[06:16] <jabberwocky93> morning all
[06:19] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:23] <Kilos> morning all
[06:28] <bduk1> More almal
[06:29] <Kilos> hi bduk1 superfly jabberwocky93 Spekko ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:29] <jabberwocky93> more oom Kilos :)
[06:30] <jabberwocky93> more bduk1
[06:30] <superfly> morning Kilos, jabberwocky93, bduk1, inetpro
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:30] <superfly> and ThatGraemeGuy
[06:31] <bduk1> Everybody well this morning?
[06:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: did you go to ScaleConf again this year?
[06:31] <Kilos> pro opinion please is sudo touch /forcefsck a bad command and why
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: not this time
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> after going twice in a row I didn't feel like a third time would add anything significant
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i'm way more infrastructure focused now, and scaling isn't much of an issue
[06:32] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah, neither did we. Increased number of developers + budget set for other things = no money to go
[06:32] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: after going once I felt like going again wouldn't add anything significant.
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> the only thing we might need to scale sometime is our own puppet infrastructure, clients typically have no need to scale
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> the guys that need to care about that sort of scale typically won't be hosting with the likes of us
[06:33] <superfly> true
[06:33] <Spekko> more Kilos
[06:34] <superfly> these days it's very easy to set up your scalable system using something like EC2
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[06:34] <jabberwocky93> dont forget juju :P
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure what Juliaaaas has to do with it? :-p
[06:35] <jabberwocky93> https://juju.ubuntu.com/
[06:35]  * jabberwocky93 chuckles
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, i know
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> never heard of anyone using it though
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> does it support other distros yet?
[06:36] <jabberwocky93> ah, yeah I've only tried chef
[06:36] <jabberwocky93> if only my RL kitchen was that awesome ^_^
[06:45]  * superfly prefers to use tried-and-tested tools, not Canoical's NIH-syndrome induced alternatives
[06:47] <superfly> *Canonical
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> looking at you, Ubuntu One
[06:48] <superfly> And Upstart
[06:48] <superfly> and Unity
[06:48] <superfly> and Mir
[07:00] <Symmetria> http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531 <[07:20] <charl_> good morning
[07:20] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:26] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:26] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[07:26] <charl_> how's it going
[07:27] <Kilos> alive and you?
[07:27] <charl_> oh yes, how's it going with the fly
[07:27] <charl_> flu
[07:27] <Kilos> fluffin stu
[07:27] <charl_> wat?
[07:28] <Kilos> still hanging there and bad head day looks like
[07:28] <charl_> ah :(
[07:28] <charl_> no fun man
[07:28] <Kilos> never knew a flu like this
[07:28] <charl_> get better soon !
[07:28] <Kilos> lol im trying man. it not lekker like this
[07:29] <Kilos> havent done a reinstall in 2 weeks
[07:31] <Kilos> they messed up freecell in 14.04
[07:32] <Kilos> you gotta keep playing game after game till you win or you cant close it
[07:32] <Kilos> grrr
[07:32] <Kilos> Maaz, google forcequit for 14.04
[07:32] <Maaz> Kilos: "Add a 'Force Quit' Applet to Ubuntu's Unity Launcher | OMG! Ubuntu!" http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/force-quit-applet-unity-launcher :: "Unity/Theming - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Theming :: "UbuntuUpdates - Package "unity" (trusty 14.04)" http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/base/unity :: "ubuntu-14.04 : Ubuntu -
[07:32] <Maaz> Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-14.04 :: "“unity” source package : Trus…
[07:37] <charl_> killall freecell ?
[07:37] <charl_> or killall -9
[07:38] <Kilos> whats the -9
[07:39] <Kilos> forcequit dont work
[07:39] <Kilos> sigh
[07:41] <charl_> killall kills all processes running under a specified name
[07:41] <charl_> -9 is the signal
[07:41] <Kilos> not freecell that other thing
[07:41] <Kilos> lemme see what its called
[07:42] <Kilos> mahjong
[07:42] <charl_> oh that
[07:43] <Kilos>  (ALT+F2 > xkill > click on Window).
[07:43] <Kilos> i tried that and alt+f2 says nothing matches my search
[07:43] <Kilos> ai!
[07:44] <charl_> it is probably sending the wrong signal
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:45] <Kilos> every upgrade i gotta learn from scratch
[07:45] <charl_> it's probably sending SIGKILL instead of SIGTERM
[07:45] <Kilos> shoulda got kde rather
[07:45] <charl_> i mean, the other way around :PO
[07:46] <charl_> you on unity right now?
[07:46] <Kilos> ya and its good
[07:46] <Kilos> better than 12.04 unity
[07:46] <charl_> unity has improved a lot
[07:46] <charl_> but i would never use it
[07:46] <charl_> too bloated and slow
[07:47] <Kilos> i like to then i can see whats here and help noobs
[07:47] <Kilos> 14.04 is quicker imo
[07:48] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[07:48] <Kilos> dont let the pro see me say that he will start saying its all relevant
[07:48] <Kilos> hehe
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:48] <Vince-0> haai
[07:53] <Kilos> the killall dont work either
[07:53] <Kilos> grrr
[07:53] <charl_> do you have the right process name ?
[07:53] <Kilos> i just found something
[07:55] <Kilos> the kill minimise buttons dont shoe but if i click in the top panel where they supposed to be i can minimise it and then it shows them buttons
[07:55] <Kilos> maybe thats still got to be sorted with the release
[07:55] <charl_> bah
[07:56] <charl_> best to report it in case
[07:56]  * Kilos goes to see if there are updates
[07:56] <Kilos> report how
[07:56] <charl_> although i'm sure they are really busy now figuring things out right before the release of a major LTS
[07:56] <charl_> launchpad?
[07:57] <Kilos> whew not a good day to think about stuff
[07:57] <charl_> never mind, if it's a common problem i'm sure it'll get fixed :)
[07:57] <Kilos> why didnt you come here yesterday and help the noob
[08:16] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[08:26] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[08:33] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning
[08:33] <Kilos> where is plus2
[09:08] <Kilos> ah charl_ worked it out
[09:09] <Kilos> minimise then drag page to screen size and it still shows close button
[09:09] <Kilos> was kinda over maximising methinks
[09:11] <Kilos> might also be because i installed 14.04 unity onto 12.04 kde without formatting home
[09:23] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:37] <magespawn> anybody know why i would lose packets with mtr but not with a simple ping?
[09:43] <Symmetria> magespawn *HRM* 
[09:43] <Symmetria> Ive seen that behavior lately as well
[09:43] <Symmetria> and wondered about it
[09:43] <Symmetria> Im not exactly sure what MTR is doing but its something odd
[09:44] <magespawn> my wireless links seem to drop the connection every now and then and i was trying to see which one it was
[09:44] <Symmetria> I dont trust mtr after a friend was running mtr traces to my house and seeing 90% packet loss with it, but there was no packet loss and everything was perfectly fine
[09:45] <magespawn> can you recommend a similar tool Symmetria ?
[09:45] <Symmetria> none that I can think of off the top of my head, I normally run constant pings 
[09:48] <magespawn> somewhere i have problem, the link goes down every now and then, seems to take very long sometime
[09:56] <penfifteen> hi all, Kilos
[10:02] <Kilos> hi penfifteen 
[10:02] <Kilos> whats with the nick blaze
[10:10] <penfifteen> Kilos: main is used on other machine at home
[10:10] <Kilos> ah
[10:11] <penfifteen> as for the name of this one: type it out, with the fifteen as numbers ;)
[10:11] <Kilos> pen15
[10:11] <penfifteen> yeah
[10:15] <penfifteen> Kilos: you see what it looks like, right?
[10:15] <Kilos> nope
[10:41] <Kilos> haha what are bits and bytes in afrikaans
[10:42] <Kilos> stukkies en happies?
[10:44] <Kilos> afrikaans isnt an IT friendly language
[11:49] <magespawn> Symmetria, is there anyway to do a real world test on speed? there is now adsl available on the exchange here, so that would mean that i could remove the wireless links, but it is only a max speed of 2mb
[13:02] <betabertus8899> hey
[13:03] <betabertus8899> hey guys should you enable the pre-proposed updates?
[13:03] <betabertus8899> or will they cause to many problems
[13:25] <magespawn> betabertus8899, hi there, if you hang around a bit one of the guys will answer your question
[13:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/456060570887020544
[13:40] <betabertus8899> cool 
[14:00] <Private_User> afternoon people
[14:17] <Kilos> hi Private_User sorry was asleep
[14:19] <Private_User> no worries, hi Kilos
[14:21] <Kilos> lol are you still revving cellc?
[14:30] <Private_User> lol
[14:31] <Private_User> well internet seems to be fine at the moment
[14:31] <Private_User> touch wood
[14:31] <Private_User> ;)
[14:31] <Private_User> hehe
[14:39] <Kilos> wbb swopping drives
[14:44] <Kilos> nearly hometime you working guys
[14:45] <Vince-0> yees
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> woop woop
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> then time for the terrible 8km commute
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> bwahaha
[14:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:52] <magespawn> i am staying late at work today because the users moan when i do maintenance during the day
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!
[14:52] <Kilos> havent you traced the bad link yet magespawn  
[14:56] <Kilos> must be one of them wifi booster things not hot
[14:57] <Kilos> not_found  you at work?
[15:12] <magespawn> no i am busy moving the asterisk server from a virtualbox running on win 7 to its own machine
[15:12] <Kilos> ah
[15:12] <magespawn> then going around to one of the lodges to sort out two dstv decoders
[15:13] <Kilos> wow you do everything
[15:13] <Kilos> learning lots quickly
[15:39] <magespawn> now it is time to go to the lodge
[15:39] <Kilos> ok
[15:40] <magespawn> later all
[15:40] <Kilos> later mage
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:57] <Kilos> hi Wraz  
[16:55] <Squirm> nuvolari: ?
[17:31] <betabertus8899> hey guys
[17:32] <Kilos> hi betabertus8899  
[17:32] <Kilos> sorry i missed you today, was asleep
[17:32] <betabertus8899> hey man how's things?
[17:32] <Kilos> alive ty and you?
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <betabertus8899> yea good
[17:32] <Kilos> what have you fixed and what have you broken
[17:32] <Kilos> oh 
[17:33] <betabertus8899> i fixed the double sent mail issue
[17:33] <Kilos> i membered after we went off
[17:33] <Kilos> what was it?
[17:34] <Kilos> you can open synaptic and in edit at the top should be a fix broken option
[17:34] <betabertus8899> edit-account settings-copies and folders, then just unselect place copy in sent folder
[17:35] <Kilos> ah
[17:35] <betabertus8899> looks like thunderbird placed a copy and the server saves a copy
[17:35] <betabertus8899> very simple fix that took like 3 sec
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <betabertus8899> but took me like 4 hours seaching the net... yeah
[17:36] <Kilos> takes a while to learn
[17:36] <betabertus8899> haha so now sticking with thunderbird for now
[17:36] <betabertus8899> yea- a long time
[17:37] <betabertus8899> now busy looking for graphics driver for duel gpu laptop
[17:37] <Kilos> its a big move from windows to linux
[17:37] <betabertus8899> has intel hd 4000 and has GT740m Nvidia card - the machine then switches between them
[17:38] <Kilos> if you type in the dash additional it should then search for the drivers you need
[17:38] <betabertus8899> also managed to install the msoffice 2010 with playonlinux today! yeah
[17:38] <Kilos> you just download office
[17:38] <betabertus8899> yeah looked there, but shows noting
[17:39] <betabertus8899> i was looking around and found this for now, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation
[17:39] <Kilos> why do you need specific nvidia drivers
[17:39] <betabertus8899> looks like what i need, downloading now like 220mb size
[17:40] <betabertus8899> cuz its high end gaming card and there is no drivers standard
[17:40] <Kilos> do you do gaming 
[17:42] <betabertus8899> yes sometimes
[17:42] <betabertus8899> at the moment just using seam for linux and jamming some dota 2 
[17:43] <Kilos> steam?
[17:43] <betabertus8899> but poor graphic performance as just running with onboard
[17:43] <Kilos> you can try installing nvidia-current
[17:44] <Kilos> works well and when you get kernel upgrades you dont need to reinstall as with specific drivers
[17:44] <betabertus8899> yea... http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[17:44] <betabertus8899> amazing gaming options and works on linux!
[17:45] <betabertus8899> ok cool 
[17:45] <betabertus8899> how do i use nvidia-current?
[17:45] <Kilos> you got the install command inna noggin yet?
[17:45] <betabertus8899> for steam?
[17:45] <Kilos> what do you want to use? it just works
[17:46] <Kilos> well install nvidia-current and then get a steam game and see
[17:46] <betabertus8899> ok will try the method im using now, if not will try current
[17:46] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install nvidia-current
[17:46] <Kilos> it will install nvidia settings as well
[17:47] <Kilos> most likely 304
[17:48] <betabertus8899> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-319.17-driver
[17:48] <betabertus8899> this looks good
[17:48] <betabertus8899> maybe will install this
[17:48] <betabertus8899> if the bumblebee does not work
[17:48] <Kilos> oh you using 64bit?
[17:49] <betabertus8899> yes
[17:50] <Kilos> cool
[17:52] <betabertus8899> is hardcore gaming possible on linux?
[17:52] <Kilos> with steam ya
[17:52] <Kilos> you need to ask the gamers
[17:52] <betabertus8899> haha ok
[17:52] <Kilos> not_found  you here?
[17:53] <Kilos> maybe neil will know
[17:53] <betabertus8899> ok cool 
[17:53] <betabertus8899> if anyone knows please share
[17:53] <Kilos> i just do basic stuff that doesnt cost
[17:53] <betabertus8899> like if i wanted to play call of duty
[17:53] <betabertus8899> or battlefield
[17:54] <betabertus8899> would that be possible?
[17:57] <Kilos> are they games for windows?
[17:57] <Kilos> those games in playonlinux should work
[18:10] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[18:10] <theblazehen> hi!
[18:10] <theblazehen> I got a better IRC client :D
[18:10] <Kilos> what you got now
[18:10] <theblazehen> weechat :)
[18:10] <Kilos> na
[18:12] <theblazehen> oops..
[18:27] <Kilos> theblazehen  what was i supposed to see with that nick
[18:28] <theblazehen> Kilos: ah yes.. 1 = i, 5 = S
[18:28] <Kilos> i dont understand
[18:29] <Kilos> im on another drive so dont see what it was
[18:29] <theblazehen> it was pen 15 - change 1 to i, 5 ro s
[18:29] <theblazehen> it was pen 15 - change 1 to i, 5 to s *
[18:30] <Kilos> sis man
[18:30] <Kilos> hehe
[18:30] <theblazehen> lol :p
[18:30] <theblazehen> I admit: I'm kinda immature sometimes
[18:30] <Kilos> haha
[19:04] <theblazehen> join ##ipominer
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:32] <betabertus8899> hello?