[00:00] ok, knome [00:00] yeppers. [00:00] I think we have the community stuff almost ready [00:00] hey bluesabre [00:01] hey knome [00:01] yep, only some text tweaks, but the content is there [00:01] hey bluesabre [00:01] anything I need to do? [00:01] hey slickymaster [00:01] let's add some photo from the community wallpaper contest + some nice text [00:01] * bluesabre is upgrading his desktop to trusty [00:01] bluesabre, i filed yet another menulibre bug [00:01] I saw that [00:01] or... "oh you!" [00:02] haha [00:02] that was really random. [00:02] it just flipped over on me. [00:02] anyway you could attach your .menu file? [00:02] *any way [00:02] i'll do that when i'm on wife's laptop next time [00:02] thanks [00:02] how do i make sure which menu file menulibre uses? [00:03] if you use xfce [00:03] that would be useful information somewhere [00:03] its xfce4-applications.menu [00:03] knome, some nice text? about the artwork? [00:03] yeah, I need to add a bug reporting guide to my docs [00:03] I would you could add bug reporting guidelines to launchpad [00:03] *wish [00:03] I suck at typing today [00:03] bluesabre, well since menulibre knows the exact file path, you could print that somewhere [00:03] (on request) [00:04] ah [00:04] I think it might [00:04] with -vv [00:04] aha [00:04] but maybe not [00:04] you could also make it a command line parameter to edit any file [00:04] yeah, but that would probably cause me more grief [00:05] i know it's a border case, but sounds trivial to do [00:05] really? [00:05] though its on my todo list [00:05] heh, okay [00:05] my blog is getting too popular it seems [00:05] every time I post something its like a DOS attack [00:05] "too popular" :P [00:05] have to restart the server [00:06] hahah [00:06] its not even a blog [00:06] its release notes [00:06] :( [00:06] have you got a cache plugin in place? [00:06] :( [00:06] I've tried [00:06] but those don't help [00:06] aha... [00:06] and created some interesting issues today [00:06] it cached the dead page [00:06] that was fun [00:06] hah [00:08] going to push my server to 14.04 when it becomes available to digital ocean [00:08] hopefully that will help [00:08] you know what'll help? use debian [00:08] * knome hides [00:08] I've considered it [00:08] :] [00:08] or centos [00:08] but rpm is just evil [00:09] * bluesabre also hides [00:09] I'm actually upgrading my server over vnc, so this will be more fun potentially [00:09] bluesabre: Can't just update it? [00:09] s/server/desktop [00:09] VNC?! :P [00:10] Use ssh? [00:10] too lazy [00:10] and can't count that as a test [00:11] Why not? [00:11] bluesabre, haven't heard too good things about centos, but no firsthand experience [00:11] have had to use it in the past [00:11] Unit193: not listed on the tracker [00:12] bluesabre: Upgrade tests. [00:12] no terminal upgrade test [00:12] bluesabre, don't tell anyone, but i reported one CLI upgrade test as well [00:12] :O [00:12] cheater! [00:12] yep [00:12] Or, err, if you need to use upgrade-manager, then you'll have to remove all of mine... [00:13] -qa lead will poke for that knome [00:13] +you [00:13] slickymaster: So I'll get multipoked. :P [00:13] Unit193, in both eyeeees! [00:13] huzzah :P [00:13] *prod!* [00:13] yeah Unit193, that will come your way, too [00:14] slickymaster: Only worse, I reported 4. :P [00:14] so will have to poke you in both eyes, twice [00:14] * slickymaster laughs really loud [00:14] or only once for the other if you count the lower... nevermind. [00:15] If something goes wrong in this upgrade, it will stop or something, won't it? That is, I don't have to physically sit here and watch the progress bar slowly increment / stuff zip past in terminal, right? [00:15] guest2152352, doesn't the testcase tell you to sit still with one finger in your nose? that's another testcase bug... [00:15] Bah [00:16] yeah, feel free to wander around [00:16] if that was a requirement, i would get more poking in the eyes [00:16] It's 6:15 and my stomach is rumbling. Just want to make sure it's not going to do any 'click here to not light your computer on fire in 5...4....3...' type shenanigans. :P [00:16] ah ah ah [00:16] knome, and no one would like that [00:17] guest2152352, hmm, it might... ;) [00:17] guest2152352: No, it'd just sit tight and wait for you to respond, or does with do-release-upgrade. [00:17] well it will ask something about libd6 IIRC guest2152352 [00:17] libc, genious. [00:17] guest2152352, i didn't get a countdown :P [00:17] Unit193, same with GUI [00:17] slickymaster, libc6 :P [00:17] slickymaster, and most probably xscreensaver/xlockmore [00:18] yes [00:18] and possibly at least one other configuration file [00:18] It had me stop the screensaver when it first started, but hasn't done anything since. But okeydoke, and thanks for the help so far, by the way. [00:18] Oh come on? No one bit the misspelling? :'( [00:18] Unit193, lol [00:18] yes for libc6 knome, not for the xscreensaver [00:19] it doesn't does nothing with it during the upgrade [00:19] you mean "doesn't do anything" :P [00:20] Unit193, let's poke XPL while he's still XPL [00:20] :P [00:20] hah [00:21] slickymaster, sounds good to me :P [00:21] I'm in [00:21] knome [00:21] poke [00:21] * knome considers writing a script that hides the quit+next join message if the quit message is "Changing host" [00:21] Changing host [00:22] bluesabre, quit message! [00:22] close enough [00:22] hah [00:22] /kick bluesabre Quit message [00:22] * bluesabre [~sean@is_awesome] has quit [Changing host] [00:23] lol [00:23] invalid host [00:23] bah [00:23] :P [00:23] slickymaster: Good plan. [00:24] wrong one starrats [00:24] haha [00:30] slickymaster, which one is better? [00:31] the former one is a bit verbose [00:31] somehow... [00:31] and kind of feels like it's circling around the issue [00:31] and repeating a bit [00:32] yes, I see that way too [00:32] default artwork, desktop looks, themes [00:32] you're right [00:33] i'd love if we could squeeze in a section or two [00:33] and more artwork [00:33] obviously... [00:34] well, there's the wallpaper to be added [00:34] mhm [00:34] thinking we could use just the mouse as well [00:35] without a question [00:35] thing is what about the other one? [00:35] i'm bored with desktop screenshots [00:35] other one what? :) [00:36] you lost me in a second. [00:36] the community wallpaper. which one where you thinking of using? [00:36] oh, no idea [00:36] throw a die? [00:36] :) [00:37] you'll end up with a voting within the -website team [00:37] as for make the desktop your own, I would only stick to your wallpaper [00:38] or the mouse? [00:38] that's the one I'm talking about [00:38] aren't they the same?! [00:38] i mean, just the mouse part [00:38] not the whole wallpaper [00:38] oh [00:39] yes, just the mouse part [00:39] yep [00:39] BTW, let me say it again [00:39] god damn fabulous wallpaper [00:39] hehe [00:39] ? [00:39] thanks thanks [00:41] butt, all and all I think we have the tour page more than stitched up [00:43] well, probably [00:44] let's leave it simmering for a bit [00:44] hmmm, that means that hyou're not happy with it [00:45] well as i said, maybe one or two sections more [00:45] and with those, some artwork or something [00:46] i think we could go with "balance" for the community wallpaper choice [00:46] that's colorful and works in a smaller size as well [00:46] what sections were you thinking of' [00:47] that's the problem... i don't know ;) [00:47] hardware support? [00:47] (with ubuntu core stuff maybe) [00:47] what is the balance one? I just remember ochosi's (the one with the rocks/pebbles) and one with a mountain [00:47] http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ [00:48] good catch knome, the hardware support is something to be addressed [00:49] that's the winner, right? [00:50] no, just alphabetically first :P [00:50] they are all winners [00:50] we didn't pick one "best" [00:56] hmm... [00:56] oh, don't know where I got that idea from [00:57] i'm thikning you're not thinking what i am thinking [00:57] apparently, most definitely not [00:58] what are you thinking? [00:59] see the pad :) [00:59] you wanted to be inclusive and not the other way around [01:00] well, we speak about "older machines" already [01:00] and lightweightness [01:00] now we want to expand to "plugin your device, it'll probably work" [01:00] not in the tour page [01:00] hmm? [01:00] Xubuntu is built around lightweight software with a lot of consideration on usability. Whether you have a high-end computer or even a moderately older machine, Xubuntu is able to provide you with a smooth and usable desktop experience. [01:01] well, that's a bit broader [01:03] but you were right I wasn't thinking what you were thinking :P [01:03] hehe [01:03] i think it's fair to give some credit to ubuntu as well [01:03] though i *am* thinking it would fit well in the existing section [01:05] okay, and TBH I think that having "A good balance" as first topic/section is quite a good choice [01:05] yes, seems to flow better now [01:05] it lands perfectly, because it manages to have a dual meaning, both as a begining and an end [01:06] yeah, i really like this flow now [01:06] i actually think we should land this now [01:06] and keep on improving if we find things to fix [01:06] I'm happy with it [01:06] of course [01:06] lderan, want to do a grammar check? [01:07] yup [01:07] bbiab [01:11] lderan, ping me when you are done and i'll get that up [01:12] i don't see anything else [01:12] oki [01:13] sheesh [01:13] bluesabre, wah? [01:13] I'm not sure what any of you are thinking most of the time [01:13] ? :D [01:13] :D [01:13] one more item to hold a check status in [01:13] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs [01:13] cheese at the moment [01:13] lderan, lol! [01:14] :) [01:14] lol [01:14] i litearlly laughed out loud [01:14] so did I [01:14] * knome laughs more imagining lderan thinking about cheese [01:14] reminds me of wallace and gromit [01:14] which i'm sure is on pleia2's highlight [01:15] that reminds that's it's 2:15 AM overe here [01:15] hah [01:15] time for a late snack [01:15] put +2 to that [01:15] :P [01:15] yeah, your timezone is a b%&$% [01:16] * slickymaster goes to the freezer to get himself some icecream [01:16] lol [01:23] yeah i get the same thing knome on the upgrade [01:24] lderan, mhm... [01:24] now i must sleep, thankfully working from home...today :P [01:24] good night all :) [01:24] good night, and good luck :) [01:27] slickymaster, some progress at http://xubuntu.org/tour/ [01:28] checking it now [01:29] I almost forgot the new layout [01:29] hehe [01:29] knome, you forgot your wallpaper in the make the desktop your own item [01:30] i didn't [01:30] i said "some progress" [01:30] ;) [01:30] another thing, is it the wordpress forcing the size of the font in the banner with the images [01:31] it's smaller [01:31] no [01:31] well, it's the "regular" font size [01:31] i think it's okay [01:31] try to make the browser narrower [01:31] just curious [01:31] will do [01:31] it works pretty well in the smallest size as well [01:31] hm hm [01:31] a bit of a breath at that point is good as well [01:31] imo [01:31] seeing it now [01:32] but we can improve that to the end of the world ;) [01:32] yeah agree [01:32] it's pretty good [01:32] it just lacks your 'mouse' [01:33] yep [01:33] working on it [01:34] hmmm.... [01:34] :P [01:36] need to work on the color [01:37] * slickymaster has to poke pleia2 about the fact that the portuguese link isn't listed in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/ section [01:39] slickymaster, paste me the links and i'll add it in a sec [01:41] good point knome [01:42] let me see if I can find them [01:42] http://spreadubuntu.org/pt-br/material/poster/portuguese-br-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4 [01:42] that's the pt-br [01:43] http://spreadubuntu.org/pt/material/poster/portuguese-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4 [01:43] there we go [01:44] doh [01:44] that's the blog article [01:44] slickymaster, http://xubuntu.org/products/ [01:44] http://spreadubuntu.org/files/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.png [01:44] http://spreadubuntu.org/files/huge/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.pdf [01:44] http://spreadubuntu.org/files/source/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.svg [01:45] so it's in another page [01:47] great [01:47] much better now knome [01:47] i updated the article [01:48] now it points equally to the products page [01:48] i'm not completely satisfied with the mouse color, but i'll look at it later [01:48] it's good enough for now [01:49] i like the work with the grades of pink [01:49] i'm also thinking one more thing [01:49] what? [01:49] rip off the mouse from the blue background [01:50] and put it in between the green/blue boxes a similar fashion as the wallpapers [01:50] and say something about xfce and the xubuntu logo [01:51] theoretically it has everything to work [01:51] visually I mean [01:51] it would give again more space to breath [01:51] we'll do that! [01:57] slickymaster, refresh [01:59] I like it [01:59] and it does opens the page [01:59] lol [01:59] the one on the top was not on purpose :D [01:59] (the mouse jumped at the page title!) [02:00] don't remove it though [02:00] i did [02:00] it was meh [02:00] didn't thought that [02:01] any way, really like the page [02:02] * knome pokes the mouse a bit more [02:02] its color? [02:02] hmm, trying to add a white "glow" under it [02:02] but don't seem to work very well :P [02:03] the background color isn't much of a help [02:03] getting a nice glow would involve manually adjusting the padding and stuff [02:04] won't go that route [02:04] lol [02:04] at least at this hour [02:04] mm [02:04] yeah, but i really like this too [02:04] I'm happy with it [02:04] it was a productive session [02:05] yep, and it concludes the -docs blueprint! [02:05] yes, that was the last item [02:05] last man standing [02:05] next is marketing [02:05] let's try to squeeze in a session with the flyer content some day [02:05] it's almost ready [02:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers [02:05] design-wise as well... [02:06] okay, I'll try to help [02:06] never had done much marketing stuff [02:06] well you did today ;) [02:06] but really, look at the wikipage [02:07] we pretty much only need to fill in that one gap on the middle of the page [02:07] the rest will autofill with copyright notices et al [02:07] and then rethink the frontpage [02:07] and that's it really [02:07] are you refrrinf to the Formats? [02:07] no, scroll down [02:07] *referring [02:08] there's an image [02:08] which is an export from a working copy [02:08] I see [02:08] and once we get the content ready.. i can pretty much directly export the PDF's [02:09] desing wise it's not pretty [02:09] really? [02:09] thanks! :P [02:09] you got to remember we are limiting ourself to home printers [02:09] don't take it like that [02:09] so can't make anything overlap or go too close to page border [02:09] and it will need to work in b&w [02:10] it's too conservative, that's what I meant [02:10] those two things limit what we can do, a lot [02:10] huh, you should have seen the working copy without the images :P [02:10] you see, I wasn't taking in considerations those factors [02:10] it used to be utter poop ;) [02:11] i believe you [02:11] now it's at least informative, and doesn't make you puke (at least immediately) [02:11] we can work on it tomorrow [02:11] if you're free [02:11] dunno, wife has a day off ;> [02:12] I was referring at night [02:12] yes... i said wife has a day off ;P [02:13] wednesday or thursday [02:13] heh, well [02:13] i'll be around for the meeting [02:13] i'll be home until next Monday [02:13] you remember we have a meeting, right? [02:13] yes [02:13] good [02:13] and I'll be able to make it [02:13] i'll be around at some time tomorrow [02:14] let's see how schedules work [02:14] and let's try to get pleia2 give us an opinion or two [02:14] ok, I'll be moderating the forums [02:14] who's clearly hiding! [02:15] she's under the same symptoms that Unit193's alter ego is showing [02:16] nah [02:16] this is her awake-time :P [02:16] :) [02:17] if I caught her off guard, I'll poke her [02:17] heh [02:18] hmm. [02:18] i still have something WIP [02:18] :D [02:18]