[00:17] <amigamagic> ok I filed the bug on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813
[00:48] <RFleming> Greetings.
[00:48] <RFleming> I'm trying  to find out if this is a bug or not but...
[00:49] <RFleming> When I have gmusicbrowser playing music, or streaming from a site, most times when the screen locks the music stops playing until I unlock the machine, but sometimes it continues
[00:49] <RFleming> I expect music to continue to play while the machine is locked, not to stop.
[00:52] <RFleming> it isn't just gmusicbrowser either, it's through a flash player in a browser through internet radio, and other sources as well.
[00:53] <pleia2> I think it continuing is a bug
[00:53] <amigamagic> If you are playing the music, you don't want to stop it if the screen goes in saving mode so, at least from an user perspective, it's a bug.
[00:54] <RFleming> really?  One would think that if a computer is locked, all processes would continue as normal, you're just preventing someone from accessing the computer.
[00:55] <amigamagic> yes. Maybe screen lock halts all the interactive processes the user started in its graphical session.
[00:55] <RFleming> pleia2, BTW, I was at my library today and gave them your email address for an 'We use Xubuntu for' segment.  Now for them to contact you.
[00:55] <pleia2> RFleming: great, thank you :)
[00:56] <amigamagic> if someone is interested I filed a bug report on launchpad too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251
[00:57] <RFleming> amigamagic, Interactive processes should not be halted... period.  There are instances where that is LEAST desirable.
[00:57] <RFleming> at my office, with Windows machines, it is quite common for someone to be post processing a very large dataset on a computer and locking the machine to prevent interference.
[00:58] <amigamagic> RFleming, I agree with you if you had not realized... :)
[00:59] <RFleming> I know, was just further bolstering my argument through an ally :)
[01:00] <RFleming> pleia2, I'd say that 66% of the time it blocks, the other 33% it works as 'expected'
[01:00] <pleia2> RFleming: goofy thing
[01:00] <RFleming> pleia2, I have kids, so I have a quick lock time... I usually have several remote sessions into work running, and do NOT want them tampering
[01:00] <RFleming> :)
[01:01] <pleia2> whatever the expected behavior, it should be consistant, so there is a bug somewhere :)
[01:01] <RFleming> my daughter calls herself, my mini-manager-assistant.
[01:01] <pleia2> hehe
[01:02] <RFleming> pleia2, I've looked in launchpad, but I haven't mastered it like I have google searches, so I can't find it if it exists.
[01:02] <RFleming> I'm assuming it exists, as my current bug finding score is 0 on tens of bugs I've found :)
[01:03] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/18415
[01:03] <pleia2> ah, no
[01:03] <pleia2> that's media *controls*
[01:25] <Logan_> knome: uploaded
[05:00] <Unit193> Where do the Unruly Unicorn proposals go? :P
[05:27] <Logan_> ...lawl
[05:28] <Logan_> Unit193: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[05:38] <Unit193> Logan_: Nonono, we all know that's ignored except for laughs. :P
[05:44] <Unit193> (Though I do like the Uakari one better.)
[06:36] <jhenke> morning folks
[06:37] <elfy> hi jhenke 
[06:43] <elfy> woot - volman fix released
[07:14] <jhenke> quite some unicormn lovers for 14.10
[08:52] <zequence> No bluetooth changes yet?
[09:50] <zequence> Do you get dual instances of some things in the indicator panel?
[09:51] <zequence> In the latest Ubuntu Studio I'm seeing power and calendar twice, though they are not the same power and the same calendar (the double is another kind of indicator)
[09:52] <brainwash> zequence: unneeded indicators are still being installed
[09:52] <brainwash> the dependency issue is not resolved yet
[09:52] <zequence> brainwash: Ok
[09:53] <brainwash> in xubuntu we hide the xfce4-power-manager tray icon by default
[09:53] <knome> Logan_, thank you very much!
[09:53] <brainwash> so only indicator-power should be visible on mobile devices
[09:54] <olbi> there is a bug in top right corner, after the clock there is blank place, but when I click there than there is keyboard and language menu :P
[09:54] <brainwash> Logan_: thanks :)
[09:54] <zequence> Right, I forgot to mention what olbi just said
[09:54] <amigamagic> knome, sorry if I bother you, did you see my bug report on launchpad to check if it's all right or I've done something wrong there? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1307251
[09:55] <brainwash> olbi: indicator-keyboard will be not part of the default installation (final release)
[09:55] <olbi> oh, ok :D
[09:55] <olbi> the wallpapaer bug is still exist :/
[09:55] <brainwash> you can use this indicator, but you need to configure it via gnome-control-center
[09:55] <zequence> brainwash: So, you're dropping it from seeds?
[09:55] <brainwash> zequence: we plan to
[09:55] <knome> olbi, what wallpaper bug?
[09:56] <olbi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1297170
[09:56] <knome> cyphermox, good day
[09:56] <olbi> I have only xfce wallpaper and nothing more :/
[09:56] <knome> olbi, aha..
[09:56] <knome> amigamagic, looks okay
[09:57] <brainwash> olbi: new user account?
[09:57] <olbi> after instalation
[09:57] <olbi> and upgrade the whole system
[09:57] <brainwash> please create a new user account and log in to verify it
[09:57] <olbi> ok
[09:59] <amigamagic> knome, ok, thanks... I spent much time to make reproducible tests and check the changes in the ~/.config/xfce/desktop folder, so I'm happy if I could have been of help.
[09:59] <amigamagic> :)
[10:00] <olbi> yes, after creating another account all is ok
[10:01] <brainwash> ok
[10:01] <brainwash> so it should be fine
[10:03] <olbi> but after first installation I need to create another account? :P
[10:05] <brainwash> when did you install xubuntu?
[10:06] <brainwash> it should be fixed since 2014-04-09 (daily image)
[10:15] <olbi> yes, it was this image :)
[10:15] <olbi> maybe I should dl new one?
[10:18] <brainwash> if you don't mind testing it
[10:20] <olbi> hmm, strange, when I add new user, it wasn't be in sudoers :P
[10:21] <knome> slickymasterWork, poke in the eye
[10:24] <amigamagic> should a translation bug of a task manager column for the italian language be only on bugzilla or on launchpad too?
[10:25] <knome> brainwash, i can't confirm bug 1297170 on today's ISO
[10:25] <knome> i'll install now, but i'm pretty sure it's not broken
[10:33] <brainwash> olbi: new users are create with the standard template, you need change it manually to "administrator"
[10:34] <brainwash> knome: just to make sure :)
[10:34] <knome> brainwash, yep.
[10:36] <knome> yep, no xfce wallpaper here
[11:24] <amigamagic> I should file this bug on launchpad too: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10817 ?
[11:34] <olbi> hmm, you cant update the translation files for installer before first general update of LTS?
[11:35] <amigamagic> honestly, I don't know
[11:35] <olbi> and some icons in whisker menu which are depend on exo too :]
[11:36] <olbi> In my opinion, You should brake some rules about freezing feature like translation files :D
[11:39] <amigamagic> I don't think the ubuntu team is so rigid on these things. They are already correcting many things before the official release. But I don't know if the ubuntu team could make changes at xfce translation files before the official xfce team.
[11:41] <olbi> if they want spread around the world, not only english countries, they need to :) some things in dash doesn't work good in my language :P
[11:42] <knome> olbi, translations in xfce trunk/transifex are a completely different thing than translations in the ubuntu packages
[11:43] <knome> olbi, there is no simple way to just "update translations", it would need manual work, and it would mean the packages would become more separated from the debian packages
[11:44] <knome> olbi, so as long as there are no new releases well before the feature freeze, it's unlikely that the translations land into the release fully/at all
[11:45] <amigamagic> knome, do you think I should file that language bug report on launchpad too, or it's ok to have it only on bugzilla.xfce.org?
[11:45] <knome> amigamagic, what language bug report?
[11:45] <knome> right, that
[11:46] <knome> umh, no, just fix it in transifex once you are approved to the translation team
[11:46] <amigamagic> ok, thanks! :)
[11:47] <knome> it'll propagate to ubuntu some point
[11:47] <knome> +at
[11:48] <olbi> knome: so the best way to update translation in Xubuntu is waiting for new release of package in debian?
[11:48] <knome> olbi, new xfce upstream release
[11:48] <knome> olbi, that'll then make its way to debian, and then ubuntu
[11:49] <olbi> ok, so for now I need to w8 with promoting Xubuntu in my country :(
[11:49] <knome> olbi, or if debian doesn't package it, we can package it specifically for xubuntu, but we're not going to do that just for translations
[11:50] <knome> olbi, why isn't there a polish translation of the xubuntu docs?
[11:50] <knome> olbi, that would help a lot, even if the apps were in english.
[11:50] <olbi> it is still going :] I have very little time for it
[11:50] <olbi> I'm working in 2 jobs now, one in UK, second in Poland
[11:51] <olbi> second is telework :P
[11:51] <olbi> I will try finish the docs in one month
[11:53] <knome> olbi, sure, i understand, but try to see it this way: the xubuntu doc team has created a completely new, updated version of the docs, and have told all languages with at least 80% translated strings will be shipped with the release; by doing this, the xubuntu team has already enabled a direct way to help make xubuntu more usable for people who don't understand english
[11:55] <olbi> knome, the problem here is that, that not all ppl from polish translation team are interested in translating xubuntu or docs for it, I'm doing this alone for now, sometime help from 2 - 3 ppl
[11:55] <knome> i understand.
[11:57] <olbi> sometimes I need to w8 for approved translation in launchpad 1 - 2 weeks because person responsible for this things doesn't have time
[11:57] <olbi> ok, I have to go to work now, will be about 23 UTC
[11:58] <knome> why aren't you in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-pl the?
[11:58] <knome> *then
[11:58] <olbi> I'm ass member but doesn't have rights to approve
[11:58] <knome> no, you're not a member of that team...
[12:00] <olbi> I was trying to be added there but still they need to check me, after 2 years .... :P
[12:00] <knome> olbi, don't see you as pending either
[12:29] <knome> zequence, ping
[12:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, hey, you around?
[12:58] <knome> zequence, if you happen to come around while i'm off, can you confirm on bug 1307485 that it is ok
[13:10] <knome> slickymaster, stop pinging out when i ping you!
[13:25] <slickymasterWork> I am now, knome 
[13:26] <knome> slickymaster, so, the tour page... ;)
[13:27] <slickymasterWork> if you're available, it's ok with me
[13:27] <slickymasterWork> just let me open the page
[13:27] <knome> i'm semi-around
[13:27] <knome> i've been neglecting my real work for some time now with xubuntu stuff, so i need to balane
[13:27] <knome> *balance
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> I know, I also at work, but I think I'll magae to juggle more than one ball
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> I believe that your intention it's to rebuild from the ground up?
[13:29] <slickymasterWork> do you already have any specific ideas?
[13:31] <knome> it's probably best to rethink the whole thing
[13:31] <knome> no, i don't have any specific ideas
[13:31] <knome> but we should look what our strategy document says
[13:31] <knome> and then build upon on things that actually work towards our goal/vision
[13:31] <slickymasterWork> when you say rethink, you're just referring to the text content, right? Or is there something else involved?
[13:32] <knome> we can use the colored highlight blocks
[13:32] <knome> and more lively screenshots
[13:32] <knome> (old ones are dropped because they were ugly)
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> that reminds me that I have to take new trusty screenshots to solve the 'Sex' presence in the ones we now have
[13:33] <knome> lol
[13:33] <knome> not *quite* yet
[13:34] <knome> once the last bug fix is in, the desktop should look as it would in the final ISO
[13:34] <slickymasterWork> I think we should start with the text content, and once that's done, we would move to the design question
[13:34] <knome> yes
[13:34] <knome> should we start a pad
[13:35] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Tour
[13:35] <slickymasterWork> probably, no need to flood the channel 
[13:35] <slickymasterWork> on it
[13:46] <elfy> knome: if there's anything I can do to assist - let me know
[13:46] <elfy> home and staying here now
[13:46] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Tour
[13:46] <knome> if you wish to have a poke
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> come on in elfy 
[13:47] <knome> other than that, most changes should be landed or landing
[13:47] <elfy> yep
[13:47] <knome> release notes/announcement is well prepared
[13:47] <knome> flyer is... pending on pleia2 :P
[13:48] <elfy> ok - not looked at blog draft since the other day
[13:48] <knome> poked at it today
[13:48] <elfy> is the wiki one started
[13:48] <knome> updating the bug lists
[13:48] <elfy> ok
[13:48] <knome> both blog and wiki are at http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final
[13:48] <elfy> ok
[13:48] <knome> scroll down for notes (to be in the wiki)
[13:49] <elfy> yep - understood
[13:49] <CritAnime> hi
[13:50] <brainwash> knome: ah c'mon... why did you have to bump a dozen reports? :)
[13:50] <starrats> tried to take a peek at the /xubuntu1404tour and got this after I logged in:  http://pad.ubuntu.com/openid/+login
[13:50] <elfy> starrats: that's because we're working on a pad for these things - you need to be in the etherpad group on Launchpad
[13:51] <starrats> ah okay, understand
[13:51] <brainwash> elfy: looks like we won't resolve the black problem in time :/
[13:53] <elfy> brainwash: ok - well as long as we know it can go in wherever and people that 'support' should pick it up
[14:00] <cyphermox> knome: just uploaded n-m-applet.
[14:01]  * knome bows
[14:11] <pleia2> I'll try to take a look at the flyer this week
[14:11] <pleia2> airplanes today
[14:13] <elfy> you're looking at planes?
[14:13] <elfy> #awesomejob
[14:14] <pleia2> I love airplanes!
[14:14] <elfy> :)
[14:14] <pleia2> but I'm actually riding in a couple, in addition to enjoying their company
[14:17]  * jhenke likes airplanes too
[14:39] <jhenke> yeha! just got the mail that the bluetooth bug should be fixed :)
[14:40] <elfy> except for you :p
[14:41] <jhenke> elfy: ?
[14:41] <elfy> just joking :)
[14:41] <jhenke> okay
[14:42] <jhenke> does somebody need to ask for a respin now?
[14:43] <cyphermox> there should be one shortly anyway, no?
[14:46] <elfy> apparently
[14:47] <elfy> there are no builds available atm 
[14:55] <zequence> knome: Ok, so you're going through with it now?
[14:58] <zequence> knome: Ok, saw the bug report
[15:10] <knome> zequence, yep, it's done
[15:10] <knome> zequence, if you want something else bluetooth than bluez on your seed, you should change that
[15:11] <zequence> knome: is blueman enough?
[15:11] <knome> that's what we use, should be
[15:11] <zequence> knome: Ok. I just added it.
[15:11] <knome> we don't ship bluez either
[15:12] <knome> but i'm not totally familiar with all the bluetooth stuff
[15:15] <zequence> It's more of a Apple thing anyway, right ;)
[15:16] <knome> heh
[15:17] <knome> well i use it now and then, maybe once in a year or two...
[15:23] <cyphermox> ah, no bluez but using straight blueman?
[15:24] <cyphermox> blueman depends on bluez
[15:24] <knome> cyphermox, dunno, it works like that for us, i guess...
[15:25] <knome> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/desktop
[15:27] <cyphermox> right
[15:27] <cyphermox> it's in the desktop-common seed
[15:28] <cyphermox> anyway, it's irrelevant
[15:28] <cyphermox> bluez does the lower-level magic for handling the devices, like setting up the transport protocols for sound, or encrypting keyboard keys
[15:53] <elfy> pleia2 knome - can someone ping the social media with the final build test please
[15:53] <pleia2> on it!
[15:54] <elfy> I knew you would be :)
[15:54] <elfy> thanks
[15:54] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds
[15:55] <elfy> it's not there yet - but it's starting to fill up
[15:55] <knome> seriously? I/O error?
[15:55] <knome> :P
[15:55]  * elfy has sent the penultimate mail to the list
[15:55] <elfy> knome: yep - it's seriously filling up :p
[15:56] <elfy> next cycle we could ask for the builds to be done in z - a order :p
[15:57] <knome> think i'll just burn a dvd and don't hope the SD card to work
[15:57] <elfy> :)
[15:58] <pleia2> haha, z-a order
[15:58] <knome> heyyyy... i even have two blank ones
[15:58] <knome> what about öbuntu, the new xubuntu spinoff by knome?
[15:58]  * knome hides
[15:59] <zequence> And, don't forget zubuntu
[15:59] <pleia2> I can't use it because I don't have that key on my keyboard
[16:00] <zequence> pleia2: Use gimp to draw two dots on all the o's you send
[16:00] <knome> pleia2, yeah but it has a pink wallpaper and pink highlight colors on the greybird theme
[16:00] <pleia2> knome: oooh
[16:00] <pleia2> zequence: haha
[16:00] <knome> pleia2, and lots of kitten applications
[16:00] <pleia2> kittens++
[16:00] <knome> ...whatever that might mean
[16:00] <jhenke> pleia2 a common subsitute for ö is oe
[16:01] <knome> jhenke, but the flavor name will be öbuntu!
[16:01] <knome> not oebuntu
[16:01] <pleia2> oebuntu
[16:01] <jhenke> not a problem for me knome, öbuntu
[16:01] <jhenke> german keyboard layout for the win xD
[16:01] <knome> maybe it should be öbüntü
[16:01] <pleia2> haha
[16:01] <jhenke> ßubuntu ;)
[16:01] <knome> or øbəntæ
[16:02] <knome> i'm really surprised that the olympic games still do not know ä...
[16:02] <knome> kaisa maekaeraeinen
[16:02] <knome> who? :P
[16:02] <pleia2> my terminal is starting to puke on characters now
[16:02] <pleia2> :)
[16:03] <knome> pũké
[16:03] <pleia2> :P
[16:04] <jhenke> I am glad we have unicode these days
[16:19] <jhenke> so once new images are build, those should be clean off all the stuff that shouldn't be in there, right?
[16:21] <elfy> jhenke: I'm not completely sure tbh - but we can ask for rebuilds if necessary
[16:24] <jhenke> okay, would be nice to know though, as then I would burn a classic DVD with the image and install on the netbook here, but I want to avoid having to brun an image several times
[16:25] <jhenke> still no usb stick support on that thing :(
[16:25] <knome> jhenke, you can install plop, http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[16:29] <knome> elfy, do you rather want a regular or image upgrade? (now that i have the DVD...)
[16:31] <elfy> I think I would rather have regular ones done now - image ones are quikcer to do at the last minute if needed
[16:32] <knome> oki
[16:32] <knome> still resizing a partition
[16:32] <knome> but will do a regular one then
[16:32] <jhenke> knome thanks for the hint, but the device's BIOS is rather weired at times, I stick to normal DVD images :)
[16:33] <slickymasterWork> elfy, I'll test RC tomorrow. Not able to download the image over here at work,
[16:34] <jhenke> by the way as tegra cpu is mentioned on the ML, is xubuntu build with for arm/arm64?
[16:34] <knome> no
[16:35] <jhenke> okay
[16:35] <jhenke> could be interesting though, but I guess lack of resources for that kind of port
[16:46] <elfy> knome: I'm just going to wait for it to show as built in -release for the moment 
[16:56] <brainwash> did we break anything? bug 1307545
[17:57] <micahg> knome: I won't be available until after the release unfortunately, I wish you all luck and I hope to help more next cycle
[17:58] <knome> micahg, well, all the fixes we can realistically get in are uploaded...
[17:58] <knome> micahg, but thanks for letting us know
[18:07] <knome> somebody wants to play with an image upgrade test?
[18:09] <elfy> I'll play with loads - but I'm waiting to use the rc build when it appears
[18:09] <knome> elfy, bug 1155167
[18:09] <knome> elfy, we got some action there, want a log from trusty now
[18:09] <elfy> I'm marked as that affecting me 
[18:10] <elfy> I'll do one now for that with whatever ... 
[18:10] <knome> elfy, see -release
[18:12] <knome> i'll go check the status of my upgrade :P
[18:13] <elfy> I wish I'd update the names of vms as I fiddle with them - just opened 4 to see they are all upgraded already :|
[18:14] <knome> heh
[18:15] <knome> yeah
[18:15] <knome> what about snapshots?
[18:15] <elfy> ... 
[18:15] <elfy> :p
[18:15] <elfy> is that like a backup ... 
[18:15] <knome> yep
[18:16] <elfy> I'm bad at them as well 
[18:16] <knome> save a snapshot with a state -> you can always revert to that
[18:16] <knome> well that's builtin in vbox
[18:16] <elfy> yea 
[18:16] <knome> it's just pressing a button and it does a snapshot for you
[18:16] <knome> i never use them either
[18:16] <knome> except when i know i'm going to do several upgrade tests in a row
[18:17] <knome> we should write a xfce4-random-setup script
[18:17] <knome> which would randomize the setup, and output a file that says human-readably what's done
[18:19] <ali1234> randomize it how?
[18:20] <knome> i'm mostly kidding, but randomize it like doing a "real world" setup
[18:21] <ali1234> yeah but you mean like, moving the panels around? or installing different packages?
[18:21] <knome> yeah
[18:21] <knome> if the script was prefixed xubuntu-, it could also randomly install/remove(?) some packages as well
[18:21] <ali1234> so everything...
[18:21] <ali1234> i talked to tedg about the indicator-appmenu thing that was posted on the ML
[18:22] <knome> i didn't follow the ML discussion too closely... can you give me a summary?
[18:22] <ali1234> indicator-appmenu now loads all the time
[18:22] <ali1234> so if you have xfce and unity, you get no menus in xfce, even if you hide the indicator-appmenu visible part
[18:22] <knome> :|
[18:22] <ali1234> this seems to be a side effect of upstart changes
[18:22] <knome> right
[18:22] <knome> sounds like SRU material
[18:23] <ali1234> but it is not directly related to indicators, rather than UBUNTU_MENUPROXY stuff is being set in xfce unconditionally now
[18:23] <brainwash> so that's the global menu?
[18:23] <ali1234> brainwash: right
[18:23] <brainwash> mmh
[18:23] <ali1234> it probably affects gnome as well
[18:23] <brainwash> guess I removed that already long time ago
[18:23] <knome> ali1234, where do we set it??
[18:23] <ali1234> knome: we don't
[18:23] <knome> right
[18:23] <ali1234> the unity people helpfully rewrote the script that used to handle it, and took out the desktop checks
[18:23] <knome> what's the fix?
[18:23] <ali1234> the fix is pester attente to fix it apparently :)
[18:23] <knome> uhh...
[18:24] <ali1234> there's nothing we can directly do
[18:24] <ali1234> it's a unity problem
[18:24] <elfy> no wonder I get cynical
[18:24] <knome> ok, i wouldn't mind if it landed to the final 14.04 release
[18:24] <knome> ali1234, keep pestering, and ping me if you need (background) support
[18:24] <knome> is there a bug for it?
[18:24] <ali1234> any fix would be in the package unity-gtk-module-common apparently
[18:24] <ali1234> no, i was just drafting one
[18:25] <knome> okay, let me know when it's reported
[18:25] <ali1234> would be helpful if someone could confirm all this, i haven't tested it myself
[18:25] <ali1234> i only have the ML post to go on
[18:25] <knome> elfy, while you are doing the upgrade test.... :P
[18:25] <brainwash> what's bad about having the global menu in Xfce?
[18:25] <ali1234> brainwash: it doesn't work
[18:25] <brainwash> oh
[18:25] <ali1234> and also you can't turn it off
[18:25] <knome> brainwash, "you get no menus in xfce"
[18:26] <ali1234> you have a choice between no menus, and no menus and also it crashes every 5 minutes
[18:26] <knome> heyyy!
[18:26] <knome> fine choices there
[18:26] <brainwash> purge it
[18:26] <knome> i think i'll go with the crash every 5 minutes
[18:26] <ali1234> yes, but people want to install xfce and unity on the same machine - that's the problem
[18:26] <brainwash> unity AND xfce
[18:26] <brainwash> that's madness!
[18:26] <knome> brainwash, so it's not a problem on the default ISO/installation...
[18:27] <brainwash> yeah
[18:27] <knome> so it can go in as SRU...
[18:27] <ali1234> so apparently this script is the problem: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.14.04/view/head:/data/unity-gtk-module.conf
[18:27] <elfy> knome: do you think I should randomly decide to forget what the old username is in this upgrade test for that bug?
[18:29] <elfy> I did 
[18:30] <brainwash> ali1234: so there is nothing we can do about it other than waiting until is gets fixed by the ubuntu guys?
[18:30] <ali1234> pretty much
[18:30] <brainwash> alright
[18:30] <ali1234> seems like the fix will be easy, if you know what you are doing. unfortunately i don't
[18:31] <ali1234> seems they didn't realise the problem until i mentioned it though
[18:31] <brainwash> it's an user upstart script, right?
[18:32] <knome> elfy, or just be the nasty friend who wants to mess up his mates pc :P
[18:33] <elfy> :)
[18:33] <elfy> so I made sure to use loads of symbols from a uk keyboard layout too :p
[18:34] <knome> uaah :D
[18:34] <knome> well you're not testing if you can't log in... ;)
[18:35] <knome> did you run ubiquity in debug mode?
[18:35] <knome> also, did you remember to grab the logs when the dialog appeared?
[18:35] <knome> sorry for babysitting... i might be a bit uptight atm..
[18:36] <elfy> running ubiquity in debug mode - it's still cooking :)
[18:36] <knome> oki
[18:36] <knome> great
[18:36] <knome> that's a semi-nasty bug really...
[18:37] <elfy> yea
[18:40] <elfy> knome: it's finished now - waiting for a response from him
[18:41] <knome> elfy, i don't think it matters when you *attach* the logs, i think it matters when you *grab* them
[18:41] <knome> and you should grab them while installing, or at least that was "ok"
[18:46] <knome> elfy, will you paste the required links for guest2152352 for doing and LTS->LTS upgrade test and reporting it?
[18:46] <knome> elfy, he should be here shortly
[18:47] <elfy> knome: can only paste the daily tests
[18:47] <knome> elfy, was thinking u1/lp account stuff and that..
[18:48] <elfy> oic 
[18:48] <elfy> not sure there are any of those
[18:48] <elfy> anyway ... 
[18:49] <elfy> guest2152352: hi - you're willing to do LTS to LTS tests I'm told :)
[18:49] <elfy> do you have a Launchpad account?
[18:50] <guest2152352> Probably not.  If I do I've long since forgotten.
[18:50] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/ top right - register
[18:50] <elfy> then on the new page create account
[18:52] <guest2152352> Mmm, yup, already had one hehe.
[18:53] <guest2152352> So I'm logged in now.
[18:54] <elfy> excellent - so all I can give you at the moment are the links to the daily tests - we're still waiting for our RC image to appear
[18:54] <elfy> but the system is the same
[18:54] <elfy> the final images will be http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds
[18:55] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases for 64 bit upgrade testing
[18:55] <ali1234> bug 1307657
[18:55] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65286/testcases for 32 bit
[18:56] <knome> ali1234, thanks, a perfect report
[18:56] <elfy> guest2152352: when you are on the upgrade test pages - there are 2 sets Desktop upgrade and LTS desktop upgrade (Precise) - these are the ones we are interested in 
[18:56] <elfy> ali1234 knome - I'll try to get that confirmed as soon as I can
[18:58] <elfy> knome: as I expected - upgrade via image where I forgot what name I had or was a nasty friend - I now have /home/hob and /home/elfy
[18:59] <elfy> ali1234: will a virtual setup be ok to confirm that bug?
[18:59] <ali1234> yeah it should be fine
[18:59] <elfy> ok 
[19:00] <knome> elfy, and i guess hob/elfy are both admins?
[19:00] <elfy> didn't look at that 
[19:01] <knome> well you could do that
[19:01] <knome> because that would be the total takeover method
[19:01] <knome> from GUI !!
[19:01] <knome> i'll start carrying my desktop pc around wherever i go
[19:02] <guest2152352> Ooookay, sorry for delay I'm at work right now hehe.  Anywho.
[19:02] <guest2152352> Elfy: So how would I cause my system to take this upgrade?
[19:03] <knome> guest2152352, 'update-manager -d' (GUI) or 'sudo release-upgrade -d' (CLI)
[19:03] <knome> guest2152352, or: read the testcase
[19:04] <knome> guest2152352, ...because you will need to report the result in the tracker anyway :)
[19:04] <guest2152352> Ahh, I see.
[19:05] <knome> also see the "bugs to look for" section
[19:05] <knome> for... bugs to... look for, you know ;)
[19:07] <elfy> knome: can't remember what the password was for hob - will reset it and check a bit later
[19:07] <elfy> but I would assume that as it was an admin account it still will be 
[19:08] <knome> yes, i'm sure
[19:08] <knome> but the new account, is that an admin as well?
[19:08] <elfy> yea
[19:09] <elfy> I just sudo -i'd to change the other ones password - but it says it doesn't exist
[19:09] <knome> please note that in the bug
[19:09] <knome> heh, so i guess the account has been deleted, but data kept
[19:09] <knome> so even worse
[19:09] <elfy> once I know what I know - I'll add it
[19:09] <knome> the person who owns the pc now doesn't have an ccount at all
[19:09] <knome> but the evil friend does
[19:09] <elfy> yea
[19:18] <elfy> knome: ok - so how about this then, nasty friend has upgraded with an image and used a different name - the old /home/hob folders are all completely gone
[19:23] <knome> are they?
[19:23] <elfy> yep
[19:23] <knome> huhu
[19:23] <knome> and you are sure the old username was "hob" ?
[19:24] <elfy> yes - I can see the folder :)
[19:24] <knome> so it's not completely gone?
[19:24] <elfy> just empty 
[19:24] <knome> or all the contents are?
[19:24] <knome> hmm... did you check with sudo?
[19:24] <elfy> well it had .cache and a few .bash files
[19:25] <knome> should it have had more?
[19:25] <knome> i guess the installer does some kind of deluser process...
[19:25] <elfy> well it should at least have Desktop Downloads Pictures etc surely
[19:25] <knome> i guess
[19:25] <knome> now sauna
[19:25] <elfy> :)
[19:25] <knome> will be back after that
[19:25] <elfy> cya later
[19:33] <wabbla> hi all, i still don't have the sound-icon in the indicator-panel. i know there was a bug in 14.04 which should be fixed now. but not for me as it appears.
[19:40] <guest2152352> elfy / knome: I have another question; I cannot remember whether my current install is 32 or 64-bit.  How would I check that, to know which testcase to respond to?
[19:41] <amigamagic> uname -r
[19:41] <elfy> -a
[19:42] <amigamagic> you are right. -a
[19:42] <amigamagic> on a debian distro -r is sufficient
[19:42] <amigamagic> on ubuntu you have to use "uname -a"
[19:44] <amigamagic> for example, on a debian 7 stable, uname -r => 3.2.0-4-amd64. On xubuntu 14.04: "3.13.0-24-generic". I wonder why this difference...
[19:45] <ali1234> intherye: make sure you have all updates and install indicator-sound and add a indicator-plugin on your panel...
[19:45] <elfy> wrong channel perhaps? 
[19:46] <ali1234> no, changed nick
[19:46] <elfy> :)
[19:46] <amigamagic> ali1234, by chance, have you checked my bug report on launchpad?
[19:46] <ali1234> oh sorry i forgot, hang on
[19:46] <amigamagic> no problem, take your time :)
[19:46] <elfy> ali1234: just installing ubuntu-desktop 
[19:46] <ali1234> confirmed
[19:47] <amigamagic> wow, are you Flash Gordon ?
[19:47] <amigamagic> :D
[19:47] <ali1234> i already reproduced it
[19:47] <amigamagic> ah, ok... :)
[19:48] <amigamagic> so the test case is reproducible in all 3 points?
[19:48] <ali1234> well, i did notice a slight delay. assumed that was disk cache though?
[19:48] <ali1234> i guess that would still show in the filesystem
[19:49] <amigamagic> I checked in the file system and the file were created only after 8 seconds
[19:49] <ali1234> point 3 is because of the panel struts
[19:49] <ali1234> so that's not really a bug
[19:49] <amigamagic> do you mean that it subtracts the panel height?
[19:49] <ali1234> exactly
[19:49] <amigamagic> ah, ok
[19:50] <ali1234> or width if the panel is vertical
[19:50] <intherye> ali1234:  i have xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.2-0ubuntu2. i have the icon for power and the application indicators, but sound is missing, although it's  listed in the properties and it's not hidden. would clear known indicators help?
[19:50] <ali1234> probably not. are you sure you have indicator-sound installed?
[19:51] <intherye> yes. and indicator-sound-gtk2
[19:51] <ali1234> you should not need -gtk2 any more
[19:52] <ali1234> what happens if you run /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
[19:54] <elfy> ali1234: so - installed xubuntu - ubuntu-desktop, rebooted and logged into xubuntu session - what is it you are expecting me to see - because at the moment it looks fine here
[19:54] <ali1234> elfy: what is the value of echo $UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[19:55] <elfy> 1
[19:55] <ali1234> that means that menuproxy should be active and all your windows should have no menus
[19:55] <ali1234> also desktop should crash like crazy when you run things like firefox
[19:56] <ali1234> you might see menus in the indicator sometimes
[19:56] <elfy> menus in things like transmission gmusicbrowser are ok 
[19:56] <ali1234> is the indicator-appmenu hidden in theplugin?
[19:56] <elfy> trying firefox
[19:56] <intherye> ali1234: i get some errors (http://pastebin.com/jMGVJ1Hs), but the icon is here. i also deinstalled -gtk2 and killed and restarted the panel. the icon is here now. will check with logout and login.
[19:56] <ali1234> some menus work okay, and will show in the indicator
[19:58] <elfy> mmm
[19:58] <ali1234> if you check on a machine without unity installed you should have UBUNTU_MENUPROXY unset
[19:59] <elfy> echoes nothing on this machine
[19:59] <ali1234> right
[19:59] <elfy> ali1234: I assume you did this on hardware?
[20:00] <intherye> ali1234: cool. it
[20:00] <ali1234> no, i have not tried it
[20:00] <elfy> ali1234: oh right - well I see no issue here
[20:00] <ali1234> hmm :/
[20:00] <ali1234> i guess i'll make a VM and test it then
[20:01] <intherye> ali1234: ... it's here now. i wonder if i installed indicator-sound-gtk manually or if it was here from the previous release. thanks anyway.
[20:01] <elfy> I'll install ubuntu into the older install on this machine see if I see different on hardware
[20:01] <elfy> ali1234: ^^
[20:01] <ali1234> if you have been upgrading there is a good chance things could get a bit messed up
[20:01] <ali1234> elfy: hardware should not make any difference at all
[20:02] <elfy> ok - well it's there at the moment doing nothing waiting to become 14.10 shortly
[20:02] <elfy> so it's no hardship if it goes completely belly up
[20:03] <ali1234> i know that appmenu can be made to "work"
[20:03] <ali1234> because i tried it once and it crashed all the things
[20:03] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:03] <ali1234> in theory it should be activated if ubuntu-desktop is installed because there's nothing else that you need
[20:04] <ali1234> but maybe you need some other package that tricks something
[20:04] <ali1234> unlike -sound etc it doesn't have a backend that is started by upstart
[20:04] <elfy> jhenke: good night
[20:05] <elfy> ali1234: http://imagebin.org/305531
[20:05] <ali1234> instead the apps themselves load an extra gtk module if the env var is set, that causes them to push the menus onto dbus (and maybe also hide them)
[20:05] <ali1234> what do you see in the plugin config?
[20:07] <ali1234> also what happens if you log in to unity, then log out, then log in to xfce?
[20:07] <ali1234> without rebooting of course
[20:08] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/305532
[20:09] <ali1234> hmm so indicator-appmenu isn't in there
[20:10] <elfy> I'll install it then shall I
[20:10] <ali1234> ??
[20:10] <ali1234> it should be installed with ubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <ali1234> do you have appmenus in unity?
[20:10] <ali1234> hmmmm.....
[20:12] <elfy> it is installed
[20:12] <ali1234> did you install ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop^?
[20:12] <elfy> I have no idea if I have appmenus - wouldn't know what they look like
[20:12] <ali1234> "global menus"
[20:12] <elfy> I installed ubuntu-desktop
[20:12] <ali1234> like OS X
[20:13] <elfy> lol - no idea what that lookslike either
[20:13] <ali1234> you know menus?
[20:13] <ali1234> they go into the top panel...
[20:13] <elfy> do you mean the menu that sits in the bar at the top?
[20:13] <ali1234> yes
[20:13] <elfy> yea - got those
[20:13] <ali1234> indicator-appmenu is responsible for that
[20:13] <ali1234> and it blows up in Xfce, if it is installed
[20:14] <ali1234> or at least, that's the theory
[20:14] <elfy> ok - so I logged out of xubuntu into unity - will logout and back into xubuntu
[20:16] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/305535
[20:16] <elfy> all looks ok still here 
[20:19] <ali1234> there's no backend service though
[20:19] <ali1234> and task manager has no menus anyway
[20:20] <ali1234> do you have two panels?
[20:20] <elfy> yep
[20:20] <ali1234> okay
[20:20] <elfy> I can do whatever you want to this 
[20:21] <ali1234> okay i installed ubuntu-desktop^
[20:21] <ali1234> and Application Menus (Global Menu) now shows in the plugin after i restarted the panel
[20:21] <ali1234> but i didn't lose any menus... yet
[20:22] <ali1234> but now i did
[20:22] <ali1234> i have a file menu on the indicator... lol
[20:22] <ali1234> and firefox has no menu
[20:23] <ali1234> however, when the indicator is hidden it doesn't do anything
[20:25] <elfy> mmm wonder what's different here then
[20:25] <ali1234> maybe ubuntu-desktop^ - it installs more stuff
[20:25] <ali1234> brb rebooting
[20:26] <ali1234> i don't have all distro packages - some are built from source
[20:27] <ali1234> transmission instantly crashes the panel
[20:28] <elfy> mmm - I'm in xfce session and it won't logout from the 'ubuntu' cog
[20:28] <ali1234> yeah that's a known bug
[20:28] <elfy> oh ok 
[20:28] <knome> elfy, lderan: about to do more upgrade tests?
[20:29] <knome> i have a quest for you!
[20:29] <knome> i think i know why i hit the nasty lightdm bug
[20:29] <knome> but i think it's a bug that i hit it.
[20:29] <knome> well, obviously...
[20:29] <knome> the fact i hit it was because i was trying to avoid another bug
[20:30] <elfy> I don't like quests 
[20:31] <knome> elfy, adventures better?
[20:31] <knome> anyway
[20:31] <knome> before upgrading,
[20:31] <knome> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-default-settings
[20:31] <knome> then upgrade
[20:31] <knome> then you should be left without a graphical login
[20:31] <knome> because /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf is... faulty
[20:32] <Noskcaj> Did i miss anything in the last few days?
[20:32] <knome> quite a lot.
[20:33] <elfy> knome: ok - I'll check that while I'm doing upgrades
[20:33] <knome> elfy, cheers
[20:35] <knome> in which logfile are the stuff from tty1 again?
[20:38] <texadactyl> elfy, any idea when the RC ISO will be available?
[20:39] <texadactyl> Looking for it in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/
[20:40] <elfy> knome: no idea
[20:40] <elfy> texadactyl: they're building as I type - though xubuntu is usually last ... 
[20:41] <texadactyl> ok
[20:41] <Unit193> elfy: Nice, that should pick up the changes.
[20:41] <knome> Unit193, ^
[20:42] <Unit193> knome: Yeees?
[20:42] <knome> in which logfile are the stuff from tty1 again?
[20:42] <knome> or messages about wireless stuff generally
[20:42] <Unit193> Hmmm.  I'd check the normal stuff, but install logs are in /var/log/installer/
[20:43] <texadactyl> `dmesg` output should have it
[20:43] <Unit193> Yep, that's one of the normal ones, that and syslog.
[20:44] <knome> can't see the message i'm looking for in either
[20:44] <Unit193> Which is...?
[20:44] <knome> Unit193, got a message about the wireless not working with the module i had, then an URL...
[20:45] <texadactyl> /var/log/udev
[20:46] <texadactyl> also, /dev/log/auth.log
[20:46] <texadactyl> both of them
[20:46] <knome> nope...
[20:46] <Unit193> All else fails...
[20:46] <texadactyl> that's where I see /dev/tty1 references
[20:47] <texadactyl> `dmesg` shows kernel messages which should include all hardware (E.g. wireless)
[20:52] <ali1234> okay, rebooted and everything is the same
[20:53] <ali1234> when the indicator is hidden in the plugin everything works normally for me
[20:53] <ali1234> after restarting the panel
[20:54] <texadactyl> that #@$%^&*!!! indicator ... drove me crackers
[20:54] <elfy> texadactyl: we're talking about bug 1307657
[20:55] <texadactyl> yeah I know
[20:55] <knome> texadactyl, calm down and keep the attitude and language family-friendly
[20:56] <texadactyl> But I self-censored!!  (=:
[20:56] <knome> that's not acceptable either
[20:56] <texadactyl> I should have put a happy face after my remark
[20:56] <knome> no, you should have refrained from sending that message
[20:58] <lderan> knome, quests sounds good
[20:59] <knome> 23:31  knome: before upgrading,
[20:59] <knome> 23:31  knome: sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-default-settings
[20:59] <knome> 23:31  knome: then upgrade
[20:59] <knome> 23:31  knome: then you should be left without a graphical login
[20:59] <knome> 23:31  knome: because /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf is... faulty
[20:59] <lderan> aye was reading that part :P
[20:59] <knome> yep, that's the quest
[20:59] <knome> i hit that bug with both lts->lts and 13.10->lts
[21:00] <lderan> shall boot a vm up
[21:00] <Unit193> Wait, you broke lightdm on upgrade? 0_o
[21:01] <knome> lightdm config
[21:01] <knome> when xubuntu-default-settings is not installed.
[21:01] <Unit193> Of course.
[21:01] <knome> leaves lightdm.conf with:
[21:01] <knome> user-session=
[21:01] <knome> greeter-session=
[21:02] <Unit193> lightdm-set-defaults is weird.
[21:02] <elfy> weirder than that - it's gone
[21:03] <Unit193> I know.
[21:04] <starrats> should I even attempt to update/upgrade later on?
[21:05] <knome> starrats, you want to help but are afraid of anything breaking?
[21:05] <starrats> not afraid
[21:06] <starrats> but don't know how to repair the break, really haven't ever fixed a breakage of linux, sorry
[21:10] <knome> starrats, obviously, people are here to help you
[21:11] <starrats> I Have just completed update with no problems, currently upgrading atm
[21:12] <knome> starrats, make sure you report the test on the tracker
[21:12] <starrats> ok
[21:12] <elfy> there isn't a testcase for an update/upgrade that I know of
[21:13] <knome> dist-upgrade?
[21:13] <knome> i thought we were talking about release upgrade.
[21:15] <elfy> starrats: we're right in the last few days of release week - all we really want to be talking about is image testing and what's going on with them
[21:15] <starrats> well all update/upgrade/dist-upgrade went as smooth as silk, one of the fastest terms ever for the three
[21:15] <starrats> ah ok
[21:16] <elfy> if you start talking about update/upgrade tests then we will assume you mean an upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 or 12.04 to 14.04
[21:16] <starrats> ah ok sorry
[21:16] <knome> so...
[21:16] <elfy> we're really not interested in normal updates at all currently - it's too late for that now
[21:16] <starrats> ok
[21:16] <knome> did anybody else get left with a huge amount of icons under the "settings" menu?
[21:16] <knome> or, to be exact, we're interested in normal updates only if there are regressions
[21:17] <knome> but that's the case always
[21:17] <knome> we never specifically log updates
[21:17] <elfy> knome: in the 12.04 to 14.04 update re settings menu?
[21:18] <elfy> if that's the case then afaik that's as expected as it not having whiskermenu
[21:18] <Unit193> knome: You removed xubuntu-default-settings, it's expected if you didn't change the menu layout settings.
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, but i reinstalled it...
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, and i diffed xdg dirs, and they are the same as on my desktop
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, ...from which i also removed xubuntu-default-settings before upgrading
[21:19] <Unit193> knome: .config/
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, that too.
[21:19] <knome> (diffed)
[21:19] <knome> actually, the menus-dir is empty for the new installation
[21:20] <knome> shouldn't it just resort to the xdg dirs in that case anyway
[21:20] <knome> elfy, not really, have it working on my desktop without whisker
[21:20] <knome> wait
[21:20] <knome> hmm
[21:20] <knome> yeah, i have no settings submenu
[21:37] <elfy> gtg - back in the morning for a short while - likely to be working all day tomorrow though
[21:44] <texadactyl> General question: Since xubuntu-default-settings is installed with 12.04.xx, what set of circumstances might remove it other than an operator manually doing this and thus removing xubuntu-desktop at the same time?
[21:50] <knome> texadactyl, it's not a common scenario, but since there is a packaging bug/issue with -default-settings, it's a possible scenario
[21:50] <knome> no, you probably won't accidentally remove it
[21:51] <knome> bluesabre will probably have fun with all of my menulibre bugs
[21:58] <texadactyl> Thanks.  So, the probability of the general population running into this is small.  I had the 1307657 symptom for a week and then it went away after a large upgrade which included xfce4 packages.  I wish that I had kept better track of things but I was very busy with my day job at the time.
[21:59] <knome> when you reference to bugs, please use the format bug 1307657 so the bot picks them up
[21:59] <knome> ^ as you see
[21:59] <texadactyl> ah, my bad
[22:09] <knome> slickymaster, you still around?
[22:35] <knome> slickymaster, want to continue the sprint?
[22:36] <knome> got my wife's laptop install ready and the user landed to bed, now free to work on other things ;)
[22:36] <slickymaster> yeaps knome 
[22:36] <slickymaster> was about to ping you on that
[22:36] <slickymaster> give just a second to browse through my mail
[22:37] <knome> np, will need to run some small errands myself
[22:38] <knome> lderan, join us; http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Tour
[22:38] <lderan> okay :)
[22:39] <knome> hey brainwash 
[22:40] <brainwash> :P
[22:46] <Noskcaj>  knome is that a tour similar to on the ubuntu website? i.e. a mini vm
[22:47] <knome> vm?
[22:47] <knome> ah, no
[22:51] <Noskcaj> I wonder how hard it would be to add a xubuntu online tour.
[22:53] <knome> á la the ubuntu mini-vm?
[22:53] <Noskcaj> yep
[22:53] <knome> well, pay me for one months work and i'll get it done ;)
[22:53] <knome> it's a relatively complex project with all the little things going on
[22:57] <Noskcaj> knome, I'll add that to my list of reasons each flavour needs a paid dev
[22:59] <olbi> hi guys :D
[22:59] <knome> Noskcaj, ack
[22:59] <knome> slickymaster, do you use firefox?
[22:59] <Noskcaj> hey olbi 
[22:59] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Welcome to pkg-multimedia
[23:00] <Unit193> >_>
[23:00] <Unit193> Stalker. ;)
[23:00] <Noskcaj> :)
[23:00] <slickymaster> nopes, knome 
[23:00] <slickymaster> chrome
[23:00] <knome> aha
[23:00] <knome> seems to have stylish as well
[23:00] <knome> install that
[23:00] <slickymaster> hey Noskcaj, Unit193 o/
[23:00] <knome> (plugin)
[23:01] <Noskcaj> hey slickymaster 
[23:01] <Unit193> slickymaster: Howdy.
[23:01] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Also, would have to be approved.
[23:01] <slickymaster> what plugin lderan 
[23:01] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I just approved you
[23:01] <knome> slickymaster, stylish
[23:01] <slickymaster> bah, not lderan but Noskcaj 
[23:01] <Unit193> Oh.
[23:01] <Noskcaj> That's why the "Welcome to the team"
[23:01] <slickymaster> arghh
[23:01] <lderan> slickymaster, :P
[23:01] <knome> slickymaster, lol ;)
[23:01] <Unit193> Hah, I lose.
[23:01] <knome> slickymaster, you are at loss!
[23:02] <slickymaster> knome: /finally where is that plugin available?
[23:02] <knome> slickymaster, lol, chrome app store
[23:02] <slickymaster> I'll be damn if I'm not going dumb
[23:03] <slickymaster> give me a second knome 
[23:03] <knome> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish/npikillpmgojgbdikjjeihibdlhncili
[23:03] <knome> ^ that's it
[23:03] <slickymaster> already instaleed
[23:03] <knome> okay
[23:03] <slickymaster> sigh
[23:03] <knome> add a new style then
[23:03] <slickymaster> installed
[23:04] <knome> slickymaster, then paste this to the style: http://pastebin.com/pXcwPdwr
[23:04] <knome> and preview
[23:04] <knome> and the chat will be shown completely
[23:05] <slickymaster> don't like most of the names of the given styles
[23:05] <knome> lol
[23:05] <knome> just create a new one
[23:05] <knome> and name it "kittens in the garden" ;)
[23:05] <slickymaster> it's better
[23:06] <knome> yep... it now shows the whole chat
[23:07] <lderan> huzzah
[23:07] <knome> anybody registered at userstyles.org?
[23:08] <lderan> i am now :P
[23:09] <knome> feel free to upload that piece of junk ;P
[23:11] <lderan> http://userstyles.org/styles/100327/ubuntu-pad-chat-fix there you go
[23:11] <knome> great, thanks
[23:11] <knome> (c) lderan ;)
[23:11] <knome> don't mind though:P
[23:11] <lderan> oops
[23:11] <knome> it's really... nothing
[23:11] <lderan> theres no option to change it ;_;
[23:12] <knome> that's fine, i was just joking
[23:12] <lderan> :P
[23:12] <knome> if i'd be anal about it, i would have registered myself
[23:12] <lderan> aye lol
[23:15] <guest2152352> And I'm back from work, with another question: Following along on the test case instructions, step 4 says run update-manager -d -c, then click the upgrade button.  The upgrade that it is offering me is 12.10. Should it not be 14.04? I am on 12.04.4 LTS.
[23:15] <knome> with -d, it should offer 14.04, weird.
[23:15] <knome> Unit193!
[23:15] <knome> Unit193, where's the conf in 12.04 for only select LTS upgrades?
[23:16] <Unit193> In /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[23:18] <guest2152352> Alter prompt from normal to lts?
[23:18] <guest2152352> It is currently set to normal.
[23:20] <guest2152352> Actually.
[23:21] <guest2152352> Step 2 of the test instructions says to set update-manager to look 'for any newer version'.  If I ignore that step and tell it to look for LTS versions instead, it offers 14.04.
[23:22] <knome> huzzah, a bug in the testcase
[23:22] <slickymaster> I'll take it
[23:22] <guest2152352> Well, yay, hehe.  Anyways, 14.04 is what I do actually want, correct?
[23:23] <knome> guest2152352, yep.
[23:23] <guest2152352> Got it, thanks.
[23:23] <slickymaster> hmm, not sure. That's one of elfy's babies
[23:23] <knome> slickymaster, nah, go ahead
[23:23] <knome> slickymaster, i can push it to production once you are ready
[23:23] <guest2152352> BTW if somebody plans to edit that...
[23:24] <guest2152352> It may be helpful to clarify that by 'run software sources', it means 'click the settings button'. >.>  Took me a sec to get it, but maybe I'm slow.
[23:25] <slickymaster> guest2152352: can you post the link to the testcase so I wan't lose time searching it
[23:25]  * slickymaster hides in shame for not having it bookmarked
[23:25] <slickymaster> s/lose/loose
[23:26] <guest2152352> slickymaster: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1635/info  
[23:27] <slickymaster> thanks for TheDrums at guest2152352 
[23:27] <slickymaster> :)
[23:27] <slickymaster> tomorrow elfy will poke me with his stick for this one
[23:28] <knome> hah
[23:29] <amigamagic> someone knows why thunar is so slow in browsing an smb folder the first time?
[23:29] <knome> amigamagic, #xubuntu please
[23:29] <amigamagic> ok but it's related to the last xfce 4.11
[23:30] <slickymaster> knome: is it worth to file a bug? I think it would be faster just to edit the test, right?
[23:30] <amigamagic> or is it very slow on previous versions too?
[23:30] <knome> slickymaster, if you're doing it right now, don't file a bug
[23:30] <slickymaster> I'n accessing the test in LP as we speak
[23:31] <slickymaster> preparing to branch it
[23:31] <knome> slickymaster, you can even paste the new testcase content into a pastebin, and i can push it directly to the main branch + tracker
[23:31] <slickymaster> faster would be impossible
[23:31] <knome> pretty much
[23:36] <slickymaster> guest2152352: not sure if it's really need to clarify that step
[23:37] <slickymaster> knome: ^^what do you think?
[23:37] <slickymaster> I mean about guest2152352 suggestion on the clarification of run software sources meaning click the settings button
[23:39] <guest2152352> It's no biggy either way.  I just initially thought it meant I was to launch a separate program, not alter the settings in the one I was in.  Took all of a few seconds to realize, though; probably immediately obvious to people who do this sort of thing more regularly.
[23:39] <knome> i think it's borderline insignificant, but it can't hurt to mention it i guess
[23:39] <knome> well, we want to enable and encourage new people to run tests, so...
[23:39] <slickymaster> ok, I'll change that too
[23:45] <slickymaster> knome: http://pastebin.com/tbDeCxZz
[23:46] <knome> ta, will get to it now
[23:47] <knome> does the image-test need changes?
[23:47] <knome> i guess not
[23:47] <slickymaster> I don't think so, also
[23:48] <knome> in branch and tracker
[23:49] <amigamagic> knome, I don't know if I should report here, but being that I use often vmware player, I noticed that on 14.04 the vmware player bundle you can download from vmware official site doesn't work.
[23:49] <amigamagic> The installation hangs when it want to compile the module vmnet. I think it's because the kernel 3.13 has something that the vmware installer doesn't like.
[23:49] <amigamagic> After many search I found this link: http://ping8888.com/2013/12/13/vmware-modules-kernel-3-13/, I followed the procedure and it works! Now I have vmware player working on xubuntu 14.04 too!
[23:50] <knome> well it's a vmware problem, not sure how useful it is for people here
[23:50] <knome> i don't think many of our testers use it
[23:50] <knome> but it's the same with virtualbox; they keep regressing because they do not support all the new kernel (or other) features
[23:51] <slickymaster> knome: you can drop a line in -quality to balloons saying "Already fixed. xubuntu team's commitment to the rigor is serious"
[23:51] <amigamagic> ok, sorry if the info was not relevant in this channel
[23:52] <slickymaster> you didn't, I did
[23:53] <knome> hehe, yeah, had already posted my rant ;)
[23:54] <slickymaster> knome: give me a minute to have a smoke and we'll continue with what we were doing
[23:54] <knome> sure