[00:00] was libmpich2-3 removed on purpose and any reasoning? The page no longer exists at: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libmpich2-3 and it disappeared from the repo's a few days ago [00:02] * rww takes a look [00:03] The last change to its source package was in December :\ [00:03] oh wait no, I'm looking at the wrong page [00:04] houkouonchi-home: "superseded by mpich (3.0.4-6ubuntu1), which has already taken over most of mpich2's binary packages" [00:04] per https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpich2/+publishinghistory [00:06] rww: thanks [00:36] Can I upgrade from 12.04? [00:44] does ubuntu installer support using btrfs in automatic partitioning? [01:33] hard to believe less than 3 days [01:47] ok cats and kittens, if i have ubuntu 13.10 and do an apt-get dist-upgrade at this very moment, will it take me to the 14.04 beta? [01:47] no [01:47] !dist-upgrade [01:47] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [01:47] You're probably looking for do-release-upgrade -d [01:47] yeah, that is what i'm looking for [01:48] same question, but with do-release-upgrade, will it take me to the beta? or will that only be live on the 17th? [01:48] Arnex: -d = development version = beta [01:49] ah, okay! thanks! [01:54] rww, ubuntu-server 14.04 questions in here, right? [01:54] vonsyd0w: correct [01:55] I haven't messed w/ ubuntu server versions between 12.04 and 14.04, so I dont know if you cant install linux-image-virtual anymore. Is that correct? Are linux-image-generic and virtual the same now? === rww is now known as ubuparty === ubuparty is now known as rww [02:39] when does systemd going to be part of ubuntu? 14.04 ? [02:46] owen1: No, not 14.04. A bunch of stuff needs to be converted from upstart to systemd, so it'll be a while. [02:46] It's a major change, and it was only announced halfway through the release cycle, so... [02:46] hey is anyones rhythmbox crashing when you try to back a song? [02:48] I'd like to report a bug if this is the case [02:51] rww: got it. thank you! === dabomb63432 is now known as bandit63 === roasted_ is now known as roasted [03:46] any one succesfully built kernel 3.15rc1? [03:52] getting cannot create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d//01autoremove-kernels.dpkg-new: Permission denied [04:05] bandit63, #ubuntu+2 :P [04:09] :D [04:09] i will try to build 3.14.1 and see if it builds go from there [04:11] so it's all set this Thursday? [04:11] or i can stay here untill thursday and it will be +2 kind of [04:13] ubuntu+2 in invite only and gets you kicked [04:49] 3.14.1 builds fine so its something with 3.15rc1 oh well its time for sleep [05:41] bandit63, wait, ubuntu+2 actually exists? lol [06:07] Hi, the new cool lock screen doesn't work if I enable On Screen Keyboard, which package should I file the bug report against? [06:11] And, uhm, ubuntu-bug launched Lynx :D === Guest10814 is now known as jack [06:26] hi, having a little problem with huawei E355 modem.could use as a wifi hotspot but not working as a wired connection. in ubuntu 12.04 with 3.8 kernel (raring lts backport), it worked. otherwise, the wired connection mode does not work with anyother kernel. any help for xubuntu 14.04 will be appreciated. one way to work it in linux mint, xubuntu 13.10 is mentioned here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=148990 [06:27] neither working in ubuntu [06:32] abhra, you will probably have more luck in #xubuntu or #mint tbh. [06:32] abhra, its sort of like going to a redhat channel and asking for centos support (okay Yah they are now the same entity, but you know what I mean :P) [06:33] They're asking for help with Xubuntu 14.04. #xubuntu doesn't support 14.04, and Mint's channels don't support Xubuntu [06:34] and #ubuntu+1 supports the dev version of what #ubuntu supports, which is #ubuntu and official flavors [06:43] Aki-Thinkpad, though i mentioned about xubuntu 14.04 specifically, but it is not working in ubuntu 14.04 either. moreover, #xubuntu does not support xubuntu 14.04 and i was advised to present the problem here from that channel. and i mentioned linux mint forum, because the solution was mentioned in that forum. that solution worked in both ubuntu and xubuntu 13.10 with 3.11 kernel series. [06:44] abhra, Oh fair enough; [06:45] rww, someone is in a forgiving mood :P [06:45] cleaning up our bantracker is easier if there are only four bans to track ;) [07:00] ah well goodnight [07:22] hey everyone - i was directed here from the main #ubuntu channel. I'm running 14.04 beta2, on which my internal laptop monitor doesn't work. It worked previously on 13.10, which was unusable because of lack of drivers for my wireless card. I've been looking for solutions online, but haven't found anything yet - i was hoping someone here may be able to help me out [07:35] Is there any way for you to try to see if it is a missing driver for your monitor? For me this happened after awhile but it was a bad "default" choice Ubuntu set on my graphics card. [07:38] the display works just before ubuntu starts booting (i get a purple rectangle) [07:38] xrandr also shows it as connected in output, with the correct resolution/refresh rate [07:38] and so does Displays in system preferences [07:39] would a screenshot of Displays, or a paste of the xrandr output help in narrowing down the problem? [08:34] hello, good morning, i'm trying to enable gesture trackpad, (3 or 4 fingers), i have search about it, and the easier way is using a perl-script, but i recieve that -m parameter over synclient is not recognized. (i'm over 14.04). is there other option to do that? [08:37] I pray [08:38] ubuntu god, please correct the nautilus bug that cripple the search tool [08:38] !bug | jluc [08:38] jluc: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [08:38] ubuntu god, please correct the nautilus bug that prevent the correct resizing of columns and prevent the use of "place" column [08:39] ubuntu god, i know thou are good [08:39] please hear me [08:39] jluc: stop it [08:39] jluc: if you have a problem ask for help, log a bug so that it can start to get resolved [08:40] rather than make random complaints to no-mans land [08:40] jluc, enable gestures trackpad [08:46] sorry [08:46] praying is not complaining [09:20] do i want for desktop use the lowlatency kernel or the generic one? [09:28] why would you need low latency ? === quem_ is now known as quem [09:35] tomboy64: -generic is fine for most things, especially for servers. -lowlatency is fine for most things, but not for servers [09:35] another term used for -lowlatency I sometimes see is -desktop [09:36] there are only a few cases when you would need -lowlatency - whenever you need to monitor something going into the computer with lowlatency [09:36] ..like playing a soft synth with a midi keyboard [09:37] -lowlatency has a bit less data throughput (about 10-20% less), but in return, you get higher preemptiveness [09:45] this seems to indicate that 14.04 will be released with libvirt 1.2.2 ... is this correct? http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/base/libvirt [09:45] !info libvirt [09:46] Package libvirt does not exist in trusty [09:46] :P [09:46] zetheroo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Libvirt_1.2.2 [09:46] !find libvirt [09:46] Found: libvirt-bin, libvirt-dev, libvirt-doc, libvirt0, libvirt0-dbg, libvirtodbc0, nova-compute-libvirt, python-libvirt, gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0, libvirt-glib-1.0-0 (and 8 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libvirt&searchon=names&suite=trusty§ion=all [09:46] jpds: sounds good - thanks! [09:46] when I move windows to the edge of my screen gnome tries to resize the window, this is undesirable but I cannot figure out how to turn it off. is there a way? [09:47] is anyone using gthumb in 14.04 ? ... it's totally unusable for me! [09:47] glib error zetheroo ? [09:48] is anyone having issues with built-in laptop monitors under 10.04 beta2? [09:48] dangelov: how about just tell us your issue [09:48] the screen is off, but everything i check indicates that it's on [09:48] !nomodeset | dangelov [09:48] dangelov: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [09:48] interesante [09:48] alright, i'll try that, thanks [09:49] the screen is off - not black though [09:49] ikonia: yes - how did you know!? [09:49] do I still want nomodeset, or should I use [09:49] acpi_osi= [09:50] zetheroo: I am all seeing [09:50] ;) [09:50] zetheroo: a bug has been logged for it already [09:50] apparently you are :D [09:50] ikonia: yes, I logged one myself ... [09:50] dangelov: for using that parameter, you would have to decode your ACPI DSDT table first, to see the valid values for your specific ACPI implementation. [09:51] zetheroo: maybe worth finding the other bug then and trying to link to it, rather than have 2 bugs for the same thing [09:51] dangelov: So unless you know how to do that, you want to use nomodeset first. [09:51] ikonia: I have not heard anything back about it ... so I thought I might ask the IRC community ... [09:51] zetheroo: you won't hear anything back about it - you have to push it [09:51] zetheroo: it doesn't just get fixed on it's own [09:51] ikonia: push it!? [09:51] zetheroo: yes, work with people to get it fixed [09:52] bekks: thanks [09:52] ikonia: this is my bug ... how do I "push it"!? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb/+bug/1307127 [09:52] Launchpad bug 1307127 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "Too slow to use, and feature missing!" [Undecided,New] [09:52] zetheroo: ok, so that's a poor bug [09:53] zetheroo: you need to verify it happens in a clean 14.04 isntall [09:53] zetheroo: make sure it happens in the current 14.04 patch level [09:53] ikonia: why? many people will be upgrading from 13.20 to 14.04 ... [09:53] zetheroo: not link to a pastebin that expires [09:53] 13.10 [09:53] zetheroo: yes, but finding out if the problem is a core problem, or cause by an ugprade helps [09:53] o [09:53] ok [09:54] so people know where to look and can manage it [09:54] " current 14.04 patch level" ? [09:55] yes, the current distro patch level [09:55] include the error in the bug report, not a link to a pastebin [09:56] forget the auto enchance feature, thats a seperate issue/task [09:56] ok, well if there is already another similar bug report out there I won't bother re-issuing this one ... [09:56] basically you've just logged a bug that says "help, stuffs broken and missing" [09:56] and then seem surprised that nothing is happening [09:58] just tried nomodeset [09:58] ubuntu now thinks my external monitor is my built-in one [09:58] unplugging the external doesn't activate internal monitor [10:06] check this out for trusty: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/cirrus-7-nimbus-1-pc-ubuntu-14-04 [10:07] yup [10:07] it looks awesome [10:07] i want one of those [10:07] :p [10:08] so - i tried nomodeset and the acpi_osi=, the internal laptop monitor still doesn't want to start [10:08] when ubuntu is booting, when I set the options, the monitor was working up until "initializing ram disk", after which it turns itself off [10:23] thanks zequence [10:23] i just finished installing ubuntu 14.04 via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux / debootstrap and it finished with 40 packages left unconfigured [10:24] is it still likely that ubuntu will boot up fine? [10:24] depends if you did a good install [10:25] heh [10:25] let's see [10:27] so I just popped this ssd into my netbook from a much faster machine and while it works great what can I do to reduce latency? [10:29] who doesn't love big brother? right? [10:29] onca: there are few settings for ubuntu you can tweak [10:30] I think I tweaked them all [10:30] onca: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd [10:30] compiz settings are set, init scripts are off [10:30] onca: swappiness? fstab tweak? [10:31] I had to add swap, because the drive came out of a beast with 16gb ram [10:31] onca: TRIM should be enabled by default in trusty [10:31] and now it has only 2gb [10:31] onca: And why did you have to add swap then? [10:32] that bigbrother comment was meant for a much sillier channel [10:32] and wasn't appropriate in either one. so sorry [10:32] onca: what ssd brand did you get? [10:32] I added swap to get the gimp to render properly [10:32] lotuspsychje: I can't remember, but it's been serving me well [10:34] I gave two away to friends [10:34] I like the patriot one I gave away [10:43] lotuspsychje: I discovered it's a 120GB kingston hyperX I bought for under 100$ [10:44] onca: nice! [10:44] got myself a samsung evo, running on ubuntu 64bit netbook [10:44] rocketfast [10:44] what's great is I took the drive out of a serious machine and put it in a netbook and your os booted right up perfectly [10:44] you don't understand what that's worth to me [10:45] if I had some money, which I don't, I'd donate [10:45] Donate to Samsung? [10:46] you can donate to me :p [10:46] Or to me, I'll pass the money to lotuspsychje then :P [10:46] lol [10:48] trusty daily build server? [10:49] Koma: full question? [10:49] nevermind wrong channel [10:49] but, as I'm here [10:50] using the daily today is near the same of downloading the GM? [10:50] (i mean Release) [10:50] 2 days remaining for final release [10:50] It is near, yes. [10:51] can happen alot of fixing in 2 days :p [10:51] I hope not :P [10:51] Hope not stuff gets fixed? [10:51] I mean, it's everything freezed righ now [10:51] yeah i heard about that [10:51] what does that mean? [10:52] ljunggren: i hoe that there isn't much to be fixed [10:52] \\hope=/=hoe but I'll get used to this [10:52] Any chance that this one will be fixed in 14.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1087090 [10:52] Launchpad bug 1087090 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[raring][regression] Window management - Maximized windows aren't fullscreen in the workspace switcher" [Medium,Triaged] [10:52] Well, what does this mean? freeze? [10:53] that many of the packages has been freezed to a version so probably are already addressed as stable to release [10:53] MannerMan: bugs can exist a long time, its best you try to fix it then wait for release [10:54] lotuspsychje: Looking at it in launchpad, a fix seems to be committed [10:55] !info compiz [10:55] compiz (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.11+14.04.20140409-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 3 kB, installed size 126 kB [10:55] MannerMan: seems same version here [10:56] MannerMan: can you check your current version? [10:57] MannerMan: apt-cache show compiz [10:57] lotuspsychje: Currently i'm at work, so i'm using Ubuntu 12.04 (where the bug does not exist) [10:58] At home i'm running 14.04, so have to check up on it later [10:58] MannerMan: ok [10:58] But thanks for the info [10:58] I just installed 14.04 server onto one of our test servers ... and the network configuration is a bit odd ... instead of getting eth0, eth1, and so on, there is "p255p1" ... what's that!? [10:58] np [11:06] * Yelu is away: sorry, but I'm sooo busy with being away ... [11:06] * Yelu is back (gone 00:00:41) [11:20] help, plz [11:20] $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [11:20] Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fehler! [11:20] E: Encountered a section with no Package: header [11:24] jack: have you checked your sources.list / [11:24] ? [11:35] zetheroo: checked? [11:35] i never touched it... [11:36] E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en [11:36] E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht eingelesen oder geöffnet werden. [11:37] sorry for the german [11:41] what can i do now? [11:44] is this a fresh install of 14.04 .... or an upgrade? [11:45] can you pastebin your sources.list file? [11:45] Teduardo: right, but why is it no longer eth0 etc ... ? [11:46] because using eths wasn't predictable [11:46] one sec [11:46] zetheroo: pretty fresh, no upgrade [11:46] im sure there is a way to go back to the old way [11:47] on dell hardware it's called em1 and em2, etc [11:47] Teduardo: with 14.04? [11:47] they did all of this so that the same port on the same box on 10000 machines are all addressed the same way all the time [11:48] Teduardo: I have never seen anything other than eth0, eth1, etc ... at least before 14.04 [11:48] it might only do the em1, em2, thing on redhat, centos.. but the principal is the same; and the p1p2, etc stuff has been happening for a long time at least since 13 [11:49] it may only do that on add-on ethernet cards though [11:49] and not built-in [11:49] p255 doesnt sound like a real device [11:49] it's doing it with built-in Intel cards [11:49] hmm that's not virtualized? [11:49] 'Morning folks [11:49] before this we had 12.04.4 and it was always ethx [11:49] weird, the only ones i've seen are like p1p1 and p1p2 and p2p1 and normal things like that, i've never seen a p255 [11:50] anyway, to answer your question that's just the way it is now =) [11:50] no - this is not virtualized [11:51] I have p255p1 and p255p2 for the onboard NIC's ... and then p3p1 for the addon NIC [11:51] zetheroo: device names have changed in all distros [11:51] it's just updated udev rules [11:51] ok [11:52] I also noticed that "/etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't seem to work anymore ... [11:52] It's related to the heartbleed exploit (it's not, I'm making it up) [11:52] funkyHat: crap now thats going to be breaking news on CNN for the next 18 hours [11:52] dont make jokes [11:52] ⢁D [11:53] (they dont get it) [11:53] zetheroo: sysv init is dead, stop using bad habbits [11:54] ikonia: it was the only way that restarting the networking really worked in 12.04.x [11:54] that's just nonsense [11:54] well "service networking restart" did not work nearly as well ... [11:54] "work nearly as well" [11:55] sorry - that's just nonsense [11:55] whats the "new" way? :P [11:55] zetheroo: http://pastebin.com/bMBdH4VY [11:55] ikonia: sorry, it just didn't ... not for our networking setup anyhow ... [11:55] zetheroo: it did [11:55] seems like it is an upgraded raring [11:55] zetheroo: it executes the same scripts [11:55] sorry ;) [11:55] it's black or white, the network is either down or up [11:56] so how can it work "not as good" [11:56] ikonia: well we got different results with the two commands ... [11:56] the network is either up or down - black/white [11:56] so I don't know how you can get different results [11:56] the "restart" command I am talking about [11:56] yes, it's either started, or stopped [11:56] so again, I don't know how you can have different results [11:57] but this is nothing to do with 14.04 - it's your lack of understanding [11:57] so I suggest reading the admin guide [11:59] ikonia: when I made changes to /etc/network/interfaces and then would do "service networking restart" it would fail half the time ... but with "/etc/init.d/networking restart" the network would restart properly (meaning come back up with the updated settings) almost all the time. [11:59] zetheroo: sure sure, whatever [12:00] That has been my experience - so I continued to use the "/etc/init.d/networking restart" command ... but if your saying that there is a better way that actually WORKS as well with bridging and bonding etc ... then by all means do tell ... [12:00] ;) [12:01] read the admin guide [12:06] You talking about the Ubuntu Server Guide? [12:06] that's a good guide [12:06] because this is what it says in Chapter 1.4 : [12:07] Now restart networking to enable the bridge interface: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [12:07] Chapter 1.4 is the chapter on Bridging btw ... [12:08] ikonia: cool, looks like I was following the guide afterall ... :D [12:09] does it really say that in the guide now? [12:10] ikonia: and again in section 3.2 : [12:10] After changing the config file you have to restart the dhcpd: [12:10] what's the URL [12:10] zetheroo: what should i do now? [12:10] I only see the 13.10 server guide [12:10] sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart [12:10] ikonia: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/serverguide.pdf [12:11] zetheroo: 12.04 [12:11] not 14.04 [12:12] ikonia: yes, and I was saying that is what I WAS doing in 12.04.x and you were calling it "nonsense"! :P [12:12] no, I didn't say what you where doing was nonsense [12:12] I said the results you where seeing where nonsense [12:12] that "one worked better" [12:12] well you called it a "bad habit" ... [12:12] it is a bad habbit [12:13] as system V is dead [12:13] when in fact it was a perfectly good habit as per the documentation [12:13] the sooner you stop depending on system V scripts the better you'll be [12:13] uhm ... not yet ... it's got a few day to go ;) [12:13] good luck with it then.... [12:13] well sure, but it's not a "bad" habit mate! [12:13] it is a bad habbit [12:13] rubbish [12:13] and don't call me "mate" [12:13] does ubuntu use system V init ? [12:16] it's how things were done for the past several years with the latest official Ubuntu LTS release as per the documentation ... so it's not "bad" .... it may be old ... but not "bad"! [12:16] does ubuntu use system V init - yes / no [12:16] even in 12.04 - doe it use system v init [12:16] does [12:16] So now the documentation is wrong!? [12:16] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:16] spinning ... just spinning ... :P [12:17] you seem either unwilling or unable to answer the question [12:17] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:17] what use is the documentation if people on IRC know better!? [12:17] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:17] you yourself pointed to the documentation repeatedly! [12:17] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:18] and now you want to skip on over to something else because the documentation does not suite your opinion that documented instructions for the latest official LTS release are "bad" - HA! [12:18] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:18] if you answer the question, I can actually explain [12:18] but you seem unable to answer this question [12:18] why don't you just explain? [12:19] but you seem unable to answer this question [12:19] does ubuntu use system v init - yes/no [12:19] I am not going to answer because I don't know! But I DO know what the docs say ... and if you know better than the docs why then do you refer to them!? [12:19] ok, that's fair enough, you don't know [12:20] that's all you had to say [12:20] if you know better than the docs why then do you refer to them!? [12:20] so ubuntu doesn't use system V init - it uses upstart, and there are some legacy links to system v init scripts to call the upstart jobs [12:20] to depend commands from an init system that is no longer in user and being maintained with hacks - is a "bad habbit" [12:20] I'm a little dissapointed that the docs seem to reference this still, however I applaud you following them [12:20] how is anyone reading the docs supposed to know that... or even what that means!? [12:21] what what means ? [12:21] "ubuntu doesn't use system V init - it uses upstart, and there are some legacy links to system v init scripts to call the upstart jobs" [12:21] ubuntu not using system V init has been well documented for a while [12:22] as you rightly point out though, that is the documented way of calling the upstart jobs, so that's the right way to do it [12:22] All that is immediately important to me is "how to restart networking" ... and so I lookup the docs and it say xyz .... [12:22] so you did the right thing then [12:22] ok [12:23] so now with 14.04 it's different I am guessing [12:23] I suggest you follow the same practce [12:23] practice [12:23] or maybe it has been since 13.10 or 13.04 ... ?! We tend to only use LTS releases here so I wouldn't know what's going on with 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10 ... [12:24] not the 13.10 docs (which appear to be identical to the 12.04 ones) seem to suggest the same thing [12:24] in the 13.10 doc I found this under Bridging: sudo service networking restart [12:26] 12.10 doc also has "sudo service networking restart" under Bridging ... [12:27] you're not using 12.10/13.04 are you ? [12:27] either way it doesn't matter to the 14.04 build [12:28] no [12:28] oh, I found the 14.04 giude [12:29] hmmm .... it says this now: sudo ifup br0 [12:29] under Bridging ... [12:29] so no network restart at all ... !? :P [12:30] seems in other parts of the docs to still use the "service servicename restart" command ... [12:32] one other thing I could not do like before (with 12.04.x) was ssh into root@hostname ... it will not accept the root password .. so I have to ssh into user@hostname and then su into root ... [12:32] zetheroo: why dont you use sudo? [12:32] !sudo | zetheroo [12:32] zetheroo: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [12:33] k1l_: yes that is an option ... but I rather be in as root ... [12:33] everything I do is as root anyhow ... [12:33] zetheroo: You've set a root password, right? [12:33] Rory: yep [12:33] ubuntu is build around sudo. so that is the proper ubuntu way. is there a need to be always root? besides old habbits? [12:34] zetheroo: If you find yourself always being root, you may want to re-think your linux usage paradigms [12:34] zetheroo: Like when Windows Xp made every account an administrator [12:34] put it this way, if I was not logged in as root 100% of my commands would have to start with "sudo" in front of them [12:35] so .. is anyone aware of a "new" security feature which prohibits sshing as root on 14.04? [12:35] it should be blocked by default on all distros [12:36] 1.) the root account is locked 2.) the sshd config should disable any root login [12:38] zetheroo: again: "i need to always be root" means there is something wrong at all. but do as you like, its your system. but be aware that ubuntu is build around sudo [12:38] zetheroo: see the ssh server config if root login is permitted [12:38] it should be disabled by default, I'm shocked it's not disabled in earlier versions [12:39] (if it's not) [12:39] ok thanks ... checking now [12:39] in 12.04.x it was working out of the box ;) [12:39] enabling it will fail many audits, so be aware of your business has any iso standards, this will void pretty much all of them [12:39] ikonia: root login was enabled so far, dont know if that changed (which i would prefer) [12:39] ikonia: It 100% isn't blocked in Ubuntu 12.04, you can ssh as root if you can write a malicious authorized_keys file to /root/.ssh/ [12:40] k1l_: Rory poor [12:40] I agree, it's a terrible default to have [12:40] ok , I see it as being "PermitRootLogin without-password" [12:40] so with a swap of ssh keys it is still possible then by default!? [12:40] zetheroo: Perhaps it disallows password logins, but allows logins with key-based authentication [12:41] zetheroo: Try adding your key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys [12:41] Rory: yep ... sounds like that [12:42] Rory: that worked a treat! [12:44] zetheroo: I feel dirty [12:44] ;) [12:51]