=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:57] morning channel [06:11] hello [06:11] :) [06:16] morning all [06:19] morning MooDoo [06:20] morning MooDoo mapps [06:29] morning everyone [06:30] morning [06:32] morning =] [06:32] does ubuntu-uk have a hostname cloak? [06:33] no idea;[ [06:34] no [06:34] only ubuntu [06:34] no it doesn't [06:34] oh rats jussi beat me again [06:34] MooDoo: get used to it :P [06:34] :p [06:35] ty [07:02] Morning all [07:11] Good morning all; happy One Day Without Shoes Day! :-D [07:13] so much good tv on mondays [07:14] hey JamesTait [07:14] one day without shoes LOL [07:14] JamesTait: I refuse. [07:14] JamesTait: stuff that, it's happy birthday MooDoo day :p [07:15] MartijnVdS, perhaps you prefer Bicycle Day? [07:15] JamesTait: that would work [07:15] MooDoo, happy MooDoo Day! :) [07:15] MooDoo: happy MooDoo Day! [07:15] awww shucks guys [07:16] JamesTait: can I trouble you for a little freenode help? :) [07:16] http://www.toms.com/onedaywithoutshoes/l [07:16] nigelb, you can try. :) [07:17] maybe we all can help nigelb :D [07:27] morning everyone [07:27] MooDoo: Heh [07:28] trying to explain heartbleed to a company (and how they should patch it) is frustrating. [07:28] knightwise: oh tell me about it, we've suffered from it :S [07:29] knightwise: please use xkcd [07:29] xkcd has explained it as simple as it can be explained. [07:29] knightwise: pic.twitter.com/ydnqjRD476 [07:30] yeah , i did that [07:31] but the kneejerk reaction of management is " LETS CHANGE ALL THE PASSWORDS" [07:31] now trying to explain to them its no use. [07:31] They technically know whats wrong but they have no clue as to how to respond to it [07:31] * knightwise does not have enough palms for quadrupal facepalm [07:32] knightwise: You did patch openssl, right? [07:32] we are now looking at how many SAAS providers we have outside our own datacenter that we need to check [07:33] fml [07:33] * nigelb lends knightwise a few hands for quadruple facepalm [07:34] and then there is fingerpointing politics [07:35] good morning [07:35] "not my call" - "thats his department" etc etc. [07:35] knightwise: can't believe tech is still run like that. [07:35] nigelb: you have no idea [07:35] but then... why am I surprised. [07:35] I only have 3 days left before I quit the company ... So I should not be getting fired up like this [07:36] :) [07:48] knightwise: professionalism [07:50] MooDoo: True .. i think i'll stop caring when I leave [07:50] although I should start focussing on my new venture [07:50] knightwise: where you going? [07:51] * knightwise started up his own company [07:51] will start working as a freelancer starting next month [07:52] knightwise: web site? [07:53] not online yet [07:53] I have scored a 5 month contract so .. i'm 'in business' [07:54] congrats, brave brave brave [07:55] thanx :) [08:03] morning [08:05] good morning. [08:06] hows the weather today bashrc_ ? [08:10] Good morning peeps :) [08:12] hey bashrc_ muzini [08:12] hey knightwise === dv81 is now known as wo0f [08:34] morning boys and girls. [08:34] good morning [08:34] still a bit of snow here [08:35] http://i.imgur.com/994mkOL.jpg [08:35] will eventually clear out and start changing into green [08:35] morning brobostigon [08:36] morning MooDoo and muzini === wo0f is now known as dv81 === dv81 is now known as teaj === teaj is now known as wo0f [08:59] Happy birtyhday MooDoo [09:00] ooh, MooDoo got old... Happy over the hill day MooDoo :D [09:00] within just a few days it's been jussi me, Dave2 and MooDoo birthdays [09:00] i think [09:00] couple of weeks, but yeah [09:02] jussi: thanks popey thanks :D [09:47] hehe http://imgur.com/a/UO8sJ#1 [09:50] I am getting a new UK phone number, what is the most pretty one? 07474130090 07474187700. [09:51] dennis__: the second one [09:52] +1 [09:52] zero's in between are harder when you give the number to someone. [09:52] I agree, but most people said 0090, there are even many people that went with the last option that was 3800, but 7700 seems obviously better. [09:52] *zeros [09:53] double seven, double zero seems easier than thirty-eight-hundred or double-zero eighty, [09:54] yup [09:55] last one [09:57] a lot of people seemed to love the 0090, but seems 7700 better, [09:57] "a lot" [09:57] I take too much time for simple decisions like this, i've bought [09:57] how many people did you ask!? [09:58] I've polled about 8 friends. [09:58] * popey notes that most people will never dial it [09:58] but will select "Dennis__" or whatever from their addressbook === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:58] I know, I'm not that popular. [09:58] ah right, true! [09:58] it's a one-time thing, save a number. [09:58] i dont know my wifes mobile [09:58] she's had it for 10 years or so [09:58] i never dial it [09:59] I learned a few important ones [09:59] have needed them a couple of times [09:59] well, could be helpful to know, but yeah, I almost know no numbers, exception landline parents, own landline (I picked an easy number voip), and my old mobile phone numbers, not friends/family numbers. [10:00] well, I know the landline number of my parents, although it hasn't changed for 30 years. [10:00] bet it had a 1 inserted :P [10:01] just one :p [10:01] when we moved in my mums number was 4 digits [10:01] slowly grown over time [10:09] ah, UK numbers are 11 digits now, I thought it'd be like NL, 10-digit [10:09] 9300 < this is most commonly pronounced ninety-three-hundred, right? [10:12] it's an american thing to use "hundred" for 2-digit numbers [10:12] it's much more common IME to say "nine thousand three hundred" for that number in the UK. maybe other UK regions differ [10:13] for sharing identifying numbers (phone number, credit card, etc) rather than quantities, you'd usually not use either and sound out each number individually, or at most take 2 digits at a time [10:14] i tend to go with three numbers in rows. [10:14] ah ok, I figured 130090 would be thirteen-hundred-ninety. [10:14] e.g. my phone number ends one-nine-three-one-one-six not one-hundred-and-ninety-three-thousand-one-hundred-and-16 [10:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom#Format [10:15] ah, well, if your number ends with 80, why not say eighty [10:16] rather than eight-zero [10:16] because it sounds a bit like eighteen ;) [10:18] yeah, i say mine as 07xxx xxx xxx [10:19] saying all the digits individually [10:19] likewise [10:19] I've definitely heard "double" being used a lot in phone numbers. [10:19] my only issue is whether to say "zero" or "o" [10:19] double and triple are used in the UK and confuses USians quite a bit [10:19] also we say "oh" for "zero" [10:19] and people from France, who are used to hearing telephone numbers as pairs of digits [10:21] ah right, I understand. :) It's been an interesting few weeks so far in the UK. [10:23] heh [10:26] yay extender for my go pro is here :D [10:27] Morning all [10:27] I have a question! [10:28] So if you walk on a street... just going straight ahead... and there is a car on your side... also going ahead until he makes a turn... if he almost kills you while turning while you keep walking a head... who has the right of way? [10:29] the german word being "null" [10:29] UK Traffic still takes getting used to for me, but in Holland if you go straight ahead... even as a pedestrian... [10:29] cars should wait. [10:29] dennis__: walk on street or pavement? [10:29] dennis__, in the US, by law, under the scenario you mentioned, the car should wait. [10:29] I walked on the pavement, I was crossing a street. [10:30] were you crossing a minor road? [10:30] Yes! [10:30] and he was turning from the major road to a minor road? [10:30] going straight ahead, but crossing [10:30] yes [10:30] I was on the pavement of the major road. [10:30] he made a turn to the minor road, which I crossed. [10:30] oh, you were on the pavement [10:30] dennis__, I've come across this problem many times in the UK. It's not really practical for a pedestrian to twist and look behind them. [10:30] walk off here, and youre likely to get driven over, rather than the car waiting. [10:31] the driver _should_ let you cross [10:31] MnemonicCarrier, right! [10:31] rule 170 [10:31] should, yes, happens, not likely. [10:31] of the highway code [10:31] the driver was very angry with me. [10:31] Common sense says the car/driver should wait and give way to the pedestrian. [10:31] MnemonicCarrier: we have highway code, not common sense ☻ [10:31] :D [10:31] highway code says "Take extra care at junctions. You should.. watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way" [10:31] but from what you said you hadn't started [10:32] It's almost like an attack from the rear. [10:32] yeah, I was crossing a road, he was turning, I didn't expect him coming, especially since in the UK people come form other directions [10:32] he hadn't, he went so quickly while I just walked. [10:32] I think he saw me, but just couldnt be bothered by going slower lol, [10:32] If you're already on the road, I'm sure he has to wait. [10:33] see above, yes. [10:33] well, in Holland the bikes/pedestrians going straight ahead, always go first. [10:35] I don't know why so many people become so aggressive and impatient when behind the wheel of a car. Personally, I can't wait for the oil to run out ;) [10:35] well, the bikers in the UK seem a bit dangerous too, I miss my bike though. [10:36] dennis__, agree. Most folks on bike don't even know what the road rules are. [10:37] MnemonicCarrier, you moved from the US to UK? [10:37] Yes. [10:37] ah cool. [10:37] the UK/London seems very expensive to me, I'm using to paying less for things. [10:38] But my Norwegian colleague says he was always used to paying £6-8 for a beer in the pub, which seems so crazy. [10:38] dennis__, yeah, this place has its share of problems, but there are a lot of positives too. [10:38] In Holland we pay like £8 for 24-Heinekens in the supermarket. [10:39] ah yeah, I am very happy to be in London, Rotterdam seems like a little village compared to it, I've met a lot of great people. [10:40] So, any news on a Ubuntu 14.04 release party in the UK? [10:40] dennis__: you like cities? [10:41] jussi, I wanted to go abroad for an adventure, new experience, after having always lived in Holland. London is perfect for me right now, I like traveling/tourism. I miss having a car, things being affordable. Maybe when I have a family, I'd prefer a smaller place. But seems hard to get a good paying IT job far from the city. [10:42] dennis__: depends what kind of "IT" you mean :D [10:42] (personally I hate cities) [10:42] Linux server infrastructures. [10:42] I'd like one of those jobs that Angela Bennet had in "The Net" :) [10:43] dennis__: you just compared a pub with a supermarket for beer prices which is unfair [10:43] I understand, I've got nothing against cities, as long as I've got my privacy and enough private time. [10:43] beer is cheap in supermarkets here too [10:44] in my local, a decent beer will cost you £3.60 now. [10:44] popey, beers are like £1 each? in the AH, you can get 24 beers 330ml for £0.15 each. [10:44] depends which beer [10:44] and where you buy it [10:45] old hooky, [10:45] right, I've so far been mostly in Tesco's. [10:45] I stopped drinking and smoking because of the cost of cigarettes and beer. [10:46] but seems unlikely to get 24 beers in the UK for £4, more like £10. [10:46] well, I smoked smoking a few years ago, but UK cigarettes expensive too right, maybe highest behind Norway/Australia [10:47] In Australia, they don't even "brand" cigarette packets now :D [10:48] So how do you know it's Marlboro? [10:48] 25g of a decent tobacco is about £7.50 now. [10:48] http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-plain-packaging-reduce-smoking-rates/16548 [10:48] So... silly question, are there channels on here one can ask questions about Microsoft products in? [10:49] ##windows [10:49] The name is written on the product, but there's not real "branding" per se. [10:49] smoking should be banned completely ☻ [10:49] awilkins, there are quite a few windows related irc channels here, windows-server, and others [10:50] popey: nah, then it would just become like pot. which actually sucks. [10:50] nah, I'd allow pot [10:50] hah! [10:50] but disallow tabacco [10:51] pot has widely known benefits [10:52] A couple of US states have legalized pot. It has, in a very short time, already turned in to a multi-billion dollar industry. [10:54] So what's up with the lack of 14.04 release parties in the UK? You'd think this country would be swarming with them (considering Canonical is HQ'ed here). [10:56] distro updates are not exciting anymore [10:56] :( [10:57] partly because it's thursday before easter [10:57] I might offer up my company's office for a release party - near "Silicon Roundabout". [10:58] popey, Ah, I see... [10:58] cannot seem to disable two finger scrollling on windows :( [10:58] edge scroll ftw [10:59] and 2 finger scroll is broken :S [11:01] MooDoo: Happy Birthday fossil boy ;) [11:02] MooDoo: and if it isn't you'd better change your G+ profile :P [11:04] wow. edge scrolling is removed from the options :-| [11:06] davmor2: thanks mate :D [11:43] lots of ubuntu machines here today at the hackathon for public sector [11:43] Anybody here using a wireless headset with a cisco phone? [11:43] looks rather cool to see them from randomers :) [11:44] czajkowski: BOO! [11:44] davmor2: hello sunshine === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:44] czajkowski: How's life treating you [11:45] busy :) [11:45] but good [11:45] you? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [11:48] czajkowski: where you at? === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:56] having to click "install update" 1 update at a time on win7 :( [11:57] * knightwise decided to get a Dell Xps 13 as his first company laptop [11:59] i got a spiritual successor to the d630 [12:03] popey: Mongodb London [12:03] we're running a public sector hackathon [12:04] foobarry: spiritual ? [12:07] czajkowski: pffff call yourself busy ;) Busy as hell testing everything in the universe :) so happy as a pig in muck (well the less clean version) :) [12:07] lol [12:07] knightwise: the e7440 is like the d630 in many ways [12:07] but not officially === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:10] afternoon all [12:12] I've got e6430 [12:13] to succeed mine [12:17] mmm jelly snakes [12:38] think i'm going to have to stop wearing my tog rated duvet socks [12:38] SUMMER'S HERE PEOPLE [12:38] * popey closes the blind [12:41] * jussi runs away [12:41] jussi: hiya! [12:41] Pendulum: !!!!! [12:42] long time no see! [12:42] I know! I miss you :( === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:02] Why do audiobooks always seem to have the dodgy/suspicious character read by a very fake Australian/New Zealand accents, a bit how all Brit's in US series seem to speak like Parker from Thunderbirds [13:03] None of the audiobooks I listen to are like that [13:04] Must just be the sci-fi ones I listen to [13:05] Evil dictator taking over earth...Australian, Secret double agent about to drop you in it...Australian [13:11] I've been listening to the wheel of time books since I started at rackspace [13:12] would you believe I've only just started book 3? [13:16] \o/ egg mayo sarnie for lunch on a hot day [13:16] it's summer [13:16] DJones: Most Americans can't tell the difference. I'm sure some of that is because of having heard the fake accents their entire lives, but if they don't know it's wrong, the companies don't get complaints. [13:18] As well, in the US, accent (that isn't an American accent) = suspicious. Think about the number of films that have "evil" Brit characters. [13:18] I think it's Jaguar that actually put out a recent tv advert here playing with that [13:29] Pendulum: i think we use french in the uk as the shifty accent [13:33] you get those in the US sometimes, but much less often [13:33] everybody hears I have a dutch accent [13:38] dennis__: I'm American, but I'll start to subtly pick up accents from other places depending on where I am/who I'm with. I used to come back from UDSes and confuse folks at home because I had such a weird mix. Americans seem to generally assume that I'm from where they're from (exception is people from the Deep South). [13:40] ah right, hehe, that's funny. [13:41] My wife went to Ireland and came back with an irish accent once. That was odd. [13:45] popey: was is more sexy? [13:45] *it [13:45] would be great if my wife got a french accent [13:46] it was odd [13:48] did she say "Pass me another whiskey Paddy me lad!" ? [13:49] popey* me lad [13:49] dist-upgrade. [13:50] git pull [13:50] popey: could you understand anything? :) [13:50] bizarre push [13:50] yeah [13:50] i do have irish friends who I almost never speak to because I can't understand a word they say [13:51] I have to get them to sms or email me ☹ [13:51] lmao [13:51] * daftykins glances at czajkowski [13:51] ;) [13:51] hrmm i just had to double my bigv VPS' RAM 'cause it was killing apache processes [13:51] my matese dad is caleld cornelius, but there are people who have called him tony for 20 yrs and wrtie cheques to tony because they don't understand him [13:51] i'm only running two wordpress sites, one which isn't even live, and two static sites D: [13:52] daftykins: I had that issue the other day, turns out I had 99% HDD full of logs, cleared them out an all is good again [13:52] any thoughts on watching the memory usage a bit better? i'm watching top right now with the memory column sorted [13:52] hah, that makes about 6 people I have seen that happen to now [13:52] i switched from apache to lighttpd [13:52] and not had the issue [13:52] hrmm [13:52] daftykins: how much mem you got? [13:52] it doesnt matter, it will eat it all [13:52] i have 1.2GiB here [13:52] I use cherokee server wich is cool, low mem + admin UI in the browser [13:53] dogmatic69: it was 1GB but it was showing ~40MB free, with 15MB page used - i've just upgraded the VPS to 2GB now [13:53] apache is pretty lame [13:53] 2GB ram is enough to run FB :P [13:53] hehe [13:53] the thing is it seems to be the combination of wordpress, php and apache that does it [13:53] I have about 15 sites with light traffic and 500mb [13:53] some are WP too... [13:53] hrmm [13:53] it's just php and misconfigued apache [13:53] well, i'm fresh booted and using 256MB right now [13:54] 2455 packages upgraded, 327 newly installed, 132 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [13:54] the whole of /var/log is 33MB so i don't think logs are it [13:54] probably just apache being a bloater as ali1234 suggests [13:55] ali1234: any common config faux pas you know off hand to check? [13:55] php uses the memory, then bad apache config means the workers never restart [13:55] yeah the most common things are allocating far too many workers, and keeping them alive for far too lon [13:55] g [13:55] that would figure, i'd bet there are a fair few up [13:56] crikey there appear to be 10 in ps output [13:56] that's not too bad [13:57] already up to 400MB used in a few minutes after boot [13:59] http://pastebin.com/9hcq2Cpj [13:59] apache2.conf there [13:59] in part that is [14:02] doh - that feeling when someone from #ubuntu you helped remembers your nickname and starts PM'ing [14:02] maybe i need more numbers in my nick... [14:11] ali1234: any of the above to blame or am i looking in the wrong place? :) [14:12] ah looks like maxrequestsperchild is iffy [14:13] http://forum.bytemark.co.uk/t/out-of-memory-due-to-apache/922/4 [14:13] this looks like a plan so i'm going to give it a whirl [14:19] there's a way to monitor what the workers are doing [14:20] you can use it to check for slow requests [14:20] hrmm [14:20] those can lead to too many workers getting created in bursts [14:20] and then they stay around [14:20] sat at 318MB used right now since i edited the config and restarted [14:21] the base VM with apache stopped appeared to be using ~145MB [14:32] ah yes can play with mod_stats to see what's up [14:32] hrmm, well i'll see how this goes then maybe try and look into it further [14:32] i've downgraded back to 1GB RAM now \o/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:46] Man why did I not know about scp -C before now [14:47] -C' Compression enable. Passes the -C flag to ssh(1) to enable compression. [14:47] handy indeed [14:48] If I have a lot of copying to do I usually just use tar [14:49] tar | ssh tar [14:49] Doesn't start and stop connections for every little file, less overhead, more compression [14:53] awilkins: indeed for me though I need 1 big folder and 5 files so I looked up copying multiple files with scp as I only normally transfer 1 and yes it is nicely supported and then found the magic scp -C took no time at all to transfer [14:54] awilkins: the 2 wonderful thing about linux are: 1. you are always learning, 2. there is always another way to do something :) [14:54] Indeed :-) [14:55] tar kicks butt when you have lots of teensy files === Monotoko is now known as Guest75815 [15:56] most of the stuff I copy tends to be compressed anyway, e.g. video [16:00] xzip is awesome for text - 90% reduction isn't unheard of [16:01] `xz file` or `tar Jcf tarfile.tar.xz file(s)` [16:01] that's an upper-case J [16:12] Hi is there going to be ubuntu 14.04 launch party in london ? [16:13] Most likely. I think there's been some chatter about launch parties on the mailing list === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:35] i'm on 14.04! [17:47] folks try out : http://spotholes.azurewebsites.net/PotHoles [17:49] czajkowski: no :P [17:58] czajkowski, running on ms azure? [18:00] directhex: czajkowski is being a puppet of evil I bet there is a mongodb backend :D [18:01] davmor2, azure lets you deploy a trusty server in about 3 clicks [18:01] directhex: I know but I enjoy winding czajkowski up [18:05] davmor2: so sleepy [18:05] bugger off [18:05] czajkowski: family channel naughty [18:09] czajkowski: Surely it would be easier to just assume every road has pot holes and knock them off 1 at a time [18:09] bootstrap. cool [18:10] bootstrap is probably the best thing that has ever happened to html [18:15] davmor2: go find a bug :p [18:15] s/bug/pothole [18:15] czajkowski: that's easy [18:18] czajkowski: the form for entering the coordinates isn't themed correctly [18:19] also the design isn't responsive in general, which would be handy for a mobile site [18:19] luckily these things are trivial to fix with bootstrap :) [18:19] goood evening [18:45] hm [19:08] hmmm [19:12] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [19:12] Hmm [19:13] mm-hmm [19:13] Its the crash test dummies sing that famous song.... [19:13] hmm? [19:16] DJones: Fool there are too many h's it's just M's in the crash test dummies song [19:17] davmor2: Yeah, but people drop their h's when they speak [19:18] DJones: hahaha [19:20] recently i have noticed that a lot of people started pronouncing "h" like they are trying to cough up phlegm [19:20] it's really annoying [19:20] so it becomes more like ACCCHHHH? [19:21] no [19:21]