slickymaster | ok, knome | 00:00 |
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knome | yeppers. | 00:00 |
slickymaster | I think we have the community stuff almost ready | 00:00 |
knome | hey bluesabre | 00:00 |
bluesabre | hey knome | 00:01 |
knome | yep, only some text tweaks, but the content is there | 00:01 |
slickymaster | hey bluesabre | 00:01 |
bluesabre | anything I need to do? | 00:01 |
bluesabre | hey slickymaster | 00:01 |
knome | let's add some photo from the community wallpaper contest + some nice text | 00:01 |
* bluesabre is upgrading his desktop to trusty | 00:01 | |
knome | bluesabre, i filed yet another menulibre bug | 00:01 |
bluesabre | I saw that | 00:01 |
bluesabre | or... "oh you!" | 00:01 |
knome | haha | 00:02 |
knome | that was really random. | 00:02 |
knome | it just flipped over on me. | 00:02 |
bluesabre | anyway you could attach your .menu file? | 00:02 |
bluesabre | *any way | 00:02 |
knome | i'll do that when i'm on wife's laptop next time | 00:02 |
bluesabre | thanks | 00:02 |
knome | how do i make sure which menu file menulibre uses? | 00:02 |
bluesabre | if you use xfce | 00:03 |
knome | that would be useful information somewhere | 00:03 |
bluesabre | its xfce4-applications.menu | 00:03 |
slickymaster | knome, some nice text? about the artwork? | 00:03 |
bluesabre | yeah, I need to add a bug reporting guide to my docs | 00:03 |
bluesabre | I would you could add bug reporting guidelines to launchpad | 00:03 |
bluesabre | *wish | 00:03 |
bluesabre | I suck at typing today | 00:03 |
knome | bluesabre, well since menulibre knows the exact file path, you could print that somewhere | 00:03 |
knome | (on request) | 00:03 |
bluesabre | ah | 00:04 |
bluesabre | I think it might | 00:04 |
bluesabre | with -vv | 00:04 |
knome | aha | 00:04 |
bluesabre | but maybe not | 00:04 |
knome | you could also make it a command line parameter to edit any file | 00:04 |
bluesabre | yeah, but that would probably cause me more grief | 00:04 |
knome | i know it's a border case, but sounds trivial to do | 00:05 |
knome | really? | 00:05 |
bluesabre | though its on my todo list | 00:05 |
knome | heh, okay | 00:05 |
bluesabre | my blog is getting too popular it seems | 00:05 |
bluesabre | every time I post something its like a DOS attack | 00:05 |
knome | "too popular" :P | 00:05 |
bluesabre | have to restart the server | 00:05 |
knome | hahah | 00:06 |
bluesabre | its not even a blog | 00:06 |
bluesabre | its release notes | 00:06 |
bluesabre | :( | 00:06 |
knome | have you got a cache plugin in place? | 00:06 |
lderan | :( | 00:06 |
bluesabre | I've tried | 00:06 |
bluesabre | but those don't help | 00:06 |
knome | aha... | 00:06 |
bluesabre | and created some interesting issues today | 00:06 |
bluesabre | it cached the dead page | 00:06 |
bluesabre | that was fun | 00:06 |
knome | hah | 00:06 |
bluesabre | going to push my server to 14.04 when it becomes available to digital ocean | 00:08 |
bluesabre | hopefully that will help | 00:08 |
knome | you know what'll help? use debian | 00:08 |
* knome hides | 00:08 | |
bluesabre | I've considered it | 00:08 |
bluesabre | :] | 00:08 |
bluesabre | or centos | 00:08 |
bluesabre | but rpm is just evil | 00:08 |
* bluesabre also hides | 00:09 | |
bluesabre | I'm actually upgrading my server over vnc, so this will be more fun potentially | 00:09 |
Unit193 | bluesabre: Can't just update it? | 00:09 |
bluesabre | s/server/desktop | 00:09 |
Unit193 | VNC?! :P | 00:09 |
Unit193 | Use ssh? | 00:10 |
bluesabre | too lazy | 00:10 |
bluesabre | and can't count that as a test | 00:10 |
Unit193 | Why not? | 00:11 |
knome | bluesabre, haven't heard too good things about centos, but no firsthand experience | 00:11 |
lderan | have had to use it in the past | 00:11 |
bluesabre | Unit193: not listed on the tracker | 00:11 |
Unit193 | bluesabre: Upgrade tests. | 00:12 |
bluesabre | no terminal upgrade test | 00:12 |
knome | bluesabre, don't tell anyone, but i reported one CLI upgrade test as well | 00:12 |
bluesabre | :O | 00:12 |
bluesabre | cheater! | 00:12 |
knome | yep | 00:12 |
Unit193 | Or, err, if you need to use upgrade-manager, then you'll have to remove all of mine... | 00:12 |
slickymaster | -qa lead will poke for that knome | 00:13 |
slickymaster | +you | 00:13 |
Unit193 | slickymaster: So I'll get multipoked. :P | 00:13 |
knome | Unit193, in both eyeeees! | 00:13 |
lderan | huzzah :P | 00:13 |
knome | *prod!* | 00:13 |
slickymaster | yeah Unit193, that will come your way, too | 00:13 |
Unit193 | slickymaster: Only worse, I reported 4. :P | 00:14 |
knome | so will have to poke you in both eyes, twice | 00:14 |
* slickymaster laughs really loud | 00:14 | |
knome | or only once for the other if you count the lower... nevermind. | 00:14 |
guest2152352 | If something goes wrong in this upgrade, it will stop or something, won't it? That is, I don't have to physically sit here and watch the progress bar slowly increment / stuff zip past in terminal, right? | 00:15 |
knome | guest2152352, doesn't the testcase tell you to sit still with one finger in your nose? that's another testcase bug... | 00:15 |
guest2152352 | Bah | 00:15 |
knome | yeah, feel free to wander around | 00:16 |
knome | if that was a requirement, i would get more poking in the eyes | 00:16 |
guest2152352 | It's 6:15 and my stomach is rumbling. Just want to make sure it's not going to do any 'click here to not light your computer on fire in 5...4....3...' type shenanigans. :P | 00:16 |
slickymaster | ah ah ah | 00:16 |
lderan | knome, and no one would like that | 00:16 |
knome | guest2152352, hmm, it might... ;) | 00:17 |
Unit193 | guest2152352: No, it'd just sit tight and wait for you to respond, or does with do-release-upgrade. | 00:17 |
slickymaster | well it will ask something about libd6 IIRC guest2152352 | 00:17 |
Unit193 | libc, genious. | 00:17 |
lderan | guest2152352, i didn't get a countdown :P | 00:17 |
knome | Unit193, same with GUI | 00:17 |
knome | slickymaster, libc6 :P | 00:17 |
knome | slickymaster, and most probably xscreensaver/xlockmore | 00:17 |
slickymaster | yes | 00:18 |
knome | and possibly at least one other configuration file | 00:18 |
guest2152352 | It had me stop the screensaver when it first started, but hasn't done anything since. But okeydoke, and thanks for the help so far, by the way. | 00:18 |
Unit193 | Oh come on? No one bit the misspelling? :'( | 00:18 |
knome | Unit193, lol | 00:18 |
slickymaster | yes for libc6 knome, not for the xscreensaver | 00:18 |
slickymaster | it doesn't does nothing with it during the upgrade | 00:19 |
knome | you mean "doesn't do anything" :P | 00:19 |
slickymaster | Unit193, let's poke XPL while he's still XPL | 00:20 |
slickymaster | :P | 00:20 |
knome | hah | 00:20 |
lderan | slickymaster, sounds good to me :P | 00:21 |
bluesabre | I'm in | 00:21 |
bluesabre | knome | 00:21 |
bluesabre | poke | 00:21 |
* knome considers writing a script that hides the quit+next join message if the quit message is "Changing host" | 00:21 | |
bluesabre | Changing host | 00:21 |
knome | bluesabre, quit message! | 00:22 |
bluesabre | close enough | 00:22 |
knome | hah | 00:22 |
knome | /kick bluesabre Quit message | 00:22 |
* bluesabre [~sean@is_awesome] has quit [Changing host] | 00:22 | |
knome | lol | 00:23 |
knome | invalid host | 00:23 |
bluesabre | bah | 00:23 |
lderan | :P | 00:23 |
Unit193 | slickymaster: Good plan. | 00:23 |
bluesabre | wrong one starrats | 00:24 |
knome | haha | 00:24 |
knome | slickymaster, which one is better? | 00:30 |
knome | the former one is a bit verbose | 00:31 |
knome | somehow... | 00:31 |
knome | and kind of feels like it's circling around the issue | 00:31 |
knome | and repeating a bit | 00:31 |
slickymaster | yes, I see that way too | 00:32 |
knome | default artwork, desktop looks, themes | 00:32 |
slickymaster | you're right | 00:32 |
knome | i'd love if we could squeeze in a section or two | 00:33 |
knome | and more artwork | 00:33 |
knome | obviously... | 00:33 |
slickymaster | well, there's the wallpaper to be added | 00:34 |
knome | mhm | 00:34 |
knome | thinking we could use just the mouse as well | 00:34 |
slickymaster | without a question | 00:35 |
slickymaster | thing is what about the other one? | 00:35 |
knome | i'm bored with desktop screenshots | 00:35 |
knome | other one what? :) | 00:35 |
knome | you lost me in a second. | 00:36 |
slickymaster | the community wallpaper. which one where you thinking of using? | 00:36 |
knome | oh, no idea | 00:36 |
knome | throw a die? | 00:36 |
knome | :) | 00:36 |
slickymaster | you'll end up with a voting within the -website team | 00:37 |
slickymaster | as for make the desktop your own, I would only stick to your wallpaper | 00:37 |
knome | or the mouse? | 00:38 |
slickymaster | that's the one I'm talking about | 00:38 |
slickymaster | aren't they the same?! | 00:38 |
knome | i mean, just the mouse part | 00:38 |
knome | not the whole wallpaper | 00:38 |
slickymaster | oh | 00:38 |
slickymaster | yes, just the mouse part | 00:39 |
knome | yep | 00:39 |
slickymaster | BTW, let me say it again | 00:39 |
slickymaster | god damn fabulous wallpaper | 00:39 |
knome | hehe | 00:39 |
guest2152352 | ? | 00:39 |
knome | thanks thanks | 00:39 |
slickymaster | butt, all and all I think we have the tour page more than stitched up | 00:41 |
knome | well, probably | 00:43 |
knome | let's leave it simmering for a bit | 00:44 |
slickymaster | hmmm, that means that hyou're not happy with it | 00:44 |
knome | well as i said, maybe one or two sections more | 00:45 |
knome | and with those, some artwork or something | 00:45 |
knome | i think we could go with "balance" for the community wallpaper choice | 00:46 |
knome | that's colorful and works in a smaller size as well | 00:46 |
slickymaster | what sections were you thinking of' | 00:46 |
knome | that's the problem... i don't know ;) | 00:47 |
knome | hardware support? | 00:47 |
knome | (with ubuntu core stuff maybe) | 00:47 |
slickymaster | what is the balance one? I just remember ochosi's (the one with the rocks/pebbles) and one with a mountain | 00:47 |
knome | http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ | 00:47 |
slickymaster | good catch knome, the hardware support is something to be addressed | 00:48 |
slickymaster | that's the winner, right? | 00:49 |
knome | no, just alphabetically first :P | 00:50 |
knome | they are all winners | 00:50 |
knome | we didn't pick one "best" | 00:50 |
knome | hmm... | 00:56 |
slickymaster | oh, don't know where I got that idea from | 00:56 |
knome | i'm thikning you're not thinking what i am thinking | 00:57 |
slickymaster | apparently, most definitely not | 00:57 |
slickymaster | what are you thinking? | 00:58 |
knome | see the pad :) | 00:59 |
slickymaster | you wanted to be inclusive and not the other way around | 00:59 |
knome | well, we speak about "older machines" already | 01:00 |
knome | and lightweightness | 01:00 |
knome | now we want to expand to "plugin your device, it'll probably work" | 01:00 |
slickymaster | not in the tour page | 01:00 |
knome | hmm? | 01:00 |
knome | Xubuntu is built around lightweight software with a lot of consideration on usability. Whether you have a high-end computer or even a moderately older machine, Xubuntu is able to provide you with a smooth and usable desktop experience. | 01:00 |
slickymaster | well, that's a bit broader | 01:01 |
slickymaster | but you were right I wasn't thinking what you were thinking :P | 01:03 |
knome | hehe | 01:03 |
knome | i think it's fair to give some credit to ubuntu as well | 01:03 |
knome | though i *am* thinking it would fit well in the existing section | 01:03 |
slickymaster | okay, and TBH I think that having "A good balance" as first topic/section is quite a good choice | 01:05 |
knome | yes, seems to flow better now | 01:05 |
slickymaster | it lands perfectly, because it manages to have a dual meaning, both as a begining and an end | 01:05 |
knome | yeah, i really like this flow now | 01:06 |
knome | i actually think we should land this now | 01:06 |
knome | and keep on improving if we find things to fix | 01:06 |
slickymaster | I'm happy with it | 01:06 |
slickymaster | of course | 01:06 |
knome | lderan, want to do a grammar check? | 01:06 |
lderan | yup | 01:07 |
knome | bbiab | 01:07 |
knome | lderan, ping me when you are done and i'll get that up | 01:11 |
lderan | i don't see anything else | 01:12 |
knome | oki | 01:12 |
bluesabre | sheesh | 01:13 |
knome | bluesabre, wah? | 01:13 |
bluesabre | I'm not sure what any of you are thinking most of the time | 01:13 |
knome | ? :D | 01:13 |
bluesabre | :D | 01:13 |
slickymaster | one more item to hold a check status in | 01:13 |
slickymaster | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs | 01:13 |
lderan | cheese at the moment | 01:13 |
knome | lderan, lol! | 01:13 |
bluesabre | :) | 01:14 |
slickymaster | lol | 01:14 |
knome | i litearlly laughed out loud | 01:14 |
slickymaster | so did I | 01:14 |
* knome laughs more imagining lderan thinking about cheese | 01:14 | |
knome | reminds me of wallace and gromit | 01:14 |
knome | which i'm sure is on pleia2's highlight | 01:14 |
slickymaster | that reminds that's it's 2:15 AM overe here | 01:15 |
knome | hah | 01:15 |
slickymaster | time for a late snack | 01:15 |
knome | put +2 to that | 01:15 |
lderan | :P | 01:15 |
slickymaster | yeah, your timezone is a b%&$% | 01:15 |
* slickymaster goes to the freezer to get himself some icecream | 01:16 | |
knome | lol | 01:16 |
lderan | yeah i get the same thing knome on the upgrade | 01:23 |
knome | lderan, mhm... | 01:24 |
lderan | now i must sleep, thankfully working from home...today :P | 01:24 |
lderan | good night all :) | 01:24 |
knome | good night, and good luck :) | 01:24 |
knome | slickymaster, some progress at http://xubuntu.org/tour/ | 01:27 |
slickymaster | checking it now | 01:28 |
slickymaster | I almost forgot the new layout | 01:29 |
knome | hehe | 01:29 |
slickymaster | knome, you forgot your wallpaper in the make the desktop your own item | 01:29 |
knome | i didn't | 01:30 |
knome | i said "some progress" | 01:30 |
knome | ;) | 01:30 |
slickymaster | another thing, is it the wordpress forcing the size of the font in the banner with the images | 01:30 |
slickymaster | it's smaller | 01:31 |
knome | no | 01:31 |
knome | well, it's the "regular" font size | 01:31 |
knome | i think it's okay | 01:31 |
knome | try to make the browser narrower | 01:31 |
slickymaster | just curious | 01:31 |
slickymaster | will do | 01:31 |
knome | it works pretty well in the smallest size as well | 01:31 |
slickymaster | hm hm | 01:31 |
knome | a bit of a breath at that point is good as well | 01:31 |
knome | imo | 01:31 |
slickymaster | seeing it now | 01:31 |
knome | but we can improve that to the end of the world ;) | 01:32 |
slickymaster | yeah agree | 01:32 |
slickymaster | it's pretty good | 01:32 |
slickymaster | it just lacks your 'mouse' | 01:32 |
knome | yep | 01:33 |
knome | working on it | 01:33 |
knome | hmmm.... | 01:34 |
knome | :P | 01:34 |
knome | need to work on the color | 01:36 |
* slickymaster has to poke pleia2 about the fact that the portuguese link isn't listed in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/ section | 01:37 | |
knome | slickymaster, paste me the links and i'll add it in a sec | 01:39 |
slickymaster | good point knome | 01:41 |
slickymaster | let me see if I can find them | 01:42 |
knome | http://spreadubuntu.org/pt-br/material/poster/portuguese-br-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4 | 01:42 |
knome | that's the pt-br | 01:42 |
knome | http://spreadubuntu.org/pt/material/poster/portuguese-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4 | 01:43 |
knome | there we go | 01:43 |
knome | doh | 01:44 |
knome | that's the blog article | 01:44 |
knome | slickymaster, http://xubuntu.org/products/ | 01:44 |
slickymaster | http://spreadubuntu.org/files/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.png | 01:44 |
slickymaster | http://spreadubuntu.org/files/huge/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.pdf | 01:44 |
slickymaster | http://spreadubuntu.org/files/source/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.svg | 01:44 |
slickymaster | so it's in another page | 01:45 |
slickymaster | great | 01:47 |
slickymaster | much better now knome | 01:47 |
knome | i updated the article | 01:47 |
knome | now it points equally to the products page | 01:48 |
knome | i'm not completely satisfied with the mouse color, but i'll look at it later | 01:48 |
knome | it's good enough for now | 01:48 |
slickymaster | i like the work with the grades of pink | 01:49 |
knome | i'm also thinking one more thing | 01:49 |
slickymaster | what? | 01:49 |
knome | rip off the mouse from the blue background | 01:49 |
knome | and put it in between the green/blue boxes a similar fashion as the wallpapers | 01:50 |
knome | and say something about xfce and the xubuntu logo | 01:50 |
slickymaster | theoretically it has everything to work | 01:51 |
slickymaster | visually I mean | 01:51 |
knome | it would give again more space to breath | 01:51 |
knome | we'll do that! | 01:51 |
knome | slickymaster, refresh | 01:57 |
slickymaster | I like it | 01:59 |
slickymaster | and it does opens the page | 01:59 |
knome | lol | 01:59 |
knome | the one on the top was not on purpose :D | 01:59 |
knome | (the mouse jumped at the page title!) | 01:59 |
slickymaster | don't remove it though | 02:00 |
knome | i did | 02:00 |
knome | it was meh | 02:00 |
slickymaster | didn't thought that | 02:00 |
slickymaster | any way, really like the page | 02:01 |
* knome pokes the mouse a bit more | 02:02 | |
slickymaster | its color? | 02:02 |
knome | hmm, trying to add a white "glow" under it | 02:02 |
knome | but don't seem to work very well :P | 02:02 |
slickymaster | the background color isn't much of a help | 02:03 |
knome | getting a nice glow would involve manually adjusting the padding and stuff | 02:03 |
knome | won't go that route | 02:04 |
slickymaster | lol | 02:04 |
slickymaster | at least at this hour | 02:04 |
knome | mm | 02:04 |
knome | yeah, but i really like this too | 02:04 |
slickymaster | I'm happy with it | 02:04 |
slickymaster | it was a productive session | 02:04 |
knome | yep, and it concludes the -docs blueprint! | 02:05 |
slickymaster | yes, that was the last item | 02:05 |
slickymaster | last man standing | 02:05 |
knome | next is marketing | 02:05 |
knome | let's try to squeeze in a session with the flyer content some day | 02:05 |
knome | it's almost ready | 02:05 |
knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers | 02:05 |
knome | design-wise as well... | 02:05 |
slickymaster | okay, I'll try to help | 02:06 |
slickymaster | never had done much marketing stuff | 02:06 |
knome | well you did today ;) | 02:06 |
knome | but really, look at the wikipage | 02:06 |
knome | we pretty much only need to fill in that one gap on the middle of the page | 02:07 |
knome | the rest will autofill with copyright notices et al | 02:07 |
knome | and then rethink the frontpage | 02:07 |
knome | and that's it really | 02:07 |
slickymaster | are you refrrinf to the Formats? | 02:07 |
knome | no, scroll down | 02:07 |
slickymaster | *referring | 02:07 |
knome | there's an image | 02:08 |
knome | which is an export from a working copy | 02:08 |
slickymaster | I see | 02:08 |
knome | and once we get the content ready.. i can pretty much directly export the PDF's | 02:08 |
slickymaster | desing wise it's not pretty | 02:09 |
knome | really? | 02:09 |
knome | thanks! :P | 02:09 |
knome | you got to remember we are limiting ourself to home printers | 02:09 |
slickymaster | don't take it like that | 02:09 |
knome | so can't make anything overlap or go too close to page border | 02:09 |
knome | and it will need to work in b&w | 02:09 |
slickymaster | it's too conservative, that's what I meant | 02:10 |
knome | those two things limit what we can do, a lot | 02:10 |
knome | huh, you should have seen the working copy without the images :P | 02:10 |
slickymaster | you see, I wasn't taking in considerations those factors | 02:10 |
knome | it used to be utter poop ;) | 02:10 |
slickymaster | i believe you | 02:11 |
knome | now it's at least informative, and doesn't make you puke (at least immediately) | 02:11 |
slickymaster | we can work on it tomorrow | 02:11 |
slickymaster | if you're free | 02:11 |
knome | dunno, wife has a day off ;> | 02:11 |
slickymaster | I was referring at night | 02:12 |
knome | yes... i said wife has a day off ;P | 02:12 |
slickymaster | wednesday or thursday | 02:13 |
knome | heh, well | 02:13 |
knome | i'll be around for the meeting | 02:13 |
slickymaster | i'll be home until next Monday | 02:13 |
knome | you remember we have a meeting, right? | 02:13 |
slickymaster | yes | 02:13 |
knome | good | 02:13 |
slickymaster | and I'll be able to make it | 02:13 |
knome | i'll be around at some time tomorrow | 02:13 |
knome | let's see how schedules work | 02:14 |
knome | and let's try to get pleia2 give us an opinion or two | 02:14 |
slickymaster | ok, I'll be moderating the forums | 02:14 |
knome | who's clearly hiding! | 02:14 |
slickymaster | she's under the same symptoms that Unit193's alter ego is showing | 02:15 |
knome | nah | 02:16 |
knome | this is her awake-time :P | 02:16 |
slickymaster | :) | 02:16 |
slickymaster | if I caught her off guard, I'll poke her | 02:17 |
knome | heh | 02:17 |
knome | hmm. | 02:18 |
knome | i still have something WIP | 02:18 |
knome | :D | 02:18 |
knome | !12.10 | 02:18 |
ubottu | 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) was the 17th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1210 | 02:18 |
knome | pfft | 02:18 |
knome | !eol | 02:19 |
ubottu | End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 02:19 |
knome | pfft | 02:19 |
slickymaster | what are you chasing knome | 02:19 |
slickymaster | ? | 02:19 |
knome | if 12.10 is already eol or not | 02:19 |
knome | it must be one of these days | 02:20 |
Unit193 | No, 3 days. | 02:20 |
slickymaster | yeaps | 02:20 |
knome | Unit193, before or after release day? | 02:20 |
knome | or on? | 02:20 |
Unit193 | Supposed to be after. | 02:20 |
knome | aha | 02:20 |
slickymaster | I think is to be after trusty release | 02:20 |
Unit193 | Upgrade path and all... | 02:20 |
knome | can we dismiss that and take the docs for 12.10 down that day? | 02:20 |
Unit193 | I'd say so. :P | 02:21 |
* slickymaster is no longer here | 02:21 | |
slickymaster | cy | 02:21 |
bluesabre | ok, this should work more efficiently now | 02:25 |
bluesabre | :) | 02:25 |
knome | pleia2, i've prepared https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage for you <3 | 02:25 |
knome | bluesabre, did you take a look at http://xubuntu.org/tour/ ? | 02:25 |
bluesabre | why is the font with the mouse and with the screenshots smaller? | 02:26 |
knome | oh come on! :D | 02:26 |
knome | it's the regular size | 02:26 |
bluesabre | its inconsistent | 02:26 |
knome | everything else is just bigger | 02:26 |
knome | no.. it's lesser importance | 02:26 |
bluesabre | eh, I think it would be better if it were the same | 02:27 |
knome | eh, the time came and went ;) | 02:27 |
bluesabre | but thats just me | 02:27 |
knome | i've been thinkin abou that as well... | 02:27 |
knome | and i keep coming back to the conclusion it's okay this way | 02:27 |
knome | maybe the smaller text parts should be longer | 02:27 |
bluesabre | >.> | 02:34 |
Unit193 | Yeah, I did that one. | 02:34 |
pleia2 | knome: cool | 04:05 |
elfy | if anyone comes here wanting to know what we need testing - push them at upgrades if possible | 07:11 |
elfy | I've got through a basic set of vbox tests this morning - will do some hardware ones later | 07:11 |
elfy | not had time to do live session checks - so that's something people can do as well | 07:12 |
elfy | tracker is down atm though ... | 07:12 |
jhenke | goood morning guys | 07:41 |
jhenke | great work everybody the iso from yesterday seems clean! | 07:54 |
knome | elfy, will do | 08:15 |
jhenke | found a minor bug, mostly just annoying, bug 1307897 | 08:19 |
ubottu | bug 1307897 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "locking screen with light-locker disables num pad led, while the numpad itself remains turned on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307897 | 08:19 |
knome | heh | 08:19 |
knome | weird one | 08:19 |
knome | hummm | 08:20 |
jhenke | yes it is, but as I said just annoying as the LED is not corresponding to the state of the num pad anymore | 08:20 |
knome | i locked, then unlocked, and now it says light-locker isn't running | 08:20 |
jhenke | I guess light-locker still needs some polichment :) | 08:22 |
knome | actually, i can't reproduce your bug | 08:22 |
knome | for me, numlock+ĺed is turned off, and when i unlock, it's off | 08:22 |
knome | no, wait | 08:22 |
jhenke | knome: I was expecting it, but it is reproducebale on this PC | 08:22 |
knome | when i unlock, the led is off but numlock is on | 08:22 |
jhenke | ahh, yes that is what I mean | 08:22 |
knome | but in light-locker, it works as expected | 08:22 |
knome | hmph, now it worked again | 08:23 |
knome | and now light-locker is not running again | 08:24 |
brainwash | light-locker is causing some trouble due to the vt switch | 08:25 |
knome | brainwash, is it normal that after you unlock, light-locker-command -l just says "** Message: light-locker is not running" :| | 08:25 |
brainwash | did it crash? you can start it with "light-locker --debug" and watch what exactly happens | 08:26 |
knome | yep | 08:26 |
knome | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254054/ | 08:28 |
brainwash | oh :/ | 08:28 |
brainwash | so it crashes every time you start light-locker and lock the screen? | 08:30 |
knome | yep... | 08:30 |
brainwash | this is rather bad | 08:30 |
jhenke | bbl | 08:30 |
brainwash | not running in the background -> no locking anymore | 08:30 |
knome | yep. | 08:30 |
knome | can you follow me through how i'll get the backtrace for you or should i just file the bug without it? | 08:32 |
brainwash | you could run it with gdb | 08:35 |
brainwash | and file a bug report on https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues | 08:35 |
knome | just 'gdb light-locker' ? | 08:35 |
brainwash | yes | 08:36 |
knome | what about the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE env var? | 08:36 |
brainwash | do two runs | 08:36 |
knome | hmm, running under gdb means no light-locker running | 08:36 |
knome | will i have to run light-locker-command -l in a special way? | 08:36 |
brainwash | did you actually start light-locker in gdb? | 08:37 |
brainwash | with "run" | 08:37 |
knome | no | 08:37 |
knome | :P | 08:37 |
knome | i told you you need to follow me through | 08:37 |
brainwash | maybe you should read a tutorial about gdb first :D | 08:37 |
knome | NAWWH! | 08:37 |
brainwash | after it crashes you type "bt full" | 08:38 |
brainwash | but I'm thinking, maybe it's related to the compositor, can you disable it and test again? | 08:39 |
knome | can do that | 08:39 |
knome | terminal went unresponsive | 08:39 |
brainwash | mmh | 08:40 |
knome | no, same without compositor | 08:40 |
brainwash | maybe you really need to run GDK_SYNCHRONIZE=1 gdb light-locker | 08:40 |
knome | guess it's ok to run from a TTY1? | 08:40 |
brainwash | uhm no | 08:41 |
knome | okay | 08:41 |
brainwash | try with env var first | 08:41 |
knome | still makes terminal unresponsive | 08:42 |
knome | i can't type anything, i can close the windows though | 08:43 |
brainwash | mmh | 08:45 |
brainwash | is apport already deactivated? | 08:45 |
knome | no | 08:45 |
knome | or, i don't think it is | 08:45 |
brainwash | maybe the crash does not trigger it | 08:46 |
knome | mhm | 08:46 |
brainwash | perhaps someone in #ubuntu-devel has an idea | 08:47 |
knome | bah, i don't have *too* much time for this now :/ | 08:47 |
brainwash | and I don't have a clue how to handle this crash :/ | 08:48 |
brainwash | hopefully it won't affect many people | 08:48 |
knome | yep | 08:48 |
knome | i don't really *need* locking here | 08:48 |
knome | i just wanted to reproduce jhenke's bug | 08:48 |
knome | it might have something to do with the nvidia proprietary drivers and dual monitor setup... | 08:49 |
brainwash | ah, but you should still file a bug report and mention which hardware and graphics driver you use | 08:49 |
knome | i'll file that later | 08:49 |
brainwash | ok :) | 08:49 |
knome | actually, could do it now | 08:50 |
knome | quickly... | 08:50 |
knome | bug 1307929 | 08:58 |
ubottu | bug 1307929 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "light-locker crashes on every unlock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307929 | 08:58 |
amigamagic | I tried to do light-locker in a terminal and it doesn't happens nothing | 09:06 |
amigamagic | I should do it with sudo ? | 09:06 |
brainwash | no | 09:08 |
brainwash | what do you expect to happen? | 09:08 |
amigamagic | I should give some paramters to it? | 09:08 |
brainwash | does it return to the prompt? | 09:08 |
amigamagic | no | 09:09 |
brainwash | so it's running | 09:09 |
amigamagic | I have to press CTRL-C to return to the prompt | 09:09 |
brainwash | so what exactly are you trying to achieve? | 09:09 |
brainwash | you want some debug output? | 09:10 |
amigamagic | I was trying to reproduce the reported bug | 09:11 |
brainwash | add --debug to the command | 09:11 |
brainwash | light-locker --debug | 09:11 |
amigamagic | ok... Exactly what should do this command? | 09:12 |
brainwash | it starts light-locker in debug mode | 09:12 |
brainwash | then you lock the session with "light-locker-command -l" | 09:13 |
amigamagic | ah ok | 09:13 |
amigamagic | it works | 09:14 |
amigamagic | it goes to the lock screen | 09:14 |
amigamagic | is it a problem that concerns only nvidia card users? | 09:15 |
brainwash | maybe | 09:16 |
amigamagic | btw, I have a very very slow thunar when it tries to resolve names of a windows share. I think the problem is related with my current ethernet drivers, because on a virtual machine it's not so slow. I mean: 4-5 minutes to browse a windows share I think is a little too much... | 09:18 |
brainwash | only with thunar? | 09:18 |
amigamagic | with nautilus is a little faster, but is always slow | 09:19 |
amigamagic | natulus at least gives feedback to the user when it's trying to resolve host names (like a spinning icon, a info window, etc.). Thunar doesn't tell you nothing... It just leaves you with an unresponsive window until it has resolved the host names. | 09:21 |
knome | amigamagic, this isn't the right channel to ask about that. | 09:21 |
amigamagic | knome, being that I think it's more an ethernet driver problem, there is a channel where I could report this? | 09:22 |
knome | to be honest, there probably is, but i really don't know | 09:23 |
knome | it might be good to ask just #ubuntu first | 09:23 |
amigamagic | ok, thanks | 09:24 |
olbi | guys, we need two clocs in top right corner? :) | 09:29 |
amigamagic | olbi, this will be solved in the final release | 09:30 |
olbi | ok :-) | 09:30 |
knome | olbi, did you install the latest daily? | 09:30 |
olbi | yesterday or today? | 09:30 |
knome | well either | 09:30 |
olbi | I have from 14 april for now | 09:31 |
brainwash | 14-Apr-2014 21:54 | 09:35 |
brainwash | only the 4 indicators which we want to ship are present on the iso | 09:36 |
knome | bluesabre, humph, bug 1213837 in *live* session, really? | 09:50 |
ubottu | bug 1213837 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Unable to change session or language after logout" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213837 | 09:50 |
knome | i mean... who logs out of the live session? | 09:50 |
zequence | I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the extra indicator things, which I only now realized may have been to do with ubuntu-control-center | 09:53 |
zequence | (in Ubuntu Studio) | 09:53 |
zequence | I have gnome power applet as well. Do you have that? | 09:54 |
knome | yes, they were related to unity-* | 09:54 |
knome | zequence, can't see the gnome power applet here | 09:55 |
zequence | knome: So, making that depend into a recommend solved it for you guys? | 09:55 |
zequence | knome: Did you have it before? | 09:55 |
knome | i don't have the definite answer to that, probably not | 09:55 |
knome | did you look at your germinate output? | 09:55 |
zequence | No. Just trying to get a quick answer. I'll figure it out | 09:56 |
slickymaster | morning guys | 09:56 |
knome | hey slickymaster | 09:56 |
knome | zequence, sorry for not having one :) | 09:56 |
amigamagic | hey guys, in trusty there is no more a notifier icon for update notifications? | 10:29 |
amigamagic | I noticed that there is this bug still open and maybe it affects the 14.04 release too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364 | 10:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1246364 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "update-notifier does not show a tray icon in xubuntu 13.10" [Low,Confirmed] | 10:31 |
starrats | I swear the other day I got a software updater popped up on the upper left hand corner for me to do an update on Truty Tahr 14.04 | 10:35 |
knome | amigamagic, "maybe"? please try to confirm it, don't expect others to | 10:38 |
bluesabre | wow guys | 10:40 |
bluesabre | yes, there is no update indicator | 10:40 |
bluesabre | it went away in 13.10 | 10:40 |
amigamagic | knome, how can I check if I have update notifications? | 10:40 |
amigamagic | until now I have not seen them | 10:40 |
bluesabre | instead, the update window pops up when there are updates | 10:40 |
amigamagic | bluesabre, so there should be only a popup window? Can I check if it works? | 10:41 |
amigamagic | there is something like a simulated update so I could check if the windows pop-ups? | 10:41 |
bluesabre | sudo apt-get update | 10:42 |
bluesabre | from the terminal | 10:42 |
bluesabre | after a while, if there are updates available, the window will pop up | 10:42 |
amigamagic | ok thanks bluesabre, I will try it now | 10:43 |
bluesabre | you can also manually check for updates from Settings -> Software Updater | 10:43 |
starrats | if you do daily updates, like I do, then you wouldn't have to worry about the softweare updater, IMO | 10:47 |
amigamagic | bluesabre, until now I have no updates windows | 10:48 |
amigamagic | I've done a sudo apt-get update from some minutes | 10:48 |
bluesabre | ok, when did you last update your system? | 10:48 |
amigamagic | maybe 12 hours ago | 10:49 |
amigamagic | about 12 hours ago | 10:49 |
bluesabre | if you do sudo apt-get upgrade, are any updates listed? | 10:49 |
amigamagic | yes there are | 10:49 |
bluesabre | ok, there may be a minimum time. It's worked consistently all throughout the development cycle | 10:50 |
amigamagic | maybe I should try to create a new account and check if they shows up there? | 10:50 |
amigamagic | I moved some things in the xfce panel | 10:50 |
amigamagic | like the panel was up, and I moved it down | 10:51 |
amigamagic | and I disabled the duplicated clock | 10:51 |
bluesabre | you might want to check on #ubuntu -- the software-updater is one of their applications | 10:51 |
bluesabre | I don't know the full details of it myself | 10:51 |
bluesabre | or on #xubuntu, where there are more support people | 10:52 |
amigamagic | ok, last thing: is the window a pop-up or is it a normal window? | 10:52 |
amigamagic | because I have one monitor with two pc attached, so I cannot always see that screen... If the window is displayed and then it disappear after 10 seconds, probabily I will not see this notification... | 10:53 |
amigamagic | is for this that it was useful the little notification in the xfce panel | 10:54 |
brainwash | please ask in #ubuntu-desktop | 10:54 |
brainwash | we did not change the behavior | 10:55 |
amigamagic | ok, I will do that, thanks! | 10:55 |
zequence | How big of a deal is light-locker-settings? | 11:09 |
brainwash | it's the graphical settings dialog for light-locker | 11:10 |
brainwash | so it makes configuring light-locker user friendly | 11:11 |
knome | zequence, very recommendable. | 11:14 |
zequence | Ah, we don't even have light-locker, which I originally though | 11:52 |
zequence | At this point, I'm happy if I can keep my hands off any changes | 11:52 |
knome | yeah, i think l-l-s is dependency for l-l | 11:53 |
zequence | anyone here done a lot of testing on EFI? | 11:56 |
zequence | Got my hands on a machine not long ago. Installation of Ubuntu Studio worked fine, but today, i tried reinstalling on a virtual machine with an existing EFI install, and the installer froze when trying to load partitioning | 11:57 |
zequence | I need to do more testing, and try other flavors to make sure, but at least one other person is having trouble installing Ubuntu Studio on a EFI machine (a real one - macbook) | 11:58 |
knome | zequence, you could ask #ubuntu-quality | 11:59 |
jhenke | zequence: I am using xubuntu in uefi based VMs without problems | 12:38 |
jhenke | but yes uefi can be "special" in some ways, especially boot loader and partion handling | 12:39 |
jhenke | do you have an EFI partion on the VMs hard drive? | 12:39 |
jhenke | bbl | 14:01 |
elfy | knome: when you did upgrade tests did you see ibus in the upgraded install? | 15:05 |
elfy | I've failed the 2 upgrade tests I've done | 15:06 |
mzr | so elfy, are you trying to kill the zombie, or cure him? | 15:33 |
elfy | mzr: other than pointing that the issue is there nothing else has been discussed yet - timezones and work ... | 15:33 |
zequence | jhenke: The specific problem that arises is when trying to install onto an existing 14.04 installation | 15:33 |
zequence | jhenke: Have you tried that? | 15:33 |
jhenke | zequence yes, I removed the boot entry in uefi and ran the installer normally | 15:48 |
jhenke | here it worked | 15:48 |
jhenke | folks: the partion editor in the installer, does it mean real MB as in 10^6 or does it mean MiB as in 2^20? | 16:13 |
zequence | jhenke: Ok. Could be related to our kernel (linux-lowlatency) | 16:54 |
elfy | evening brainwash xnox | 17:14 |
brainwash | hey elfy | 17:47 |
elfy | brainwash: I'm failing all the image upgrades - they still have ibus on them | 17:57 |
elfy | on the bright side - I've had usb's of all sorts in and out here without any issue | 18:09 |
brainwash | elfy: oh, ibus is really pesky | 18:18 |
elfy | yep | 18:19 |
brainwash | the (auto)mount improvement is great, now we can hope for less complains about it not working properly :) | 18:19 |
elfy | I'm guessing that the 2 who did cli upgrades didn't miss ibus - but as it was knome and texadactyl I doubt it | 18:20 |
elfy | so it is ONLY image upgrades for some reason | 18:20 |
brainwash | ibus is not present on the iso | 18:20 |
brainwash | ah, ofc | 18:20 |
brainwash | it that a problem? | 18:21 |
brainwash | I assume it did or did not work for people using 13.10 | 18:22 |
brainwash | so they've already removed or configured it | 18:22 |
elfy | and 12.04 ... | 18:23 |
brainwash | same with xscreensaver | 18:23 |
brainwash | it just stays | 18:24 |
elfy | yea - thanks - I was so head into these tests I wasn't thinking that way | 18:24 |
elfy | however | 18:24 |
elfy | anyone who's not configured ibus and left it there because it was doing nothing - will find it now does and will need to be dealt with | 18:25 |
elfy | so - release notes - prior to upgrading remove ibus or deal with it afterwards would be my take on that | 18:25 |
brainwash | yes, we need a note | 18:26 |
jhenke | congratulations again to everybody involved for the 14.04 release, I just installed it on an old netbook, which had WinXP before, really nice and it runs much smoother than ever before :) | 18:27 |
brainwash | elfy: we should redirect the potential uproar to the ibus dev :) | 18:29 |
brainwash | jhenke: great to hear | 18:30 |
brainwash | now we only need to get fix all the light-locker related issues | 18:31 |
jhenke | brainwash yes, but the subjective impact from my point of view is lower than the ibus and idicator problems we had earlier :) | 18:34 |
knome | elfy, hmph, at least not in an obtrusive way... | 18:36 |
elfy | just checking an image upgrade with it purged | 18:38 |
elfy | going to be missing from meeting tonight | 18:38 |
knome | bleh | 18:38 |
elfy | info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 32bit - 10 tests | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 9 test | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 1 test | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 32bit - 2 tests | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 3 tests | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 64bit - 2 tests | 18:38 |
elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Ibus is still installing with image upgrades | 18:39 |
elfy | is what we have as of 30 minutes ago | 18:39 |
pleia2 | thanks elfy | 18:39 |
knome | "installing with image upgrades" ? | 18:39 |
elfy | there are 3 upgrades WITHOUT image as of when I checked | 18:41 |
slickymaster | hey guys | 18:41 |
elfy | back in about 60 minutes | 18:41 |
slickymaster | knome, did you get to poke pleia2 about the makerting stuff that needs to be finished? | 18:41 |
slickymaster | *marketing | 18:42 |
pleia2 | I'm working on the flyer today | 18:44 |
pleia2 | wikipedia thing will be postponed, updated blueprint for new g+ admin (ochosi was added) | 18:45 |
* pleia2 updates blueprint so only flyer things remain | 18:45 | |
Unit193 | Yey for G+. | 18:45 |
knome | pleia2, meh for wikipedia | 18:46 |
pleia2 | knome: well, over time it naturally evolved to be less bad :) | 18:49 |
slickymaster | besides bluesabre and his font size issue, did you have any other feedback on the tour page? | 18:50 |
knome | yeah, the history is still not at all complete | 18:50 |
pleia2 | slickymaster: I was at a conference all last week so I've had to declare backlog bankruptcy, what about the tour page? :) | 18:54 |
knome | pleia2, load it. | 18:54 |
pleia2 | pretty | 18:55 |
slickymaster | what about the content pleia2? | 18:58 |
knome | oi, meeting | 19:03 |
knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 19:03 |
meetingology | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 19:03:30 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:03 |
meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:03 |
knome | #topic Team updates | 19:03 |
knome | (running freeform) | 19:03 |
knome | #done knome, slickymaster and lderan updated the tour page | 19:07 |
slickymaster | \o/ docs blueprint is officially closed | 19:07 |
lderan | until alan can put my recent fix live for meetingology, don't use % in votes ;_; | 19:08 |
knome | %? :D | 19:09 |
lderan | it replaces some text with the link to the meeting output for the vote headings | 19:10 |
knome | aha... | 19:11 |
knome | anything else? | 19:13 |
knome | elfy posted some QA info just a while ago, pick numbers from there | 19:14 |
slickymaster | unfortunately, and because I'm on vacation, I wasn't able to make any tests | 19:15 |
slickymaster | sorry elfy | 19:15 |
* slickymaster hides quickly fearing elfy and his poking stick | 19:15 | |
knome | heh | 19:18 |
knome | #topic Other issues | 19:18 |
knome | anything else? | 19:18 |
slickymaster | volunteers call to help pleia2 with the flyer? | 19:19 |
knome | well i'll be here | 19:19 |
elfy | back | 19:20 |
knome | elfy, that's cheating, that was not 60 mins :P | 19:20 |
elfy | :) | 19:20 |
elfy | not failing this latest upgrade - just noting that I had to remove ibus before upgrading or I would have :) | 19:22 |
pleia2 | slickymaster: I think we're actually ok flyer-wise, I just need to comment on knome's latest comments | 19:25 |
knome | yep, and put in some new test | 19:25 |
knome | *text | 19:25 |
slickymaster | I'll be arounf after 23:00 and ready to try to help | 19:29 |
slickymaster | that's UTC | 19:29 |
knome | right, maybe we should close this meeting | 19:31 |
knome | when do we want the next one? | 19:31 |
elfy | May | 19:31 |
knome | cycle wrap-up, project future leadership, etc... | 19:31 |
elfy | next week perhaps - normal day | 19:32 |
knome | yeah... | 19:32 |
knome | #info Next meeting: Thu, 17 April at 19UTC | 19:33 |
knome | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 19:33:31 2014 UTC. | 19:33 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.moin.txt | 19:33 |
slickymaster | ok, dinner time for me | 19:33 |
pleia2 | enjoy | 19:34 |
slickymaster | bbl -> | 19:34 |
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elfy | knome: so release notes - I'll add something to them re ibus | 19:35 |
knome | yep, thanks | 19:36 |
elfy | so - the only issue I'm thinking of atm is power and odd lightdm things | 19:37 |
elfy | bug 1298237 | 19:38 |
ubottu | bug 1298237 in Ubuntu Kylin "Cannot login the system after upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298237 | 19:38 |
elfy | not only us - other people affected by lightdm issues | 19:38 |
knome | elfy, what about bug 1307929 ;)) | 19:39 |
ubottu | bug 1307929 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "light-locker crashes on every unlock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307929 | 19:39 |
elfy | that's light-locker not lightdm | 19:39 |
elfy | I'd love to be able to me too it - but it's not affecting me here | 19:40 |
=== mzr|away is now known as mzr | ||
knome | i'm sure it only affects a ver specific subset of setups | 19:41 |
elfy | yep - definitely not affected here - just did it twice | 19:44 |
elfy | knome: not sure of the moinmoin markup needed to make the ibus comment work :p | 19:55 |
elfy | kind of wants to be a sub-bullet of the exisiting ibus comment | 19:56 |
knome | heh | 19:56 |
elfy | ta :) | 19:57 |
elfy | 2 upgrade tests to do then I can't do anymore without repeating myself - gives me tomorrow to do some live session testing \o/ | 20:04 |
knome | nice | 20:05 |
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elfy | knome: so was that it - an extra space before the * ? | 20:08 |
jhenke | good night folks | 20:09 |
elfy | good night jhenke | 20:09 |
knome | elfy, yep... | 20:10 |
knome | " * item" for 1st leve | 20:11 |
knome | " * item" for 2nd level | 20:11 |
elfy | right | 20:13 |
Unit193 | Well crap, missed the meeting and now no scrollback of it. :/ | 20:46 |
elfy | http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.log.html | 20:46 |
knome | Unit193, very.. full of information, that meeting :P | 21:06 |
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