[00:23] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/Dv5VxDI.jpg
[00:23] <muzini> view from the highest point in the UK
[00:27] <daftykins> :O
[00:27] <daftykins> so there's some greenery left
[00:28] <muzini> plenty of it
[00:28] <muzini> from the top of Ben Nevis
[00:29] <daftykins> :D
[00:29] <shauno> can't be - not enough rain?!
[00:29] <daftykins> how long's the hike?
[00:30] <diddledan> daftykins: about 1.3km :-p
[00:30] <muzini> About 4 hours up and 3 hours down
[00:30] <diddledan> (straight up)
[00:32] <daftykins> :o
[00:32] <muzini> I've taken a radio up there
[00:32] <muzini> and I heard Iceland and French radio stations from the Pyrenees
[00:34] <daftykins> haha neat
[00:43] <muzini> yep
[00:43] <muzini> I'm planning a trip to Norway soon.
[00:43] <daftykins> something bigger to climb? ;)
[00:46] <shauno> try ireland!  nothing more than bumps to climb, but the radio reception is amazing
[00:47] <daftykins> :)
[00:50] <shauno> I found out recently that rte still operate atlantic 252's transmitter.  I had no idea it still existed
[00:56] <muzini> It was not bad reception for 1,000 miles away but whilst you're up at 4409FT the French Transmitter is one of the Highest in the world
[00:56] <muzini> at 10kft
[00:57] <muzini> and it pretty much covers ths south of France for coverage.
[00:57] <muzini> I was only hoping to hear the Faroe Islands but heard Icelandic instead.
[00:58] <shauno> curious, what band?
[00:59] <muzini> I've already tried Ireland before :D
[00:59] <daftykins> i was going to ask which band too
[01:10] <muzini> All the BBC nationals and classic
[01:10] <muzini> from blackhill, forth 1, cluyde 1, tay fm, kingdom f
[01:10] <muzini> beat 106, central fm
[01:11] <muzini> MFR, northsound west fm and borders
[01:11] <daftykins> so purely FM?
[01:14] <muzini> I only did FM DXing
[01:15] <diddledan> DXing?
[01:17] <muzini> stations search
[01:17] <muzini> http://imgur.com/a/MkGcP
[01:18] <muzini> here is a gallery of images from my trip to Ireland
[01:36] <shauno> I can't decide if I should queue another episode, or go to bed :/
[01:38] <daftykins> i'm going with bed
[01:39] <shauno> this is the sensible choice, since I should be up at 8.
[01:39] <shauno> but .. does "too lazy to go to bed" make any sense?
[01:39] <daftykins> yeah i'm always suffering from that one
[01:39] <daftykins> i felt tired at midnight but here i am ;/
[01:41] <muzini> whereabout are you?
[01:41] <shauno> I don't particularly feel tired, but I know if I keep putting it off it'll get light again
[01:42] <daftykins> muzini: Channel Islands
[01:42] <shauno> I'm on the atlantic coast of ireland
[01:43] <shauno> (I'm not sure why I always specify that, but basically, the bit that isn't dublin)
[01:43] <daftykins> :D
[01:43] <muzini> very nice
[01:43] <muzini> I visited Alderney few years ago
[01:43] <muzini> its a small island
[01:43] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/xFNtpMf.jpg
[01:44] <daftykins> that's the only one i've not been to properly
[01:44] <muzini> only about 2000 people.
[01:44] <muzini> Really nice beaches.
[01:45] <daftykins> :)
[01:45] <daftykins> i have some local stuff if you'd like
[01:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axo44ps02ut2586/ZxhE4_TsjS
[01:45] <muzini> its not very well known but its a 3wonderful island
[01:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4n77vp7rb9123a/MGPDBthSjg
[01:46] <daftykins> and last one https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov
[01:46] <daftykins> just a phone i'm afraid so no fancy quality
[01:46] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/IvFEgXC.jpg
[01:46] <muzini> this is what the town looks like
[01:46] <muzini> really lovely.
[01:46] <daftykins> :)
[01:47] <muzini> theres an old fort there as well
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/QrevKpL.jpg
[01:47] <daftykins> i've been on a connecting flight via there, but didn't see more than the secluded airport
[01:47] <daftykins> yeah my dad's quite into the island's fortifications from war time and so on
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/YHH4MIo.jpg
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/Q8rPB1Z.jpg
[01:48] <muzini> and yet another
[01:48] <daftykins> beautiful
[01:48] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/YKiWsN0.jpg
[01:48] <muzini> this one is from the top of one of the forts
[01:48] <muzini> they have lots of forts
[01:49] <daftykins> well, all our islands do
[01:49] <daftykins> the Germans put up tonnes of defenses during the occupation
[01:50] <peret> alo lads
[01:51] <daftykins> it's pretty quiet now mr.peret
[01:51] <daftykins> only those of us that refuse to go to sleep remain
[01:51] <daftykins> :>
[01:51] <peret> well yes
[01:51] <peret> everyone is asleep
[01:51] <peret> even the bloody city
[01:52] <muzini> I think these predate the german occupation by quite some time
[01:52] <shauno> I love "haven't been there properly".  I got the mental picture of just waking up there drunk one morning
[01:52] <daftykins> muzini: yeah they typically added onto them though
[01:53] <shauno> (I know what you mean though.  I spent 3 days in Atlanta airport.  I still can't decide if I've "been" to Georgia or not)
[01:53] <daftykins> lmao
[01:53] <daftykins> on our roadtrip we actually didn't stop in GA
[01:53] <daftykins> our guidebook said the best thing to see was the coca cola factory
[01:54] <daftykins> muzini: foetal alcohol syndrome is pretty serious on Alderney
[01:54] <muzini> was it worth it?
[01:54] <shauno> that's pretty optimistic.  I'd probably claim the best thing to see was the "welcome to tennesee" sign
[01:54] <daftykins> we didn't go :(
[01:56] <peret> daftykins: the guide was correct
[01:56] <daftykins> :D
[01:56] <shauno> I didn't particularly enjoy atlanta airport, because every morning security seemed to get a little more curious about me.  I got touched in ways you'd normally pay 50eur for
[01:56] <daftykins> oh dear
[01:56] <peret> atlanta airport is the 2nd biggest attraction
[01:56] <peret> this is according to futurama
[01:57] <daftykins> lmao
[02:00] <shauno> well here it is.  I'm going to bed because if I don't, I'll download GoT in the very near future and have a very rough morning at work tomorrow
[02:00] <daftykins> :)
[02:00] <daftykins> i'm heading off at last too
[02:00] <daftykins> g'night all
[02:00] <daftykins> have a good week o/
[02:00] <shauno> now or never really :)
[02:00] <shauno> o/
[04:52] <jussi> morning ladles and gentlespoons
[05:20] <nigelb> Morning jussi
[06:16] <mapps> morning
[06:16] <mapps> prob noone awake
[06:30] <jussi> mapps: Im awake, just busy :)
[06:34] <mapps> hey
[06:46] <mapps> so happy
[06:46] <mapps> we got an email about our bonus at work..way more than we expected
[06:46] <mapps> :D
[06:53] <shauno> that's always a good way to start the day :)
[06:53] <mapps> ya
[06:54] <mapps> 37.5%  bonus we expected 20-25
[06:54] <mapps> i was v surprised
[06:54] <mapps> and it makes a big diff
[06:54] <mapps> prob like 5k diff
[07:01] <jussi> mapps: nice!
[07:05] <mapps> yes
[07:05] <mapps> :D
[07:05] <mapps> we expected some 20-25
[07:05] <mapps> but i guess we did better than thought
[07:05] <jussi> mapps: so are you then going to buy us all a round? :F
[07:05] <mapps> although..that means the company made like 900mil profit lol
[07:06] <mapps> sure
[07:06] <mapps> if im ever somewhere you all are..il buy7:P
[07:06] <mapps> i was looking at going to Finland or maybe Poland jussi on the 3rd may
[07:06] <mapps> going to the United game.plane was to fly after
[07:06] <mapps> but cant find any evening flights:(
[07:06] <jussi> cool! come and have a drink with me!
[07:07] <jussi> mapps: from where?
[07:07] <mapps> ae you in helsinki?
[07:07] <jussi> yes
[07:07] <mapps> Manchester
[07:07] <mapps> games 3pm
[07:07] <mapps> i cant fly before 7pm
[07:07] <jussi> well almost... in helsinki
[07:07] <jussi> (about 50km out)
[07:07] <mapps> like game finished 5pm..we'd hav to get to airport..and check in and stuff
[07:07] <jussi> there are no flights after 18:30
[07:07] <mapps> so plan was fly after united game and go to somewhee in EU
[07:07] <mapps> yea
[07:07] <mapps> i couldnt find ANY EU after 18;00?
[07:08] <mapps> is it same for all eu?
[07:08] <jussi> check in you can do before the game. only take hand luggage and you will be fine.
[07:08] <mapps> i only ever take hand luggage
[07:08] <mapps> still
[07:08] <mapps> game finishs at 5
[07:08] <mapps> what time6?
[07:08] <jussi> when would you come back?
[07:08] <shauno> ignore the football nonsense and you can make a much more effective use of the trip :)
[07:09] <mapps> well
[07:09] <mapps> on the 6th
[07:09] <mapps> we got another united game
[07:09] <mapps> so 3/4/56 we fly back
[07:09] <mapps> then fly off again
[07:09] <jussi> argh, they changed it - last finnair out of manchester is at 17:50. probably too soon for you...
[07:10] <mapps> sheesh
[07:10] <mapps> i dont think i could make it
[07:10] <mapps> 3pm kick off
[07:10] <mapps> na no way
[07:10] <shauno> airport bars don't have TVs?
[07:10] <jussi> yeah, 18:30 would have been fine. lemme check some others
[07:10] <jussi> shauno: he is going to the game...
[07:10] <mapps> it says 15mins from old trafford -> manchester airport
[07:11] <mapps> 18;30 is earliest
[07:11] <mapps> and yea il only have hold luggage
[07:11] <mapps> so i can check in at home on internet.but coming from manchester
[07:12] <jussi> ooh, theres one at 18:20...
[07:12] <mapps> on when?
[07:12] <jussi> you get in rather late to helsinki, but that shouldnt be a major problem...
[07:12] <mapps> na
[07:12] <mapps> thats fine
[07:13] <jussi> its a Lufhansa flight, via frankfurt. on the 3rd may
[07:13] <mapps> gives us 4/5 and 6 8pm ko
[07:13] <mapps> ah
[07:13] <mapps> how long total?
[07:13] <mapps> and sometimes these via flights are well expensive
[07:13] <jussi> you get in just before midnight UK time (1:45 am Helsinki time)
[07:13] <mapps> i saw some like 200 quid 12hs when its like 2hrs nomallyt and 40quid
[07:13] <mapps> yea thats fine for me
[07:13] <mapps> how much though
[07:14] <jussi> about a 1 hour stopover
[07:14] <jussi> 290,33 €
[07:14] <mapps> sheesh
[07:14] <mapps> 7see
[07:14] <mapps> thts expensive
[07:14] <jussi> really?
[07:14] <mapps> yea
[07:14] <mapps> look at next day
[07:14] <jussi> I thought that was pretty normal :P
[07:14] <mapps> we can get return and hotel for like 400 euro
[07:15] <jussi> in helsinki or poland?
[07:15] <mapps> helsinki
[07:15] <mapps> sec
[07:15] <mapps> all desperate for our GREAT british pounds
[07:15] <mapps> ;p
[07:16] <mapps> http://www.expedia.co.uk/Helsinki-Hotels-Hotel-Haven.h2233290.Hotel-Information?packagePIID=53d29057-490b-4f35-a932-17de286326ce-1&usePS=1&packageType=fh&hotelId=2233290&currentRatePlan=402140200826229&packageType=fh&hlrId=0&defaultFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&originId=6000390&ftla=MAN&numberOfRooms=1&ttla=HEL&toDate=06/05/2014&infantsInSeats=1&
[07:16] <mapps> fromDate=03/05/2014&destinationId=178261&adultsPerRoom[1]=2&currentFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&hashTag=picturesAndTours&inttkn=1wWjt7TRXte9d212
[07:16] <mapps> fs
[07:16] <mapps> http://goo.gl/DiaaHC
[07:16] <mapps> check that
[07:17] <mapps> 623 euros flight and hotel and 5*
[07:17] <mapps> that near centre?
[07:17] <jussi> yeah, I know that hotel. right in the centre of Helsinki. pretty nice place
[07:18] <mapps> so see
[07:18] <mapps> 293 are expensive
[07:18] <mapps> that are 623 flight return and hotel
[07:18] <mapps> :D
[07:19] <mapps> i dont mind going to finland though..if my friend does too
[07:19] <mapps> its euros yea?
[07:19] <jussi> yes
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> .fi is euro country
[07:19] <mapps> ive got some euros from holland left
[07:19] <mapps> :)
[07:19] <mapps> yea
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> mapps: You'll need Finnish Euros though
[07:19] <mapps> but so is .cz MartijnVdS i thought
[07:20] <mapps> and they use czech kroner
[07:20] <mapps> what?? .fi euros? youre joking?:D
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> .cz is EU, but not Euro (like UK, Denmark, and a few others)
[07:20] <mapps> euros are the same everywhere?
[07:20] <mapps> yea
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> mapps: they are, I'm just kidding ;)
[07:20] <mapps> *phew*
[07:20] <mapps> :D
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> mapps: When euros were new, I convinced a few friends that their German euros wouldn't work in .nl though
[07:21] <mapps> you been to finland MartijnVdS?
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I have not
[07:21] <mapps> i think its ok
[07:21] <mapps> we never hear of any troubles
[07:21] <mapps> or anything
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> from Finland?
[07:21] <mapps> yea
[07:21] <shauno> finnish euros are the same as everyone else's euros, except you can't pronounce them :(
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> They're a quiet people
[07:21] <directhex> also drunk
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> except if you're Russian.
[07:22] <mapps> they like russian
[07:22] <mapps> hm
[07:22] <mapps> im not
[07:22] <jussi> mapps: 345€ for 5* hotel (Hilton) + 293€ for flights = 638
[07:22] <mapps> jussi
[07:22] <mapps> look for 4 may
[07:22] <mapps> whens earliest flight from manchester then
[07:23] <mapps> gotta see the footie so il stay out in manchester all night then fly
[07:23] <shauno> I tried that for a concert.  turns out the train station gets kinda cold in november :/
[07:24] <shauno> that's now my primary memory of manchester.  an awkward night spent dressed in leather in the train station.  ahem.
[07:24] <jussi> mapps: seems your deal is best for 4th of may. only gives me damn expensive prices here (10:20 seems earliest flight that I see)
[07:25] <mapps> hm
[07:25] <mapps> lets see]
[07:25] <jussi> but you should also look at hilton for 5* - seems minorly cheaper
[07:25] <mapps> sheesh
[07:26] <mapps> im not a snob jussi
[07:26] <mapps> 4* is fine;p
[07:26] <jussi> mapps: then you will get a much better deal than Haven
[07:26] <mapps> ah
[07:26] <jussi> Service in helsinki is expensive
[07:27] <jussi> mapps: what kind of holiday are you after?  a city break?
[07:27] <mapps> yes
[07:27] <mapps> like when i went cz
[07:27] <mapps> and holland
[07:27] <jussi> sec
[07:27] <mapps> wanna be central
[07:27] <mapps> jussi http://goo.gl/rfamNP ??
[07:28] <jussi> thats a fair way from the centre...
[07:28] <mapps> says 2mies from airport
[07:28] <mapps> ah
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> jussi: cabs!
[07:28] <jussi> airport is ~20km from the centre
[07:28] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you ever been in a helsinki cab?
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> jussi: I've never been to Helsikni
[07:29] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, it shows :P
[07:29] <mapps> jussi http://goo.gl/sVqkCf
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> jussi: are they like Amsterdam cabs?
[07:29] <jussi> MartijnVdS: no idea. but they are friggin expensive
[07:30] <shauno> I tend to avoid cabs most places.  they all seem to turn into clandestine tour operators
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Amsterdam cabs are expensive and the drivers are maniacs
[07:30] <jussi> MartijnVdS: just think that the airport is kinda like going to stansted
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> every so often, there's a big fight among them
[07:30] <jussi> mapps: do you like something a little "different" ? :D
[07:31] <mapps> hm depends ow diffeent
[07:31] <mapps> how
[07:31] <jussi> "In a 1900s Art Nouveau castle, just under half a mile from central Helsinki, this hotel features free in-room Wi-Fi. Aleksanterin Teatteri Tram Stop is 260 yards away."
[07:31] <mapps> i like a bed not tent..ive done festivals;p
[07:31] <mapps> ah cool
[07:31] <mapps> is it on expedia?
[07:31] <jussi> dunno, on booking.com
[07:31] <jussi> Glo Hotel Ar
[07:32] <jussi> t
[07:32] <mapps> that sounds cool
[07:32] <mapps> i just use expedia as hey do flight ad everything for me
[07:32] <mapps> asier;p
[07:32] <mapps> lol
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> booking is great (to use); I've heard from several hotel owners that they're a bit sucky :)
[07:32] <mapps> heh
[07:33]  * jussi goes back to work
[07:34] <mapps> :D
[07:34] <shauno> I gotta admit I've started using booking.com for comparisons, and then actually booking through the hotel
[07:34] <mapps> why
[07:34] <directhex> i use hipmunk for flights
[07:34] <directhex> i like its "agony" scoring
[07:34] <mapps> going to cz in 3 weeks again
[07:35] <mapps> cheap beer cheap cigs
[07:35] <mapps> :D
[07:35] <shauno> there seems to be a split between how hotels treat 'their' guests vs booking's guests
[07:35] <mapps> ah
[07:36] <shauno> not huge differences, just things like who gets the room with the view, etc.  or in some cases, whether it counts towards their loyalty programs, and blah blah blah
[07:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Look Up at the Sky Day! :-D
[07:38] <mapps> hey JamesTait
[07:38] <mapps> morning mate
[07:39] <JamesTait> Morning mapps! o/
[08:18] <diddledan> yawnage!
[08:28] <diddledan> 4 days?
[08:28] <diddledan> amirite?
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/useing-youre-types-good
[08:34] <diddledan> eek
[08:34] <bashrc> morning
[08:34] <diddledan> mornign
[08:35] <bashrc> is anyone on pump.io ?
[08:35]  * diddledan pumps
[08:35] <diddledan> I've not really looked into it yet
[08:39] <scott_deagan> Hey folks. No 14.04 release party in London this year?
[08:40] <directhex> 14.04 release party is on the moon. BYOB.
[08:40] <diddledan> bring your own bomb?
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> bring your own bits?
[08:44] <mapp> yo
[08:45] <directhex> bring your own base. can't have a party on the moon without a decent moon base.
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but all your base are belong to us.
[08:46] <mapp> going back to tottenham next week
[08:46] <mapp> :D
[08:46] <mapp> spurs v fullham
[08:46] <scott_deagan> :D
[08:46] <mapp> should be good
[08:46] <directhex> you could use the nazi moon base, but it needs some tidying first
[08:47] <Laney> pumpio pumpio PUMP I OOOOOOOOOOO
[08:52] <mapp> hmm
[08:52] <mapp> slightly worried
[08:53] <diddledan> what was the name of their ship?
[08:53] <mapp> i accidently skipped a taxi
[08:54] <mapp> i didnt have any money/know where it was - woke up on the train euston -> stoke7but
[08:54] <mapp> ive got a feeling i got a taxi and said i had no money but woukd pay
[08:54] <mapp> cant remember
[08:54] <diddledan> oh dear, that's not good
[08:56] <mapp> yea
[08:57] <foobarry> mapp: my train stops at white hart lane on my way home
[08:57] <mapp> we'd been having such a good time at WHL
[08:57] <mapp> :D
[08:57] <mapp> foobarry
[08:57] <mapp> where you at?
[08:57] <foobarry> on match days we get loads of overweight chavs ont he train
[08:57] <foobarry> enfield, i'm an arsenal supporter
[08:57] <mapp> ah no
[08:57] <foobarry> had a season ticket for many years until couple of seasons ago (kids)
[08:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:00] <mapp> you live in a flat or house foobarry?
[09:00] <mapp> just isnt most of london flats?
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <mapp> and like 2 bed flats : 6
[09:00] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:01] <foobarry> surburbia is not flats
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:01] <foobarry> it is trees and houses
[09:01] <mapp> ah
[09:02] <mapp> so you got a house garden etc?
[09:02] <mapp> nice
[09:02] <foobarry> yes
[09:02] <mapp> how much u pay a month mate if i can ask
[09:02] <mapp> all i could find was like 1500-1700
[09:02] <foobarry> i own it, i've never rented
[09:02] <mapp> looking at e +c
[09:02] <mapp> oh
[09:02] <mapp> you're a lot older than me i guess :)
[09:02] <foobarry> but i know of lots of friends in enf who rent
[09:03] <foobarry> i bought my first house @ 25
[09:03] <foobarry> but it was 65k \o/
[09:03] <mapp> is it not like 1500=1700 there?7
[09:03] <mapp> its iduclous eveywhere now
[09:03] <foobarry> i don't think my friends could afford 1500pm
[09:03] <mapp> seriously mate
[09:03] <mapp> look at the rents
[09:03] <mapp> its like 1500=2000 in almost all of london
[09:04] <foobarry> you can get a quite  nice maisonette in gordon hill for 1050pm
[09:04] <directhex> that's because russian minerals oligarchs own all the houses
[09:04] <brobostigon> my pebble lasted 6 days before hitting 20% charge, very happy with that.
[09:04] <foobarry> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/32216602
[09:04] <mapp> thas not too bad
[09:04] <mapp> but
[09:04] <mapp> 1050 for 1 is still a bit
[09:04] <foobarry> they are nice inside
[09:05] <foobarry> 2 large bedrooms
[09:05] <mapp> yea
[09:05] <mapp> but 1050 for 1 is still quite a bit
[09:05] <mapp> i could *just* manage
[09:05] <foobarry> you can get a lodger
[09:05] <mapp> pfff
[09:05] <mapp> :D
[09:05] <foobarry> its like a house inside
[09:05] <foobarry> i owned the one a few doors up
[09:05] <mapp> im trying to move to e+c
[09:05] <foobarry> whats e+c
[09:05] <mapp> but i dont think i can afford to
[09:06] <mapp> elephant and castle
[09:06] <foobarry> eww
[09:06] <mapp> lol
[09:06] <foobarry> dude, try there at night
[09:06] <foobarry> its dangerous
[09:06] <mapp> ive been there many times;p
[09:06] <foobarry> i feared for my life
[09:06] <mapp> been to ministy of sound
[09:06] <foobarry> and i live near edmonton
[09:06] <mapp> i guess im different
[09:07] <foobarry> still doing heartbleed updates :(
[09:07] <foobarry> for internal servers not managed centrally
[09:07] <mapp> im 6`2 19 stone..so usually get left alone:D
[09:07] <mapp> like at the spurs match
[09:07] <mapp> lol
[09:07] <mapp> the seats ae a joke
[09:07] <mapp> im rubbing shoulders and legs with the guy next to me
[09:10] <foobarry> especially in winter couats
[09:10] <mapp> its rubbish
[09:10] <mapp> :(
[09:10] <mapp> was gonna say summit else then realise itd this chan
[09:10] <mapp> you been bell and hare in tottenham foobarry?
[09:11] <foobarry> nope
[09:11] <foobarry> i avoid tottenham :D
[09:11] <mapp> oh
[09:11] <mapp> :P
[09:11] <mapp> na
[09:11] <mapp> its fine
[09:11] <foobarry> i'm arsenal fan
[09:11] <mapp> ah
[09:11] <mapp> well i went other day was ok
[09:11] <popey> pip pip
[09:11] <foobarry> so i'm against everything tottenham. years of indoctrination
[09:12] <foobarry> althogh i went to the aldi in bruce grove once
[09:12] <foobarry> my son needed a wee and no shops had toilets
[09:12] <mapp> tottenham isnt too bad
[09:13] <mapp> i spent hours in that pub
[09:13] <mapp> AND im fucking from surrey ..i sound as posh and soft as they come;p
[09:13] <mapp> was speaking to some big black guy like60year old he eben took the piss outta my accent lol
[09:13] <foobarry> hmm my cronjob is not running.
[09:14] <directhex> when did 3.5" disks get thinner?
[09:15] <diddledan> o_O
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> they did?
[09:18] <directhex> my sshd is about 0.5cm thinner than the spinpoint it replaced
[09:25] <MnemonicCarrier> Greetings and salutations.
[09:27] <MnemonicCarrier> Hast thou a 14.04 release party for me and me maties?
[09:28] <diddledan> yaarrrr
[09:29] <diddledan> there was talk of one at canonical hq
[09:29] <scott_deagan> I asked earlier, apparently there's one on the moon, but you have to bring your own base.
[09:29] <diddledan> but I not sure what the outcome of the discussions was
[09:29] <scott_deagan> diddledan: that would be cool.
[09:29] <MooDoo> thought popey was creating the event?
[09:35] <dwatkins> fun times with certificate problems after heartbleed
[09:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: bain of my fricken existance.
[09:37] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I can imagine - some certs for additional sites used in a product I support weren't updated - all hail the javascript console for showing me this information
[09:39] <MooDoo> pick a nick will ya ;)
[09:43] <mapp> yrgh
[09:43] <mapp> how much do i sponsor someone at work
[09:43] <foobarry> what for?
[09:43] <foobarry> marathon?
[09:43] <mapp> £50?
[09:43] <foobarry> or eating donuts
[09:43] <mapp> na
[09:43] <mapp> hes running some thing..for his kids.he had 2 kids that died and he has  fom another girl
[09:44] <mapp> bit like
[09:44] <mapp> i hate sponsors
[09:44] <mapp> hate feeling like i need to pay people
[09:44] <foobarry> give waht you would be happy with
[09:44] <foobarry> giving grudgingly is hardly worth doing :D
[09:45] <mapp> to me its lke
[09:45] <mapp> ya
[09:45] <mapp> but iike it just fees annoying always being asked for momey for someones new charity raise
[09:45] <foobarry> reminds me i need to sponsor a martahon friend
[09:46] <mapp> mmy cousin run the marathon
[09:46] <mapp> she lives in you knows caulsdon?
[09:46] <mapp> in croydon
[09:46] <foobarry> cauldron?
[09:46] <mapp> gah
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> mapp: time for a new keyboard? :)
[09:47] <mapp> Coulsdon
[09:47] <mapp> Coulsdon is a settlement at the south of the London Borough of Croydon, lying between approximately 12.5 and 13 miles from Charing Cross. Wikipedia
[09:47] <mapp> Weather: 13°C, Wind NE at 3 mph (5 km/
[09:47] <mapp> :P
[09:47] <foobarry> "settlement"
[09:47] <mapp> so i said o instead if a
[09:47] <foobarry> sounds like some sort of peasant dwelling
[09:47] <mapp> ]yea
[09:47] <mapp> LOL
[09:47] <mapp> no
[09:47] <foobarry> like in stronghold
[09:47] <foobarry> throw burning oil on them
[09:47] <mapp> couldson is nicer tha croydon
[09:47] <mapp> have u been to croydon
[09:47] <mapp> its a dump
[09:48] <mapp> definitely not gypsies
[09:48] <mapp> my uncle was  DCI in the MET before he retired
[09:48] <mapp> :)
[09:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:55] <bigcalm> SSH tunnels - am I doing this right?
[09:55] <Dave2> who knows
[09:56] <bigcalm> There is a MS SQL server I need to connect to from a local windows machine. The MS SQL server is not publicly accessible. It is accessible via a Linux server I have a login on
[09:57] <dwatkins> are you using -L or -R, bigcalm?
[09:57] <bigcalm> ssh -L 1433:firewalled.off.server.com:1433 publicly.accessible.server.com -N
[09:57] <bigcalm> I can do telnet localhost 1433 and it connects to something
[09:58] <dwatkins> looks right based on my own alias for redirecting from a public server, can the machine you're sshing to resolve the name of the firewalled-off server, bigcalm?
[09:58] <bigcalm> But I can't connect MS SQL Server Management Studio to my machine
[09:58] <diddledan> "something" :-D
[09:59] <bigcalm> dwatkins: I'm using a 10.x.x.x IP address
[09:59] <dwatkins> can the ssh server connect itself to the SQL port if you login to it and telnet from it?
[10:00] <bigcalm> $ telnet 10.176.199.42 1433
[10:00] <bigcalm> Trying 10.176.199.42...
[10:00] <bigcalm> Connected to 10.176.199.42.
[10:00] <bigcalm> Escape character is '^]'.
[10:00] <dwatkins> also, ssh -vv (or -vvv) might be useful)
[10:01] <bigcalm> That was useful
[10:01] <bigcalm> I can telnet localhost 1433 and it connects
[10:02] <bigcalm> From another linux machine here, I try telnet 192.168.1.4 1433 and it says connection refused
[10:02] <bigcalm> 192.168.1.4 is the machine I'm running the redirect on
[10:03] <bigcalm> So it's allowing connections from localhost but not from elsewhere on my LAN
[10:05] <bigcalm> Anybody with thoughts?
[10:06] <bigcalm> Can I set up a tunnel from the local windows machine?
[10:07] <dwatkins> do you mean that the machine you're setting up the redirection from isn't allowing external machines to use the redirected port? that's an option in the ssh config
[10:07] <dwatkins> http://www.snailbook.com/faq/gatewayports.auto.html
[10:07] <bigcalm> dwatkins: correct
[10:08] <bigcalm> Woooooooo
[10:08] <bigcalm> -g fixes it!
[10:09] <dwatkins> :D
[10:09] <bigcalm> Thanks dwatkins :)
[10:09] <dwatkins> you're welcome, happy to be of help :)
[10:09]  * bigcalm tries not to wreck the client's live database
[10:12] <dwatkins> I assume they do backups...
[10:12] <diddledan> dwatkins: that's a crazy idea!
[10:14] <dwatkins> I know, right?
[10:20] <treb0r> Hi Chaps, any launch parties planned for trusty in or around Manchester / Liverpool / Leeds?
[10:27] <foobarry> who has redmine set up for version control?
[10:27] <popey> treb0r: if not then feel free to set one up
[10:33] <treb0r> popey: might be a bit short notice now. But I really do want to get more involved with Ubuntu Uk and do this kind of thing in the future.
[10:33] <treb0r> I've seen the light (again)
[10:34] <denni____> What would be a good place to buy cheap dinner plates, drinking glasses in the UK? I feel things are quite expensive here in London.
[10:34] <popey> denni____: pound shop
[10:34] <denni____> ah, good point, there are many pound shops right?
[10:34] <popey> or any supermarket
[10:35] <denni____> like 99p shop is one?
[10:35] <popey> yes, every high street has one
[10:35] <denni____> 97p shop etc.
[10:35] <MooDoo> treb0r: if you do set one up or in the future set one up for manchester then i'm only an hour or 2 away from you.
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> IKEA?
[10:36] <denni____> IKEA good idea too, I'm a bit far unfortunately.
[10:37] <denni____> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00133123/ - great price,
[10:37] <popey> they deliver now iirc
[10:37] <denni____> I'll definitely also check the 99p shopsa, argos cheapest is 1.50 each, but I want to buy 10, a lot of things
[10:38] <popey> you can get a dinner set in most supermarkets
[10:38] <popey> everything in a box - usually 4 of each or 6 of each
[12:20] <dwatkins> daftykins: thanks for sharing the link to the ThinkBroadband graph, it's quite interesting to see how well mine is working: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/91564c510e3f9da30e764b06a81e49e0.html
[13:01] <ali1234> chrome really sucks
[13:01] <ali1234> it's the new IE
[13:01] <ali1234> i have to put workarounds because the rendering engine is so terrible
[13:02] <ali1234> not only is it broken in both android and desktop version, it is also broken in different ways
[13:09] <BigRedS> is there an Android Chrome that's different to Android's default browser?
[13:09] <ali1234> yes
[13:09] <ali1234> and it is also different to chrome for desktop
[13:09] <BigRedS> oh, why?
[13:09] <BigRedS> I mean, different on desktop I can understand
[13:10] <bigcalm> Because nobody likes consistency
[13:10] <BigRedS> but two mobile browsers?
[13:10] <ali1234> android chrome is for tablets
[13:10] <ali1234> android browser is for phones
[13:11] <ali1234> here is a page which utterly fails in chrome for android http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1
[13:11] <ali1234> http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1/edit for source code
[13:12] <ali1234> compare with firefox to see how it is supposed to look
[13:12] <diddledan> no, android chrome is replacement for android browser
[13:12] <ali1234> it kind of works in chrome for desktop, but not quite
[13:12] <diddledan> the two aren't meant to coexist
[13:12] <ali1234> diddledan: android chrome is unusable on a small screen
[13:12] <diddledan> I've never had a problem
[13:13] <ali1234> you probably never used a small screen
[13:13] <ali1234> i'm talking about 800x480 and so on
[13:15] <directhex> android 4.4 no longer offers an up-to-date widget for embedding web browsers
[13:15] <directhex> as used by the standard browser app
[13:15] <directhex> gotta use chrome
[13:15] <directhex> or bake your own browser
[13:21] <aaronr> Anyone here running 14.04 yet?
[13:23] <czajkowski> me
[13:23] <czajkowski> been running it for the last 3 months
[13:24] <aaronr> i notice ia32-libs isn't around anymore, is there a new metapackage for installing that the 32-bit compat stuff?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: no. You can just install the required 32-bit libraries separately. It's called "multiarch"
[13:25] <aaronr> specifically I need libsm6:i386 but that doesn't seem to exist. libsm6 has both 64-bit and 32-bit versions though according to launchpad
[13:26] <aaronr> prelaunch bug maybe? or am i going about this in the wrong way?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: works fine here, did you 'apt-get update'?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: can you do:
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> dpkg --print-architecture
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> and:
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[13:28] <BigRedS> you have to add the arch first don't you?
[13:28] <aaronr> yeah ran aptitude update about 20 mins ago, so should be pretty recent
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Maybe on upgrade? I didn't need to by default
[13:28] <aaronr> running those dpkg comands
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: also, what's the message you get when you run 'apt-cache policy libsm6:i386' ?
[13:30] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, perhaps. I'm sure I had to do it before, but only on older distros
[13:30] <aaronr> hm, no foreign architectures. guessing that's the problem. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/424a4782e93df3aac534
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: in that case, dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> (also don't use aptitude please)
[13:32] <aaronr> ... and now it knows about libsm6:i386 :) thanks!
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> np!
[13:33] <aaronr> aptitude is now bad-form?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> yeah, its dependency resolution/conflict resolution is worse than apt's own now
[13:33] <aaronr> oh wow. that's the entire reason i used it over apt-get :/
[13:34] <aaronr> which release did that get worse with? (something since 12.04 i'm guessing?)
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: It didn't really get worse, just apt-get got better ;)
[13:35] <aaronr> ahh okay
[13:36] <aaronr> also i read a couple days ago that there's an apt command in addition to apt-get/apt-cache... which is the preferred one to be using in 14.04 land?
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> ooh
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> that's new to me
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> it looks like that merges apt-get+apt-cache
[13:38] <aaronr> it seems to, but from what i read at first it's kinda aptitude-like in that it does things its own way? will find the omgubuntu link, one sec
[13:38] <aaronr> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/how-to-enable-apt-terminal-progress-bar
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: except it's written by the apt maintainers :)
[13:40] <BigRedS> aptitude used to be hilarious. "aptitude install postfix" "okay, but I'll need to remove Apache2 and vim, and install xemacs to do that"
[13:40] <diddledan> o_O
[13:40] <aaronr> haha, yeah. for a while though it solved apt-get's craziness
[13:40] <diddledan> apt-get vs apt SMACKDOWN
[13:41] <aaronr> IT'S ON
[13:41] <aaronr> so i'm guessing that eventually apt-get and apt-cache will be replaced by the apt command?
[13:41] <aaronr> if it's by the same people?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> I suppose
[13:42] <diddledan> I wonder why the new name
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: because apt-get/apt-cache is confusing
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yum, etc. all have it in one command
[13:42] <aaronr> yeah i did like that with aptitude i didn't have to remember to append the correct suffix
[13:51] <BigRedS> I've always thought there should be an 'apt' commadn that just knows which subcommands are for apt-get and which for apt-cache and calls them respectively. This seems like rather a more complex solution to the same problem :)
[13:57] <BigRedS> Was a consensus reached on a release do in London? I've just marked-as-read about a billion lists emails...
[14:23] <awilkins> MANCHESTER
[14:24] <awilkins> Everyone who is anyone is in Manchester
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> we are?
[14:24] <dwatkins> I thought I was in Edinburgh.
[14:24] <awilkins> I thought you MartijnVdS was in Holland...
[14:25] <awilkins> (I'm in Leeds)
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: amsterdam atm yes
[14:29] <BigRedS> Manchester? That's up near Enfield isn't it?
[14:37] <bigcalm> Harry?
[15:16] <bashrc> I'm in Manchester
[15:29] <Seeker`> I'm not \o/
[15:30] <dwatkins> me neither, unless there was some serious seismic activity whilst I was asleep
[15:35] <foobarry> thought my phone had been charging all day. cable had been knocked. its at 5% :(
[15:36] <diddledan> foobarry: no playing tuxcart on your way home then?
[15:36] <foobarry> :(#
[15:38]  * popey hugs his portable battery
[15:42]  * foobarry remembers his wife had the same phone
[15:42] <foobarry> but doesn't use it anymore
[15:43] <foobarry> but its at home :(
[16:08] <diddledan> having "slack" at work, an IRC-alike for businesses, is a bad idea - I make too many risqué jokes
[16:12] <directhex> we have an irc-alike for business
[16:12] <directhex> we call it "irc"
[16:12] <diddledan> yeah, it would be mucho simpler-o to get everyone on real-irc
[16:13] <diddledan> plus it'ld let me have my irc window open while in the office without anyone suspecting I'm not doing real work
[16:18] <diddledan> slack has some nifty things though. they've made it irc++
[16:27] <peret> hello
[17:22] <mapps> YES
[17:22] <mapps> my passport came
[17:22] <mapps> :D
[17:26] <brobostigon> visiting scotland soon mapps ?
[17:27] <mapps> pah
[17:27] <mapps> nie
[17:27] <mapps> Finland/Iceland/Budapest
[17:27] <mapps> on the next schedule
[17:27] <brobostigon> sorry, bad joke.
[17:27] <mapps> :D
[17:27] <mapps> =so why would i pay £15 for post office check and send..did it myself and it was fine?
[17:27] <mapps> what a ripoff
[17:28] <brobostigon> it would be a vlid joke, if scotland seperated, but still aplies now.
[17:28] <brobostigon> yop
[17:28] <mapps> and loads must pay i
[17:28] <mapps> i almost did..thinking maybe i dont summit wrong
[17:29] <mapps> but absolutely no need
[17:29] <diddledan> what's the post office check and send?
[17:29] <mapps> they check your application check its all ok etc
[17:29] <mapps> and send it basically
[17:30] <diddledan> o..k
[17:30] <mapps> ya
[17:30] <mapps> ripoff
[17:30] <diddledan> passports are expensive enough without that rubbish
[17:31] <mapps> ya
[17:31] <mapps> think i paid 72 quid
[17:31] <diddledan> that sounds about right
[17:32] <mapps> yea
[17:32] <mapps> i couldnt totally remember
[17:39] <mapps> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2604168/Woman-hated-34a-breasts-afford-boob-job-wish-come-true-STRANGERS-internet-funded-op.html
[17:39] <mapps> what a name
[17:39] <mapps> 'Gemini' gotta love it when chavs name kids
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> "We named her after her star sign"
[17:42] <mapps> so many young parents name their kids all kind of crazy things
[17:42] <mapps> whats wrong with the normal names
[17:43] <mapps> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/html_tutorial/geolocate/geolocate3.html how close does that get using non gps? for me 72metres
[17:43] <mapps> and the streetview image is of my side wall!
[17:43] <mapps> with gps it gets to 10metres!
[17:45] <mapps> was just curious
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> invalid SSL cert
[17:45] <mapps> ya
[17:45] <mapps> because i generated it myself
[17:45] <mapps> and it isngt signed i think?
[17:45] <mapps> *isnt
[17:47] <foobarry> anyone else getting  cold  calls from GFK "market research"
[17:47] <mapps> nope
[17:47] <mapps> i get cold calls but theyre more weird than that
[17:47] <mapps> i get calls to my andline pick it up..beep beep..noone there...so hang up
[17:47] <mapps> 1hr later same thing
[17:48] <mapps> so i just unplug my landline generally..i only use it for my adsl - but then i plug it back i and its ok for a month..then they start again lol
[17:48] <foobarry> interrupted my dinner
[17:48] <mapps> i dont get what mine is? its literally beep beep
[17:48] <mapps> noone there..number withheld
[17:48] <mapps> you had that?
[17:49] <foobarry> yep
[17:49] <foobarry> that means there is no callcenter monkey to take the call
[17:49] <foobarry> altough they called you
[17:50] <mapps> lol
[17:50] <mapps> really?
[17:50] <mapps> everuy time thats all i get
[17:50] <mapps> i got a call off orange asking if i wanted a 2nd contract or a tablet as one of their higher tarrif customers
[17:50] <mapps> like LOL
[17:50] <ali1234> the autodialer keeps a pool of phones ringing so that there is always a call available for the next operator
[17:50] <mapps> i pay enough..pay 55 a month..i wanted unlimited data
[17:51] <mapps> ah
[17:51] <ali1234> it's highly illegal to do that but they don't care
[17:51] <ali1234> they are operating from outside the EU usually
[17:51] <mapps> yea and noone does anything about it..how can we? and the regulators are a joke anyway
[17:51] <mapps> but lol at orange
[17:51] <mapps> do i want to double my bills..why yes please
[18:02] <daftykins> dwatkins: good to know! (re: the thinkbroadband graph) i found it very handy for proving packet loss to my ISP
[18:03] <daftykins> yours looks pretty clean though :) other than 9am to 3pm 0o
[18:03] <diddledan> I set mine up earlier http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/2b709c2c6943bd70c02de18acd959a66.html
[18:04] <diddledan> pretty decent for what it's managed to capture thus far
[18:04] <daftykins> :D
[18:04] <daftykins> neat
[18:05] <daftykins> i have a dynamic IP though so it's a pain to keep recreating
[18:05] <diddledan> ergh
[18:05] <diddledan> sucky
[18:05] <daftykins> not sure if i shouldn't just disable it now, as they fixed my issue
[18:05]  * diddledan petpet his static
[18:16] <foobarry> page up/down keys have been lost to the tomato soup :(
[18:17] <daftykins> nooooo
[18:17] <foobarry> oh, just page up
[18:18] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co?ref=category
[18:18] <foobarry> watching collectaholics with a guy who has 35000 star wars objects
[18:18] <foobarry> these guys are nearly always men
[18:18] <popey> getting close but possibly wont make it
[18:18] <foobarry> and stragnely, nearly always married
[18:36] <mapps> lol
[18:36] <mapps> but that means nothing
[18:36] <mapps> there's plenty of pigs
[18:36] <mapps> horrific ugly fat women
[18:36] <foobarry> :-|
[18:36] <foobarry> r u drunk?
[18:36] <mapps> no?
[18:36] <foobarry> just checking
[18:37] <mapps> you said strangely nearly always married
[18:37] <mapps> just saying..loads of awful women around
[18:38] <foobarry> well they seem a lot more understanding than they should be
[18:38] <foobarry> like the man who collects empty beer cans and displays them all over the house
[18:38] <mapps> plus a lot of women need to be with someone for confirmation they're doing ok..i see girls at work go from SUPER SERIOUS relationship to another
[18:38] <mapps> and its like just lol
[18:38] <mapps> yea i guess, but everyone has hobbies
[18:39] <daftykins> 0o
[18:39] <daftykins> it's the hoarders i can't stand
[18:39] <mapps> lol
[18:39] <mapps> hoarding i get..as stuff can be useful
[18:39] <mapps> but
[18:39] <daftykins> i've started programs about them before but can't finish them
[18:39] <daftykins> i just get annoyed :D
[18:39] <mapps> not when they're keeping like empty egg cartons lol
[18:40] <mapps> i dont like chucking stuff out..but i can still tell whats clearly rubbish:P
[18:40] <daftykins> exactly :D
[18:40] <mapps> its shocking sometimes
[18:40] <mapps> like they clearly cant even move about the house
[18:40] <daftykins> like i recycled a lot of PATA cables the other day 'cause that's now useless practically :>
[18:40] <mapps> foobarry you know what i mean? like anyone can get a women/girl if they want
[18:40] <mapps> hmm
[18:41] <mapps> id probaby have kept them
[18:41] <mapps> but thats me
[18:41] <daftykins> how much exposure are you going to have to PATA equipment now though? :)
[18:41] <foobarry> why is pistorius saying milady instead of m'lud
[18:42] <mapps> but what if daftykins
[18:42] <mapps> then il belike YES I GOTS THEM
[18:42] <mapps> and youll be all upset
[18:42] <daftykins> well i kept a pair of them
[18:42] <daftykins> :>
[18:42] <daftykins> but i got rid of surplus
[18:45] <foobarry> wifey visiting family.
[18:46] <foobarry> got one evening spare to myself. time to fire up the airbrush
[18:48] <daftykins> ah model time?
[18:48] <foobarry> yep
[18:48] <foobarry> finally got the guts to do a lnacaster
[18:48] <daftykins> :D
[18:52] <mapps> airbrush?
[18:53] <daftykins> foobarry does airfix style stuffs
[19:08] <foobarry> a noble hobby
[19:42] <mapps> ah cool
[19:42] <mapps> im crap at anything like that
[19:42] <mapps> fat fingers:D
[19:43] <shauno> I break for ribbon cables!  it's not unusual to lop the ends off though.
[19:47] <diddledan> the launch isn't going ahead
[19:47] <diddledan> next window friday
[19:48] <diddledan> :-(
[19:48] <diddledan> I wanted to see a rocket go flamey
[19:48] <bashrc> are they launching shuttleworth again?
[19:48] <diddledan> lol, no, spacex
[19:49] <bashrc> ah
[19:49] <bashrc> stuff in space
[19:52] <daftykins> i thought you meant ubuntu for a bit
[19:52] <daftykins> :>
[19:53] <daftykins> shauno: break for them? hmm?
[19:59] <shauno> a bumper-sticker meme :/
[20:00] <daftykins> oooh brake
[20:00] <daftykins> :>
[20:01] <shauno> ;)
[20:02] <shauno> I no good the english.  looooong day :/
[20:02] <daftykins> not quite sure why i couldn't make that leap
[20:03] <shauno> it wasn't an intentional leap :|
[20:03] <daftykins> naw, just surprised i didn't get it
[20:04] <shauno> I'm getting that a lot at the moment.  did you know, if you use wpa-psx instead of wpa-psk, wifi doesn't "get it" either?
[20:05] <shauno> I can't type, I can't read, I can't follow instructions .. I think it's bedtime soon
[20:05] <dwatkins> daftykins: yeah, my ISP seems to concentrate mostly on businesses, which is fine for me as I'm not using it much during the day
[20:06] <dwatkins> i.e. they have mostly business customers, hence the daytime latency
[20:15] <foobarry> bbc2
[20:15] <foobarry> storage space market is crazy
[20:53] <mapps> gah
[20:53] <mapps> living alone isa pain at times
[20:53] <mapps> take aways :<
[20:53] <mapps> min order £10
[20:53] <daftykins> :<
[20:53] <mapps> ive ordeered 2x my order before
[20:53] <mapps> but
[20:53] <mapps> its pretty grim cold
[20:53] <mapps> lol
[21:21] <mapps> how is this allowed..channel5 pick pockets and proud 34yr old criminal talking about pick pocketing..living in a council house paid for by us
[21:22] <mapps> surely the council could stop their benefits and the police could prosecute
[21:28] <shauno> I'm not sure things are that easy
[21:28] <mapps> well its on channel5 now and theyre shown pick pocketing..bragging about it
[21:28] <mapps> surely the council could act on it
[21:29] <mapps> just feels like a mockery that we're paying their benefits and they commit crimes against us all?
[21:31] <shauno> sure.  but I have to wonder if making them homeless isn't a little disproportionate  (and whether it'd discourage them, or just make them have to 'work harder')
[21:31] <mapps> well
[21:31] <mapps> surely we could prosecute based on the tv shhow get them off the streets
[21:32] <mapps> there's romanians shown to be bragging making money pickpocketing on the tube.stealing bags etc
[21:33] <shauno> sounds like a plan.  luckily we don't pay for prisons ;)
[21:33] <mapps> well whats the solution
[21:33] <mapps> let them do whatever they want?
[21:33] <shauno> that's what I mean.  not that easy
[21:35] <mapps> without sounding like well cant think of the word..you can tell what these lot are like a mile away
[21:35] <mapps> the way they dress/act/look etc