[00:00] <slickymaster> ok, knome 
[00:00] <knome> yeppers.
[00:00] <slickymaster> I think we have the community stuff almost ready
[00:00] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[00:01] <bluesabre> hey knome
[00:01] <knome> yep, only some text tweaks, but the content is there
[00:01] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre 
[00:01] <bluesabre> anything I need to do?
[00:01] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster
[00:01] <knome> let's add some photo from the community wallpaper contest + some nice text
[00:01]  * bluesabre is upgrading his desktop to trusty
[00:01] <knome> bluesabre, i filed yet another menulibre bug
[00:01] <bluesabre> I saw that
[00:01] <bluesabre> or... "oh you!"
[00:02] <knome> haha
[00:02] <knome> that was really random.
[00:02] <knome> it just flipped over on me.
[00:02] <bluesabre> anyway you could attach your .menu file?
[00:02] <bluesabre> *any way
[00:02] <knome> i'll do that when i'm on wife's laptop next time
[00:02] <bluesabre> thanks
[00:02] <knome> how do i make sure which menu file menulibre uses?
[00:03] <bluesabre> if you use xfce
[00:03] <knome> that would be useful information somewhere
[00:03] <bluesabre> its xfce4-applications.menu
[00:03] <slickymaster> knome, some nice text? about the artwork?
[00:03] <bluesabre> yeah, I need to add a bug reporting guide to my docs
[00:03] <bluesabre> I would you could add bug reporting guidelines to launchpad
[00:03] <bluesabre> *wish
[00:03] <bluesabre> I suck at typing today
[00:03] <knome> bluesabre, well since menulibre knows the exact file path, you could print that somewhere
[00:03] <knome> (on request)
[00:04] <bluesabre> ah
[00:04] <bluesabre> I think it might
[00:04] <bluesabre> with -vv
[00:04] <knome> aha
[00:04] <bluesabre> but maybe not
[00:04] <knome> you could also make it a command line parameter to edit any file
[00:04] <bluesabre> yeah, but that would probably cause me more grief
[00:05] <knome> i know it's a border case, but sounds trivial to do
[00:05] <knome> really?
[00:05] <bluesabre> though its on my todo list
[00:05] <knome> heh, okay
[00:05] <bluesabre> my blog is getting too popular it seems
[00:05] <bluesabre> every time I post something its like a DOS attack
[00:05] <knome> "too popular" :P
[00:05] <bluesabre> have to restart the server
[00:06] <knome> hahah
[00:06] <bluesabre> its not even a blog
[00:06] <bluesabre> its release notes
[00:06] <bluesabre> :(
[00:06] <knome> have you got a cache plugin in place?
[00:06] <lderan> :(
[00:06] <bluesabre> I've tried
[00:06] <bluesabre> but those don't help
[00:06] <knome> aha...
[00:06] <bluesabre> and created some interesting issues today
[00:06] <bluesabre> it cached the dead page
[00:06] <bluesabre> that was fun
[00:06] <knome> hah
[00:08] <bluesabre> going to push my server to 14.04 when it becomes available to digital ocean
[00:08] <bluesabre> hopefully that will help
[00:08] <knome> you know what'll help? use debian
[00:08]  * knome hides
[00:08] <bluesabre> I've considered it
[00:08] <bluesabre> :]
[00:08] <bluesabre> or centos
[00:08] <bluesabre> but rpm is just evil
[00:09]  * bluesabre also hides
[00:09] <bluesabre> I'm actually upgrading my server over vnc, so this will be more fun potentially
[00:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can't just update it?
[00:09] <bluesabre> s/server/desktop
[00:09] <Unit193> VNC?! :P
[00:10] <Unit193> Use ssh?
[00:10] <bluesabre> too lazy
[00:10] <bluesabre> and can't count that as a test
[00:11] <Unit193> Why not?
[00:11] <knome> bluesabre, haven't heard too good things about centos, but no firsthand experience
[00:11] <lderan> have had to use it in the past
[00:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: not listed on the tracker
[00:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Upgrade tests.
[00:12] <bluesabre> no terminal upgrade test
[00:12] <knome> bluesabre, don't tell anyone, but i reported one CLI upgrade test as well
[00:12] <bluesabre> :O
[00:12] <bluesabre> cheater!
[00:12] <knome> yep
[00:12] <Unit193> Or, err, if you need to use upgrade-manager, then you'll have to remove all of mine...
[00:13] <slickymaster> -qa lead will poke for that knome 
[00:13] <slickymaster> +you
[00:13] <Unit193> slickymaster: So I'll get multipoked. :P
[00:13] <knome> Unit193, in both eyeeees!
[00:13] <lderan> huzzah :P
[00:13] <knome>  *prod!*
[00:13] <slickymaster> yeah Unit193, that will come your way, too
[00:14] <Unit193> slickymaster: Only worse, I reported 4. :P
[00:14] <knome> so will have to poke you in both eyes, twice
[00:14]  * slickymaster laughs really loud
[00:14] <knome> or only once for the other if you count the lower... nevermind.
[00:15] <guest2152352> If something goes wrong in this upgrade, it will stop or something, won't it?  That is, I don't have to physically sit here and watch the progress bar slowly increment / stuff zip past in terminal, right?  
[00:15] <knome> guest2152352, doesn't the testcase tell you to sit still with one finger in your nose? that's another testcase bug...
[00:15] <guest2152352> Bah
[00:16] <knome> yeah, feel free to wander around
[00:16] <knome> if that was a requirement, i would get more poking in the eyes
[00:16] <guest2152352> It's 6:15 and my stomach is rumbling.  Just want to make sure it's not going to do any 'click here to not light your computer on fire in 5...4....3...' type shenanigans. :P
[00:16] <slickymaster> ah ah ah
[00:16] <lderan> knome, and no one would like that
[00:17] <knome> guest2152352, hmm, it might... ;)
[00:17] <Unit193> guest2152352: No, it'd just sit tight and wait for you to respond, or does with do-release-upgrade.
[00:17] <slickymaster> well it will ask something about libd6 IIRC guest2152352 
[00:17] <Unit193> libc, genious.
[00:17] <lderan> guest2152352, i didn't get a countdown :P
[00:17] <knome> Unit193, same with GUI
[00:17] <knome> slickymaster, libc6 :P
[00:17] <knome> slickymaster, and most probably xscreensaver/xlockmore
[00:18] <slickymaster> yes
[00:18] <knome> and possibly at least one other configuration file
[00:18] <guest2152352> It had me stop the screensaver when it first started, but hasn't done anything since.  But okeydoke, and thanks for the help so far, by the way.
[00:18] <Unit193> Oh come on?  No one bit the misspelling? :'(
[00:18] <knome> Unit193, lol
[00:18] <slickymaster> yes for libc6 knome, not for the xscreensaver
[00:19] <slickymaster> it doesn't does nothing with it during the upgrade
[00:19] <knome> you mean "doesn't do anything" :P
[00:20] <slickymaster> Unit193, let's poke XPL while he's still XPL
[00:20] <slickymaster> :P
[00:20] <knome> hah
[00:21] <lderan> slickymaster, sounds good to me :P
[00:21] <bluesabre> I'm in
[00:21] <bluesabre> knome
[00:21] <bluesabre> poke
[00:21]  * knome considers writing a script that hides the quit+next join message if the quit message is "Changing host"
[00:21] <bluesabre> Changing host
[00:22] <knome> bluesabre, quit message!
[00:22] <bluesabre> close enough
[00:22] <knome> hah
[00:22] <knome> /kick bluesabre Quit message
[00:22]  * bluesabre [~sean@is_awesome] has quit [Changing host]
[00:23] <knome> lol
[00:23] <knome> invalid host
[00:23] <bluesabre> bah
[00:23] <lderan> :P
[00:23] <Unit193> slickymaster: Good plan.
[00:24] <bluesabre> wrong one starrats
[00:24] <knome> haha
[00:30] <knome> slickymaster, which one is better?
[00:31] <knome> the former one is a bit verbose
[00:31] <knome> somehow...
[00:31] <knome> and kind of feels like it's circling around the issue
[00:31] <knome> and repeating a bit
[00:32] <slickymaster> yes, I see that way too
[00:32] <knome> default artwork, desktop looks, themes
[00:32] <slickymaster> you're right
[00:33] <knome> i'd love if we could squeeze in a section or two
[00:33] <knome> and more artwork
[00:33] <knome> obviously...
[00:34] <slickymaster> well, there's the wallpaper to be added
[00:34] <knome> mhm
[00:34] <knome> thinking we could use just the mouse as well
[00:35] <slickymaster> without a question
[00:35] <slickymaster> thing is what about the other one?
[00:35] <knome> i'm bored with desktop screenshots
[00:35] <knome> other one what? :)
[00:36] <knome> you lost me in a second.
[00:36] <slickymaster> the community wallpaper. which one where you thinking of using?
[00:36] <knome> oh, no idea
[00:36] <knome> throw a die?
[00:36] <knome> :)
[00:37] <slickymaster> you'll end up with a voting within the -website team
[00:37] <slickymaster> as for make the desktop your own, I would only stick to your wallpaper
[00:38] <knome> or the mouse?
[00:38] <slickymaster> that's the one I'm talking about
[00:38] <slickymaster> aren't they the same?!
[00:38] <knome> i mean, just the mouse part
[00:38] <knome> not the whole wallpaper
[00:38] <slickymaster> oh
[00:39] <slickymaster> yes, just the mouse part
[00:39] <knome> yep
[00:39] <slickymaster> BTW, let me say it again
[00:39] <slickymaster> god damn fabulous wallpaper
[00:39] <knome> hehe
[00:39] <guest2152352> ?
[00:39] <knome> thanks thanks
[00:41] <slickymaster> butt, all and all I think we have the tour page more than stitched up
[00:43] <knome> well, probably
[00:44] <knome> let's leave it simmering for a bit
[00:44] <slickymaster> hmmm, that means that hyou're not happy with it
[00:45] <knome> well as i said, maybe one or two sections more
[00:45] <knome> and with those, some artwork or something
[00:46] <knome> i think we could go with "balance" for the community wallpaper choice
[00:46] <knome> that's colorful and works in a smaller size as well
[00:46] <slickymaster> what sections were you thinking of'
[00:47] <knome> that's the problem... i don't know ;)
[00:47] <knome> hardware support?
[00:47] <knome> (with ubuntu core stuff maybe)
[00:47] <slickymaster> what is the balance one? I just remember ochosi's (the one with the rocks/pebbles) and one with a mountain
[00:47] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/
[00:48] <slickymaster> good catch knome, the hardware support is something to be addressed
[00:49] <slickymaster> that's the winner, right?
[00:50] <knome> no, just alphabetically first :P
[00:50] <knome> they are all winners
[00:50] <knome> we didn't pick one "best"
[00:56] <knome> hmm...
[00:56] <slickymaster> oh, don't know where I got that idea from
[00:57] <knome> i'm thikning you're not thinking what i am thinking
[00:57] <slickymaster> apparently, most definitely not
[00:58] <slickymaster> what are you thinking?
[00:59] <knome> see the pad :)
[00:59] <slickymaster> you wanted to be inclusive and not the other way around
[01:00] <knome> well, we speak about "older machines" already
[01:00] <knome> and lightweightness
[01:00] <knome> now we want to expand to "plugin your device, it'll probably work"
[01:00] <slickymaster> not in the tour page
[01:00] <knome> hmm?
[01:00] <knome> Xubuntu is built around lightweight software with a lot of consideration on usability. Whether you have a high-end computer or even a moderately older machine, Xubuntu is able to provide you with a smooth and usable desktop experience.
[01:01] <slickymaster> well, that's a bit broader
[01:03] <slickymaster> but you were right I wasn't thinking what you were thinking :P
[01:03] <knome> hehe
[01:03] <knome> i think it's fair to give some credit to ubuntu as well
[01:03] <knome> though i *am* thinking it would fit well in the existing section
[01:05] <slickymaster> okay, and TBH I think that having "A good balance" as first topic/section is quite a good choice
[01:05] <knome> yes, seems to flow better now
[01:05] <slickymaster> it lands perfectly, because it manages to have a dual meaning, both as a begining and an end
[01:06] <knome> yeah, i really like this flow now
[01:06] <knome> i actually think we should land this now
[01:06] <knome> and keep on improving if we find things to fix
[01:06] <slickymaster> I'm happy with it
[01:06] <slickymaster> of course
[01:06] <knome> lderan, want to do a grammar check?
[01:07] <lderan> yup
[01:07] <knome> bbiab
[01:11] <knome> lderan, ping me when you are done and i'll get that up
[01:12] <lderan> i don't see anything else
[01:12] <knome> oki
[01:13] <bluesabre> sheesh
[01:13] <knome> bluesabre, wah?
[01:13] <bluesabre> I'm not sure what any of you are thinking most of the time
[01:13] <knome> ? :D
[01:13] <bluesabre> :D
[01:13] <slickymaster> one more item to hold a check status in 
[01:13] <slickymaster> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs
[01:13] <lderan> cheese at the moment
[01:13] <knome> lderan, lol!
[01:14] <bluesabre> :)
[01:14] <slickymaster> lol
[01:14] <knome> i litearlly laughed out loud
[01:14] <slickymaster> so did I
[01:14]  * knome laughs more imagining lderan thinking about cheese
[01:14] <knome> reminds me of wallace and gromit
[01:14] <knome> which i'm sure is on pleia2's highlight
[01:15] <slickymaster> that reminds that's it's 2:15 AM overe here
[01:15] <knome> hah
[01:15] <slickymaster> time for a late snack
[01:15] <knome> put +2 to that
[01:15] <lderan> :P
[01:15] <slickymaster> yeah, your timezone is a b%&$%
[01:16]  * slickymaster goes to the freezer to get himself some icecream
[01:16] <knome> lol
[01:23] <lderan> yeah i get the same thing knome on the upgrade
[01:24] <knome> lderan, mhm...
[01:24] <lderan> now i must sleep, thankfully working from home...today :P
[01:24] <lderan> good night all :)
[01:24] <knome> good night, and good luck :)
[01:27] <knome> slickymaster, some progress at http://xubuntu.org/tour/
[01:28] <slickymaster> checking it now
[01:29] <slickymaster> I almost forgot the new layout
[01:29] <knome> hehe
[01:29] <slickymaster> knome, you forgot your wallpaper in the make the desktop your own item
[01:30] <knome> i didn't
[01:30] <knome> i said "some progress"
[01:30] <knome> ;)
[01:30] <slickymaster> another thing, is it the wordpress forcing the size of the font in the banner with the images
[01:31] <slickymaster> it's smaller
[01:31] <knome> no
[01:31] <knome> well, it's the "regular" font size
[01:31] <knome> i think it's okay
[01:31] <knome> try to make the browser narrower
[01:31] <slickymaster> just curious
[01:31] <slickymaster> will do
[01:31] <knome> it works pretty well in the smallest size as well
[01:31] <slickymaster> hm hm
[01:31] <knome> a bit of a breath at that point is good as well
[01:31] <knome> imo
[01:31] <slickymaster> seeing it now
[01:32] <knome> but we can improve that to the end of the world ;)
[01:32] <slickymaster> yeah agree
[01:32] <slickymaster> it's pretty good
[01:32] <slickymaster> it just lacks your 'mouse'
[01:33] <knome> yep
[01:33] <knome> working on it
[01:34] <knome> hmmm....
[01:34] <knome> :P
[01:36] <knome> need to work on the color
[01:37]  * slickymaster has to poke pleia2 about the fact that the portuguese link isn't listed in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/ section
[01:39] <knome> slickymaster, paste me the links and i'll add it in a sec
[01:41] <slickymaster> good point knome
[01:42] <slickymaster> let me see if I can find them
[01:42] <knome> http://spreadubuntu.org/pt-br/material/poster/portuguese-br-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4
[01:42] <knome> that's the pt-br
[01:43] <knome> http://spreadubuntu.org/pt/material/poster/portuguese-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4
[01:43] <knome> there we go
[01:44] <knome> doh
[01:44] <knome> that's the blog article
[01:44] <knome> slickymaster, http://xubuntu.org/products/
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.png
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/huge/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.pdf
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/source/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.svg
[01:45] <slickymaster> so it's in another page
[01:47] <slickymaster> great
[01:47] <slickymaster> much better now knome 
[01:47] <knome> i updated the article
[01:48] <knome> now it points equally to the products page
[01:48] <knome> i'm not completely satisfied with the mouse color, but i'll look at it later
[01:48] <knome> it's good enough for now
[01:49] <slickymaster> i like the work with the grades of pink
[01:49] <knome> i'm also thinking one more thing
[01:49] <slickymaster> what?
[01:49] <knome> rip off the mouse from the blue background
[01:50] <knome> and put it in between the green/blue boxes a similar fashion as the wallpapers
[01:50] <knome> and say something about xfce and the xubuntu logo
[01:51] <slickymaster> theoretically it has everything to work
[01:51] <slickymaster> visually I mean
[01:51] <knome> it would give again more space to breath
[01:51] <knome> we'll do that!
[01:57] <knome> slickymaster, refresh
[01:59] <slickymaster> I like it
[01:59] <slickymaster> and it does opens the page
[01:59] <knome> lol
[01:59] <knome> the one on the top was not on purpose :D
[01:59] <knome> (the mouse jumped at the page title!)
[02:00] <slickymaster> don't remove it though
[02:00] <knome> i did
[02:00] <knome> it was meh
[02:00] <slickymaster> didn't thought that
[02:01] <slickymaster> any way, really like the page
[02:02]  * knome pokes the mouse a bit more 
[02:02] <slickymaster> its color?
[02:02] <knome> hmm, trying to add a white "glow" under it
[02:02] <knome> but don't seem to work very well :P
[02:03] <slickymaster> the background color isn't much of a help
[02:03] <knome> getting a nice glow would involve manually adjusting the padding and stuff
[02:04] <knome> won't go that route
[02:04] <slickymaster> lol
[02:04] <slickymaster> at least at this hour
[02:04] <knome> mm
[02:04] <knome> yeah, but i really like this too
[02:04] <slickymaster> I'm happy with it
[02:04] <slickymaster> it was a productive session
[02:05] <knome> yep, and it concludes the -docs blueprint!
[02:05] <slickymaster> yes, that was the last item
[02:05] <slickymaster> last man standing
[02:05] <knome> next is marketing
[02:05] <knome> let's try to squeeze in a session with the flyer content some day
[02:05] <knome> it's almost ready
[02:05] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers
[02:05] <knome> design-wise as well...
[02:06] <slickymaster> okay, I'll try to help
[02:06] <slickymaster> never had done much marketing stuff
[02:06] <knome> well you did today ;)
[02:06] <knome> but really, look at the wikipage
[02:07] <knome> we pretty much only need to fill in that one gap on the middle of the page
[02:07] <knome> the rest will autofill with copyright notices et al
[02:07] <knome> and then rethink the frontpage
[02:07] <knome> and that's it really
[02:07] <slickymaster> are you refrrinf to the Formats?
[02:07] <knome> no, scroll down
[02:07] <slickymaster> *referring
[02:08] <knome> there's an image
[02:08] <knome> which is an export from a working copy
[02:08] <slickymaster> I see
[02:08] <knome> and once we get the content ready.. i can pretty much directly export the PDF's
[02:09] <slickymaster> desing wise it's not pretty
[02:09] <knome> really?
[02:09] <knome> thanks! :P
[02:09] <knome> you got to remember we are limiting ourself to home printers
[02:09] <slickymaster> don't take it like that
[02:09] <knome> so can't make anything overlap or go too close to page border
[02:09] <knome> and it will need to work in b&w
[02:10] <slickymaster> it's too conservative, that's what I meant
[02:10] <knome> those two things limit what we can do, a lot
[02:10] <knome> huh, you should have seen the working copy without the images :P
[02:10] <slickymaster> you see, I wasn't taking in considerations those factors
[02:10] <knome> it used to be utter poop ;)
[02:11] <slickymaster> i believe you
[02:11] <knome> now it's at least informative, and doesn't make you puke (at least immediately)
[02:11] <slickymaster> we can work on it tomorrow
[02:11] <slickymaster> if you're free
[02:11] <knome> dunno, wife has a day off ;>
[02:12] <slickymaster> I was referring at night
[02:12] <knome> yes... i said wife has a day off ;P
[02:13] <slickymaster> wednesday or thursday
[02:13] <knome> heh, well
[02:13] <knome> i'll be around for the meeting
[02:13] <slickymaster> i'll be home until next Monday
[02:13] <knome> you remember we have a meeting, right?
[02:13] <slickymaster> yes
[02:13] <knome> good
[02:13] <slickymaster> and I'll be able to make it
[02:13] <knome> i'll be around at some time tomorrow
[02:14] <knome> let's see how schedules work
[02:14] <knome> and let's try to get pleia2 give us an opinion or two
[02:14] <slickymaster> ok, I'll be moderating the forums
[02:14] <knome> who's clearly hiding!
[02:15] <slickymaster> she's under the same symptoms that Unit193's alter ego is showing
[02:16] <knome> nah
[02:16] <knome> this is her awake-time :P
[02:16] <slickymaster> :)
[02:17] <slickymaster> if I caught her off guard, I'll poke her
[02:17] <knome> heh
[02:18] <knome> hmm.
[02:18] <knome> i still have something WIP
[02:18] <knome> :D
[02:18] <knome> !12.10
[02:18] <knome> pfft
[02:19] <knome> !eol
[02:19] <knome> pfft
[02:19] <slickymaster> what are you chasing knome 
[02:19] <slickymaster> ?
[02:19] <knome> if 12.10 is already eol or not
[02:20] <knome> it must be one of these days
[02:20] <Unit193> No, 3 days.
[02:20] <slickymaster> yeaps
[02:20] <knome> Unit193, before or after release day?
[02:20] <knome> or on?
[02:20] <Unit193> Supposed to be after.
[02:20] <knome> aha
[02:20] <slickymaster> I think is to be after trusty release
[02:20] <Unit193> Upgrade path and all...
[02:20] <knome> can we dismiss that and take the docs for 12.10 down that day?
[02:21] <Unit193> I'd say so. :P
[02:21]  * slickymaster is no longer here
[02:21] <slickymaster> cy
[02:25] <bluesabre> ok, this should work more efficiently now
[02:25] <bluesabre> :)
[02:25] <knome> pleia2, i've prepared https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage for you <3
[02:25] <knome> bluesabre, did you take a look at http://xubuntu.org/tour/ ?
[02:26] <bluesabre> why is the font with the mouse and with the screenshots smaller?
[02:26] <knome> oh come on! :D
[02:26] <knome> it's the regular size
[02:26] <bluesabre> its inconsistent
[02:26] <knome> everything else is just bigger
[02:26] <knome> no.. it's lesser importance
[02:27] <bluesabre> eh, I think it would be better if it were the same
[02:27] <knome> eh, the time came and went ;)
[02:27] <bluesabre> but thats just me
[02:27] <knome> i've been thinkin abou that as well...
[02:27] <knome> and i keep coming back to the conclusion it's okay this way
[02:27] <knome> maybe the smaller text parts should be longer
[02:34] <bluesabre> >.>
[02:34] <Unit193> Yeah, I did that one.
[04:05] <pleia2> knome: cool
[07:11] <elfy> if anyone comes here wanting to know what we need testing - push them at upgrades if possible
[07:11] <elfy> I've got through a basic set of vbox tests this morning - will do some hardware ones later
[07:12] <elfy> not had time to do live session checks - so that's something people can do as well 
[07:12] <elfy> tracker is down atm though ... 
[07:41] <jhenke> goood morning guys
[07:54] <jhenke> great work everybody the iso from yesterday seems clean!
[08:15] <knome> elfy, will do
[08:19] <jhenke> found a minor bug, mostly just annoying, bug 1307897
[08:19] <knome> heh
[08:19] <knome> weird one
[08:20] <knome> hummm
[08:20] <jhenke> yes it is, but as I said just annoying as the LED is not corresponding to the state of the num pad anymore
[08:20] <knome> i locked, then unlocked, and now it says light-locker isn't running
[08:22] <jhenke> I guess light-locker still needs some polichment :)
[08:22] <knome> actually, i can't reproduce your bug
[08:22] <knome> for me, numlock+ĺed is turned off, and when i unlock, it's off
[08:22] <knome> no, wait
[08:22] <jhenke> knome: I was expecting it, but it is reproducebale on this PC
[08:22] <knome> when i unlock, the led is off but numlock is on
[08:22] <jhenke> ahh, yes that is what I mean
[08:22] <knome> but in light-locker, it works as expected
[08:23] <knome> hmph, now it worked again
[08:24] <knome> and now light-locker is not running again
[08:25] <brainwash> light-locker is causing some trouble due to the vt switch
[08:25] <knome> brainwash, is it normal that after you unlock, light-locker-command -l just says "** Message: light-locker is not running" :|
[08:26] <brainwash> did it crash? you can start it with "light-locker --debug" and watch what exactly happens
[08:26] <knome> yep
[08:28] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254054/
[08:28] <brainwash> oh :/
[08:30] <brainwash> so it crashes every time you start light-locker and lock the screen?
[08:30] <knome> yep...
[08:30] <brainwash> this is rather bad
[08:30] <jhenke> bbl
[08:30] <brainwash> not running in the background -> no locking anymore
[08:30] <knome> yep.
[08:32] <knome> can you follow me through how i'll get the backtrace for you or should i just file the bug without it?
[08:35] <brainwash> you could run it with gdb
[08:35] <brainwash> and file a bug report on https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues
[08:35] <knome> just 'gdb light-locker' ?
[08:36] <brainwash> yes
[08:36] <knome> what about the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE env var?
[08:36] <brainwash> do two runs
[08:36] <knome> hmm, running under gdb means no light-locker running
[08:36] <knome> will i have to run light-locker-command -l in a special way?
[08:37] <brainwash> did you actually start light-locker in gdb?
[08:37] <brainwash> with "run"
[08:37] <knome> no
[08:37] <knome> :P
[08:37] <knome> i told you you need to follow me through
[08:37] <brainwash> maybe you should read a tutorial about gdb first :D
[08:37] <knome> NAWWH!
[08:38] <brainwash> after it crashes you type "bt full"
[08:39] <brainwash> but I'm thinking, maybe it's related to the compositor, can you disable it and test again?
[08:39] <knome> can do that
[08:39] <knome> terminal went unresponsive
[08:40] <brainwash> mmh
[08:40] <knome> no, same without compositor
[08:40] <brainwash> maybe you really need to run GDK_SYNCHRONIZE=1 gdb light-locker
[08:40] <knome> guess it's ok to run from a TTY1?
[08:41] <brainwash> uhm no
[08:41] <knome> okay
[08:41] <brainwash> try with env var first
[08:42] <knome> still makes terminal unresponsive
[08:43] <knome> i can't type anything, i can close the windows though
[08:45] <brainwash> mmh
[08:45] <brainwash> is apport already deactivated?
[08:45] <knome> no
[08:45] <knome> or, i don't think it is
[08:46] <brainwash> maybe the crash does not trigger it
[08:46] <knome> mhm
[08:47] <brainwash> perhaps someone in #ubuntu-devel has an idea
[08:47] <knome> bah, i don't have *too* much time for this now :/
[08:48] <brainwash> and I don't have a clue how to handle this crash :/
[08:48] <brainwash> hopefully it won't affect many people
[08:48] <knome> yep
[08:48] <knome> i don't really *need* locking here
[08:48] <knome> i just wanted to reproduce jhenke's bug
[08:49] <knome> it might have something to do with the nvidia proprietary drivers and dual monitor setup...
[08:49] <brainwash> ah, but you should still file a bug report and mention which hardware and graphics driver you use
[08:49] <knome> i'll file that later
[08:49] <brainwash> ok :)
[08:50] <knome> actually, could do it now
[08:50] <knome> quickly...
[08:58] <knome> bug 1307929
[09:06] <amigamagic> I tried to do light-locker in a terminal and it doesn't happens nothing
[09:06] <amigamagic> I should do it with sudo ?
[09:08] <brainwash> no
[09:08] <brainwash> what do you expect to happen?
[09:08] <amigamagic> I should give some paramters to it?
[09:08] <brainwash> does it return to the prompt?
[09:09] <amigamagic> no
[09:09] <brainwash> so it's running
[09:09] <amigamagic> I have to press CTRL-C to return to the prompt
[09:09] <brainwash> so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[09:10] <brainwash> you want some debug output?
[09:11] <amigamagic> I was trying to reproduce the reported bug
[09:11] <brainwash> add --debug to the command
[09:11] <brainwash> light-locker --debug
[09:12] <amigamagic> ok... Exactly what should do this command?
[09:12] <brainwash> it starts light-locker in debug mode
[09:13] <brainwash> then you lock the session with "light-locker-command -l"
[09:13] <amigamagic> ah ok
[09:14] <amigamagic> it works
[09:14] <amigamagic> it goes to the lock screen
[09:15] <amigamagic> is it a problem that concerns only nvidia card users?
[09:16] <brainwash> maybe
[09:18] <amigamagic> btw, I have a very very slow thunar when it tries to resolve names of a windows share. I think the problem is related with my current ethernet drivers, because on a virtual machine it's not so slow. I mean: 4-5 minutes to browse a windows share I think is a little too much...
[09:18] <brainwash> only with thunar?
[09:19] <amigamagic> with nautilus is a little faster, but is always slow
[09:21] <amigamagic> natulus at least gives feedback to the user when it's trying to resolve host names (like a spinning icon, a info window, etc.). Thunar doesn't tell you nothing... It just leaves you with an unresponsive window until it has resolved the host names.
[09:21] <knome> amigamagic, this isn't the right channel to ask about that.
[09:22] <amigamagic> knome, being that I think it's more an ethernet driver problem, there is a channel where I could report this?
[09:23] <knome> to be honest, there probably is, but i really don't know
[09:23] <knome> it might be good to ask just #ubuntu first
[09:24] <amigamagic> ok, thanks
[09:29] <olbi> guys, we need two clocs in top right corner? :)
[09:30] <amigamagic> olbi, this will be solved in the final release
[09:30] <olbi> ok :-)
[09:30] <knome> olbi, did you install the latest daily?
[09:30] <olbi> yesterday or today?
[09:30] <knome> well either
[09:31] <olbi> I have from 14 april for now
[09:35] <brainwash> 14-Apr-2014 21:54
[09:36] <brainwash> only the 4 indicators which we want to ship are present on the iso
[09:50] <knome> bluesabre, humph, bug 1213837 in *live* session, really?
[09:50] <knome> i mean... who logs out of the live session?
[09:53] <zequence> I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the extra indicator things, which I only now realized may have been to do with ubuntu-control-center
[09:53] <zequence> (in Ubuntu Studio)
[09:54] <zequence> I have gnome power applet as well. Do you have that?
[09:54] <knome> yes, they were related to unity-*
[09:55] <knome> zequence, can't see the gnome power applet here
[09:55] <zequence> knome: So, making that depend into a recommend solved it for you guys?
[09:55] <zequence> knome: Did you have it before?
[09:55] <knome> i don't have the definite answer to that, probably not
[09:55] <knome> did you look at your germinate output?
[09:56] <zequence> No. Just trying to get a quick answer. I'll figure it out
[09:56] <slickymaster> morning guys
[09:56] <knome> hey slickymaster 
[09:56] <knome> zequence, sorry for not having one :)
[10:29] <amigamagic> hey guys, in trusty there is no more a notifier icon for update notifications?
[10:31] <amigamagic> I noticed that there is this bug still open and maybe it affects the 14.04 release too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364
[10:35] <starrats> I swear the other day I got a software updater popped up on the upper left hand corner for me to do an update on Truty Tahr 14.04
[10:38] <knome> amigamagic, "maybe"? please try to confirm it, don't expect others to
[10:40] <bluesabre> wow guys
[10:40] <bluesabre> yes, there is no update indicator
[10:40] <bluesabre> it went away in 13.10
[10:40] <amigamagic> knome, how can I check if I have update notifications?
[10:40] <amigamagic> until now I have not seen them
[10:40] <bluesabre> instead, the update window pops up when there are updates
[10:41] <amigamagic> bluesabre, so there should be only a popup window? Can I check if it works?
[10:41] <amigamagic> there is something like a simulated update so I could check if the windows pop-ups?
[10:42] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <bluesabre> from the terminal
[10:42] <bluesabre> after a while, if there are updates available, the window will pop up
[10:43] <amigamagic> ok thanks bluesabre, I will try it now
[10:43] <bluesabre> you can also manually check for updates from Settings -> Software Updater
[10:47] <starrats> if you do daily updates, like I do, then you wouldn't have to worry about the softweare updater, IMO
[10:48] <amigamagic> bluesabre, until now I have no updates windows
[10:48] <amigamagic> I've done a sudo apt-get update from some minutes
[10:48] <bluesabre> ok, when did you last update your system?
[10:49] <amigamagic> maybe 12 hours ago
[10:49] <amigamagic> about 12 hours ago
[10:49] <bluesabre> if you do sudo apt-get upgrade, are any updates listed?
[10:49] <amigamagic> yes there are
[10:50] <bluesabre> ok, there may be a minimum time.  It's worked consistently all throughout the development cycle
[10:50] <amigamagic> maybe I should try to create a new account and check if they shows up there?
[10:50] <amigamagic> I moved some things in the xfce panel
[10:51] <amigamagic> like the panel was up, and I moved it down
[10:51] <amigamagic> and I disabled the duplicated clock
[10:51] <bluesabre> you might want to check on #ubuntu -- the software-updater is one of their applications
[10:51] <bluesabre> I don't know the full details of it myself
[10:52] <bluesabre> or on #xubuntu, where there are more support people
[10:52] <amigamagic> ok, last thing: is the window a pop-up or is it a normal window?
[10:53] <amigamagic> because I have one monitor with two pc attached, so I cannot always see that screen... If the window is displayed and then it disappear after 10 seconds, probabily I will not see this notification...
[10:54] <amigamagic> is for this that it was useful the little notification in the xfce panel
[10:54] <brainwash> please ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <brainwash> we did not change the behavior
[10:55] <amigamagic> ok, I will do that, thanks!
[11:09] <zequence> How big of a deal is light-locker-settings?
[11:10] <brainwash> it's the graphical settings dialog for light-locker
[11:11] <brainwash> so it makes configuring light-locker user friendly
[11:14] <knome> zequence, very recommendable.
[11:52] <zequence> Ah, we don't even have light-locker, which I originally though
[11:52] <zequence> At this point, I'm happy if I can keep my hands off any changes
[11:53] <knome> yeah, i think l-l-s is dependency for l-l
[11:56] <zequence> anyone here done a lot of testing on EFI?
[11:57] <zequence> Got my hands on a machine not long ago. Installation of Ubuntu Studio worked fine, but today, i tried reinstalling on a virtual machine with an existing EFI install, and the installer froze when trying to load partitioning
[11:58] <zequence> I need to do more testing, and try other flavors to make sure, but at least one other person is having trouble installing Ubuntu Studio on a EFI machine (a real one - macbook)
[11:59] <knome> zequence, you could ask #ubuntu-quality
[12:38] <jhenke> zequence: I am using xubuntu in uefi based VMs without problems
[12:39] <jhenke> but yes uefi can be "special" in some ways, especially boot loader and partion handling
[12:39] <jhenke> do you have an EFI partion on the VMs hard drive?
[14:01] <jhenke> bbl
[15:05] <elfy> knome: when you did upgrade tests did you see ibus in the upgraded install?
[15:06] <elfy> I've failed the 2 upgrade tests I've done
[15:33] <mzr> so elfy, are you trying to kill the zombie, or cure him?
[15:33] <elfy> mzr: other than pointing that the issue is there nothing else has been discussed yet - timezones and work ... 
[15:33] <zequence> jhenke: The specific problem that arises is when trying to install onto an existing 14.04 installation
[15:33] <zequence> jhenke: Have you tried that?
[15:48] <jhenke> zequence yes, I removed the boot entry in uefi and ran the installer normally
[15:48] <jhenke> here it worked
[16:13] <jhenke> folks: the partion editor in the installer, does it mean real MB as in 10^6 or does it mean MiB as in 2^20?
[16:54] <zequence> jhenke: Ok. Could be related to our kernel (linux-lowlatency)
[17:14] <elfy> evening brainwash xnox 
[17:47] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[17:57] <elfy> brainwash: I'm failing all the image upgrades - they still have ibus on them
[18:09] <elfy> on the bright side - I've had usb's of all sorts in and out here without any issue
[18:18] <brainwash> elfy: oh, ibus is really pesky
[18:19] <elfy> yep
[18:19] <brainwash> the (auto)mount improvement is great, now we can hope for less complains about it not working properly :)
[18:20] <elfy> I'm guessing that the 2 who did cli upgrades didn't miss ibus - but as it was knome and texadactyl I doubt it
[18:20] <elfy> so it is ONLY image upgrades for some reason
[18:20] <brainwash> ibus is not present on the iso
[18:20] <brainwash> ah, ofc
[18:21] <brainwash> it that a problem?
[18:22] <brainwash> I assume it did or did not work for people using 13.10
[18:22] <brainwash> so they've already removed or configured it
[18:23] <elfy> and 12.04 ... 
[18:23] <brainwash> same with xscreensaver
[18:24] <brainwash> it just stays
[18:24] <elfy> yea - thanks - I was so head into these tests I wasn't thinking that way
[18:24] <elfy> however
[18:25] <elfy> anyone who's not configured ibus and left it there because it was doing nothing - will find it now does and will need to be dealt with
[18:25] <elfy> so - release notes - prior to upgrading remove ibus or deal with it afterwards would be my take on that
[18:26] <brainwash> yes, we need a note
[18:27] <jhenke> congratulations again to everybody involved for the 14.04 release, I just installed it on an old netbook, which had WinXP before, really nice and it runs much smoother than ever before :)
[18:29] <brainwash> elfy: we should redirect the potential uproar to the ibus dev :)
[18:30] <brainwash> jhenke: great to hear
[18:31] <brainwash> now we only need to get fix all the light-locker related issues
[18:34] <jhenke> brainwash yes, but the subjective impact from my point of view is lower than the ibus and idicator problems we had earlier :)
[18:36] <knome> elfy, hmph, at least not in an obtrusive way...
[18:38] <elfy> just checking an image upgrade with it purged
[18:38] <elfy> going to be missing from meeting tonight
[18:38] <knome> bleh
[18:38] <elfy> info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 32bit - 10 tests
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 9 test
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 1 test
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 32bit - 2 tests 
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 3 tests
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 64bit - 2 tests
[18:39] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Ibus is still installing with image upgrades
[18:39] <elfy> is what we have as of 30 minutes ago
[18:39] <pleia2> thanks elfy 
[18:39] <knome> "installing with image upgrades" ?
[18:41] <elfy> there are 3 upgrades WITHOUT image as of when I checked 
[18:41] <slickymaster> hey guys
[18:41] <elfy> back in about 60 minutes
[18:41] <slickymaster> knome, did you get to poke pleia2 about the makerting stuff that needs to be finished?
[18:42] <slickymaster> *marketing
[18:44] <pleia2> I'm working on the flyer today
[18:45] <pleia2> wikipedia thing will be postponed, updated blueprint for new g+ admin (ochosi was added)
[18:45]  * pleia2 updates blueprint so only flyer things remain
[18:45] <Unit193> Yey for G+.
[18:46] <knome> pleia2, meh for wikipedia
[18:49] <pleia2> knome: well, over time it naturally evolved to be less bad :)
[18:50] <slickymaster> besides bluesabre and his font size issue, did you have any other feedback on the tour page?
[18:50] <knome> yeah, the history is still not at all complete
[18:54] <pleia2> slickymaster: I was at a conference all last week so I've had to declare backlog bankruptcy, what about the tour page? :)
[18:54] <knome> pleia2, load it.
[18:55] <pleia2> pretty
[18:58] <slickymaster> what about the content pleia2?
[19:03] <knome> oi, meeting
[19:03] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[19:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 15 19:03:30 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:03] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:03] <knome> (running freeform)
[19:07] <knome> #done knome, slickymaster and lderan updated the tour page
[19:07] <slickymaster> \o/ docs blueprint is officially closed
[19:08] <lderan> until alan can put my recent fix live for meetingology, don't use % in votes ;_;
[19:09] <knome> %? :D
[19:10] <lderan> it replaces some text with the link to the meeting output for the vote headings
[19:11] <knome> aha...
[19:13] <knome> anything else?
[19:14] <knome> elfy posted some QA info just a while ago, pick numbers from there
[19:15] <slickymaster> unfortunately, and because I'm on vacation, I wasn't able to make any tests
[19:15] <slickymaster> sorry elfy
[19:15]  * slickymaster hides quickly fearing elfy and his poking stick
[19:18] <knome> heh
[19:18] <knome> #topic Other issues
[19:18] <knome> anything else?
[19:19] <slickymaster> volunteers call to help pleia2 with the flyer?
[19:19] <knome> well i'll be here
[19:20] <elfy> back
[19:20] <knome> elfy, that's cheating, that was not 60 mins :P
[19:20] <elfy> :)
[19:22] <elfy> not failing this latest upgrade - just noting that I had to remove ibus before upgrading or I would have :)
[19:25] <pleia2> slickymaster: I think we're actually ok flyer-wise, I just need to comment on knome's latest comments
[19:25] <knome> yep, and put in some new test
[19:25] <knome> *text
[19:29] <slickymaster> I'll be arounf after 23:00 and ready to try to help
[19:29] <slickymaster> that's UTC
[19:31] <knome> right, maybe we should close this meeting
[19:31] <knome> when do we want the next one?
[19:31] <elfy> May
[19:31] <knome> cycle wrap-up, project future leadership, etc...
[19:32] <elfy> next week perhaps - normal day 
[19:32] <knome> yeah...
[19:33] <knome> #info Next meeting: Thu, 17 April at 19UTC
[19:33] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 19:33:31 2014 UTC.  
[19:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.moin.txt
[19:33] <slickymaster> ok, dinner time for me
[19:34] <pleia2> enjoy
[19:34] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:35] <elfy> knome: so release notes - I'll add something to them re ibus
[19:36] <knome> yep, thanks
[19:37] <elfy> so - the only issue I'm thinking of atm is power and odd lightdm things
[19:38] <elfy> bug 1298237
[19:38] <elfy> not only us - other people affected by lightdm issues
[19:39] <knome> elfy, what about bug 1307929 ;))
[19:39] <elfy> that's light-locker not lightdm
[19:40] <elfy> I'd love to be able to me too it - but it's not affecting me here
[19:41] <knome> i'm sure it only affects a ver specific subset of setups
[19:44] <elfy> yep - definitely not affected here - just did it twice 
[19:55] <elfy> knome: not sure of the moinmoin markup needed to make the ibus comment work :p
[19:56] <elfy> kind of wants to be a sub-bullet of the exisiting ibus comment
[19:56] <knome> heh
[19:57] <elfy> ta :)
[20:04] <elfy> 2 upgrade tests to do then I can't do anymore without repeating myself - gives me tomorrow to do some live session testing \o/
[20:05] <knome> nice
[20:08] <elfy> knome: so was that it - an extra space before the * ?
[20:09] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:09] <elfy> good night jhenke 
[20:10] <knome> elfy, yep...
[20:11] <knome> " * item" for 1st leve
[20:11] <knome> "  * item" for 2nd level
[20:13] <elfy> right
[20:46] <Unit193> Well crap, missed the meeting and now no scrollback of it. :/
[20:46] <elfy> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.log.html
[21:06] <knome> Unit193, very.. full of information, that meeting :P