying always being asked for momey for someones new charity raise [09:45] reminds me i need to sponsor a martahon friend [09:46] mmy cousin run the marathon [09:46] she lives in you knows caulsdon? [09:46] in croydon [09:46] cauldron? [09:46] gah [09:46] mapp: time for a new keyboard? :) [09:47] Coulsdon [09:47] Coulsdon is a settlement at the south of the London Borough of Croydon, lying between approximately 12.5 and 13 miles from Charing Cross. Wikipedia [09:47] Weather: 13°C, Wind NE at 3 mph (5 km/ [09:47] :P [09:47] "settlement" [09:47] so i said o instead if a [09:47] sounds like some sort of peasant dwelling [09:47] ]yea [09:47] LOL [09:47] no [09:47] like in stronghold [09:47] throw burning oil on them [09:47] couldson is nicer tha croydon [09:47] have u been to croydon [09:47] its a dump [09:48] definitely not gypsies [09:48] my uncle was DCI in the MET before he retired [09:48] :) [09:55] Good morning peeps :) [09:55] SSH tunnels - am I doing this right? [09:55] who knows [09:56] There is a MS SQL server I need to connect to from a local windows machine. The MS SQL server is not publicly accessible. It is accessible via a Linux server I have a login on [09:57] are you using -L or -R, bigcalm? [09:57] ssh -L 1433:firewalled.off.server.com:1433 publicly.accessible.server.com -N [09:57] I can do telnet localhost 1433 and it connects to something [09:58] looks right based on my own alias for redirecting from a public server, can the machine you're sshing to resolve the name of the firewalled-off server, bigcalm? [09:58] But I can't connect MS SQL Server Management Studio to my machine [09:58] "something" :-D [09:59] dwatkins: I'm using a 10.x.x.x IP address [09:59] can the ssh server connect itself to the SQL port if you login to it and telnet from it? [10:00] $ telnet 10.176.199.42 1433 [10:00] Trying 10.176.199.42... [10:00] Connected to 10.176.199.42. [10:00] Escape character is '^]'. [10:00] also, ssh -vv (or -vvv) might be useful) [10:01] That was useful [10:01] I can telnet localhost 1433 and it connects [10:02] From another linux machine here, I try telnet 192.168.1.4 1433 and it says connection refused [10:02] 192.168.1.4 is the machine I'm running the redirect on [10:03] So it's allowing connections from localhost but not from elsewhere on my LAN [10:05] Anybody with thoughts? [10:06] Can I set up a tunnel from the local windows machine? [10:07] do you mean that the machine you're setting up the redirection from isn't allowing external machines to use the redirected port? that's an option in the ssh config [10:07] http://www.snailbook.com/faq/gatewayports.auto.html [10:07] dwatkins: correct [10:08] Woooooooo [10:08] -g fixes it! [10:09] :D [10:09] Thanks dwatkins :) [10:09] you're welcome, happy to be of help :) [10:09] * bigcalm tries not to wreck the client's live database [10:12] I assume they do backups... [10:12] dwatkins: that's a crazy idea! [10:14] I know, right? [10:20] Hi Chaps, any launch parties planned for trusty in or around Manchester / Liverpool / Leeds? [10:27] who has redmine set up for version control? [10:27] treb0r: if not then feel free to set one up === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:33] popey: might be a bit short notice now. But I really do want to get more involved with Ubuntu Uk and do this kind of thing in the future. [10:33] I've seen the light (again) [10:34] What would be a good place to buy cheap dinner plates, drinking glasses in the UK? I feel things are quite expensive here in London. [10:34] denni____: pound shop [10:34] ah, good point, there are many pound shops right? [10:34] or any supermarket [10:35] like 99p shop is one? [10:35] yes, every high street has one [10:35] 97p shop etc. [10:35] treb0r: if you do set one up or in the future set one up for manchester then i'm only an hour or 2 away from you. [10:35] IKEA? [10:36] IKEA good idea too, I'm a bit far unfortunately. [10:37] http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00133123/ - great price, [10:37] they deliver now iirc [10:37] I'll definitely also check the 99p shopsa, argos cheapest is 1.50 each, but I want to buy 10, a lot of things [10:38] you can get a dinner set in most supermarkets [10:38] everything in a box - usually 4 of each or 6 of each === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === peretZ is now known as peret === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:20] daftykins: thanks for sharing the link to the ThinkBroadband graph, it's quite interesting to see how well mine is working: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/91564c510e3f9da30e764b06a81e49e0.html [13:01] chrome really sucks [13:01] it's the new IE [13:01] i have to put workarounds because the rendering engine is so terrible [13:02] not only is it broken in both android and desktop version, it is also broken in different ways === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:09] is there an Android Chrome that's different to Android's default browser? [13:09] yes [13:09] and it is also different to chrome for desktop [13:09] oh, why? [13:09] I mean, different on desktop I can understand [13:10] Because nobody likes consistency [13:10] but two mobile browsers? [13:10] android chrome is for tablets [13:10] android browser is for phones [13:11] here is a page which utterly fails in chrome for android http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1 [13:11] http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1/edit for source code [13:12] compare with firefox to see how it is supposed to look [13:12] no, android chrome is replacement for android browser [13:12] it kind of works in chrome for desktop, but not quite [13:12] the two aren't meant to coexist [13:12] diddledan: android chrome is unusable on a small screen [13:12] I've never had a problem [13:13] you probably never used a small screen [13:13] i'm talking about 800x480 and so on [13:15] android 4.4 no longer offers an up-to-date widget for embedding web browsers [13:15] as used by the standard browser app [13:15] gotta use chrome [13:15] or bake your own browser [13:21] Anyone here running 14.04 yet? [13:23] me [13:23] been running it for the last 3 months [13:24] i notice ia32-libs isn't around anymore, is there a new metapackage for installing that the 32-bit compat stuff? [13:24] aaronr: no. You can just install the required 32-bit libraries separately. It's called "multiarch" [13:25] specifically I need libsm6:i386 but that doesn't seem to exist. libsm6 has both 64-bit and 32-bit versions though according to launchpad [13:26] prelaunch bug maybe? or am i going about this in the wrong way? [13:27] aaronr: works fine here, did you 'apt-get update'? [13:27] aaronr: can you do: [13:27] dpkg --print-architecture [13:27] and: [13:27] dpkg --print-foreign-architectures [13:28] you have to add the arch first don't you? [13:28] yeah ran aptitude update about 20 mins ago, so should be pretty recent [13:28] BigRedS: Maybe on upgrade? I didn't need to by default [13:28] running those dpkg comands [13:29] aaronr: also, what's the message you get when you run 'apt-cache policy libsm6:i386' ? [13:30] MartijnVdS: ah, perhaps. I'm sure I had to do it before, but only on older distros [13:30] hm, no foreign architectures. guessing that's the problem. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/424a4782e93df3aac534 [13:30] aaronr: in that case, dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update [13:30] (also don't use aptitude please) [13:32] ... and now it knows about libsm6:i386 :) thanks! [13:32] np! [13:33] aptitude is now bad-form? [13:33] yeah, its dependency resolution/conflict resolution is worse than apt's own now [13:33] oh wow. that's the entire reason i used it over apt-get :/ [13:34] which release did that get worse with? (something since 12.04 i'm guessing?) [13:35] aaronr: It didn't really get worse, just apt-get got better ;) [13:35] ahh okay [13:36] also i read a couple days ago that there's an apt command in addition to apt-get/apt-cache... which is the preferred one to be using in 14.04 land? [13:37] ooh [13:37] that's new to me [13:37] it looks like that merges apt-get+apt-cache === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [13:38] it seems to, but from what i read at first it's kinda aptitude-like in that it does things its own way? will find the omgubuntu link, one sec [13:38] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/how-to-enable-apt-terminal-progress-bar [13:39] aaronr: except it's written by the apt maintainers :) [13:40] aptitude used to be hilarious. "aptitude install postfix" "okay, but I'll need to remove Apache2 and vim, and install xemacs to do that" [13:40] o_O [13:40] haha, yeah. for a while though it solved apt-get's craziness [13:40] apt-get vs apt SMACKDOWN [13:41] IT'S ON [13:41] so i'm guessing that eventually apt-get and apt-cache will be replaced by the apt command? [13:41] if it's by the same people? [13:42] I suppose [13:42] I wonder why the new name [13:42] diddledan: because apt-get/apt-cache is confusing [13:42] diddledan: yum, etc. all have it in one command [13:42] yeah i did like that with aptitude i didn't have to remember to append the correct suffix [13:51] I've always thought there should be an 'apt' commadn that just knows which subcommands are for apt-get and which for apt-cache and calls them respectively. This seems like rather a more complex solution to the same problem :) === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [13:57] Was a consensus reached on a release do in London? I've just marked-as-read about a billion lists emails... [14:23] MANCHESTER [14:24] Everyone who is anyone is in Manchester [14:24] we are? [14:24] I thought I was in Edinburgh. [14:24] I thought you MartijnVdS was in Holland... [14:25] (I'm in Leeds) [14:25] awilkins: amsterdam atm yes [14:29] Manchester? That's up near Enfield isn't it? [14:37] Harry? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:16] I'm in Manchester [15:29] I'm not \o/ [15:30] me neither, unless there was some serious seismic activity whilst I was asleep [15:35] thought my phone had been charging all day. cable had been knocked. its at 5% :( [15:36] foobarry: no playing tuxcart on your way home then? [15:36] :(# [15:38] * popey hugs his portable battery [15:42] * foobarry remembers his wife had the same phone [15:42] but doesn't use it anymore [15:43] but its at home :( === julianfoad is now known as julianfoad_ === julianfoad_ is now known as julianfoad [16:08] having "slack" at work, an IRC-alike for businesses, is a bad idea - I make too many risqué jokes [16:12] we have an irc-alike for business [16:12] we call it "irc" [16:12] yeah, it would be mucho simpler-o to get everyone on real-irc [16:13] plus it'ld let me have my irc window open while in the office without anyone suspecting I'm not doing real work [16:18] slack has some nifty things though. they've made it irc++ [16:27] hello === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:22] YES [17:22] my passport came [17:22] :D [17:26] visiting scotland soon mapps ? [17:27] pah [17:27] nie [17:27] Finland/Iceland/Budapest [17:27] on the next schedule [17:27] sorry, bad joke. [17:27] :D [17:27] =so why would i pay £15 for post office check and send..did it myself and it was fine? [17:27] what a ripoff [17:28] it would be a vlid joke, if scotland seperated, but still aplies now. [17:28] yop [17:28] and loads must pay i [17:28] i almost did..thinking maybe i dont summit wrong [17:29] but absolutely no need [17:29] what's the post office check and send? [17:29] they check your application check its all ok etc [17:29] and send it basically [17:30] o..k [17:30] ya [17:30] ripoff [17:30] passports are expensive enough without that rubbish [17:31] ya [17:31] think i paid 72 quid [17:31] that sounds about right [17:32] yea [17:32] i couldnt totally remember [17:39] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2604168/Woman-hated-34a-breasts-afford-boob-job-wish-come-true-STRANGERS-internet-funded-op.html [17:39] what a name [17:39] 'Gemini' gotta love it when chavs name kids [17:41] "We named her after her star sign" [17:42] so many young parents name their kids all kind of crazy things [17:42] whats wrong with the normal names [17:43] https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/html_tutorial/geolocate/geolocate3.html how close does that get using non gps? for me 72metres [17:43] and the streetview image is of my side wall! [17:43] with gps it gets to 10metres! [17:45] was just curious [17:45] invalid SSL cert [17:45] ya [17:45] because i generated it myself [17:45] and it isngt signed i think? [17:45] *isnt [17:47] anyone else getting cold calls from GFK "market research" [17:47] nope [17:47] i get cold calls but theyre more weird than that [17:47] i get calls to my andline pick it up..beep beep..noone there...so hang up [17:47] 1hr later same thing [17:48] so i just unplug my landline generally..i only use it for my adsl - but then i plug it back i and its ok for a month..then they start again lol [17:48] interrupted my dinner [17:48] i dont get what mine is? its literally beep beep [17:48] noone there..number withheld [17:48] you had that? [17:49] yep [17:49] that means there is no callcenter monkey to take the call [17:49] altough they called you [17:50] lol [17:50] really? [17:50] everuy time thats all i get [17:50] i got a call off orange asking if i wanted a 2nd contract or a tablet as one of their higher tarrif customers [17:50] like LOL [17:50] the autodialer keeps a pool of phones ringing so that there is always a call available for the next operator [17:50] i pay enough..pay 55 a month..i wanted unlimited data [17:51] ah [17:51] it's highly illegal to do that but they don't care [17:51] they are operating from outside the EU usually [17:51] yea and noone does anything about it..how can we? and the regulators are a joke anyway [17:51] but lol at orange [17:51] do i want to double my bills..why yes please [18:02] dwatkins: good to know! (re: the thinkbroadband graph) i found it very handy for proving packet loss to my ISP [18:03] yours looks pretty clean though :) other than 9am to 3pm 0o [18:03] I set mine up earlier http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/2b709c2c6943bd70c02de18acd959a66.html [18:04] pretty decent for what it's managed to capture thus far [18:04] :D [18:04] neat [18:05] i have a dynamic IP though so it's a pain to keep recreating [18:05] ergh [18:05] sucky [18:05] not sure if i shouldn't just disable it now, as they fixed my issue [18:05] * diddledan petpet his static [18:16] page up/down keys have been lost to the tomato soup :( [18:17] nooooo [18:17] oh, just page up [18:18] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co?ref=category [18:18] watching collectaholics with a guy who has 35000 star wars objects [18:18] these guys are nearly always men [18:18] getting close but possibly wont make it [18:18] and stragnely, nearly always married [18:36] lol [18:36] but that means nothing [18:36] there's plenty of pigs [18:36] horrific ugly fat women [18:36] :-| [18:36] r u drunk? [18:36] no? [18:36] just checking [18:37] you said strangely nearly always married [18:37] just saying..loads of awful women around [18:38] well they seem a lot more understanding than they should be [18:38] like the man who collects empty beer cans and displays them all over the house [18:38] plus a lot of women need to be with someone for confirmation they're doing ok..i see girls at work go from SUPER SERIOUS relationship to another [18:38] and its like just lol [18:38] yea i guess, but everyone has hobbies [18:39] 0o [18:39] it's the hoarders i can't stand [18:39] lol [18:39] hoarding i get..as stuff can be useful [18:39] but [18:39] i've started programs about them before but can't finish them [18:39] i just get annoyed :D [18:39] not when they're keeping like empty egg cartons lol [18:40] i dont like chucking stuff out..but i can still tell whats clearly rubbish:P [18:40] exactly :D [18:40] its shocking sometimes [18:40] like they clearly cant even move about the house [18:40] like i recycled a lot of PATA cables the other day 'cause that's now useless practically :> [18:40] foobarry you know what i mean? like anyone can get a women/girl if they want [18:40] hmm [18:41] id probaby have kept them [18:41] but thats me [18:41] how much exposure are you going to have to PATA equipment now though? :) [18:41] why is pistorius saying milady instead of m'lud [18:42] but what if daftykins [18:42] then il belike YES I GOTS THEM [18:42] and youll be all upset [18:42] well i kept a pair of them [18:42] :> [18:42] but i got rid of surplus [18:45] wifey visiting family. [18:46] got one evening spare to myself. time to fire up the airbrush [18:48] ah model time? [18:48] yep [18:48] finally got the guts to do a lnacaster [18:48] :D [18:52] airbrush? [18:53] foobarry does airfix style stuffs [19:08] a noble hobby [19:42] ah cool [19:42] im crap at anything like that [19:42] fat fingers:D [19:43] I break for ribbon cables! it's not unusual to lop the ends off though. [19:47] the launch isn't going ahead [19:47] next window friday [19:48] :-( [19:48] I wanted to see a rocket go flamey [19:48] are they launching shuttleworth again? [19:48] lol, no, spacex [19:49] ah [19:49] stuff in space [19:52] i thought you meant ubuntu for a bit [19:52] :> [19:53] shauno: break for them? hmm? [19:59] a bumper-sticker meme :/ [20:00] oooh brake [20:00] :> [20:01] ;) [20:02] I no good the english. looooong day :/ [20:02] not quite sure why i couldn't make that leap [20:03] it wasn't an intentional leap :| [20:03] naw, just surprised i didn't get it [20:04] I'm getting that a lot at the moment. did you know, if you use wpa-psx instead of wpa-psk, wifi doesn't "get it" either? [20:05] I can't type, I can't read, I can't follow instructions .. I think it's bedtime soon [20:05] daftykins: yeah, my ISP seems to concentrate mostly on businesses, which is fine for me as I'm not using it much during the day [20:06] i.e. they have mostly business customers, hence the daytime latency [20:15] bbc2 [20:15] storage space market is crazy [20:53] gah [20:53] living alone isa pain at times [20:53] take aways :< [20:53] min order £10 [20:53] :< [20:53] ive ordeered 2x my order before [20:53] but [20:53] its pretty grim cold [20:53] lol [21:21] how is this allowed..channel5 pick pockets and proud 34yr old criminal talking about pick pocketing..living in a council house paid for by us [21:22] surely the council could stop their benefits and the police could prosecute [21:28] I'm not sure things are that easy [21:28] well its on channel5 now and theyre shown pick pocketing..bragging about it [21:28] surely the council could act on it [21:29] just feels like a mockery that we're paying their benefits and they commit crimes against us all? [21:31] sure. but I have to wonder if making them homeless isn't a little disproportionate (and whether it'd discourage them, or just make them have to 'work harder') [21:31] well [21:31] surely we could prosecute based on the tv shhow get them off the streets [21:32] there's romanians shown to be bragging making money pickpocketing on the tube.stealing bags etc [21:33] sounds like a plan. luckily we don't pay for prisons ;) [21:33] well whats the solution [21:33] let them do whatever they want? [21:33] that's what I mean. not that easy [21:35] without sounding like well cant think of the word..you can tell what these lot are like a mile away [21:35] the way they dress/act/look etc