/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/04/14/#ubuntu-za.txt

betabertushey guys00:35
betabertusanyone awake here?00:36
Kilosmorning superfly not_found and others05:10
jabberwocky93morning all05:44
Kiloshi jabberwocky93 Spekko nuvolari_ 05:44
SpekkoMore Kilos05:45
jabberwocky93more Kilos05:45
nuvolari_o/ hallo oom Kilos 06:02
=== nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari
inetprogood morning06:35
ThatGraemeGuymorning all06:36
Kilosmorning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy 06:56
Kiloshi Xethron 07:29
Kiloshi bduk1 08:09
Kilossuperfly, can you set a compose key in 14.0408:10
Kilosunity shows its disabled and google dont find how to enable it08:11
Kiloshi drussell where you okes hid the compose key enable button08:11
Kilosis it only za peeps that use it?08:12
inetproKilos: what is this compose key that you are talking about?08:15
Kilosthe one i use to make the degrees icon goody with temps08:16
Kilosused to have it as caps lock key08:16
Kilosthey dont show options in keyboard layout anymore08:16
inetproyou have a Alt+Gr key?08:17
Kiloswhat is that?08:17
inetprothe right hand Alt key08:17
Kilosand what is the gr part08:18
inetproon my keyboard it is labeled as Alt+Gr08:18
inetproit is the compose key08:18
Kilosive got a genius k645 keyboard08:19
Kilosdont see the gr thing08:19
Kilosive tried what some of the bug reports say but i dont get it going08:20
Kiloshi smile howsit there08:21
smilehi :D08:21
inetproKilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key08:21
Kilosty inetpro i go see08:22
smilegood :) feeling fine08:22
smileover there? ;)08:22
* smile is still compiling gcc-gcj :(08:22
Kilosgood ty08:22
Kilosi even did sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration08:24
Kilosto see, but my model kb not there08:24
Kilosgrrr08:24
* Kilos gonna change keyboards. got one that shows alt+graph08:29
smile:D08:32
Symmetriaman08:33
Symmetriayou gotta love vendors08:33
SymmetriaQuestion: What is the power draw on the equipment you propose at an ambient tempreture of 25 - 30C 08:33
SymmetriaAnswer from the vendor: what would you like it to be"08:33
* Symmetria bangs his head on the table08:33
Kiloshehe08:33
Symmetriawell... I'd like it to generate power so I could sell it back into the grid, but thats not gonna happen, SO HOW ABOUT A REAL ANSWER ASSHOLES08:33
Kiloshey Symmetria hows your server coming08:34
Kilos14.04 releASE IN 3 DAYS TIME08:35
KilosEEEK08:35
Symmetrianot gonna be ready in time :(08:35
Kilossorry08:35
Kilosare you gonna do the debdelta server there too?08:35
Kilosi gave up with fanie08:36
bduk1More almal08:36
Kilos20°c08:41
Kilosheeee08:41
Kilosty inetpro but his is a terrible keyboard for 2 finger 1 eye typists08:49
smilehttp://www.hugsmile.eu/tools/media ;)09:17
Kiloswhats with the newspaper clippings smile 09:19
smileit's me :D09:19
Kiloson its side as well09:19
smilectrl arrow can help09:19
smile;)09:19
Kiloshaha09:19
Kiloscool you made the papers09:20
smileyeah :D09:21
smileone newspaper has still to publish the article, however09:22
smileand two radio stations called me :p09:22
smileonce I have material, I will provide it on that page :p09:22
Kilosnice09:22
Kiloshows is the wiki fixing going09:22
smilegreat ;)09:29
smilehttps://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/Smile4ever09:29
smilehttps://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot09:29
Kilosgood lad09:30
smilethanks :)09:32
Squirmmorning09:39
Kiloshi Squirm 09:51
superflyinetpro: eish, you confusing the man agfain10:41
superfly*again10:41
Kilostell him superfly 10:42
Kiloshehe10:42
Kiloshe does it on purpose10:42
superflyKilos: Alt Gr is just the right-hand alt key. on very old keyboards it didn't exist, and newer ones called it "AltGr" nowadays all keyboards have two alt keys, so they don't call the other one AltGr anymore.10:42
Kilosthen sits and smirks10:42
Kilosoh ty so i can bring my other keyboard back. this ones keys are too small10:43
* Kilos throws a wet fish at inetpro 10:44
Kilosa vrot one10:45
Kilosgotta be a vrot one otherwise he will just get fat on it10:59
* inetpro catches the fish and launches it back to Kilos11:05
inetproKilos: where are your notes from previous installations?11:05
psyatwhi inetpro 11:05
psyatwhi Kilos 11:05
inetprosurely you have gone through this?11:05
Kilosall over but this doesnt apply11:05
inetprohi psyatw11:06
Kilosthe others had options button for setting keys11:06
Kiloshi psyatw 11:06
Kilosi gotta go eaT11:06
inetproai!11:06
Kilosai! this kb11:07
Kiloswat ai! jy nou11:07
Kilosek sukkel darem met my volk11:07
inetproyou blame me when you should blame yourself11:07
Kilosnono11:08
inetproKilos: what are we even talking about, kde or normal ubuntu?11:08
Kilosunity thats why i asked fly. if the options button was there11:08
Kilosthen i would have installed kubuntu-desktop11:09
Kiloshehe11:09
inetprothe fly is not using unity11:09
inetproand what version of unity/ubuntu?11:10
betabertus8899hey guys can i install office 2013 in ubuntu yet?11:13
betabertus8899if not how do i install office 2010?11:14
inetprobetabertus8899: why would you ever want to do that when MS doesn't want you to do it?11:19
betabertus8899i need to complete work for university in ms format11:24
betabertus8899if i work in libre will the result be good?11:24
betabertus8899especially with excel and financial documents?11:25
Kilos14.04 ubuntu inetpro 11:27
Kiloshi betabertus8899 11:28
Kiloshang around somwone will answer you as soon as he gets a break11:28
Kilostest existing office documents in libreoffice and you will see what it can do i think11:30
inetprobetabertus8899: it is really sad if universities in this day and age still expect work to be submitted in ms format when that is not an ISO standard11:34
inetproobviously depending on whether it is a MS course11:34
betabertus8899hey yea bro11:34
betabertus8899no it's not11:35
betabertus8899just want to submit with all values working 11:35
Kilosworking on your machine or on someone else windows machine?11:35
Kilosif you have time then experiment11:36
inetproif I absolutely have to use MS Office I normally use it on a remote machine11:37
smilesudo apt-get install libreoffice :p11:38
inetprorunning windows on a VM is also an option but I never go there11:38
inetproLO should be installed by default11:38
Kilosyip comes installed11:38
inetproit's very rare that I need MS11:39
betabertus8899my machine11:48
Kiloswell if its going to be viewed on your machine then libreoffice should be fine11:49
betabertus8899i have ms office 2013 on a dual boot ubuntu 13.10 v windows 8.1 system. 11:49
betabertus8899but would like to go with ubuntu only, hence the install for ms office 2013 in ubuntu also11:50
betabertus8899i love linux now, windows is just lacking in the most basic ways!11:50
Kiloswell if you have both then you can play around lekker11:50
Kilosim not an office user but mine opens all windows documents i get just fine11:51
Kilosif you would prefer to use ubuntu then do it and only go win if you fail to do something11:51
betabertus8899yep 11:55
betabertus8899what do you use?11:55
betabertus8899libre?11:56
betabertus8899or open office?11:56
Kiloslibre when i need to do something11:56
Kilosthe easiest is to try get a document that is similar to what you want to do and open it with libreoffice and see11:57
betabertus8899ok11:57
betabertus8899does libre office docs open in word?11:58
betabertus8899ms office i mean11:58
betabertus8899like if i wrote in libre and  save, will office open that?11:58
Kiloslol i dunno about all that stuff. i just use what is installed to open things11:58
betabertus8899ok11:59
Kilosyou need expert advice from someone that does lotsa office stuff11:59
Kilosmaybe superfly can point you in the right direction12:00
Kilosthe prob is you gotta be patient here as the guys are busy, so experiment while you wait12:00
Kilosand see what google has to say about it12:02
Kiloswhat type of document do you want to make?12:02
ThatGraemeGuybetabertus8899: I have not done so but you might have luck with Office running under Wine: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1733612:07
ThatGraemeGuyalso http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885051 and http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/how-to-install-microsoft-office-suite-2010-in-ubuntu-12-04-using-wine-1-5/12:08
betabertus8899ok great trying this all now12:21
theblazehenhi12:58
Kiloshi theblazehen 12:58
Kiloswb betabertus8899 13:17
Kilosyou winning?13:17
betabertus8899no13:24
Kilosaw13:24
betabertus8899playonlinux software update now13:24
betabertus8899taking very long13:24
Vince-0!13:41
Vince-0o/13:41
Kilosyhi Vince-0 13:41
Kiloshi as well13:41
Vince-0are you looking forward to the 14.04 release as much as I am?13:51
Vince-0NOT13:51
Vince-0lol13:51
Vince-0we're trying a small meet this weekend to check it out but there's such little interest13:52
Kilosim already using it Vince-0 13:52
Kiloswilliam as well13:52
Kiloshe has been using it for 2 months, me only 2 weeks13:52
ThatGraemeGuyi usually wait a few weeks until whatever stuff i have from PPAs is updated13:53
Kiloshehe i forget what ppas i used and just go on13:56
Kilosone day i will upgrade to anew release13:56
Kiloswb Vince-0 14:29
Vince-0stupid work dsl14:56
Vince-0im out!14:56
* nuvolari peeks out the window15:11
nuvolarien daar haan hulle15:11
Kiloshehe15:11
Kilossmile, awhile16:25
smile? :D16:26
Kilosgo superfly 16:39
betabertus8899guys17:04
Kiloshi betabertus8899 17:31
Kilosthats a massive nick you carry around17:33
KilosMaaz, seen hibana17:34
MaazKilos: hibana was last seen 11 months, 20 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-04-28 13:41:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-04-28 14:00:14 PDT17:34
Kilosshame the kid is battling18:06
Kilosuh oh18:23
KilosMaaz, tell inetpro Fix it18:23
MaazKilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode18:23
Kilosinetpro, wb18:30
Kiloshi Mzolisto howsit18:40
betabertus8899hello all18:43
Kiloswb betabertus8899 18:43
Kilosdid you succeed18:43
betabertus8899no i did not18:45
Kilosare you proficient with ms office or learning to use office?18:46
betabertus8899now i have another problem, thunderbird keeps having two copies in sent mail18:46
Kilosi been looking what i can find18:46
Kilosoh my18:47
betabertus8899downloading another version of ms2010 to try now18:47
Kilosi dumped thunderbird and use evolution on pop18:47
Kiloshttp://lifehacker.com/battle-of-the-office-suites-microsoft-office-and-libre-114794082818:47
betabertus8899yea it does not actually send two mails, just shows two in the sent folder18:47
Kilossee what this guy says about the 218:47
betabertus8899bad day on linux18:48
Kiloswhat release are you on again?18:48
betabertus8899and updated my nvidia GT740m 2GB graphics card, but system crashed...18:48
betabertus8899so yea18:49
betabertus8899running 13.10 now18:49
Kilosdo you do serious graphics 18:49
betabertus8899have reinstalled thunderbird 18:49
Kilosi use nvidia-current18:49
Kilosis your system up to date?18:50
betabertus8899i have dual gpu thats why it crashed, accourding to the net18:50
betabertus8899yes18:50
Kilosok then why is everything giving probs18:50
Kiloshmm...18:50
betabertus8899haha don't know bro18:50
Kilosdo you use aptitude?18:50
betabertus8899you mean with software updater yea?18:51
Kiloswith command line18:51
Kilosinstead of apt-get18:51
Kilosi like aptitude it sorts other probs out for you18:52
betabertus8899whats the command plz18:52
Kilossudo apt-get install aptitude18:52
Kilosthen try sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird18:53
betabertus8899ok cool bro18:53
Kilosand it will tell you if there is stuff to remove18:53
betabertus8899clearly your pro compared to me18:53
Kilosim too old to be a bro18:53
Kiloshehe18:53
betabertus8899this is my second day on linux so yea18:54
Kilosna im no pro i get help here regularly18:54
betabertus8899cool18:54
Kilosoh you still new18:54
betabertus8899yea18:55
betabertus8899noob18:55
Kiloshave you done those commands?18:55
betabertus8899almost done18:55
Kiloswe all start as noobs and some never get past it like me18:55
Kilosthe guys hide here when they see me sukkeling18:56
betabertus8899ok have ran it18:56
betabertus8899lets test18:56
Kilosok lets just see something18:56
Kiloswait18:56
Kilossudo apt-get update18:56
Kiloswhen aptitude is installing or reinstalling apps watch what it shows18:58
betabertus8899done18:58
betabertus8899looks like all works18:59
betabertus8899with the commands you gave18:59
Kilosok sudo aptitude upgrade18:59
betabertus8899yes done19:00
Kilosdid it want to fetch anything?19:00
Kilosare you here using your browser or an irc client19:03
betabertus8899xchat 19:05
betabertus8899irc client19:05
Kilosok19:05
betabertus8899this the best way?19:06
Kilosyes i use xchat too but on 14.04 it didnt have sound so im on hexchat19:06
Kilosif your system does funny things after working fine run this command19:07
Kilossudo touch /forcefsck19:07
Kilosand when you reboot it will do a file system check19:08
betabertus8899nothing happens19:20
Kiloswith what?19:20
Kilosinetpro, fix it19:20
Trixar_zaforce fsck19:22
Trixar_zaoh dear19:22
Kilostoo rough Trixar_za 19:23
Kilosi use it all the time19:23
Kilosbut i have disabled boot splash so i see it doing things19:23
Kilosespecially after power cuts, then it fixes lots of orpan inodes19:26
KilosTrixar_za, talk to me19:28
Trixar_zaYes? Oo19:29
Kilosyou said force fsck not lekker?19:30
betabertus8899no nothing happend19:32
Kilosmaybe it did it in hiding19:33
Kiloshehe19:33
Kilosyou dont see text when booting hey?19:33
betabertus8899the trixar command plz19:33
Kiloshe was just commenting on the force fsck19:34
betabertus8899ok19:34
Kilossome guys dont like it19:34
Kilosanyway is your thunderbird still sick?19:35
betabertus8899anyway the thunderbird double sent still there just sent a test mail19:35
Kiloseish19:35
betabertus8899yea what other mail client is good for linux?19:36
Kilosi use evolution but others say its old fashioned19:36
Kilosif you want to try it the command is19:36
Kilossudo aptitude install evolution19:37
Kilosi use it with pop so it only fetches new mails19:37
betabertus8899ok19:37
betabertus8899i tried it but very laggy19:38
betabertus8899i want like very light19:38
Kilospeeps say its a bit heavy19:38
betabertus8899geary looks good, but no signature19:38
Kilosbut works ok for me and has the option of making its own backup so you dont lose contacts etc19:38
betabertus8899and i use this for buisness19:39
betabertus8899ok cool19:39
Kilosmost peeps use thunderbird nowadays but i didnt like it19:39
Kilosnot_found, hi there why you okes not helping me here19:41
Kilosi lead new peeps astray19:42
Kilosteach them old fashioned blou draad en tang ways19:42
Kilosbetabertus8899, if you wait 3 days you cab get the new ubuntu19:44
Kilos14.04 releases on the 17th19:44
Kilosand its a long term support os19:44
Kiloss/cab/can19:45
betabertus8899yeah 14.04 will hopefully be super awesome20:04
betabertus8899would be wise just to wait a month before jumping... all the bugs will be gone20:04
Kilosi didnt like 13.10 so stayed on 12.04 then got 14.04 2 weeks ago20:04
Kilosvery lekker20:04
betabertus8899how is the beta?20:05
betabertus8899good?20:05
Kilosits very stable already20:05
betabertus8899ok20:05
Kilosi prefer it to 12.0420:05
betabertus8899do you use any firewall or anti-virus?20:06
Kiloskinda same but smoother20:06
Kilosgufw20:06
Kilossudo aptitude install gufw20:06
Kilosno antivirus20:06
Kilosyou can install the antivirus for checking emails so you dont pass virii to the next windows user20:07
Kilosdo you have synaptic installed?20:08
Kilossynaptic is a package manager where you can see everything thats installed and what is available20:08
Kilosthe antivirus is called clamtk20:09
Kilosbut we dont need it20:09
betabertus8899clamtk20:09
betabertus8899?20:09
Kilosyes clamtk is our antivirus20:11
Kilosclamav is without the gui20:11
Kilosbut its for checking mails mainly20:11
Kiloswindows virii dont affect us20:12
betabertus8899ok20:18
betabertus8899what else should i install?20:18
Kilosum20:18
not_foundsorry uncle Kilos was in bed since 8 (6 sa time) only up now cause blood sugar dropped and having some food20:19
Kilosyou chat on msn and so?20:19
Kilossorry not_found 20:19
betabertus8899yes pidgeon20:19
Kilosthought you were at work20:19
Kiloscool i love pidgin20:19
not_foundnp yell when you need help and if we are here we try20:19
Kilosty not_found take it easy and get well quick20:20
Kiloswhat else do you do betabertus8899 ?20:20
Kilosin synaptic you will see a little window at the top where you can type in what you are looking for and it shows hat is available20:21
not_foundlol, I am ok, just need to eat then I am off to bed :)20:22
Kiloswhat20:22
Kilosok sleep tight ty not_found 20:22
not_foundnight :)20:22
betabertus8899whats your job kilos?20:23
betabertus8899cd && wget -O .laptop-mode.sh http://goo.gl/AH0tvj20:23
betabertus8899chmod +x .laptop-mode.sh && ./.laptop-mode.sh20:23
Kiloslol im a ballie that dont work20:24
betabertus8899amazing app to save power, battery usage increase massive20:24
betabertus8899mine has increased like 40% today20:24
Kiloswow20:25
betabertus8899very useful for work espesially20:25
Kilosyeah would be20:25
betabertus8899almost like haswell20:25
Kilosi only have desktop pcs20:25
betabertus8899http://www.noobslab.com/2013/10/enable-laptop-mode-and-other-tweaks-to.html20:25
betabertus8899check it out20:25
Kilostomorrow20:26
betabertus8899ok20:26
Kilosubuntu is very lekker20:26
betabertus8899yep amazing20:26
Kilosanyway you can ask for help here just about anytime20:26
betabertus8899just miss my e-mail outlook that's always working awesome20:26
Kilosthere is normally someone around20:27
Kilosno man20:27
betabertus8899will just try to install tomorrow20:27
Kilosevo is much better than outlook20:27
betabertus8899yea, but so slow and laggy. 20:27
betabertus8899maybe will give it another try20:28
Kiloswhat lappy specs?20:28
betabertus8899i720:28
betabertus88998gb ram20:28
betabertus8899high specs20:28
Kilosdo you know about the extra workspaces?20:28
Kiloswow and you say evo is laggy20:28
Kilosi dont remember 13.10. does it show the workspace switcher20:29
betabertus8899yea20:30
Kilosi just open my evo on its own workspace and leave it there20:31
betabertus8899it just keeps loading when i select other folders20:31
betabertus8899like it does not stop to update20:31
Kilosno then something is wrong20:31
Kilosdid you install it today?20:31
Kilossudo aptitude reinstall evolution20:32
Kilosshould lag at all on the pc20:32
Kilosshouldnt20:32
Kilosim on a dual core with 4g ram20:33
betabertus8899keeps like refreshing20:33
Kilosshouldnt20:33
Kilosyou also gotta set it for when it must fetch mails20:34
betabertus8899ok20:34
Kilosin edit preferences20:34
betabertus8899should i set it to load like offline20:34
Kiloslots of stuff you can set to suit your likes20:35
Kilosit should just open20:35
Kiloslemme restart mine and time it20:35
Kilos5 secs and its open20:36
Kiloshavent you got it open twice20:40
betabertus8899keeps saying generating message list 20:40
betabertus8899man this is soo slow 20:41
Kilossomething is wrong20:42
Kilosyou havent even got it open yet?20:42
Kilosmine opens in 5 mins and then fetches new mails20:43
Kilos5 secs sorry20:43
Kilostry closing thunderbird20:43
Kiloscan we go on tomorrow betabertus8899 ? im  falling off the chair here20:45
betabertus8899yea cheers20:48
betabertus8899im also off20:48
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:48

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