[00:17] ok I filed the bug on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813 [00:17] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10813 in General "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Minor,New] [00:48] Greetings. [00:48] I'm trying to find out if this is a bug or not but... [00:49] When I have gmusicbrowser playing music, or streaming from a site, most times when the screen locks the music stops playing until I unlock the machine, but sometimes it continues [00:49] I expect music to continue to play while the machine is locked, not to stop. [00:52] it isn't just gmusicbrowser either, it's through a flash player in a browser through internet radio, and other sources as well. [00:53] I think it continuing is a bug [00:53] If you are playing the music, you don't want to stop it if the screen goes in saving mode so, at least from an user perspective, it's a bug. [00:54] really? One would think that if a computer is locked, all processes would continue as normal, you're just preventing someone from accessing the computer. [00:55] yes. Maybe screen lock halts all the interactive processes the user started in its graphical session. [00:55] pleia2, BTW, I was at my library today and gave them your email address for an 'We use Xubuntu for' segment. Now for them to contact you. [00:55] RFleming: great, thank you :) [00:56] if someone is interested I filed a bug report on launchpad too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251 [00:56] Launchpad bug 1307251 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Undecided,New] [00:57] amigamagic, Interactive processes should not be halted... period. There are instances where that is LEAST desirable. [00:57] at my office, with Windows machines, it is quite common for someone to be post processing a very large dataset on a computer and locking the machine to prevent interference. [00:58] RFleming, I agree with you if you had not realized... :) [00:59] I know, was just further bolstering my argument through an ally :) [01:00] pleia2, I'd say that 66% of the time it blocks, the other 33% it works as 'expected' [01:00] RFleming: goofy thing [01:00] pleia2, I have kids, so I have a quick lock time... I usually have several remote sessions into work running, and do NOT want them tampering [01:00] :) [01:01] whatever the expected behavior, it should be consistant, so there is a bug somewhere :) [01:01] my daughter calls herself, my mini-manager-assistant. [01:01] hehe [01:02] pleia2, I've looked in launchpad, but I haven't mastered it like I have google searches, so I can't find it if it exists. [01:02] I'm assuming it exists, as my current bug finding score is 0 on tens of bugs I've found :) [01:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/18415 [01:03] Launchpad bug 18415 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Allow media controls to function when the screen is locked." [Wishlist,Triaged] [01:03] ah, no [01:03] that's media *controls* [01:25] knome: uploaded [05:00] Where do the Unruly Unicorn proposals go? :P [05:27] ...lawl [05:28] Unit193: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [05:38] Logan_: Nonono, we all know that's ignored except for laughs. :P [05:44] (Though I do like the Uakari one better.) [06:36] morning folks [06:37] hi jhenke [06:43] woot - volman fix released [07:14] quite some unicormn lovers for 14.10 [08:52] No bluetooth changes yet? [09:50] Do you get dual instances of some things in the indicator panel? [09:51] In the latest Ubuntu Studio I'm seeing power and calendar twice, though they are not the same power and the same calendar (the double is another kind of indicator) [09:52] zequence: unneeded indicators are still being installed [09:52] the dependency issue is not resolved yet [09:52] brainwash: Ok [09:53] in xubuntu we hide the xfce4-power-manager tray icon by default [09:53] Logan_, thank you very much! [09:53] so only indicator-power should be visible on mobile devices [09:54] there is a bug in top right corner, after the clock there is blank place, but when I click there than there is keyboard and language menu :P [09:54] Logan_: thanks :) [09:54] Right, I forgot to mention what olbi just said [09:54] knome, sorry if I bother you, did you see my bug report on launchpad to check if it's all right or I've done something wrong there? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1307251 [09:54] Launchpad bug 1307251 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Low,Confirmed] [09:55] olbi: indicator-keyboard will be not part of the default installation (final release) [09:55] oh, ok :D [09:55] the wallpapaer bug is still exist :/ [09:55] you can use this indicator, but you need to configure it via gnome-control-center [09:55] brainwash: So, you're dropping it from seeds? [09:55] zequence: we plan to [09:55] olbi, what wallpaper bug? [09:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1297170 [09:56] Launchpad bug 1297170 in One Hundred Papercuts "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [Low,Confirmed] [09:56] cyphermox, good day [09:56] I have only xfce wallpaper and nothing more :/ [09:56] olbi, aha.. [09:56] amigamagic, looks okay [09:57] olbi: new user account? [09:57] after instalation [09:57] and upgrade the whole system [09:57] please create a new user account and log in to verify it [09:57] ok [09:59] knome, ok, thanks... I spent much time to make reproducible tests and check the changes in the ~/.config/xfce/desktop folder, so I'm happy if I could have been of help. [09:59] :) [10:00] yes, after creating another account all is ok [10:01] ok [10:01] so it should be fine [10:03] but after first installation I need to create another account? :P [10:05] when did you install xubuntu? [10:06] it should be fixed since 2014-04-09 (daily image) [10:15] yes, it was this image :) [10:15] maybe I should dl new one? [10:18] if you don't mind testing it [10:20] hmm, strange, when I add new user, it wasn't be in sudoers :P [10:21] slickymasterWork, poke in the eye [10:24] should a translation bug of a task manager column for the italian language be only on bugzilla or on launchpad too? [10:25] brainwash, i can't confirm bug 1297170 on today's ISO [10:25] bug 1297170 in One Hundred Papercuts "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297170 [10:25] i'll install now, but i'm pretty sure it's not broken [10:33] olbi: new users are create with the standard template, you need change it manually to "administrator" [10:34] knome: just to make sure :) [10:34] brainwash, yep. [10:36] yep, no xfce wallpaper here [11:24] I should file this bug on launchpad too: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10817 ? [11:24] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10817 in General "bad italian translation for UID column in task manager" [Minor,New] [11:34] hmm, you cant update the translation files for installer before first general update of LTS? [11:35] honestly, I don't know [11:35] and some icons in whisker menu which are depend on exo too :] [11:36] In my opinion, You should brake some rules about freezing feature like translation files :D [11:39] I don't think the ubuntu team is so rigid on these things. They are already correcting many things before the official release. But I don't know if the ubuntu team could make changes at xfce translation files before the official xfce team. [11:41] if they want spread around the world, not only english countries, they need to :) some things in dash doesn't work good in my language :P [11:42] olbi, translations in xfce trunk/transifex are a completely different thing than translations in the ubuntu packages [11:43] olbi, there is no simple way to just "update translations", it would need manual work, and it would mean the packages would become more separated from the debian packages [11:44] olbi, so as long as there are no new releases well before the feature freeze, it's unlikely that the translations land into the release fully/at all [11:45] knome, do you think I should file that language bug report on launchpad too, or it's ok to have it only on bugzilla.xfce.org? [11:45] amigamagic, what language bug report? [11:45] right, that [11:46] umh, no, just fix it in transifex once you are approved to the translation team [11:46] ok, thanks! :) [11:47] it'll propagate to ubuntu some point [11:47] +at [11:48] knome: so the best way to update translation in Xubuntu is waiting for new release of package in debian? [11:48] olbi, new xfce upstream release [11:48] olbi, that'll then make its way to debian, and then ubuntu [11:49] ok, so for now I need to w8 with promoting Xubuntu in my country :( [11:49] olbi, or if debian doesn't package it, we can package it specifically for xubuntu, but we're not going to do that just for translations [11:50] olbi, why isn't there a polish translation of the xubuntu docs? [11:50] olbi, that would help a lot, even if the apps were in english. [11:50] it is still going :] I have very little time for it [11:50] I'm working in 2 jobs now, one in UK, second in Poland [11:51] second is telework :P [11:51] I will try finish the docs in one month [11:53] olbi, sure, i understand, but try to see it this way: the xubuntu doc team has created a completely new, updated version of the docs, and have told all languages with at least 80% translated strings will be shipped with the release; by doing this, the xubuntu team has already enabled a direct way to help make xubuntu more usable for people who don't understand english [11:55] knome, the problem here is that, that not all ppl from polish translation team are interested in translating xubuntu or docs for it, I'm doing this alone for now, sometime help from 2 - 3 ppl [11:55] i understand. [11:57] sometimes I need to w8 for approved translation in launchpad 1 - 2 weeks because person responsible for this things doesn't have time [11:57] ok, I have to go to work now, will be about 23 UTC [11:58] why aren't you in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-pl the? [11:58] *then [11:58] I'm ass member but doesn't have rights to approve [11:58] no, you're not a member of that team... [12:00] I was trying to be added there but still they need to check me, after 2 years .... :P [12:00] olbi, don't see you as pending either [12:29] zequence, ping [12:42] slickymasterWork, hey, you around? [12:58] zequence, if you happen to come around while i'm off, can you confirm on bug 1307485 that it is ok [12:58] bug 1307485 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Drop gnome-bluetooth to suggests (regression)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307485 [13:10] slickymaster, stop pinging out when i ping you! [13:25] I am now, knome [13:26] slickymaster, so, the tour page... ;) [13:27] if you're available, it's ok with me [13:27] just let me open the page [13:27] i'm semi-around [13:27] i've been neglecting my real work for some time now with xubuntu stuff, so i need to balane [13:27] *balance [13:28] I know, I also at work, but I think I'll magae to juggle more than one ball [13:28] I believe that your intention it's to rebuild from the ground up? [13:29] do you already have any specific ideas? [13:31] it's probably best to rethink the whole thing [13:31] no, i don't have any specific ideas [13:31] but we should look what our strategy document says [13:31] and then build upon on things that actually work towards our goal/vision [13:31] when you say rethink, you're just referring to the text content, right? Or is there something else involved? [13:32] we can use the colored highlight blocks [13:32] and more lively screenshots [13:32] (old ones are dropped because they were ugly) [13:33] that reminds me that I have to take new trusty screenshots to solve the 'Sex' presence in the ones we now have [13:33] lol [13:33] not *quite* yet [13:34] once the last bug fix is in, the desktop should look as it would in the final ISO [13:34] I think we should start with the text content, and once that's done, we would move to the design question [13:34] yes [13:34] should we start a pad [13:35] http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Tour [13:35] probably, no need to flood the channel [13:35] on it [13:46] knome: if there's anything I can do to assist - let me know [13:46] home and staying here now [13:46] http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Tour [13:46] if you wish to have a poke [13:47] come on in elfy [13:47] other than that, most changes should be landed or landing [13:47] yep [13:47] release notes/announcement is well prepared [13:47] flyer is... pending on pleia2 :P [13:48] ok - not looked at blog draft since the other day [13:48] poked at it today [13:48] is the wiki one started [13:48] updating the bug lists [13:48] ok [13:48] both blog and wiki are at http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Final [13:48] ok [13:48] scroll down for notes (to be in the wiki) [13:49] yep - understood [13:49] hi [13:50] knome: ah c'mon... why did you have to bump a dozen reports? :) [13:50] tried to take a peek at the /xubuntu1404tour and got this after I logged in: http://pad.ubuntu.com/openid/+login [13:50] starrats: that's because we're working on a pad for these things - you need to be in the etherpad group on Launchpad [13:51] ah okay, understand [13:51] elfy: looks like we won't resolve the black problem in time :/ [13:53] brainwash: ok - well as long as we know it can go in wherever and people that 'support' should pick it up [14:00] knome: just uploaded n-m-applet. [14:01] * knome bows [14:11] I'll try to take a look at the flyer this week [14:11] airplanes today [14:13] you're looking at planes? [14:13] #awesomejob [14:14] I love airplanes! [14:14] :) [14:14] but I'm actually riding in a couple, in addition to enjoying their company [14:17] * jhenke likes airplanes too [14:39] yeha! just got the mail that the bluetooth bug should be fixed :) [14:40] except for you :p [14:41] elfy: ? [14:41] just joking :) [14:41] okay [14:42] does somebody need to ask for a respin now? [14:43] there should be one shortly anyway, no? [14:46] apparently [14:47] there are no builds available atm [14:55] knome: Ok, so you're going through with it now? [14:58] knome: Ok, saw the bug report [15:10] zequence, yep, it's done [15:10] zequence, if you want something else bluetooth than bluez on your seed, you should change that [15:11] knome: is blueman enough? [15:11] that's what we use, should be [15:11] knome: Ok. I just added it. [15:11] we don't ship bluez either [15:12] but i'm not totally familiar with all the bluetooth stuff [15:15] It's more of a Apple thing anyway, right ;) [15:16] heh [15:17] well i use it now and then, maybe once in a year or two... [15:23] ah, no bluez but using straight blueman? [15:24] blueman depends on bluez [15:24] cyphermox, dunno, it works like that for us, i guess... [15:25] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/desktop [15:27] right [15:27] it's in the desktop-common seed [15:28] anyway, it's irrelevant [15:28] bluez does the lower-level magic for handling the devices, like setting up the transport protocols for sound, or encrypting keyboard keys [15:53] pleia2 knome - can someone ping the social media with the final build test please [15:53] on it! [15:54] I knew you would be :) [15:54] thanks [15:54] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds [15:55] it's not there yet - but it's starting to fill up [15:55] seriously? I/O error? [15:55] :P [15:55] * elfy has sent the penultimate mail to the list [15:55] knome: yep - it's seriously filling up :p [15:56] next cycle we could ask for the builds to be done in z - a order :p [15:57] think i'll just burn a dvd and don't hope the SD card to work [15:57] :) [15:58] haha, z-a order [15:58] heyyyy... i even have two blank ones [15:58] what about öbuntu, the new xubuntu spinoff by knome? [15:58] * knome hides [15:59] And, don't forget zubuntu [15:59] I can't use it because I don't have that key on my keyboard [16:00] pleia2: Use gimp to draw two dots on all the o's you send [16:00] pleia2, yeah but it has a pink wallpaper and pink highlight colors on the greybird theme [16:00] knome: oooh [16:00] zequence: haha [16:00] pleia2, and lots of kitten applications [16:00] kittens++ [16:00] ...whatever that might mean [16:00] pleia2 a common subsitute for ö is oe [16:01] jhenke, but the flavor name will be öbuntu! [16:01] not oebuntu [16:01] oebuntu [16:01] not a problem for me knome, öbuntu [16:01] german keyboard layout for the win xD [16:01] maybe it should be öbüntü [16:01] haha [16:01] ßubuntu ;) [16:01] or øbəntæ [16:02] i'm really surprised that the olympic games still do not know ä... [16:02] kaisa maekaeraeinen [16:02] who? :P [16:02] my terminal is starting to puke on characters now [16:02] :) [16:03] pũké [16:03] :P [16:04] I am glad we have unicode these days [16:19] so once new images are build, those should be clean off all the stuff that shouldn't be in there, right? [16:21] jhenke: I'm not completely sure tbh - but we can ask for rebuilds if necessary [16:24] okay, would be nice to know though, as then I would burn a classic DVD with the image and install on the netbook here, but I want to avoid having to brun an image several times [16:25] still no usb stick support on that thing :( [16:25] jhenke, you can install plop, http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ [16:29] elfy, do you rather want a regular or image upgrade? (now that i have the DVD...) [16:31] I think I would rather have regular ones done now - image ones are quikcer to do at the last minute if needed [16:32] oki [16:32] still resizing a partition [16:32] but will do a regular one then [16:32] knome thanks for the hint, but the device's BIOS is rather weired at times, I stick to normal DVD images :) [16:33] elfy, I'll test RC tomorrow. Not able to download the image over here at work, [16:34] by the way as tegra cpu is mentioned on the ML, is xubuntu build with for arm/arm64? [16:34] no [16:35] okay [16:35] could be interesting though, but I guess lack of resources for that kind of port [16:46] knome: I'm just going to wait for it to show as built in -release for the moment [16:56] did we break anything? bug 1307545 [16:56] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [17:57] knome: I won't be available until after the release unfortunately, I wish you all luck and I hope to help more next cycle [17:58] micahg, well, all the fixes we can realistically get in are uploaded... [17:58] micahg, but thanks for letting us know [18:07] somebody wants to play with an image upgrade test? [18:09] I'll play with loads - but I'm waiting to use the rc build when it appears [18:09] elfy, bug 1155167 [18:09] bug 1155167 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from image prompts creating a new user" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155167 [18:09] elfy, we got some action there, want a log from trusty now [18:09] I'm marked as that affecting me [18:10] I'll do one now for that with whatever ... [18:10] elfy, see -release [18:12] i'll go check the status of my upgrade :P [18:13] I wish I'd update the names of vms as I fiddle with them - just opened 4 to see they are all upgraded already :| [18:14] heh [18:15] yeah [18:15] what about snapshots? [18:15] ... [18:15] :p [18:15] is that like a backup ... [18:15] yep [18:16] I'm bad at them as well [18:16] save a snapshot with a state -> you can always revert to that [18:16] well that's builtin in vbox [18:16] yea [18:16] it's just pressing a button and it does a snapshot for you [18:16] i never use them either [18:16] except when i know i'm going to do several upgrade tests in a row [18:17] we should write a xfce4-random-setup script [18:17] which would randomize the setup, and output a file that says human-readably what's done [18:19] randomize it how? [18:20] i'm mostly kidding, but randomize it like doing a "real world" setup [18:21] yeah but you mean like, moving the panels around? or installing different packages? [18:21] yeah [18:21] if the script was prefixed xubuntu-, it could also randomly install/remove(?) some packages as well [18:21] so everything... [18:21] i talked to tedg about the indicator-appmenu thing that was posted on the ML [18:22] i didn't follow the ML discussion too closely... can you give me a summary? [18:22] indicator-appmenu now loads all the time [18:22] so if you have xfce and unity, you get no menus in xfce, even if you hide the indicator-appmenu visible part [18:22] :| [18:22] this seems to be a side effect of upstart changes [18:22] right [18:22] sounds like SRU material [18:23] but it is not directly related to indicators, rather than UBUNTU_MENUPROXY stuff is being set in xfce unconditionally now [18:23] so that's the global menu? [18:23] brainwash: right [18:23] mmh [18:23] it probably affects gnome as well [18:23] guess I removed that already long time ago [18:23] ali1234, where do we set it?? [18:23] knome: we don't [18:23] right [18:23] the unity people helpfully rewrote the script that used to handle it, and took out the desktop checks [18:23] what's the fix? [18:23] the fix is pester attente to fix it apparently :) [18:23] uhh... [18:24] there's nothing we can directly do [18:24] it's a unity problem [18:24] no wonder I get cynical [18:24] ok, i wouldn't mind if it landed to the final 14.04 release [18:24] ali1234, keep pestering, and ping me if you need (background) support [18:24] is there a bug for it? [18:24] any fix would be in the package unity-gtk-module-common apparently [18:24] no, i was just drafting one [18:25] okay, let me know when it's reported [18:25] would be helpful if someone could confirm all this, i haven't tested it myself [18:25] i only have the ML post to go on [18:25] elfy, while you are doing the upgrade test.... :P [18:25] what's bad about having the global menu in Xfce? [18:25] brainwash: it doesn't work [18:25] oh [18:25] and also you can't turn it off [18:25] brainwash, "you get no menus in xfce" [18:26] you have a choice between no menus, and no menus and also it crashes every 5 minutes [18:26] heyyy! [18:26] fine choices there [18:26] purge it [18:26] i think i'll go with the crash every 5 minutes [18:26] yes, but people want to install xfce and unity on the same machine - that's the problem [18:26] unity AND xfce [18:26] that's madness! [18:26] brainwash, so it's not a problem on the default ISO/installation... [18:27] yeah [18:27] so it can go in as SRU... [18:27] so apparently this script is the problem: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.14.04/view/head:/data/unity-gtk-module.conf [18:27] knome: do you think I should randomly decide to forget what the old username is in this upgrade test for that bug? [18:29] I did [18:30] ali1234: so there is nothing we can do about it other than waiting until is gets fixed by the ubuntu guys? [18:30] pretty much [18:30] alright [18:30] seems like the fix will be easy, if you know what you are doing. unfortunately i don't [18:31] seems they didn't realise the problem until i mentioned it though [18:31] it's an user upstart script, right? [18:32] elfy, or just be the nasty friend who wants to mess up his mates pc :P [18:33] :) [18:33] so I made sure to use loads of symbols from a uk keyboard layout too :p [18:34] uaah :D [18:34] well you're not testing if you can't log in... ;) [18:35] did you run ubiquity in debug mode? [18:35] also, did you remember to grab the logs when the dialog appeared? [18:35] sorry for babysitting... i might be a bit uptight atm.. [18:36] running ubiquity in debug mode - it's still cooking :) [18:36] oki [18:36] great [18:36] that's a semi-nasty bug really... [18:37] yea [18:40] knome: it's finished now - waiting for a response from him [18:41] elfy, i don't think it matters when you *attach* the logs, i think it matters when you *grab* them [18:41] and you should grab them while installing, or at least that was "ok" === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic [18:46]