[01:34] <phillw> hi good people, would some one tell me why the debian installer has been respun, thus causing all server and lubuntu alt-images to be respun? cjwatson As and when you do get time, do give me a poke :)
[01:34] <phillw> I was just about to start out on the server alts.
[03:45] <purge> Having issues booting Ubuntu Via USB on my computer.  When I try to boot it runs the Ubuntu screen, but then it goes to  error message: (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system, please help :)
[09:17] <cjwatson> phillw: We needed to fix bug 1307983, which caused a respin of everything.
[09:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307983 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "System not localized after an OEM or offline installation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307983
[13:55] <phillw> cjwatson: okies :) I'll get back to testing :)
[14:01] <cjwatson> ... but there's another one coming because we didn't quite fix all the cases :-/
[14:03] <phillw> cjwatson: is that for dbian installer (alternate / server images) as well?
[14:04] <cjwatson> they contain binary packages from ubiquity, so yes
[14:04] <phillw> okies... I'll go do something else while I wait - Thanks for the heads up :)
[14:07] <phillw> cjwatson: if you're doing another respin of the world.. can someone cherry pick this low lying fruit... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307862
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307105 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1307862 Kernel install fails due PAE checks" [Low,Triaged]
[14:07] <cjwatson> Kernel changes take ages, no
[14:07] <phillw> it's the forcepae flag that is missing for the boot :) not the kernel :)
[14:07] <cjwatson> Well just put it after "--" on the installer command line
[14:08] <cjwatson> Then grub-installer will copy it to the target system
[14:08] <cjwatson> So the boot parameters should end with " -- forcepae"
[14:08] <phillw> I believe that is what they're doing. Just it was fixed in 'main' but not the low-latency one
[14:08] <cjwatson> This isn't something that needs to be done "in" the kernel
[14:09] <cjwatson> You can do it when you're booting the image
[14:09] <phillw> no major worries... it can be fixed later, just thought it was an easy edit to the grub for low-latency, as per what is in generic? But, as you know... pae flags and me are something of a ongoing nightmare :P
[14:10] <cjwatson> You don't understand
[14:10] <cjwatson> There is no "grub for low-latency"
[14:10] <cjwatson> And no special installer handling for forcepae
[14:10] <cjwatson> Nor does there need to be
[14:10] <cjwatson> I left a comment on bug 1307105
[14:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307105 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel install fails due PAE checks" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307105
[14:11] <cjwatson> Nothing needs to be fixed, the people doing the install just need to add the forcepae flag in a different place
[14:16] <phillw> can it be added to the generic release notes, rather than relying on each flavour to remember to flag it up?
[14:17] <cjwatson> It's a wiki, feel free
[14:17] <cjwatson> Presumably by linking to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[15:02] <phillw> many thanks.
[17:16] <pmatulis> how can i determine what udebs are available?  i want to re-read partition table with partprobe
[17:18] <cjwatson> look at the d-i Packages file
[17:19] <cjwatson> partprobe isn't available in udeb form though.  usually isn't needed since changes done in parted will automatically reread
[17:20] <pmatulis> alright, thx
[17:44] <phillw> cjwatson: I know the answer is "when they're ready", but any ETA of the respins? :)
[17:45] <cjwatson> dunno, they're running right now
[17:46] <phillw> kk, thanks
[17:47] <cjwatson> hopefully next cycle I'll get the livefs-in-Launchpad work done so that this can all go faster
[17:48] <phillw> in the past, the existing images would have a strike through so to let testers know to wait, this does not seem to be in effect this time. I'm not having a dig at anyone, but when testers have spent a couple or few hours doing tests, it is a kicking when a planned respin occurs with them not having been told to go do some thing useful like eat :P
[17:52] <cjwatson> doesn't look like I can do that in the UI any more in the case where the rebuilds have been done in bulk on the image master system rather than via the web UI
[17:53] <phillw> cjwatson: may be worth raising, just for in case we face this situation again...?
[17:55] <phillw> I'm sure such a function is not beyond the capabilities of the team :)
[17:56] <cjwatson> I asked Stéphane
[18:10] <cjwatson> phillw: OK, I was just confused by the text of the option having changed - they're disabled now
[18:22] <infinity> phillw: To be fair, telling testers to stop testing during a respin is still the wrong answer.
[18:23] <infinity> phillw: Tests don't magically all invalidate because a single package changed.
[18:23] <infinity> (Yes, the iso.qa results invalidate, but not all your local findings)
[18:27] <phillw> infinity: but if a respin is due in a couple of hours, then telling the testers to go eat.. take a break etc. is not too harmful. some testers are on very different time zones and would appreciate knowing that they can have food, take a nap etc. :) As I said to Colin, it is not a rant - just a suggestion as in the past ISO's were struck through when a respin was requested :)
[18:28] <phillw> it happens to be food time here.. so I'll be back to testing once the new ISO's are built :)
[20:06] <lborda> jwatson, is there a way to tell via preseed to not use precise-updates pocket? or in other words do not update the system ?
[20:07] <cjwatson> I'm about to get on a train but I'm pretty sure there are documented things for that in the installation guide
[20:08] <zooko> HEy I tried the new installer. It didn't have the FAT parse segfault, but there was a different problem or problems.
[20:13] <cjwatson> It's going to be too late to fix for anything before 14.04.1, just to warn you